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Title: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: wilber on May 18, 2022, 08:27:36 pm
Will the party lurch farther to the right and hand the NDP the next election. Interesting times in Wild Rose Country..
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on May 18, 2022, 08:41:59 pm
Will the party lurch farther to the right and hand the NDP the next election. Interesting times in Wild Rose Country..

I don’t think there is any other path other than a “lurch to the right” for the UCP. 

Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Black Dog on May 19, 2022, 09:35:00 am
lol he was premier for less time than Notley was.

Very curious if the party actually stays united.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: eyeball on May 20, 2022, 01:16:29 am
I don’t think there is any other path other than a “lurch to the right” for the UCP.
Is there any other right wing party in the solar system that isn't lurching that way?

It isn't a place it's a direction.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: MH on May 20, 2022, 06:38:57 am
All parties are lurching that way.

Identity politics doesn't count, because those seem to generally move in one direction: more freedom, less prejudice etc.

But if you follow the money they are all going right.  In the 1970s the NDP used to campaign on nationalizing automobile manufacturers and the Liberals had a hard principle of universality of benefit programs.

The continued spoonfeeding of Canadian business seems to be predicated on the idea that if they can only make 10% profits and not 20% then they won't invest and will leave Canada.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: eyeball on May 20, 2022, 10:30:08 pm
Anyone remember that phrase it takes two wings to fly?

(He said while ducking to dodge a couple of shoes and boos)
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 21, 2022, 02:40:26 am
All parties are lurching that way.

Identity politics doesn't count, because those seem to generally move in one direction: more freedom, less prejudice etc.

But if you follow the money they are all going right.  In the 1970s the NDP used to campaign on nationalizing automobile manufacturers and the Liberals had a hard principle of universality of benefit programs.

The continued spoonfeeding of Canadian business seems to be predicated on the idea that if they can only make 10% profits and not 20% then they won't invest and will leave Canada.

Disagree.  The left is moving left, the right is moving right.  Compared to 20-30 years ago, the Liberals are moving to the left, as are Democrats since there's more socialism-supporting elected Democrats now (the squad etc).  The Liberals are creating socialized daycare, pharmacare, dental care, and have clearly moved to the left socially.  And yes identity politics counts.  Increased government policy pushing equity for disadvantaged groups is left-wing policy.  They still sellout to big money though so you have a point about that.

It seems that all parties moved rightwing economically starting in the Reagan/Thatcher 80's, so you're right about that, but the left is now going more left economically and socially, and the right is going right pretty hard socially.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: MH on May 21, 2022, 05:44:40 am
Maybe a turn has just started...
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Bubbermiley on May 21, 2022, 08:30:44 am
In the late 1960s in Manitoba, the NDP nationalized auto insurance. It has been outrageously successful, with a cheap, efficient system that nobody ever suggests getting rid of because it works so well. But there's no way they could implement such a change today.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 21, 2022, 09:32:13 am
Maybe a turn has just started...

Yes things have changed and polarized within the last 10 years.   To bubber's point, at least economically left policies were more widespread pre-Reagan and then neoliberalism came along.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Black Dog on June 03, 2022, 09:51:06 am
Disagree.  The left is moving left, the right is moving right.  Compared to 20-30 years ago, the Liberals are moving to the left, as are Democrats since there's more socialism-supporting elected Democrats now (the squad etc).

The fact that basically FDR New Deal Dems like the squad and Bernie are considered "socialism supporting" actually shows how far both parties have lurched to the right.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 24, 2022, 11:42:23 am
Rempel decides not to run because of the nastiness of many UCP MLAs.  She laments the state of the UCP as well as her own federal party. 

You can read her long diatribe here:
https://michellerempelgarner.substack.com/p/i-just-made-a-big-decision?sd=pf
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: MH on June 24, 2022, 12:47:02 pm
I read part of it.  I get it.  Politics is toxic and needs to be fixed.

So call it as it is - toxic - and walk away.

I have been trying to do that - trying - and when it works it feels good.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 24, 2022, 12:55:33 pm
I read part of it.  I get it.  Politics is toxic and needs to be fixed.

So call it as it is - toxic - and walk away.

I have been trying to do that - trying - and when it works it feels good.

No, you’re wrong.  Politics is not toxic.  Conservatives are toxic.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: MH on June 24, 2022, 12:57:37 pm
No, you’re wrong.  Politics is not toxic.  Conservatives are toxic.

Ok - well if you kill them all then you get rid of toxic politics AND toxic conservatives - PROBLEM SOLVED.

I guess that's what you're looking for ?

Because if not, we're back to "politics is toxic".
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Black Dog on June 24, 2022, 01:10:44 pm
I read part of it.  I get it.  Politics is toxic and needs to be fixed.

So call it as it is - toxic - and walk away.

I have been trying to do that - trying - and when it works it feels good.

If sensible people leave politics or don't get involved in the first place because of toxic politics, guess who will be left in politics?
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: MH on June 24, 2022, 01:18:18 pm
If sensible people leave politics or don't get involved in the first place because of toxic politics, guess who will be left in politics?

Nobody should leave politics except for the chucklefucks who want to make it into a reality show, an insult fest etc.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: MH on June 24, 2022, 01:19:38 pm
Come to think of it - we need to find and promote politicians that can be positive and personable.

Peter Pepper and Charest offer you a Nazi Nerd and a corpse respectively.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 24, 2022, 02:17:47 pm
Ok - well if you kill them all then you get rid of toxic politics AND toxic conservatives - PROBLEM SOLVED.

I guess that's what you're looking for ?

Because if not, we're back to "politics is toxic".

Yeah, I want to kill them all. 🙄

No, I want people to treat them like the irrelevant minority that they are.  And to call out their batshit crazy ideas.  Tuning out all politics gets you a tiny voter turnout and conservative influence that is way beyond their actual numbers, because they turn out. 
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: MH on June 24, 2022, 02:30:15 pm
1. Yeah, I want to kill them all. 🙄

2. No,

3. I want people to treat them like the irrelevant minority that they are.   And to call out their batshit crazy ideas. 

4. Tuning out all politics gets you a tiny voter turnout and conservative influence that is way beyond their actual numbers, because they turn out.
1. Good.  That's clear.
2. Whaaat ?
3. You're painting them all with the same brush.  Look I'm as Communist as the next guy but also conservative bc we do get some good ideas from them.
4. Only chucklefucks should tune out.  Everyone is given a chance to enter the space by showing their ability to discuss and respect others at the core.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 24, 2022, 02:50:23 pm
The fact that basically FDR New Deal Dems like the squad and Bernie are considered "socialism supporting" actually shows how far both parties have lurched to the right.

The Dems aren't calling themselves socialists, the GOP are, so that shows us nothing.  Except for the actual democratic socialists like Bernie who call themselves such.

The Democrats have essentially been a corporate centrist party for decades.  The Green New Deal is not centrist, a bunch of Dems are now at least in Liberal Party territory, if not NDP/Green Party territory.

Stop being ashamed of who you are and what you support and embrace it.  You should be happy the Dems are moving left ever-so-slowly.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 24, 2022, 02:55:28 pm
No, you’re wrong.  Politics is not toxic.  Conservatives are toxic.

Take a look in the mirror bro.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Black Dog on June 24, 2022, 03:00:36 pm
The Dems aren't calling themselves socialists, the GOP are, so that shows us nothing.  Except for the actual democratic socialists like Bernie who call themselves such.

The Democrats have essentially been a corporate centrist party for decades.  The Green New Deal is not centrist, a bunch of Dems are now at least in Liberal Party territory, if not NDP/Green Party territory.

Stop being ashamed of who you are and what you support and embrace it.  You should be happy the Dems are moving left ever-so-slowly.

You're out of your **** mind.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 24, 2022, 05:02:35 pm
You're out of your **** mind.

How so?
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Black Dog on June 24, 2022, 05:04:25 pm
How so?

The Dems aren't moving left. I have no idea where you would get that idea.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 24, 2022, 10:29:04 pm
The Dems aren't moving left. I have no idea where you would get that idea.

So you're saying there isn't more socialist- leaning Democrats compared to 20 years? Mmmkay.

Howz about the Green New Deal?  A black POTUS, female POTUS nominee, black female VP?  Cmon man.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on June 24, 2022, 10:52:24 pm
The Dems aren't moving left. I have no idea where you would get that idea.

Being black is left leaning?  You have no clue how stupid that sounds, do you?
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Black Dog on June 24, 2022, 11:29:43 pm
So you're saying there isn't more socialist- leaning Democrats compared to 20 years? Mmmkay.

Howz about the Green New Deal?  A black POTUS, female POTUS nominee, black female VP?  Cmon man.

Why are you talking about the green new deal like it’s an actual policy and pretending like skin colour is a proxy for political alignment? Porridge for brains over here.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 25, 2022, 12:06:13 am
Being black is left leaning?  You have no clue how stupid that sounds, do you?

Well it's progressive.  Name someone in the GOP who wasn't a white male who was elected POTUS.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 25, 2022, 12:08:35 am
Why are you talking about the green new deal like it’s an actual policy and pretending like skin colour is a proxy for political alignment? Porridge for brains over here.

Green New Deal was a set of policy proposals during the Trump admin.  It didn't come from the GOP.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Black Dog on June 25, 2022, 12:37:36 am
Well it's progressive.  Name someone who wasn't a white male who was elected POTUS.

You’re saying this as a Black person right?
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Black Dog on June 25, 2022, 11:08:52 am
Green New Deal was a set of policy proposals during the Trump admin.  It didn't come from the GOP.

And it hasn't passed even though the Dems have a trifecta. And as far as it being a radical proposal that indicates a leftward shift in the party, need I remind you of the original New Deal, the Civil Rights Act, Johnson's Great Society programs etc etc.
Title: Re: Kenny Resigns as Leader of UCP
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 15, 2022, 07:27:03 pm
So the idea of the front runner (?) in the UCP leadership is advocating for Alberta to ignore Canadian laws and the Constitution. 

Sure… what could go wrong there???

Quote
And it's not just critics who assert the Sovereignty Act would be unconstitutional. Some of the architects say the same thing. Rob Anderson, the former MLA and current campaign chair for Smith, has said Ottawa cannot make the Alberta government enforce decisions it does not like. "And what are they going to do? Maybe send in the army?"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/opinion-kenney-smith-alberta-sovereignty-act-bratt-1.6551739