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Beyond Politics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Queefer Sutherland on August 22, 2017, 06:56:45 pm
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Who's gonna watch?
Who's gonna win?
Give us your thoughts.
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I'm going to watch.
I will be rooting for McGregor even though I'm 99.99% sure Mayweather will win. Given their different backgrounds I think it'll be a spectacular match just to see how the two different styles will go against each other.
Mayweather is arrogant and overpaid and I'd love to see him lose to someone like McGregor, but I'm pretty certain he will retire undefeated and go down in boxing history as one of the greatest.
I was in kickboxing for years and I still follow a lot of boxing and UFC - this is one match I'm really excited about.
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This is a boxing match, correct?
Mayweather is one of the greatest boxers of all time, and McGregor isn't a boxer at all. This won't even be close.
If it was a mixed martial arts contest, I think McGregor would tear Mayweather to pieces, but it isn't.
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Yeah, but the fact that they have such different backgrounds might end up making for a really good match.
I agree though, Mayweather would not last 30 seconds in the ring if it was MMA.
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Yeah, but the fact that they have such different backgrounds might end up making for a really good match.
Yeah, they may be from different backgrounds, but the fight will be fought in Mayweather's discipline... and that's a huge advantage. None of the advantages of McGregor's MMA background will be of any use in a pure boxing match. I mean, a chess grandmaster and a checkers grandmaster have different backgrounds, but if it's a chess match you have to pick the chess grandmaster, no questions asked.
edit: I guess you have to say McGregor has "a puncher's chance", and McGregor is a spectacularly gifted puncher.
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Someone made a claymation version of the entire Connor McGregor vs Jose Aldo fight. Since the entire fight was just 13 seconds, doing it in stop-motion was entirely viable. Even though this is claymation, I think it accurately depicts McGregor's serpent-like speed and precision. Aldo throws a straight right, and before it even lands he's knocked unconscious by McGregor's left hook to the jaw. I think this is basically Connor's only chance. But Mayweather didn't go 49-0 by leaving his chin exposed like Aldo does here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIvrOZjF22Y
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McGregor started off a boxer and he has an unorthodox style which makes him a difficult opponent for traditional boxers.
Having said that, I don't think anyone, including McGregor, believes he's going to win. He's vastly the underdog and he's said it's more for fun.
Well, I'm sure the publicity and the reported $75 million payout has something to do with it.
Still, I'm looking forward to seeing how he'll do as a boxer against one of the greatest boxers that ever was.
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Yeah, I think I'd be willing to risk getting knocked out for $75 million. I actually really do hope McGregor wins, I just don't think he will.
I competed in judo for years and was extremely good at it. And I've been sparring regularly with a real boxer for almost 10 years. Plus beating up my rice bag to relieve stress since I was a teenager. I've actually thought about giving competitive MMA a try, although at my age I think it's best if I don't. UFC fighter Rory MacDonald is from Kim City, and I once bumped into a lady from his former dojo at a taco stand. She was driving the official vehicle, dressed head to toe in their gear, I think she might have been one of the instructors. I was tempted to deck her with the condiments tray and throw down with her, just to find out if I've got what it takes.
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Mayweather has never been knocked out. He's barely been hit by some of the most gifted boxers in history. This fight isn't even going to be close and I'm a much bigger MMA fan than a boxing fan.
The only way McGregor has a chance is if Mayweather doesn't take the fight seriously so his conditioning suffers and he gasses halfway through the fight. That's if McGregor can survive that long. In that situation, McGregor may have a punchers chance at flashing him, but it's going to take a god damn miracle. Last odds I saw had it Mayweather -500 McGregor +600. In other words, in other words a $500 bet gets you $100 for a Mayweather win or $3000 for a McGregor win. To say McGregor is the underdog is vastly understating how poor his odds are here.
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To say McGregor is the underdog is vastly understating how poor his odds are here.
You're preaching to the choir given that I said I'm certain Mayweather will win and I'm just watching for entertainment value of seeing an MMA fighter go against an conventional boxer.
But.... you'd be surprised with what some people think. There is a whole cult out there who believe Mayweather is only an undefeated champion because he 'ducks' legitimate fighters.
A friend of mine thinks McGregor has a chance. :D
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Mayweather is very fast, obviously a great defensive boxer. Like everyone, I expect him to win easily.
However, McGregor is also a gifted boxer with very powerful hands for his size. He's one of the best pound-for-pound UFC fighters and virtually all of his success & wins have come from his boxing skills. His kicking seems meh & inaccurate, and I've don't remember seeing him take anyone down, his ground-game is his weakness so he relies on his boxing with some wild kicks thrown in that often don't land. Doesn't mean he's technically anywhere close to Mayweather but Conor still stands a slim chance. He's a lefty & punches at awkward angles so that might give Floyd some trouble early on.
His only hope is obviously his 1-punch KO power. I mean Conor KO'd the #1 pound-for-pound champ Jose Aldo in 13-seconds...Aldo hadn't lost a fight in almost 10 years at that point & was still in his prime (but those were with the tiny 4-ounce MMA gloves). Mayweather recently agreed to fight the match with 8-ounce gloves instead of the originally agreed 10-ounces, so that favours Conor too.
Conor would have to get lucky & score a KO to win obviously. I'm most interested in seeing his strategy in how he approaches Floyd.
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McGregor does have a height, weight and reach advantage too. I just really don't think it's enough. MMA boxing is very different because you're more squared up, ready to guard kicks and takedowns. There's no question McGregor is talented but Mayweather is seriously one of the greatest boxers of all time.
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Yeah i agree MMA boxing is different. You also have to get used to the different footwork, different ring, different rules, the different clinching etc. I'm rooting for the underdog though, what a story that would be. Floyd is just too technical though, too smart.
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I just read that McGregor came up in boxing when he was younger before falling in over with MMA and had about 40 amateur boxing matches. Still doesn't compare to fighting an undefeated boxing champ though!
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Like they say, he has a puncher's chance. McGregor is no slouch.
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Why is this a thing ? Boxing was ruined and it should stay that way...
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Because McGregor wanted to **** off Dana White.
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i think it had everything to do with the money
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mayweather-mcgregor-fight-toronto-1.4263543?utm_content=buffer1ba54&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
'Not good for boxing.'
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Props to McGregor for taking this fight... despite the money, he has cajones for stepping in there.
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Boxing seems to me to be a sport desperate for attention.
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Props to McGregor for taking this fight... despite the money, he has cajones for stepping in there.
Well, he fights for a living. This time he got a $30 million payday out of it.
It sounds like he exceeded expectations, and even won the early rounds of the fight.
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Boxing seems to me to be a sport desperate for attention.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mayweather-mcgregor-fight-toronto-1.4263543?utm_content=buffer1ba54&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
'Not good for boxing.'
You know what's not good for boxing? Boxing. Boxing promoters did more to ruin boxing than anything UFC ever did.
One of the things that helps MMA gain popularity and build stars is that the top fighters actually fight each other. Most of the big name MMA fighters come to UFC, where they can earn the most money. And when they get there, they fight other top fighters. It's what builds interest. On the other hand, in boxing the promoters and managers aren't interested in building the sport, they're interested in building their own fighters until they can cash out. Here is "Kid Joe", who has built a 19-0 record by beating up chumps. Now that Kid Joe has an impressive-sounding record, maybe he can get a spot on a big fight card, where he'll fight some other promoter's Kid Joe who also compiled a 19-0 record by beating up chumps. It's all just a bunch of manufactured hype, and I think fans see through it. It took years to get a Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao fight negotiated, and that was a rarity because they actually fought. Sometimes they never fight. At UFC the top fighters have to fight other top fighters.
The article:
Boxing has seen a decline in fan support in recent years. Morrison says that's because the sport has no "brutal knockouts." He thinks UFC bouts draw more fans because the sport is bloodier and the fighters deliver more vicious blows to the head.
And then there's the actual in-ring product. Tony says people just want "brutal knockouts". I don't think Tony has actually watched much MMA, because for every "brutal knockout" there's several minutes of grappling or clinch-work that isn't exactly action-packed. I think one of the reasons people have lost interest in the boxing in-ring product is that it's first off very repetitive and predictable, and also that it's very artificial. By artificial I don't mean that the results are fake, I just mean that it's not really how people actually fight. Boxers throw punches at their opponents head and upper torso, and wrap up each others arms, and the referee comes over and separates them, and they do the same thing again. If somebody gets pushed into the ropes, the referee comes over and separates them, and they do the same thing again. If somebody gets stunned by a heavy shot, the referee will separate them and give the fighter a moment to recover so that he can go get punched in the head some more. Every time something actually happens in a boxing match, the referee comes in and separates the fighters. I find it incredibly tedious. Whereas in MMA, if the fighters wrap up each others' arms, or get pushed against the fence, or if somebody gets stung by a heavy punch, that's usually when things start to get more intense.
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And then there's the actual in-ring product. Tony says people just want "brutal knockouts". I don't think Tony has actually watched much MMA, because for every "brutal knockout" there's several minutes of grappling or clinch-work that isn't exactly action-packed. I think one of the reasons people have lost interest in the boxing in-ring product is that it's first off very repetitive and predictable, and also that it's very artificial. By artificial I don't mean that the results are fake, I just mean that it's not really how people actually fight. Boxers throw punches at their opponents head and upper torso, and wrap up each others arms, and the referee comes over and separates them, and they do the same thing again. If somebody gets pushed into the ropes, the referee comes over and separates them, and they do the same thing again. If somebody gets stunned by a heavy shot, the referee will separate them and give the fighter a moment to recover so that he can go get punched in the head some more. Every time something actually happens in a boxing match, the referee comes in and separates the fighters. I find it incredibly tedious. Whereas in MMA, if the fighters wrap up each others' arms, or get pushed against the fence, or if somebody gets stung by a heavy punch, that's usually when things start to get more intense.
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Different strokes for sure because both my friend and I watching the fight last night were saying the complete opposite. We prefer watching boxing to UFC because it's a lot more like a sport whereas MMA is more like a street fight. I went as far as saying the only time I lost interest in watching boxing was during the Mike Tyson era because it was just about brute force and knockouts. Watching Mayweather box is like watching a figure skater doing a really difficult move whereas watching MMA is like watching a great tackle in football.
Some of my most enjoyable boxers were the entertainers like Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammed Ali. There is so much strategy and endurance involved in boxing and it's not necessarily about strength, Mayweather being a perfect example. MMA is instinct and reaction which is commendable and entertaining but not nearly as much, to me, as boxing.
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About the fight....
I think McGregor did amazing, way better than I was expecting him to. I find a lot of criticism today about his style and leaving his face open and looking like a rookie, but I think that was expected, at least from me. I was totally expecting an unorthodox boxer against a career boxer, which is what I thought would be the biggest allure of the fight and I was not disappointed.
McGregor dominated the first few rounds and even though he's an amateur boxer he lasted 10 rounds with one of the best in boxing history and until the round before, he was tied in points. I went in thinking he's going to get his ass handed to him and until the 7th or 8th round I wasn't sure who is going to win. That in itself is a win in my eyes.
I started off hoping for an upset, but when it became a possibility, I started rooting for Mayweather. I think Mayweather deserved to have his career end as it did (if he really does retire this time).
Initially I thought the TKO was called a bit early because there were other instances where I thought McGregor was done but he kept coming back and so I thought maybe he could've recovered from the last one as well; but as they were saying at the end, he hadn't thrown a punch in about a minute, his arms were down and in retrospect I don't think he was coming back from it.
I had read an article criticising the Boxing Association for allowing the fight to even take place because McGregor could get really hurt so I think the ref made the right call stopping it when he did. In some ways it would remove any doubt for McGregor fans, but his health and the sanctity of the sport is more important. He really had lost at that point.
Mayweather was a true champ. He played his strategy beautifully. The guy really does deserve his ranking, he's one of the best boxers I've ever seen.
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Well, he fights for a living. This time he got a $30 million payday out of it.
It sounds like he exceeded expectations, and even won the early rounds of the fight.
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I think estimates from the gate have him making upwards of $100 Million now. Mayweather around $300 Million.
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MMA is more like a street fight.
MMA is absolutely nothing like a street fight.
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MMA is absolutely nothing like a street fight.
In the context of my response to kimmy, sure it is. She doesn't like all the rules and ref interference of boxing and I said boxing more like a sport.
There are only a few ways to hit your opponent and your stance is specified. Compare that to UFC where there are so few rules and you can hit and grapple as needed.
In context, MMA is more like a street fight than boxing. Absolutely.
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In the context of my response to kimmy, sure it is. She doesn't like all the rules and ref interference of boxing and I said boxing more like a sport.
There are only a few ways to hit your opponent and your stance is specified. Compare that to UFC where there are so few rules and you can hit and grapple as needed.
In context, MMA is more like a street fight than boxing. Absolutely.
Interesting. I've only been following this very casually, but I have a question. Was the recent fight by boxing rules or MMA rules? If the former, would the MMA fighter (McGregor?) have fared better or perhaps won if MMA rules had prevailed?
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Interesting. I've only been following this very casually, but I have a question. Was the recent fight by boxing rules or MMA rules? If the former, would the MMA fighter (McGregor?) have fared better or perhaps won if MMA rules had prevailed?
They boxed under boxing rules. Mayweather was actually retired but McGregor challenged him to a boxing match so Mayweather came out of retirement for one more fight.
McGregor would definitely win MMA style because Mayweather is a boxer.
McGregor made upward of $75 mil for this fight and he earned $22 mil in 2016 in his MMA career so it's easy to se why he'd challenge the highest paid boxer to come out for a fight.
High profile boxing matches are king earners compared to UFC.
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In the context of my response to kimmy, sure it is. She doesn't like all the rules and ref interference of boxing and I said boxing more like a sport.
There are only a few ways to hit your opponent and your stance is specified. Compare that to UFC where there are so few rules and you can hit and grapple as needed.
In context, MMA is more like a street fight than boxing. Absolutely.
But you can't hit and grapple as needed. There are a lot of rules around what you can and cannot do as far as hitting and grappling. You can't spike people on their heads when you take them down. You can't elbow in a downward motion. You can't kick the head of a downed opponent. You can't hit a competitor in the groin. You can't fishhook or gouge eyes. You can't pull hair. You can't grab the fence. You can't run away from your opponent. You can't Punch to the back of the head. You can't do joint locks on fingers.
I could go on and on.
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But you can't hit and grapple as needed. There are a lot of rules around what you can and cannot do as far as hitting and grappling. You can't spike people on their heads when you take them down. You can't elbow in a downward motion. You can't kick the head of a downed opponent. You can't hit a competitor in the groin. You can't fishhook or gouge eyes. You can't pull hair. You can't grab the fence. You can't run away from your opponent. You can't Punch to the back of the head. You can't do joint locks on fingers.
I could go on and on.
Again, you're misrepresenting what I'm saying. I'm not saying UFC is street-fighting, I'm saying it's more like street fighting than boxing is.
Sure, there are rules, but not nearly as much as boxing where you can ONLY hit your opponent above the belt and in the front and in no other form than close fisted punch.
You can't elbow, hammer-fist, grapple, kick, the gloves are smaller.
I don't know what it is lately with you and the straw-man arguments, but you are not disputing my point here.
UFC has less interference than boxing and a lot more is allowed, making it more like street-fighting when compared to boxing.
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My issue is you comparing UFC to street fighting. it's like saying the Liberals are more like fascist Italy than the NDP because the Liberals are further to the right. It's a silly comparison that makes he Liberals (and the UFC) seem like something they're not.
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By that logic, boxing is nothing like UFC and no comparison should have been made in the first place.
Again, my response was in context of kimmy saying she finds all the rules of boxing tedious when I made my comparison with boxing having lots of rules, street fighting having no rules and UFC being closer on the spectrum to street fighting than boxing is on the spectrum.
I've gotten into some silly debates on the internet but this one is starting to top it if I need to explain it any more times.
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Interesting. I've only been following this very casually, but I have a question. Was the recent fight by boxing rules or MMA rules? If the former, would the MMA fighter (McGregor?) have fared better or perhaps won if MMA rules had prevailed?
To add to what BCC said, it makes a huge difference that the fight was fought using boxing rules and not MMA rules. It's a completely different skill set. The special skills that make Mayweather one of the greatest boxers ever aren't very useful in an MMA fight. The punching is the same, but the defense is completely different.
You could stand right in front of a professional boxer and throw punches at him all night, and not hit him once. He could dodge or duck or deflect or block every punch you tried. It's an impressive skill. But it's all based on the idea that you're only allowed to hit your opponent's head and upper torso in boxing. The boxer doesn't have to worry about being kicked in the leg, or grabbed, or taken off his feet, because none of that is allowed in boxing.
Boxers and MMA fighters stand differently and move their feet differently. MMA fighters have to stand in a way that they are ready to defend against being kicked in the legs, or being grabbed by the legs and taken to the mat. Boxers stand in a way that promotes upper body mobility. They fight tall, with their hands high, and it doesn't matter if their legs are vulnerable, because their opponent can't attack their legs.
An MMA fighter will usually use a lower, wider stance and be ready to get their torso low if their opponent closes in, because they might need to defend against being taken to the mat, or conversely because they might want to grab their opponent's legs and attempt a takedown. If a boxer tried to use a traditional boxing stance and boxing footwork in an MMA fight he would be very vulnerable to being taken to the mat.
The finer points of boxing artistry-- head feints, ducking and weaving and all of that sort of thing-- don't really protect you if your opponent wraps your legs up and drives you against the fence. However, good boxing technique is still a big asset for an MMA fighter, because every MMA fight starts standing up, and if you don't know how to defend yourself against someone who can strike well, you can get knocked out. Some MMA fighters, like Chuck Liddell, had very successful careers by combining the ability to punch really well with the ability to defend against being taken off their feet.
Ex-boxing champ James Toney tried to fight ex-MMA champ Randy Couture in an MMA fight. Toney was confident he could just knock Couture out. Couture was much smaller and much older than Toney. In the opening seconds of the fight, Couture simply caught one of Toney's legs and yanked him off his feet, and Toney had no idea how to protect himself when he wasn't standing up. Randy easily manhandled him on the ground until he had Toney in a "sleeper" hold, and Toney went unconscious. The fight only lasted a couple of minutes and Toney didn't get to throw a single punch. If Toney did have a chance to land a punch he probably would have knocked Couture into retirement, or orbit, or both... but he simply wasn't able to stay on his feet long enough to do it.
One boxer who has had success in MMA is Holly Holm, who had a very successful boxing career before moving into MMA. But she was also a kick-boxer, and so she is very comfortable with using a variety of different footwork and striking techniques. As well she has trained very hard with MMA coaches to learn to protect herself against being taken off her feet, and she is extremely good at that. People remember that Holly beat Ronda Rousey using a kickboxing-style kick to the head, but she had actually beaten Ronda up for 2 straight rounds using mostly boxing, until Ronda was so tired and dazed that she was a sitting duck for the knock-out kick.
So boxing is a great tool for MMA fighters to have, but it can't be your only tool in MMA, or you end up looking like James Toney.
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Different strokes for sure because both my friend and I watching the fight last night were saying the complete opposite. We prefer watching boxing to UFC because it's a lot more like a sport whereas MMA is more like a street fight. I went as far as saying the only time I lost interest in watching boxing was during the Mike Tyson era because it was just about brute force and knockouts. Watching Mayweather box is like watching a figure skater doing a really difficult move whereas watching MMA is like watching a great tackle in football.
Some of my most enjoyable boxers were the entertainers like Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammed Ali. There is so much strategy and endurance involved in boxing and it's not necessarily about strength, Mayweather being a perfect example. MMA is instinct and reaction which is commendable and entertaining but not nearly as much, to me, as boxing.
I understand what you're saying, but I think you're really underselling the amount of skill and technique involved in MMA. The work that they do in clinches and especially when the fight goes to the mat is a chess match unlike just about anything else in sports. And because the fighters have so many options to adapt if the fight isn't going their way, I think it's actually much more strategic than boxing. Understanding your opponent's skillset and preparing for them and devising a gameplan to counter them is such a big part of MMA.
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I understand what you're saying, but I think you're really underselling the amount of skill and technique involved in MMA. The work that they do in clinches and especially when the fight goes to the mat is a chess match unlike just about anything else in sports. And because the fighters have so many options to adapt if the fight isn't going their way, I think it's actually much more strategic than boxing. Understanding your opponent's skillset and preparing for them and devising a gameplan to counter them is such a big part of MMA.
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That's fair, I won't dispute that there is a lot of strategy in MMA, but in the context of your original response about 'brutal knockouts' of UFC vs. boxing (as quoted from the link), I still think UFC is more brutal than boxing; and unlike you who finds the rules and interference of boxing tedious, that's exactly what I like about boxing.
Sure, Boxers get knocked out too but that's not the part I enjoy, which is what I was saying about the part I didn't like about the Mike Tyson era of boxing. When I was in kickboxing, I was the same, I preferred point sparring and didn't want to mess up my pretty face getting hit.
UFC, as you said, there is very little interference and as a result, the win often comes more viciously. You can have your opponent down and elbowing them, but the ref won't interfere until someone is about to get seriously hurt whereas in boxing it would never even get to that point.
Different strokes as I said, but personally although I enjoy watching both, I prefer boxing and for the very same reasons you dislike about boxing.
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In the context of my response to kimmy, sure it is. She doesn't like all the rules and ref interference of boxing and I said boxing more like a sport.
There are only a few ways to hit your opponent and your stance is specified. Compare that to UFC where there are so few rules and you can hit and grapple as needed.
In context, MMA is more like a street fight than boxing. Absolutely.
Well yes there's less rules than boxing in MMA, but MMA still has a lot of rules to prevent people from seriously or needlessly getting hurt like in a streetfight, so it's definitely a sport now. Watch the very first UFC if you want to a street fight. No gloves, no rounds, no time limit, kicks to the face while opponent on the ground, choking opponents with your clothing etc.
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I watched a couple previous Mayweather fights right before this fight. Floyd was much slower & less agile vs McGregor, you could tell father time was catching up. Floyd basically waited for Conor to punch himself out & get gassed then finished him. Mayweather is so efficient with his energy it's great to watch, he stays calm too so doesn't have his emotions expend extra energy either (like anger, excitement etc) or have an adrenaline dump.
Conor did well better than I thought, but Floyd was also moving slow & sloppy in the early rounds.
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Watch the very first UFC if you want to a street fight. No gloves, no rounds, no time limit, kicks to the face while opponent on the ground, choking opponents with your clothing etc.
I've been watching UFC since the very beginning.
They started with: "The only rule is there are no rules" (or something along those lines). Royce Gracie dominated for a long time and he was a legend.
No, I know UFC and I've followed the evolution. I still stand by what I said even though the context of how I said it seems to have gotten completely missed on this thread.
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MMA does have more blood, and occasionally some pretty gruesome injuries (like Frank Mir breaking Tim Sylvia's arm in half, or Anderson Silva's shin snapping like a twig against Chris Weidman...) And some of the knockouts are startling.
But in spite of all that, I think that boxing is actually more dangerous for the fighters. In the course of a fight the boxers take so many punches to the head, and I think the continual blows to the head are actually more dangerous than the "highlight reel" knockouts sometimes seen in MMA.
People think "oh, well they have those big padded gloves on, so the blows aren't as hard." But that's completely false. Brain injuries don't come from hard objects hitting the outside of your skull. Brain injuries come from your brain bouncing against the inside of your skull. And a fist in boxing gloves can make your brain bounce against the inside of your skull just as easily as a fist in little MMA gloves. Boxing gloves don't protect your opponent's brain... boxing gloves protect your knuckles.
And the other thing is how the sports handle fighters who are in trouble. In MMA, if a fighter is stunned, the referee stays back and allows the opponent to move in to finish the fight, and the referee stops it when the stunned fighter isn't able to defend himself anymore. In boxing if a fighter is stunned, the referee steps in, gives the dazed fighter a moment to recover, and sends him back to get stunned some more. This can happen several times in a fight. I think it's actually more dangerous to let the guy keep getting stunned and giving him time to recover so he can get hit some more. It's why sports like hockey and football have a "concussion protocol" so that players who get stunned by blows to the head have to leave the field for a while.
Letting the opponent "go in for the kill" in MMA might seem savage, but I think the boxing approach is actually more brutal on the injured fighter.
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I realize that people get hurt at various sport participation, but for the life of me I don't get how people can call an activity where the total focus is for two people to do nothing but injure each other and call it a sport. I guess maybe the types who find this **** interesting are drooling over the purses involved.
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One thing that really surprised me about the Mayweather-McGregor fight is how it captured the imagination of people who normally have zero interest in either boxing or MMA. I know several people who've never watched a fight in their lives who went to jam-packed sports bars to see the fight. Listening to them try to explain why the fight was important was a big deal was very interesting.
"Well, Floyd Mayweather is the boss of the boxers, and Conor McGregor is the boss of the UFCs, and so they are going to fight to find out who is the best so that all of the boxers and the UFCs will know who they should follow?"
Basically like listening to Laina explain football.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy9tWD0x-jQ
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I realize that people get hurt at various sport participation, but for the life of me I don't get how people can call an activity where the total focus is for two people to do nothing but injure each other and call it a sport. I guess maybe the types who find this **** interesting are drooling over the purses involved.
Congratulations, you win the Virtue-Signaling Post of the Day award! We're all suitably impressed by your moral fiber.
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Congratulations, you win the Virtue-Signaling Post of the Day award! We're all suitably impressed by your moral fiber.
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Thank You.
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I understand what you're saying, but I think you're really underselling the amount of skill and technique involved in MMA. The work that they do in clinches and especially when the fight goes to the mat is a chess match unlike just about anything else in sports.
There was a great example of this at UFC 215 in Edmonton yesterday.
Ashlee Evans-Smith is the #15 UFC bantamweight, a former college wrestler who trains full time. Sarah "Cheesecake" Moras is a Kim City mail carrier who hasn't fought in UFC for over 2 years, and needed to do a GoFundMe campaign to raise money for training expenses for yesterday's fight. Evans-Smith is very physically powerful, and Moras is.. uh, Cheesecake. So she was a pretty big underdog.
Evans-Smith put Moras on her back in the opening seconds of the fight and almost obtained a full mount, but Moras used octopus-like flexibility to wrap her up and prevent her from doing any damage, and then worked for a submission hold. Even though Moras spent the whole fight on her back she managed to get the win and break her opponent's arm as well.
It was neat listening to the crowd as the fight went on. The whole arena was cheering for Moras, as the hometown fighter. There was a noticeable buzz in the arena as people began to realize Sarah had Evans-Smith's arm trapped, and I think the crowd knew that Evans-Smith was in trouble before she herself realized it. And when she did secure the hold the building erupted. This is probably the best moment of her career:
https://streamable.com/atk7s
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Soooooo.... Conor McGregor apparently went FULL RETARD today.
McGregor was the UFC Lightweight Champion. However, since McGregor hasn't defended the title in a year and a half and shows no apparent interest in doing so, it was decided that this weekend's Khabib Nurmagomedov vs Max Holloway fight will crown a new UFC Lightweight champion.
That apparently didn't go over well with with Mr Notorious. McGregor and about 20 of his "associates" obtained access to the UFC 223 "media day" venue in New York City, and attacked a bus on which numerous UFC fighters were travelling. Objects, including a loading dolly and a security railing, were thrown at the bus, breaking windows. Fighter Ray Borg has been removed from the card due to an eye injury from broken glass. Michael Chiesa suffered cuts, but intends to fight anyway. Rose Namajunas, likewise, suffered "a scare" but will fight anyway.
One of McGregor's associates involved in the incident is fellow UFC fighter Artem Lobov, who was scheduled to fight at UFC 223. Lobov has been removed from the card as a result.
For the record, I think that if McGregor ever actually gets into the octagon against Khabib, he'll get ground and mashed into a mushy whiskey-and-potato flavored paste.
Conor... you never go FULL RETARD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q
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Khabib unimpressed by McGregor's fake gansta antics: "get on de bus!"
“I am laughing inside,” Nurmagomedov said. “You broke window? Why? Come inside. You know UFC don’t let you come inside. If you real gangster why don’t you come inside?
“This is big history gangster place. Brooklyn. You want to talk to me? Send me location. We have to talk? I am gonna come, no problem.
“I grew up like this. I don’t grow up throwing chairs at window. This is not my bus.”
https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/4/5/17204090/khabib-nurmagomedov-reacts-to-conor-mcgregors-bus-attack-i-am-laughing
Reminds me of a comedy bit with a white comedian talking about how he coped with living in a tough neighborhood: wear an Adidas track suit and use a fake Russian accent. "you think this is tough neighborhood?"
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He's now in custody on assault charges. There was a warrant out for his arrest, so his private jet was not allowed to leave the airport.