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Title: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 11:13:12 am
This thread is dedicated to all things Elon Musk.  He's probably the most influential person in the world today.  He's a proponent of free speech, developer of electric vehicle technology, and a researcher and developer of space exploration.  All things that are significantly important to our society today.

More big news today!

Elon Musk secures US$46.5B for Twitter takeover bid

Elon Musk on Thursday said he has lined up US$46.5 billion in debt and equity financing to buy social network company Twitter Inc. and is considering taking his offer directly to shareholders, a filing with U.S. regulators showed.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8774846/elon-musk-tender-offer-twitter/
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 21, 2022, 12:13:07 pm
Self proclaimed socialist, ok.

People play this 'enemy of my enemy' game too much. 

Some things Musk does are great, some are amazing, some are stupid, some are horrible, some are dumb.

Are we really supposed to play FIGHT/F*CK/KILL with every single public persona now ?

I'm out.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 12:33:47 pm
Self proclaimed socialist, ok.

People play this 'enemy of my enemy' game too much. 

Some things Musk does are great, some are amazing, some are stupid, some are horrible, some are dumb.

Are we really supposed to play FIGHT/F*CK/KILL with every single public persona now ?

I'm out.
Nobody is saying that you need to do anything.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 21, 2022, 12:35:50 pm
It amazes me how many people think one person gaining complete control of a media outlet will protect their free speech. Like multi billionaires care about anyones free speech but their own. It's that kind of saviour mentality that has given birth to every dictator in history.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 12:36:24 pm
NASA enlists SpaceX and Amazon to help develop next-gen space communications
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/nasa-spacex-amazon-next-gen-space-communications-114045951.html

SpaceX's starlink system has kept the internet going during the war in Ukraine too.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 12:38:40 pm
It amazes me how many people think one person gaining complete control of a media outlet will protect their free speech. Like multi billionaires care about anyones free speech but their own. It's that kind of saviour mentality that has given birth to every dictator in history.
What amazes me is that it's ok for billionaires to currently own various media outlets, but Elon Musk buying Twitter is the last straw!  LOL.  Besides, Musk wants to make Twitter's algorithms public, and he wants less censorship.  I'm not sure how that's anything other than helping protect free speech and transparency.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on April 21, 2022, 12:54:54 pm
SpaceX's starlink system has kept the internet going during the war in Ukraine too.

caveat emptor!

(https://i.imgur.com/QTynekM.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 21, 2022, 01:24:49 pm
What amazes me is that it's ok for billionaires to currently own various media outlets, but Elon Musk buying Twitter is the last straw!  LOL.

The only people who think it's ok for billionaires to own the media are corporate cucks and sycophants like you.

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Besides, Musk wants to make Twitter's algorithms public, and he wants less censorship.  I'm not sure how that's anything other than helping protect free speech and transparency.

Yeah, Elon says a lot of things.

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March 2016: The Tesla Model 3 will cost $35,000
What he said: When Musk unveiled Tesla’s Model 3 sedan, he said the standard model would cost $35,000.

What happened: Tesla did briefly sell the Model 3 for that price in 2019, but the low price never played the role Musk suggested in making electric vehicles common. Then Tesla got rid of the $35,000 models entirely in 2020. Now Tesla lists the starting price of its rear-drive Standard Range Plus model at $46,990.

January 2017: Full self-driving Tesla cars ready in 6 months
What he said: Answering a question on Twitter about when “full self-driving” features would exceed “enhanced autopilot” features (like cruise control), Musk said: “3 months maybe, 6 months definitely.” That was five years ago.

What happened: In September 2021, Tesla began letting select owners request “full self-driving” software upgrades. Video from beta testers revealed deep flaws.


March 2017: Brain implants
What he said: Musk revealed that he founded a company called Neuralink to connect brains to computers. It would enable people with spinal cord injuries to walk or eventually permit human-to-human telepathy, he suggested. In 2019, Musk predicted the technology would be implanted in a human skull by 2020.

What happened: Neuralink has implanted chips in the brains of a monkey and a pig, and in December 2021, Musk tweeted that “progress will accelerate when we have devices in humans … next year.” But as of January, only two of the eight scientists Musk brought in to help him create Neuralink remain at the company.

July 2017: A tunnel will speed travel between New York and Washington
What he said: Musk founded the Boring Company to speed up digging tunnels that could be used for speedy transportation in busy urban corridors. “Just received verbal govt approval for The Boring Company to build an underground NY-Phil-Balt-DC Hyperloop. NY-DC in 29 mins,” Musk tweeted.

What happened: Today, the Hyperloop tunnel project between Washington and New York is no longer listed on the company’s website. The company demonstrated a California test tunnel in 2018 and opened a 1.7-mile tunnel at the Las Vegas Convention Center in April 2021.

November 2017: A Tesla Semi truck will arrive by 2019
What he said: Musk announced a large truck with an ambitious range of 500 miles and an even more ambitious production timeline of 2019.

What happened: Tesla has taken Semi orders and prototypes have been seen in testing, and Musk has now committed to delivering some in 2023.

July 2018: Musk offers a submarine to rescue soccer team trapped in a cave

What he said: When 12 soccer players trapped in a cave in Thailand made global headlines, Musk offered to help by developing a submarine to extract them. “Mini-sub arriving in about 17 hours. Hopefully useful. If not, perhaps it will be in a future situation,” he tweeted.

What happened: The boys were rescued by divers who carried them through the cave on stretchers and did not use Musk’s submarine. Some rescuers said the tech wasn’t practical.

April 2019: 1 million robotaxis on the road by 2020

What he said: “I feel very confident predicting autonomous robotaxis for Tesla next year,” Musk said in 2019 at an investor event. (He also warned: “Sometimes I am not on time, but I get it done.”) He also predicted that within two years, Tesla would be making cars with no pedals or steering wheels.

What happened: Tesla’s self-driving technology is still limited to tests with selected car owners, not autonomous taxis. In April 2022, Musk said that Tesla would build a vehicle dedicated for use as a robotaxi and that it will “look quite futuristic.”

November 2019: Tesla Cybertruck to begin production in 2021

What he said: Musk unveiled a futuristic electric pickup with a steel “exoskeleton” and sharp angles. Production was supposed to begin in late 2021 with a release date in 2022.

What happened: During a demonstration of the strength of the car’s new unbreakable windows, Musk asked one of the people onstage to try to break the glass — and it shattered. As of April, the Cybertruck’s release has been pushed to 2023.

May 2020: Tesla workers told it’s ok to stay home during covid-19
What he said: When Musk defied local covid-19 orders and reopened Tesla’s factory in Fremont, Calif., he told employees they could stay home. If “you feel uncomfortable coming back to work at this time, please do not feel obligated to do so,” he wrote in an email.

What happened: Several employees said they received termination notices for “failure to return to work” after they took unpaid leave to protect themselves.

April 2022: Tesla’s humanoid robot will be ready for production in 2023
What he said: In August 2021, Musk unveiled plans for a “friendly” humanoid robot called Optimus or Tesla Bot that could “navigate through a world built for humans and eliminate dangerous, repetitive and boring tasks.” In April, Musk said, “We have a shot of being in production for version one of Optimus hopefully next year.”

What happened: To date, Tesla has not shown a working prototype.

This doesn't include other whoppers like donating $6 billion to solve world hunger or his prediction that the US was headed toward “zero new cases” by the end of April 2020.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 21, 2022, 01:39:47 pm
What amazes me is that it's ok for billionaires to currently own various media outlets, but Elon Musk buying Twitter is the last straw!  LOL.  Besides, Musk wants to make Twitter's algorithms public, and he wants less censorship.  I'm not sure how that's anything other than helping protect free speech and transparency.

Who says it is OK. You **** about  things like globalization which puts more in the pockets of fewer yet you think giving oligarchs control over media will somehow make you freer. Musk will give you what Musk wants you to have.

All you guys are looking for a Messiah.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 01:56:52 pm
Who says it is OK. You **** about  things like globalization which puts more in the pockets of fewer yet you think giving oligarchs control over media will somehow make you freer. Musk will give you what Musk wants you to have.

All you guys are looking for a Messiah.
Nope, just looking for more fairness and transparency.  Nobody said anything about a Messiah.  It's hilarious that this billionaire owning Twitter is THE END OF THE WORLD, but it's ok for other billionaires to own other media outlets.  Nobody says anything like what's being said about Musk buying Twitter.  Jeff Bezos can buy the Washington Post and nobody says bubkis about it.  You're all hypocrites.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 21, 2022, 02:03:06 pm
Nope, just looking for more fairness and transparency.  Nobody said anything about a Messiah.  It's hilarious that this billionaire owning Twitter is THE END OF THE WORLD, but it's ok for other billionaires to own other media outlets.  Nobody says anything like what's being said about Musk buying Twitter.  Jeff Bezos can buy the Washington Post and nobody says bubkis about it.  You're all hypocrites.

See @wilber, you cannot argue with someone who lives in a completely alternate reality where concentration of the media into the hands of a few billionaires was never an issue before Musk wanted to buy Twitter and not something that's been discussed for years before Bezos even sold his first book.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 02:11:39 pm
See @wilber, you cannot argue with someone who lives in a completely alternate reality where concentration of the media into the hands of a few billionaires was never an issue before Musk wanted to buy Twitter and not something that's been discussed for years before Bezos even sold his first book.
Who said it was never an issue?  It was certainly never an issue with you, because you haven't said a word about it until now.  Now you're all triggered by Elon Musk.  Just because he wants to buy Twitter, make the algorithms public, and not censor people as much.  THE HORROR!  LOL!  Fack off.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 21, 2022, 02:13:49 pm
Who said it was never an issue? 

You did, retard.

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It was certainly never an issue with you, because you haven't said a word about it until now.  Now you're all triggered by Elon Musk.  Just because he wants to buy Twitter, make the algorithms public, and not censor people as much.  THE HORROR!  LOL!  Fack off.

Ah so when you say that there are people who is that it's ok for billionaires to currently own various media outlets, but for whom Elon Musk buying Twitter is the last straw, you mean me specifically? Hooo-wee you're obsessed.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 02:23:26 pm
You did, retard.

Ah so when you say that there are people who is that it's ok for billionaires to currently own various media outlets, but for whom Elon Musk buying Twitter is the last straw, you mean me specifically? Hooo-wee you're obsessed.
You're a lost cause.  I've already explained why I think it's a good thing that Elon Musk might buy Twitter.  See censorship and algorithms. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 21, 2022, 02:28:23 pm
You're a lost cause.  I've already explained why I think it's a good thing that Elon Musk might buy Twitter. See censorship and algorithms.

Yeah: you're a gullible idiot who believes this snake oil salesman cares about free speech.

Musk, Dorsey, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Theil, all these guys and their ilk should be taxed into oblivion, their wealth redistributed and, ideally, forced to beg on the street like dogs.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 02:48:51 pm
Yeah: you're a gullible idiot who believes this snake oil salesman cares about free speech.

Musk, Dorsey, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Theil, all these guys and their ilk should be taxed into oblivion, their wealth redistributed and, ideally, forced to beg on the street like dogs.
Get professional help.  Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 21, 2022, 02:51:16 pm
Nope, just looking for more fairness and transparency.  Nobody said anything about a Messiah.  It's hilarious that this billionaire owning Twitter is THE END OF THE WORLD, but it's ok for other billionaires to own other media outlets.  Nobody says anything like what's being said about Musk buying Twitter.  Jeff Bezos can buy the Washington Post and nobody says bubkis about it.  You're all hypocrites.

Every dictator in history got the job because they convinced enough people they were a Messiah. Who said it's OK for other billionaires to own media outlets outright. Rupert Murdoch is a poster boy for what is wrong with that. I don't think billionaires owning big media outlets is a good thing but you seem to think it is. Bezos bad, Musk good. What could lead you to that conclusion other than Musk is telling you what you want to hear?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 03:06:01 pm
Every dictator in history got the job because they convinced enough people they were a Messiah. Who said it's OK for other billionaires to own media outlets outright. Rupert Murdoch is a poster boy for what is wrong with that. I don't think billionaires owning big media outlets is a good thing but you seem to think it is. Bezos bad, Musk good. What could lead you to that conclusion other than Musk is telling you what you want to hear?
No, that's completely incorrect.  Like I've already said, your Messiah talk in nonsensical.  I certainly don't think he's some kind of Messiah.  Again, you're incorrect, nobody said much at all about billionaires owning media until Musk sought to buy Twitter.  Then all of a sudden it became an issue.  What was nice about the internet is that it gave everyday people a voice separate from the billionaire media owners.  Musk is looking to restore a bit of that balance by lessening censorship and making algorithms public.  I'm not sure why that bothers you so much.  That point of view is also nonsensical. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 03:09:02 pm
Anyways, on to real substance.  I’ve had enough of you hypocrite complainers.
People having to tweet not hiding behind a fake identity would definitely cut down on the abuse that’s currently rampant on Twitter.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 21, 2022, 03:11:42 pm
No, that's completely incorrect.  Like I've already said, your Messiah talk in nonsensical. I certainly don't think he's some kind of Messiah.

This thread is dedicated to all things Elon Musk.  He's probably the most influential person in the world today.  He's a proponent of free speech, developer of electric vehicle technology, and a researcher and developer of space exploration.  All things that are significantly important to our society today.

If you rode his dick any harder you'd be his next ex-wife lmao.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 03:17:50 pm
If you rode his dick any harder you'd be his next ex-wife lmao.
All insults, no substance.  Any take on removing bots and/or accounts using real names?  Or is it just gonna be reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee all the time now?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 21, 2022, 03:20:22 pm
All insults, no substance.  Any take on removing bots and/or accounts using real names? Or is it just gonna be reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee all the time now?

Your self-awareness is on par with your reading comprehension skills which is to say non-existent.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 21, 2022, 05:50:46 pm
Anyways, on to real substance.  I’ve had enough of you hypocrite complainers.
People having to tweet not hiding behind a fake identity would definitely cut down on the abuse that’s currently rampant on Twitter.

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Its not a bad idea.  Not sure how you confirm a real identity though.  Also it sounds kinda like FB.  The reason twitter is fun is because I can mouth off and nobody knows who i am, just like here.  I don't post political opinions on FB because even many of my friends and family are too weak and sensitive for my truth-bombs.

The left should hope his bid goes through and he does this to twitter because everyone but complete idiots will be afraid to say what they really think because anyone who does that today is cancelled because they aren't PC.  Political correctness can suck my big ****!ng d!ck.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 21, 2022, 05:54:29 pm
Every dictator in history got the job because they convinced enough people they were a Messiah. Who said it's OK for other billionaires to own media outlets outright. Rupert Murdoch is a poster boy for what is wrong with that. I don't think billionaires owning big media outlets is a good thing but you seem to think it is. Bezos bad, Musk good. What could lead you to that conclusion other than Musk is telling you what you want to hear?

You make a good point.  Its much better for the Vanguard indexing fund company to hold the most twitter stock.  It means its basically owned by anybody with an RRSP or 401k.  Twitter might turn into another mouthpiece mainstream media outlet like all the rest with a clear political bias.  Now social media platforms are going to be known as leaning right or left too?  Its so dumb.

Also, twitter sucks.  I haven't posted on twitter in over a year.  It was fun but I got suspended for offending some snowflake and to unlock my suspension i had to give them my phone number so i told them to suck my pen!s.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 21, 2022, 05:55:49 pm
All these losers who convinces Musk he's so smart are the real losers here.  Dude owns an EV company thats barely made any m0ney.  He is a smart dude, most engineers are, but he's not this amazing business man.  He seems like a bit of an arse.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 21, 2022, 08:00:32 pm
 I just don't know what Kool Aid some people are drinking that makes them think Musk will be the saviour of free speech. He is noted for and treads a fine line between business and stock manipulation in the past. He is a smart guy but a manipulator and I don't understand why so many are putting blind trust in this guy. When it comes to dumb tweets, Elon is right up there himself.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 21, 2022, 08:06:59 pm
Private ownership of social media is a scourge.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 08:41:32 pm
Private ownership of social media is a scourge.
I somewhat agree.  Social media is seen by some as almost a type of public utility, and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 08:45:45 pm
All these losers who convinces Musk he's so smart are the real losers here.  Dude owns an EV company thats barely made any m0ney.  He is a smart dude, most engineers are, but he's not this amazing business man.  He seems like a bit of an arse.
It does better than that.  But the real value is in their research and development of battery technology.  Also, you seem to be downplaying what SpaceX has achieved.  But yes, Elon Musk is a bit eccentric at times, but most billionaires etc are.  So are professional athletes, movie stars etc.  It doesn’t diminish what he’s continuing to accomplish.  He’s also kept the internet up and running for Ukraine during the Russian invasion.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 08:49:45 pm
I just don't know what Kool Aid some people are drinking that makes them think Musk will be the saviour of free speech. He is noted for and treads a fine line between business and stock manipulation in the past. He is a smart guy but a manipulator and I don't understand why so many are putting blind trust in this guy. When it comes to dumb tweets, Elon is right up there himself.
It’s not about Kool Aid.  But if he does what he says he’s going to do, Twitter will be a much freer place.  I still don’t know what you have against algorithms made public.  Isn’t more transparency better?  But if you really want to get into a discussion of Kool Aid, look no further than the Trudeau cult.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on April 22, 2022, 03:09:06 am
I think Musk has been the single most important individual in transforming electric vehicles from a niche product for dweebs into a mainstream commercially viable enterprise that will largely replace internal combustion vehicles within our lifetimes.  That's a very significant achievement regardless of whether you like his politics or his Twitter feed.

As for Twitter, I can only marvel at how quickly the line went from "It's a private business, they can do what they want, they have no obligation to you, go start your own platform if you don't like their terms of service!" to "This is the Marketplace Of Ideas, it's a vital platform for public discourse, it's too important to be controlled by a narcissistic oligarch!"

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 09:02:56 am
I think Musk has been the single most important individual in transforming electric vehicles from a niche product for dweebs into a mainstream commercially viable enterprise that will largely replace internal combustion vehicles within our lifetimes.  That's a very significant achievement regardless of whether you like his politics or his Twitter feed.

As for Twitter, I can only marvel at how quickly the line went from "It's a private business, they can do what they want, they have no obligation to you, go start your own platform if you don't like their terms of service!" to "This is the Marketplace Of Ideas, it's a vital platform for public discourse, it's too important to be controlled by a narcissistic oligarch!"

 -k
Quite right kimmy!  The hand wringing didn't start until Musk showed interest in Twitter.  That's why none of these people have any credibility.  They're concern trolls, nothing more.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 10:29:33 am
As for Twitter, I can only marvel at how quickly the line went from "It's a private business, they can do what they want, they have no obligation to you, go start your own platform if you don't like their terms of service!" to "This is the Marketplace Of Ideas, it's a vital platform for public discourse, it's too important to be controlled by a narcissistic oligarch!"

You and Shiddy must shop at the same strawman store.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 10:46:51 am
lmao (https://twitter.com/Phylan/status/1517507755162148864?s=20&t=DCJOEDRm5HmuyJJfxqEVXQ)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 10:48:45 am
lmao (https://twitter.com/Phylan/status/1517507755162148864?s=20&t=DCJOEDRm5HmuyJJfxqEVXQ)
That’s hilarious!  What idiot would use a self driving car right in front of a jet!  You gotta wonder about some people.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 22, 2022, 12:41:37 pm
It’s not about Kool Aid.  But if he does what he says he’s going to do, Twitter will be a much freer place.  I still don’t know what you have against algorithms made public.  Isn’t more transparency better?  But if you really want to get into a discussion of Kool Aid, look no further than the Trudeau cult.

I'm not on Twitter so I really don't care. I'm just amazed how many people are just willing to take this guy on faith alone.

Musk will have the same problems with what can be allowed in the name of free speech as every other platform.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 22, 2022, 12:50:21 pm
lmao (https://twitter.com/Phylan/status/1517507755162148864?s=20&t=DCJOEDRm5HmuyJJfxqEVXQ)

Musk may be a smart guy but some of his customers sure are morons.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 22, 2022, 01:01:23 pm
I think Musk has been the single most important individual in transforming electric vehicles from a niche product for dweebs into a mainstream commercially viable enterprise that will largely replace internal combustion vehicles within our lifetimes.  That's a very significant achievement regardless of whether you like his politics or his Twitter feed.

I don’t disagree.

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As for Twitter, I can only marvel at how quickly the line went from "It's a private business, they can do what they want, they have no obligation to you, go start your own platform if you don't like their terms of service!" to "This is the Marketplace Of Ideas, it's a vital platform for public discourse, it's too important to be controlled by a narcissistic oligarch!"

 -k

I can’t believe people want Twitter to become more of a cesspool free-for-all racist platform more than it already is. 

The sooner the oligarchs with a political agenda buy up social media, the sooner people will realize that maybe social media isn’t all it was made out to be….  A lot of people (MH?) seem to think social media democratized the little people, when in reality, it helps spread false information, often by government actors like China and Russia, that has hurt western democracies.

*note:  the word c-r-a-c-k-e-d is banned on this platform.   LOL. WTF???
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 03:23:24 pm
You can take the boy out of apartheid-era South Africa, but you can't take apartheid-era South Africa out of the boy.
Black workers accused Tesla of racism for years. Now California is stepping in (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/18/tesla-california-racial-harassment-discrimination-lawsuit)
Black ex-Tesla worker awarded almost $137 million for racial abuse including being subjected to "N-word"
 (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-ex-tesla-worker-137-million-racial-abuse-n-word/)
Ex-Tesla employee called racial slur wins rare US$1-million award (https://driving.ca/auto-news/industry/ex-tesla-employee-called-racial-slur-wins-rare-us1-million-award)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 22, 2022, 05:04:16 pm
You can take the boy out of apartheid-era South Africa, but you can't take apartheid-era South Africa out of the boy.
Black workers accused Tesla of racism for years. Now California is stepping in (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/18/tesla-california-racial-harassment-discrimination-lawsuit)
Black ex-Tesla worker awarded almost $137 million for racial abuse including being subjected to "N-word"
 (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-ex-tesla-worker-137-million-racial-abuse-n-word/)
Ex-Tesla employee called racial slur wins rare US$1-million award (https://driving.ca/auto-news/industry/ex-tesla-employee-called-racial-slur-wins-rare-us1-million-award)

To be fair how much is this Elin's fault?  I assume supervisors aren't dropping n-bombs when the boss is around.  I worked at a high tech manufacturing facility once.  I never saw the owner once and some of the supervisors were a-holes.

Making the leap that this makes Musk a racist is illogical and needs more evidence to confirm.  If he knew it was going on and did nothing then sure.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 22, 2022, 05:06:48 pm
A lot of people (MH?) seem to think social media democratized the little people, when in reality, it helps spread false information, often by government actors like China and Russia, that has hurt western democracies.

It seems to do both.   Problem is telling the difference between one and the other.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 22, 2022, 05:32:51 pm
I think Musk has been the single most important individual in transforming electric vehicles from a niche product for dweebs into a mainstream commercially viable enterprise that will largely replace internal combustion vehicles within our lifetimes.  That's a very significant achievement regardless of whether you like his politics or his Twitter feed.

Sure Tesla has done a lot of R&D to improve EV tech to their credit, but Tesla is not the EV for the working man, it's a luxury brand designed for the type of people who need to show off the fact that they own an iphone and a Canada Goose jacket in order to make people think they are trendy, rich, and cool .

Musk has had the goal of being the next Steve Jobs that all the trendy kids worship like a tech God.  It's narcissistic BS.  He isn't going to change the world selling overpriced impractical cars that the working class can't afford.  Have you seen the Tesla truck? Who the **** is going to buy that?  A plumber or an urban hipster?  Me thinks Elon has spent too much time living amongst the hipsters in Silicon Valley and lost sight of the big picture.

We're only going to save the world when buying an EV appeals to the types of people who drive a Ford or a Toyota Corolla. And Donna the Walmart cashier doesn't care if their car can run a Super Nintendo emulator.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 24, 2022, 10:42:39 am
Things are about to get very interesting! 😁

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on April 24, 2022, 11:17:35 am
Things are about to get very interesting! 😁

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ_LIpjVgAApdQ8?format=jpg&name=small)

how so Retro, how so?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 24, 2022, 03:49:18 pm
how so Retro, how so?
How so in that Twitter is reconsidering Musk’s offer.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 12:42:14 pm
Breaking news!
Twitter to accept Musk’s offer to buy company.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 12:45:12 pm
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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 12:57:14 pm
Good thing we didn't make that bet eh Black Dogg?  LOL!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 01:02:07 pm
Good thing we didn't make that bet eh Black Dogg?  LOL!

Nah, i'd have walked away from here no problem because unlike you, I don't live to be humiliated by total strangers and have other interests and people who care about me.

In a way I can see why you stan Musk: you see a loser nerd gagging for any attention he can get and think "this guy is a kindred soul!"
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 01:09:30 pm
Nah, i'd have walked away from here no problem because unlike you, I don't live to be humiliated by total strangers and have other interests and people who care about me.

In a way I can see why you stan Musk: you see a loser nerd gagging for any attention he can get and think "this guy is a kindred soul!"
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 01:12:32 pm
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Oh yeah that's another bit you stole from me lmao.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 01:54:45 pm
Oh yeah that's another bit you stole from me lmao.
Hey, if you don't like Twitter, you can always start your own!  LOL.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 25, 2022, 02:00:35 pm
Hey, if you don't like Twitter, you can always start your own!  LOL.
That's what you guys said before you were humiliated with the failure of Truth Social.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 02:17:34 pm
Hey, if you don't like Twitter, you can always start your own!  LOL.

See, another line that you didn't come up with lol.

Anyway I don't really care about Twitter since it's already a cesspool, but I don't think turning it into Gab 2.0 is gonna do great things for the platform long term.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 02:33:20 pm
That's what you guys said before you were humiliated with the failure of Truth Social.
Sorry, I never got into Truth Social.  I couldn't care less about it. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 02:34:03 pm
See, another line that you didn't come up with lol.

Anyway I don't really care about Twitter since it's already a cesspool, but I don't think turning it into Gab 2.0 is gonna do great things for the platform long term.
It's just good that real stories like Hunter Biden won't be censored during election time again.  No more rigged elections.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 25, 2022, 02:40:38 pm
I just deleted my Twitter account. **** Musk.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 02:50:06 pm
I just deleted my Twitter account. **** Musk.
LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 03:01:30 pm
BC Cheque and the rest of the left wingers in this forum...

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 03:09:34 pm
It's just good that real stories like Hunter Biden won't be censored during election time again.  No more rigged elections.

It's sad that you cultists cling to this myth that people would actually care about that bogus story enough to sway the election, but you accidentally make a point here that if Musk follows through on making Twitter a completely open platform, the firehose of misinformation you drink from and bathe in will be cranked up and sprayed even wider. No verification, no fact-checking, just chaos. And that's the goal because the only way the right can thrive is by inundating gullible rubes like you with propaganda, lies and scams.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 03:10:11 pm
BC Cheque and the rest of the left wingers in this forum...

Oh what a surprise, more content you just copied from somewhere else. Not an original thought to be seen.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 25, 2022, 03:18:34 pm
LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!

Same reason I didn’t buy a Tesla even though I loved how it drives (talked my mom out of buying one too).

**** Musk seriously. Something very wrong with a forum like Twitter going private.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 03:23:56 pm
It's sad that you cultists cling to this myth that people would actually care about that bogus story
It's not a bogus story you idiot.  There's an ongoing FBI investigation.  There's absolutely no reason it should have been censored.  You fascists are pathetic.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 03:24:39 pm
Same reason I didn’t buy a Tesla even though I loved how it drives (talked my mom out of buying one too).
You didn't buy a Tesla because Elon Musk supports free speech?  You're deranged.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 03:39:33 pm
It's not a bogus story you idiot.  There's an ongoing FBI investigation.  There's absolutely no reason it should have been censored.  You fascists are pathetic.

It must really burn your ass that no one give a **** about Hunter Biden's laptop.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 03:41:44 pm
It must really burn your ass that no one give a **** about Hunter Biden's laptop.
Oh, people do, especially when they learn about it.  The FBI is also very interested.  It's really sad that you defend nepotism and corruption just because it's associated with a politician that isn't Donald Trump.  That's why people like you have no credibility, and aren't taken seriously.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 25, 2022, 03:50:44 pm
You didn't buy a Tesla because Elon Musk supports free speech?  You're deranged.

You seem very confused about the meaning of free speech.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 03:54:10 pm
You seem very confused about the meaning of free speech.
Not as confused as you seem to be.  Regardless, you discount what he's done for research and innovation of electric vehicles, and of space exploration, because he doesn't think people should be banned from Twitter because of certain political ideas.  That says more about you, than anyone else.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 03:56:13 pm
Oh, people do, especially when they learn about it.  The FBI is also very interested.  It's really sad that you defend nepotism and corruption just because it's associated with a politician that isn't Donald Trump.  That's why people like you have no credibility, and aren't taken seriously.

The fact you are more concerned about an investigation that has so far turned up no links to Joe Biden than Trump's efforts to illegally overturn the election which are being investigated by the DoJ is why everyone thinks you're a retarded hack.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 25, 2022, 04:28:28 pm
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What a jerk!!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 25, 2022, 04:29:57 pm
Best way to make 50% of the public hate you is to open your mouth about politics.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 25, 2022, 04:35:21 pm
You didn't buy a Tesla because Elon Musk supports free speech?  You're deranged.
You just said you are in favour of governments punishing private companies that criticize their policies. You don't believe in free speech at all.
But at least you know you're much too stupid to even defend yourself. Too bad though. That would be hilarious.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 05:02:47 pm
From what I can tell, the ratio of conservatives posting "oooooh lefties are going to be so triggered by Musk buying Twitter!" and lefties actually upset about it is roughly 3000:1, proving once again that:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeF8nXVWkAUlkEG.jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 05:20:38 pm
From what I can tell, the ratio of conservatives posting "oooooh lefties are going to be so triggered by Musk buying Twitter!" and lefties actually upset about it is roughly 3000:1, proving once again that:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeF8nXVWkAUlkEG.jpg)
Is that why #RIPTwitter has been trending for hours?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 05:24:03 pm
Is that why #RIPTwitter has been trending for hours?

Like 90% of the accounts using that hashtag are right wingers. Christ you're gullible.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 25, 2022, 05:45:28 pm
Is that why #RIPTwitter has been trending for hours?
I love how you cower whenever you're ask to defend Florida's governmental retribution against Disney's speech. It makes me feel very powerful.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 05:46:43 pm
Like 90% of the accounts using that hashtag are right wingers. Christ you're gullible.
Speaking of gullible, remember when you insisted that Musk was just going to pump and dump Twitter stock for profit?  That prediction ended up being the real dump here huh?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 25, 2022, 07:21:51 pm
I think the people who expect free speech to be protected by giving control to a single individual are the very definition of suckers.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 25, 2022, 07:24:01 pm
From what I can tell, the ratio of conservatives posting "oooooh lefties are going to be so triggered by Musk buying Twitter!" and lefties actually upset about it is roughly 3000:1, proving once again that:

https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/general-discussion/elon-musk/?message=90010
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 25, 2022, 07:36:37 pm
Well I’m glad you think that highly of my one account Nipples but unfortunately I’m not the spokesperson for the left. Before leaving I read many messages from followers who were saying differently. Either they’re staying to fight the good fight or staying to see what happens first.

When I clicked the trending hashtag #leavingtwitter it was all RWNJ’s gloating. I think BD is right.

And FWIW I made an attempt recently to not waste so much time on Twitter by deleting the app off my phone and only using it on my desktop. It wasn’t a huge stretch to leave the platform all together.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 07:44:32 pm
I think the people who expect free speech to be protected by giving control to a single individual are the very definition of suckers.
I’m not sure what you mean by giving control.  Giving control of what?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 07:47:11 pm
Today is on par with election eve 2016 in terms of the liberal freak out.  It really is glorious!

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 25, 2022, 07:49:03 pm
Says the guy STILL crying about Hunter Biden’s laptop.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 07:57:16 pm
Says the guy STILL crying about Hunter Biden’s laptop.
Yes, the story that was deliberately censored in order to help Joe Biden win.  THAT my friend is top notch election interference.  There won’t be any cheating like that going on by Twitter in 2024, that’s for sure.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 08:02:03 pm
This is the left wing mentality whenever they don’t get they’re own way.  They’re essentially children posing as adults.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 25, 2022, 08:03:42 pm
Well I’m glad you think that highly of my one account Nipples but unfortunately I’m not the spokesperson for the left. Before leaving I read many messages from followers who were saying differently. Either they’re staying to fight the good fight or staying to see what happens first.

What do they think they're going to fight?  Is Elon going to bring Nazi's onto the platform or something?

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And FWIW I made an attempt recently to not waste so much time on Twitter by deleting the app off my phone and only using it on my desktop. It wasn’t a huge stretch to leave the platform all together.

Agree.  Twitter is a giant pool of negative energy.  I haven't had an an account in about a year.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 25, 2022, 08:05:40 pm
I’m not sure what you mean by giving control.  Giving control of what?

He will be the sole owner. Who do you think?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 08:44:26 pm
What do they think they're going to fight?  Is Elon going to bring Nazi's onto the platform or something?

They're already there, he'll just make it more welcoming.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 08:49:33 pm
Speaking of gullible, remember when you insisted that Musk was just going to pump and dump Twitter stock for profit?  That prediction ended up being the real dump here huh?

Oh, we're talking bad predictions now? I got one for ya. (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960?s=20&t=puLeqQBix_cNo5CVpg3Aew)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 25, 2022, 10:05:59 pm
The best outcome here is that Elon manages to somehow destroy twitter so society can go back to some semblance of sanity.

If the guy is truly dedicated to saving humanity he'll just shut the site down and eat the 50 billion lol.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 25, 2022, 11:24:33 pm
Seems like late-stage capitalism and the inevitable devastating result of conservatives' endless tax cuts. He could have given $1M to every American and still had billions left over. He could have solved world hunger and stopped the pandemic in its tracks. He could gave done great work to mitigate climate change. Instead he bought an app.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on April 25, 2022, 11:33:40 pm
Seems like late-stage capitalism and the inevitable devastating result of conservatives' endless tax cuts. He could have given $1M to every American and still had billions left over. He could have solved world hunger and stopped the pandemic in its tracks. He could gave done great work to mitigate climate change. Instead he bought an app.

Clearly, a guy who paid $44 billion for a website can't be as smart as people thought he was.

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on April 25, 2022, 11:37:42 pm
I just deleted my Twitter account. **** Musk.

omg now I love Elon Musk.





I still think the Model Y looks stupid though.

Same reason I didn’t buy a Tesla even though I loved how it drives (talked my mom out of buying one too).

At the time you told us it was because somebody you knew had a terrible customer service experience with their Tesla.

**** Musk seriously. Something very wrong with a forum like Twitter going private.

Twitter (and Facebook, and whatever else) all started out private.  Where did the idea that they're a public utility come from?


 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 25, 2022, 11:41:49 pm
Seems like late-stage capitalism and the inevitable devastating result of conservatives' endless tax cuts. He could have given $1M to every American and still had billions left over. He could have solved world hunger and stopped the pandemic in its tracks. He could gave done great work to mitigate climate change. Instead he bought an app.

Well to be fair, it's probably the most powerful app in western civilization and has had pretty big implications for our society.  He's also already doing more to fight climate change than 99.9% of the population, if not just about anyone in the West if not the world.  He owns leading edge EV and solar panel companies etc.

You just don't like the guy and he threatens your political agenda.  I mean fine whatever, and he's a bit of an arse.  Personally i think its better as a public company but i guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on April 25, 2022, 11:53:19 pm
What do they think they're going to fight?  Is Elon going to bring Nazi's onto the platform or something?

Genuinely curious what people are expecting to happen.   Just saw this tweet from a Toronto Star columnist:

(https://i.imgur.com/1FeCaWc.png)

Like... does she not know that everybody in the world could already read those tweets?

People are acting like they're expecting Musk to instate a real-life version of those "The Purge" movies.

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 26, 2022, 12:13:49 am
At the time you told us it was because somebody you knew had a terrible customer service experience with their Tesla.

Twitter (and Facebook, and whatever else) all started out private.  Where did the idea that they're a public utility come from?


 -k

It was the manufacturing not customer service. The guy did spook me but while I cancelled the deposit I still was undecided what to get. I always found Musk annoying but went on to find him abhorrent during the freedumb protests when he backed the truckers and compared Trudeau to Hitler (I even say that as someone who hates Trudeau). That was the nail on the coffin and by the time my mom’s lease came up I went full campaign against Musk, not Tesla.

As for the public forum, um I believe that was Musk who said Twitter is like a townhall.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 26, 2022, 12:19:15 am
What do they think they're going to fight?  Is Elon going to bring Nazi's onto the platform or something?

I don’t know, maybe, probably. For me it’s more about boycotting any businesses owned by Musk. See my previous post for elaboration.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on April 26, 2022, 09:18:54 am

Twitter (and Facebook, and whatever else) all started out private.  Where did the idea that they're a public utility come from?


 -k

That's the problem, all the major platforms and much of media is either owned by or being gobbled up by mega billionaires. I don't know how anyone can think that is a good thing, or good for free speech.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 11:20:30 am
That's the problem, all the major platforms and much of media is either owned by or being gobbled up by mega billionaires. I don't know how anyone can think that is a good thing, or good for free speech.

There's a segment of people on the right who are pretty up front about their desire to replace democracy with, essentially, a dictatorship of rich tech bros.

The Politics of Tech Oligarchy (https://johnganz.substack.com/p/the-emerging-tech-lash?s=r)

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Twitter is a notoriously bad business and Musk’s project is explicitly political: he says he wants to restore “free speech” to the platform, through the loosening of content moderation policies. Tech oligarchs, like Musk, Thiel, and Marc Andreesen, resent the control of the content moderation on the social media platforms by what they see as overly “woke” members of the professional-managerial class in both the media and in the lower-ranking staffs of the tech companies themselves. Unimpeachable in principle, in practice “free speech” would likely mean a return to the platform of the kind of trolling that dominated the space in 2015-2016, during Trump’s election. There would probably be an increase in harassment of left-leaning journalists and activists and a general “flooding of the zone with ****.”

Figures on the far right, like Tucker Carlson and the Claremont Institute’s chief Ryan Williams were already reveling in the news. The right wing’s use of social media for marshaling McCarthyite demagogic campaigns is already meeting with some success, like for instance with Chris Rufo’s assaults on “Critical Race Theory” and L.G.B.T rights. In the absence of content moderation, the ferocity of such mob activity could step up.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 26, 2022, 11:26:26 am
I must admit that Twitter content seems to have improved.
https://twitter.com/KnowNothingTV/status/1518658898143715329?t=xBrsiwVI5-Im6woZvh6ZQA&s=19
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 11:26:50 am
Genuinely curious what people are expecting to happen.   Just saw this tweet from a Toronto Star columnist:

(https://i.imgur.com/1FeCaWc.png)

Like... does she not know that everybody in the world could already read those tweets?

People are acting like they're expecting Musk to instate a real-life version of those "The Purge" movies.

 -k
The derangement of the anti-Musk crowd knows no bounds.  They really do need professional help.  I think it's part of the psychosis of living in an echo chamber for so long.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 11:28:44 am
There's a segment of people on the right who are pretty up front about their desire to replace democracy with, essentially, a dictatorship of rich tech bros.

The Politics of Tech Oligarchy (https://johnganz.substack.com/p/the-emerging-tech-lash?s=r)
Right, the fact that most tech is controlled by left of center oligarch's is fine, but OMG one isn't now, it's the end of democracy!  You really do need professional help.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 11:30:03 am
I must admit that Twitter content seems to have improved.
https://twitter.com/KnowNothingTV/status/1518658898143715329?t=xBrsiwVI5-Im6woZvh6ZQA&s=19

Don't forget when he promised to fix all the water pipes in Flint, Michigan and ended up just donating some water filters to a few schools.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 11:31:38 am
Right, the fact that most tech is controlled by left of center oligarch's is fine, but OMG one isn't now, it's the end of democracy!  You really do need professional help.

I guess when you're an extreme right wing nut like you, centre-right billionaire oligarchs like Bezos or Zuckerberg look like loony leftists, but that's entirely a "you" problem as in "you are completely disconnected from reality."
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 11:47:06 am
I guess when you're an extreme right wing nut like you, centre-right billionaire oligarchs like Bezos or Zuckerberg look like loony leftists, but that's entirely a "you" problem as in "you are completely disconnected from reality."
Yes, centre-right billionaires that continue to censor conservative voices.  It's funny that you support such billionaries, and them controlling 90% of the internet and social media just isn't enough for you.  Like any fascist, you must control everything, as even a little bit of dissent is threatening.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 11:54:58 am
Yes, centre-right billionaires that continue to censor conservative voices.

That's not a thing and you've provided zero evidence that it's a thing so at this point it's kinda embarrassing that you keep insisting it's a thing.

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It's funny that you support such billionaries, and them controlling 90% of the internet and social media just isn't enough for you.

Yes it's me, the guy who thinks all billionaires should have their wealth redistributed, and I love billionaires. Christ, you're absolute garbage at this.

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Like any fascist, you must control everything, as even a little bit of dissent is threatening.

The guy who supports the state punishing private corporations for putting out a news release has thoughts about stifling dissent. LOL.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 12:08:53 pm
To be fair how much is this Elin's fault?  I assume supervisors aren't dropping n-bombs when the boss is around.  I worked at a high tech manufacturing facility once.  I never saw the owner once and some of the supervisors were a-holes.

Making the leap that this makes Musk a racist is illogical and needs more evidence to confirm.  If he knew it was going on and did nothing then sure.

from the LA Times article:

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Tesla’s billionaire chief executive, Elon Musk, would come through the front of the factory “with his entourage,” Chatman said. “They didn’t want a Black face up there,” she said, adding that Latino colleagues were left up front while Black workers were moved to the back.

They must have got the impression that musk didn't want to see Black wokers from somewhere. Or maybe they assume he hates all colours the way he hates the colour yellow. (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/tesla-workers-getting-hurt-because-elon-musk-hates-yellow.html)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 26, 2022, 12:17:20 pm

You just don't like the guy and he threatens your political agenda.  I mean fine whatever, and he's a bit of an arse.
I just don't like him? You've been reading too much shady and are starting to parrot his arguments. I don't care one way or the other for him. We've never met. Although from other people's accounts, I agree he seems like a douche. But who doesn't these days?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 26, 2022, 12:31:01 pm
Private individuals should not be able to possess public discussions.

That's a conflict of interest.

I don't care which billionaires you guys love/hate today or tomorrow - it's a bad idea.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 26, 2022, 12:37:34 pm
So would you nationalize or demonopolize it?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 12:42:22 pm
Private individuals should not be able to possess public discussions.

That's a conflict of interest.

I don't care which billionaires you guys love/hate today or tomorrow - it's a bad idea.
Like this forum?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 01:17:50 pm
This guy is supposedly a genius.

(https://preview.redd.it/iw783q69vov81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d4f32c1c4b7b74128a3d9212b866ea3b86f52926)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 26, 2022, 01:56:36 pm
Like this forum?

Not really.

If there's a pervasive mode of discussion that influences how we do things we shouldn't have a Zuckerberg, Dempsey, Musk or Baizos hitting the delete key.

Why have Freedom of Speech ?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 02:31:54 pm
Not really.

If there's a pervasive mode of discussion that influences how we do things we shouldn't have a Zuckerberg, Dempsey, Musk or Baizos hitting the delete key.

Why have Freedom of Speech ?
What's the criteria then?  Which platforms can't be owned privately and which ones can?  Regardless, why is this only an issue now, now that Musk has bought Twitter, and not an issue before?  Why was/is it ok for Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc to be operated in the same manner?  When Twitter and Facebook etc censored the New York Post over the Hunter Biden story, the same people that are speaking up now, said absolutely nothing then.  In fact, all I heard was iTs A pRiVaTE cOmPaNY, tHeY cAn dO WhAT tHEy wAnT.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 02:57:05 pm
What's the criteria then?  Which platforms can't be owned privately and which ones can?  Regardless, why is this only an issue now, now that Musk has bought Twitter, and not an issue before?  Why was/is it ok for Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc to be operated in the same manner?

You not paying attention/being ignorant doesn't mean anyone thought it was ok.

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When Twitter and Facebook etc censored the New York Post over the Hunter Biden story, the same people that are speaking up now, said absolutely nothing then.  In fact, all I heard was iTs A pRiVaTE cOmPaNY, tHeY cAn dO WhAT tHEy wAnT.

Yeah and now that Musk owns Twitter, he can do what he wants and no one has said otherwise, so I have no idea what you're blubbering about.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 26, 2022, 03:05:59 pm
1. What's the criteria then?  Which platforms can't be owned privately and which ones can? 

2. Regardless, why is this only an issue now, now that Musk has bought Twitter, and not an issue before? 

3. Why was/is it ok for Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc to be operated in the same manner?  When Twitter and Facebook etc censored the New York Post over the Hunter Biden story, the same people that are speaking up now, said absolutely nothing then.  In fact, all I heard was iTs A pRiVaTE cOmPaNY, tHeY cAn dO WhAT tHEy wAnT.

1. I don't know about platforms but I do know about an entire medium... and one that mitigates point-to-point communication such as me telling my neighbours about a local concern... is corporate overreach.  You yourself don't like Disney so would you ok with Disney deciding you weren't allowed to use he/she anymore in your Facebook posts ?  My point isn't about left/right it's about controlling communication.

As a conservative, it's in your interest to not want the mob to decide what you can/can't say.

2. It has been for awhile, with Twitter (Trump getting kicked out or not, with the rules being used selectively for others) and Facebook too.  There have been calls from Trump as well as people like Elizabeth Warren to address it.

3. Not ok. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 03:28:07 pm
1. I don't know about platforms but I do know about an entire medium... and one that mitigates point-to-point communication such as me telling my neighbours about a local concern... is corporate overreach.  You yourself don't like Disney so would you ok with Disney deciding you weren't allowed to use he/she anymore in your Facebook posts ?  My point isn't about left/right it's about controlling communication.

As a conservative, it's in your interest to not want the mob to decide what you can/can't say.

2. It has been for awhile, with Twitter (Trump getting kicked out or not, with the rules being used selectively for others) and Facebook too.  There have been calls from Trump as well as people like Elizabeth Warren to address it.

3. Not ok.

why are you pretending any of that idiot's complaints are in good faith? Hell, they're not even coherent.

1. It sucks that almost all our communication is mediated through platforms owned by sociopathic billionaires who are accountable to no one with powers that a medieval despot could only dream of.

2. With that being said, they can do what they want as private actors and as long as this is the model we're stuck with, our choices are either live with it or opt out of using those platforms.

3. It's extremely comical to hear right wingers complain about suppression of conservative speech when there's no evidence of censorship and plenty of evidence that these platforms amplify conservative voices.

4. It's also funny that decades of conservative activism to hollow out the ability of the state to take action on antitrust issues and promote monopolies have led to social media companies having free reign to censor conservatives (a thing that, again, is not actually happening).

5. The only issue people have with Musk buying Twitter is that he's gonna make it suck even more than it already does. It's not like there aren't plenty of places on the internet where people can say whatever they want, it's just that those places are terrible and most normal people avoid them for that reason.


Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 26, 2022, 03:41:40 pm
why are you pretending any of that idiot's complaints are in good faith? Hell, they're not even coherent.

1. It sucks that almost all our communication is mediated through platforms owned by sociopathic billionaires who are accountable to no one with powers that a medieval despot could only dream of.

2. With that being said, they can do what they want as private actors and as long as this is the model we're stuck with, our choices are either live with it or opt out of using those platforms.

3. It's extremely comical to hear right wingers complain about suppression of conservative speech when there's no evidence of censorship and plenty of evidence that these platforms amplify conservative voices.

4. It's also funny that decades of conservative activism to hollow out the ability of the state to take action on antitrust issues and promote monopolies have led to social media companies having free reign to censor conservatives (a thing that, again, is not actually happening).

5. The only issue people have with Musk buying Twitter is that he's gonna make it suck even more than it already does. It's not like there aren't plenty of places on the internet where people can say whatever they want, it's just that those places are terrible and most normal people avoid them for that reason.

Ok - well I see people as redeemable, I don't know....

No self-respecting conservative lives without principles so if you are dealing with a purported conservative, extract the principles that they follow and test them.

This is my tried and true measure for turning conservatives into socialists.

Remember Mr. Canada ?  He's 100% NDP now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 26, 2022, 04:54:08 pm
Because Mr Canada was always a troll. He was one of shady’s alter egos.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 26, 2022, 05:00:48 pm
Not a chance. Mr. C was simple but not an idiot. He could still think for himself.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 05:02:36 pm
Not a chance. Mr. C was simple but not an idiot. He could still think for himself.

Yeah i don't think Shiddy is smart enough to run a sock puppet account, he'd have it posting "complete nonsense, libtards!" in like five minutes and give the game away.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 05:07:51 pm
Yeah i don't think Shiddy is smart enough to run a sock puppet account, he'd have it posting "complete nonsense, libtards!" in like five minutes and give the game away.
Challenge accepted!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 26, 2022, 05:10:08 pm
What's the criteria then?  Which platforms can't be owned privately and which ones can?  Regardless, why is this only an issue now, now that Musk has bought Twitter, and not an issue before?  Why was/is it ok for Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc to be operated in the same manner?  When Twitter and Facebook etc censored the New York Post over the Hunter Biden story, the same people that are speaking up now, said absolutely nothing then.  In fact, all I heard was iTs A pRiVaTE cOmPaNY, tHeY cAn dO WhAT tHEy wAnT.

You're actually correct on these points.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 05:13:58 pm
Ok - well I see people as redeemable, I don't know....

No self-respecting conservative lives without principles so if you are dealing with a purported conservative, extract the principles that they follow and test them.

This is my tried and true measure for turning conservatives into socialists.

Remember Mr. Canada ?  He's 100% NDP now.
I’d rather have somebody in control of something like Twitter that errs on the side of free speech than against it.  Besides, I’m hearing that Twitter will make its algorithms open source, and people will have options of opting out of any new more free Twitter, and opting in the old model.  That’s the best part of this, USERS get to decide what information they want to be subjected to.  Not any owner, board or billionaire.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 26, 2022, 05:27:53 pm
Imagine how much of a censorship tyrant you have to be to be politically threatened by free speech.  Straight outta Stalin and Animal Farm, yo.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 26, 2022, 05:37:49 pm
Yeah i don't think Shiddy is smart enough to run a sock puppet account, he'd have it posting "complete nonsense, libtards!" in like five minutes and give the game away.

Fair point indeed but the night shady had a meltdown over kimmy banning him for the GoT spoiler shady and Mr C/QWERTY posted some self inflicting admissions and I took screen shots before they were deleted.

Something stunk badly in all that.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 05:44:18 pm
Imagine how much of a censorship tyrant you have to be to be politically threatened by free speech.  Straight outta Stalin and Animal Farm, yo.

Imagine looking at places with unmoderated, unregulated content like 8chan, Gab, Parler and thinking "man it would be great if Twitter was more like that."
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 26, 2022, 05:45:40 pm
Imagine how much of a censorship tyrant you have to be to be politically threatened by free speech.  Straight outta Stalin and Animal Farm, yo.

BS. The things are were not tolerated were either because they caused violence (January 6) or hate speech. They were even too tolerant of vaccine misinformation.

Republicans just have this victim mentality when they’re called out on their BS.



 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 05:54:19 pm
Musk: "I'm a free speech absolutist."
Also Elon Musk (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376): "Free speech is whatever the government says is allowed."
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 06:33:30 pm
Imagine how much of a censorship tyrant you have to be to be politically threatened by free speech.  Straight outta Stalin and Animal Farm, yo.
Exactly, it speaks volumes.  Even Musk has noticed.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 06:35:51 pm
Imagine looking at places with unmoderated, unregulated content like 8chan, Gab, Parler and thinking "man it would be great if Twitter was more like that."
Nobody says Twitter isn’t going to moderated or left unregulated.  I’m not sure if you’re just stupid or being purposely obtuse.  But the days of banning somebody for stating scientific facts like men don’t menstruate are over.  And you anti-speech types are going to have to learn to adjust.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 26, 2022, 06:45:30 pm
you anti-speech types are going to have to learn to adjust.
How do you feel about the state punishing private companies for expressing disagreement with their policies?
I only ask because you're too stupid and cowardly to answer. Lol
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 26, 2022, 07:32:04 pm
Challenge accepted!
You already tried here, remember? Shady was not the first name for this account. But everyone knew it was you because no one else outside of London is that stupid
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 26, 2022, 07:43:32 pm
1. I’d rather have somebody in control of something like Twitter that errs on the side of free speech than against it. 
2. Besides, I’m hearing that Twitter will make its algorithms open source, and people will have options of opting out of any new more free Twitter, and opting in the old model. 
3. That’s the best part of this, USERS get to decide what information they want to be subjected to.  Not any owner, board or billionaire.
1. False dilemma.  You could just nationalize it too.
2. If we're going by what we heard...
3. Until they don't.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 07:54:06 pm
Nobody says Twitter isn’t going to moderated or left unregulated.  I’m not sure if you’re just stupid or being purposely obtuse.  But the days of banning somebody for stating scientific facts like men don’t menstruate are over.  And you anti-speech types are going to have to learn to adjust.

So not actual free speech then.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 07:54:52 pm
You already tried here, remember? Shady was not the first name for this account. But everyone knew it was you because no one else outside of London is that stupid

I bet I already know what his new bit is going to be.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 07:55:33 pm
Exactly, it speaks volumes.  Even Musk has noticed.

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lol what's the next tweet in the thread say, Shiddy you dumb retard?

It says, essentially, "free speech is whatever the government says is allowed."

He's owned Twitter for like a day and already he's lowering expectations.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 08:16:49 pm
1. False dilemma.  You could just nationalize it too.
2. If we're going by what we heard...
3. Until they don't.
But all that can be said about the government in which you want Twitter nationalized to.  You don’t think government censors and suppresses speech?   It’s done all the time by governments around the world, including ours.  The new proposed Liberal internet bill is scary.  And you want them in control of something like Twitter?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 08:19:02 pm
How do you feel about the state punishing private companies for expressing disagreement with their policies?
I only ask because you're too stupid and cowardly to answer. Lol
I already answered that.  How do you feel about the Biden administration’s announced investigations into Musk’s companies on the day he bought Twitter?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 08:20:18 pm
You already tried here, remember? Shady was not the first name for this account. But everyone knew it was you because no one else outside of London is that stupid
Nope, I never tried it, I never pretended to be anyone else.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 08:28:52 pm
Nope, I never tried it, I never pretended to be anyone else.

I’m not sure who this Shady guy is, but he sounds freaking brilliant.  Hopefully he comes back here at some point.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 26, 2022, 08:33:41 pm

Exactly.  You can’t tell that’s tongue in cheek?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2022, 09:32:01 pm
Exactly.  You can’t tell that’s tongue in cheek?

Right, you flounced off the board in dramatic fashion and then slunk back with a bunch of different user names pretending to be someone else and it still took people a few seconds to clock you out because you don't have the brains to change your posting style.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 27, 2022, 05:59:18 am
But all that can be said about the government in which you want Twitter nationalized to.  You don’t think government censors and suppresses speech?   It’s done all the time by governments around the world, including ours.  The new proposed Liberal internet bill is scary.  And you want them in control of something like Twitter?

Better than a private owner.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 27, 2022, 08:23:15 am
Better than a private owner.
How so?

Regardless, the problem that I have is that you and others didn’t seem to have a problem with any of this until very recently.  Why now?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 27, 2022, 10:08:50 am
1. How so?

2. Regardless, the problem that I have is that you and others didn’t seem to have a problem with any of this until very recently.  Why now?
1. There is ultimate accountability to the public for decisions.

2. I didn't have a problem ?  You are incorrect.  For that matter, you are doubly incorrect because I don't see any difference between Jack Spratt or whatever his name was and Musk.

You are so devoted to the culture wars that you colour in my opinion and dress me up for a fight that isn't to be.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 10:59:09 am
How so?

Regardless, the problem that I have is that you and others didn’t seem to have a problem with any of this until very recently.  Why now?

Leaving aside the fact that this is a bullshit strawman, it's funny that it hasn't occurred to you that the problem isn't necessarily a billionaire owning it but who that billionaire is? All billionaires are bad, but some are worse than others.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 28, 2022, 09:38:50 am
Do yourselves a favour and follow Elon Musk.  😂

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 28, 2022, 09:46:01 am
1. There is ultimate accountability to the public for decisions.

2. I didn't have a problem ?  You are incorrect.  For that matter, you are doubly incorrect because I don't see any difference between Jack Spratt or whatever his name was and Musk.

You are so devoted to the culture wars that you colour in my opinion and dress me up for a fight that isn't to be.
So you’re essentially a proponent of a Ministry of Truth, a government body that decides what’s allowed to be shared on Twitter.  So what happens when a private application starts up that becomes more popular than your government controlled Twitter?  It gets nationalized as well?  Are you proposing to just constantly nationalize any platforms that become equal or more popular? 

Regardless, when/where did you annunciate your problem with billionaires owning media?  I mean, until now.  Can you link to a post?  Because from what I can tell, this new found concern only popped up via Elon Musk.  Apparently the billionaires that own newspapers, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and Twitter before Musk didn’t elicit much of any response to this supposed longstanding concern.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 28, 2022, 09:57:14 am
Leaving aside the fact that this is a bullshit strawman, it's funny that it hasn't occurred to you that the problem isn't necessarily a billionaire owning it but who that billionaire is? All billionaires are bad, but some are worse than others.
It’s not a strawman, it’s a legitimate question.  All billionaires are bad?  In what way?  Is this just a new extension of your bigotry?  But I agree, some are worse than others, particularly the ones that are against free speech. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 10:01:33 am
It’s not a strawman, it’s a legitimate question.

It is a strawman because no one has said its ok for billionaires to own all mans of mass communication, but you keep claiming that to be the case.

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All billionaires are bad?  In what way?  Is this just a new extension of your bigotry?  But I agree, some are worse than others, particularly the ones that are against free speech.

Billionaires are bad because no one gets that rich without exploiting the labour of others on a massive scale and without benefiting from a state-facilitated upward transfer of wealth while public services languish.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 10:05:40 am
What's wild about Elon Musk is he's the richest person in the world, but if he died tomorrow and his companies ceased to exist, it wouldn't really matter. Whereas if Amazon shut down it would cause disruptions on a global scale.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 02:47:18 pm
Brain as smooth as a bowling ball:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRdFYQtX0AI8QuA?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(Here's what really happened)

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 28, 2022, 03:06:02 pm
I’m starting to think Musk is just an attention craving megalomaniac. None of this is about “free speech” it’s about him and getting everyone to talk about him.

He’s another Trump who luckily wasn’t born in the US so sticking to buying social media is the best despot move he’s capable of making.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 28, 2022, 03:21:03 pm
Identity politics is not 'left' ...

 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 28, 2022, 06:56:27 pm
(Here's what really happened)

He's not talking about lawmakers he's talking about people.  Bill Maher was a liberal and now looks like a mild conservative because he's not woke.  Left and right have both gone hard on the identity politics and pushed closer to the extremes.   A lot of woke people are far-left socially.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 28, 2022, 06:58:17 pm
I’m starting to think Musk is just an attention craving megalomaniac. None of this is about “free speech” it’s about him and getting everyone to talk about him.

He definitely seems like an a-hole with a bad temper and wants to control everything.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 28, 2022, 07:00:46 pm
What's wild about Elon Musk is he's the richest person in the world, but if he died tomorrow and his companies ceased to exist, it wouldn't really matter. Whereas if Amazon shut down it would cause disruptions on a global scale.

His wealth is all fake.  His companies are drastically overvalued because the Elon cultists have bought tons of stock in companies that have barely made money.  At least Amazon makes ridiculous profits so Bezos's wealth makes sense.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 08:39:50 pm
He's not talking about lawmakers he's talking about people.  Bill Maher was a liberal and now looks like a mild conservative because he's not woke.
Left and right have both gone hard on the identity politics and pushed closer to the extremes.   A lot of woke people are far-left socially.

Except the extreme left has no power in the mainstream media or Democratic party while the extreme right is setting the agenda for the GOP.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 28, 2022, 09:11:41 pm
Except the extreme left has no power in the mainstream media or Democratic party while the extreme right is setting the agenda for the GOP.

Biden chose his VP and SCOTUS based on their race/gender.  Also the far-left Democrats in California, Oregon, Washington state, New York etc do have political power.  And much of the mainstream media is woke as heck.  This meme that the social far-left has no power is nonsense.

Are they as politically dangerous as Donald Trump?  No.  But whattaboutism doesn't negate the point.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 28, 2022, 10:06:55 pm
Billionaires are bad because no one gets that rich without exploiting the labour of others on a massive scale and without benefiting from a state-facilitated upward transfer of wealth while public services languish.
Complete and utter nonsense.  Musk’s Tesla and SpaceX pay employees very well.  You don’t know what you’re taking about, as usual.  Musk also paid 11 billion dollars in taxes last year.  Enough with your Stalinist bull****.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 28, 2022, 10:11:15 pm
What's wild about Elon Musk is he's the richest person in the world, but if he died tomorrow and his companies ceased to exist, it wouldn't really matter. Whereas if Amazon shut down it would cause disruptions on a global scale.
You’re really the king of garbage takes.  The same could be said of NASA or CERN.  It doesn’t mean it’s not very important work with potentially huge benefits for society.  Yes, Amazon makes more money, and allows people to get things in a day.  Generally shitty China made things.  If it went away, people would have to go back to waiting a few days for their packages.  BFD.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 28, 2022, 10:14:36 pm
His wealth is all fake.  His companies are drastically overvalued because the Elon cultists have bought tons of stock in companies that have barely made money.  At least Amazon makes ridiculous profits so Bezos's wealth makes sense.
Complete nonsense.  His wealth isn’t fake.  That’s why he paid 11 billion dollars in taxes last year.  Yes, Amazon makes more money.  But the work the Musk does at Tesla and SpaceX is significantly more important.  That’s not even debatable.  Space exploration and electric vehicle technology to solve climate change versus getting cheap junk from China the next day.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 28, 2022, 10:19:55 pm
He definitely seems like an a-hole with a bad temper and wants to control everything.
Huh?  How is he anymore of an a-hole than Jeff Bezos?  Bezos literally runs sweat shops.  How does Musk want to control everything?  Before he bought Twitter, how was he going about controlling “everything”?  Why can other billionaires buy up media companies but when Musk does it, there is an infantile insane reaction by people like you and others in this forum.  It’s ok for Bezos to buy newspapers.  It’s ok for Zuckerburg to own Facebook and buy Instagram and YouTube.  But OMG, Elon Musk wants to buy Twitter!  Stop the presses! 😂🤣
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 28, 2022, 10:47:44 pm
Billionaires are bad because no one gets that rich without exploiting the labour of others on a massive scale and without benefiting from a state-facilitated upward transfer of wealth while public services languish.

That's a pretty bad take based on zero data.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 28, 2022, 10:52:40 pm
Complete nonsense.  His wealth isn’t fake.  That’s why he paid 11 billion dollars in taxes last year.  Yes, Amazon makes more money.  But the work the Musk does at Tesla and SpaceX is significantly more important.  That’s not even debatable.  Space exploration and electric vehicle technology to solve climate change versus getting cheap junk from China the next day.

The number of people taking his rockets to Mars or driving his EVs does not match his net worth, not by a long shot.  The only reason he's so wealthy is because Telsa stock is super trendy.  Telsa stock is not worth what it is because Tesla sells many more cars than Toyota.  That's what i mean by "fake wealth".  It's an illusion and not based on any actual market fundamentals.

If I were Musk i'd sell Tesla and cash out on everything right now and go enjoy my life.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 28, 2022, 10:55:24 pm
Huh?  How is he anymore of an a-hole than Jeff Bezos?  Bezos literally runs sweat shops.

I never said he was more of an a-hole than Bezos.  But when he doesn't get his way he seems to throw tantrums and behave like a tyrant.  That's just what employees have said.  I don't hate the guy, this is just what i've heard.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 29, 2022, 08:58:23 am
You’re really the king of garbage takes.  The same could be said of NASA or CERN.  It doesn’t mean it’s not very important work with potentially huge benefits for society. 

NASA and CERN are public bodies dedicated to the public good, not making a rich guy richer.

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Yes, Amazon makes more money, and allows people to get things in a day.  Generally shitty China made things.  If it went away, people would have to go back to waiting a few days for their packages.  BFD.

lol tell me you don't know anything about Amazon without telling me you don't know anything about Amazon.

Complete and utter nonsense.  Musk’s Tesla and SpaceX pay employees very well. You don’t know what you’re taking about, as usual.  Musk also paid 11 billion dollars in taxes last year.  Enough with your Stalinist bull****.

How much are the children who mine the lithium for his car batteries paid?

Also, you can be paid well and still exploited, ask the Tesla workers who are suing over racial discrimination or the ones he fried for talking about unions or the ones injured because of Tesla's terrible safety policies.

Also that  $11B in taxes came after years of paying basically nothing and are a drop in the bucket for him You are a rube.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 29, 2022, 09:36:12 am
That's a pretty bad take based on zero data.

What kind of data do you need here?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 29, 2022, 11:37:54 am
My God he's a a stupid ****.

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I strongly supported Obama for President, but today’s Democratic Party has been hijacked by extremists

link (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519852213698502656?s=20&t=mZr1u54TKy9EMvpfBWRN_w)

The President is Obama's VP. The party leadership is the same people who were in charge in 2009. You can count the number of progressive Dems in positions of power on one hand and that includes a guy like Bernie who has been in Congress since 2007.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 29, 2022, 03:39:36 pm
This is a country without universal healthcare and a tax code which grossly favours the ultra wealthy.

They think Trudeau, Macron and Biden are socialists. There is little grounds for reasoning with them.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on April 29, 2022, 05:35:51 pm
Musk is an attention-****.  And being a conspiratard gets him the attention that he seeks. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 29, 2022, 05:39:42 pm
Not only was Biden Obama's VP, he was nominated to comfort conservative Dems and independents lest Obama look too radical.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 29, 2022, 07:55:28 pm
Unfortunately Democrats, and left wingers in general have gone off the deep end.  It’s why prominent liberals like Bill Maher almost seem conservative now.  Same with Elon Musk.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 29, 2022, 08:11:38 pm
The party that tried to violently overturn the election results saying universal healthcare is radical is irony at its finest.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on April 29, 2022, 09:12:26 pm
But...but there are people saying what pronouns they use!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 30, 2022, 01:36:12 pm
Unfortunately Democrats, and left wingers in general have gone off the deep end.  It’s why prominent liberals like Bill Maher almost seem conservative now.  Same with Elon Musk.

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No they're both just retarded. Bill Maher in particular is a typical liberal Boomer who is annoyed that the times have past him by. He's irrelevant and he knows it and it makes him insane.

Oh and also: Obama was and is a conservative.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 30, 2022, 04:43:33 pm
No they're both just retarded. Bill Maher in particular is a typical liberal Boomer who is annoyed that the times have past him by. He's irrelevant and he knows it and it makes him insane.

Yeah the times when liberals weren't stupid woke idiot weak-azz losers. I miss those days.

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Oh and also: Obama was and is a conservative.

Dude is moderate to slightly left of centre. Who look like Nazis to the SJWs.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 30, 2022, 07:38:20 pm
Yeah the times when liberals weren't stupid woke idiot weak-azz losers. I miss those days.

It's ok, liberals are still the craven defenders of the status quo you've always known and loved. They're also going to get crushed in the mid terms, lose the White House to an outright fascist in 2024 and will never touch power again but at least they don't tell you their pronouns lol.

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Dude is moderate to slightly left of centre. Who look like Nazis to the SJWs.

Moderates are conservatives by definiton. The mainstream of the Democratic party are conservatives. The mainstream GOP are revanchists.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 30, 2022, 08:10:56 pm
Moderates are conservatives by definiton. The mainstream of the Democratic party are conservatives.

Moderates aren't conservatives by definition.  You don't know the difference because you're too busy not letting your kids watch Paw Patrol.  Get better problems stupid.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 30, 2022, 08:16:27 pm
It's ok, liberals are still the craven defenders of the status quo you've always known and loved. They're also going to get crushed in the mid terms, lose the White House to an outright fascist in 2024 and will never touch power again but at least they don't tell you their pronouns lol.

I hope Donald Trump becomes Emperor so I can hear people cry like losers for the next 80 years about getting their feelings hurt by his tweets that Elon allows him to make, and then California goes full socialist and dies from famines and nobody leaves their houses ever again because they are afraid of everything.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 30, 2022, 08:34:19 pm
Difference between me and Obama is we're both moderates but he's a weak b!tch bought off by corporations who control America who lies every moment of the day and is afraid to offend anyone because he's a weak b!tch.  Being moderate doesn't mean you're for the status quo it means you don't solve problems by using stupid extremist ideas that are so stupid only mentally ill radical morons would think of them.

People who think Obama was a great President have their bar held super low and aren't paying attention beyond his carefully manicured speech that are all lies to soothe the masses while he goes behind the curtain and f**ks them.  Obama supporters are naive idiots who believe everything they are told if Jimmy Kimmel, Oprah, Ellen seems to agree with it.  Bunch of mainstream liberal sheep the lot of them.

Democrats are going to lose the midterms because they nominated a walking corpse with dementia who nominated some dumb mouthy b!tch as his VP because she was a black woman.  Americans don't know WTF to do so they gonna elect Adolf Hitler again so he can burn everybody in an oven and just end it all.

Meanwhile the average Chinese person is 8x smarter than Elon Musk because they just gonna let him spend gazillions to invent a bunch of trendy tech toys and steal all his ideas and sell it back to Americans for cheap on Amazon and get rich while eating dead bats for breakfast and laughing all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 30, 2022, 09:34:37 pm
Democrats will lose because of the stupid undemocratic system where a vote for a senator in Wyoming is worth 68x more than a vote for a senator in California.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 30, 2022, 09:54:32 pm
Democrats will lose because of the stupid undemocratic system where a vote for a senator in Wyoming is worth 68x more than a vote for a senator in California.

It was designed that way on purpose so smaller states aren't totally dominated by large ones.   The country was founded as a union of states.  Why would small states join a political union where they would get totally dominated and have no say?  The House is rep by pop.  Checks and balances.  The Senate is a check on the House.  A law can't pass without the support of the population reps and the states.

The Democrats will lose because Americans want them to lose because Americans are stupid and they deserve everything they get.  Democrat supporters always whine about the system when they lose instead of looking in the mirror.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on April 30, 2022, 11:48:24 pm
It was designed that way on purpose so smaller states aren't totally dominated by large ones.   The country was founded as a union of states.  Why would small states join a political union where they would get totally dominated and have no say?  The House is rep by pop.  Checks and balances.  The Senate is a check on the House.  A law can't pass without the support of the population reps and the states.

The Democrats will lose because Americans want them to lose because Americans are stupid and they deserve everything they get.  Democrat supporters always whine about the system when they lose instead of looking in the mirror.

I think we all know WHY it is the way it is, it doesn't change the fact that (for whatever reason) the end result is a bunch land getting as much clout as people.

Jesus Christ could literally come down from the heavens and run as a democrat and he'd lose because the land loves their red candidates.

Point being, is it really Jesus that's unappealing as you seem to claim or other factors at play?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 30, 2022, 11:50:38 pm
I think we all know WHY it is the way it is, it doesn't change the fact that (for whatever reason) the end result is a bunch land getting as much clout as people.

Jesus Christ could literally come down from the heavens and run as a democrat and he'd lose because the land loves their red candidates.

Point being, is it really Jesus that's unappealing as you seem to claim or other factors at play?

The Democrats control the Senate right now.

Swing constituencies keep voting out incumbents and flipping Congress because Congress sucks.  Good for them I guess.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on May 01, 2022, 12:47:28 am
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Democrats will lose because of the stupid undemocratic system where a vote for a senator in Wyoming is worth 68x more than a vote for a senator in California.
It was designed that way on purpose so smaller states aren't totally dominated by large ones.   The country was founded as a union of states.  Why would small states join a political union where they would get totally dominated and have no say?
Whatever reasons they had for equal representation in the senate, the system does not work anymore.

The disparity in population between states is much greater than it was 2 centuries ago (currently California is >70 times the population of Wyoming... But in 1800, the largest state was only 10 times bigger than the smallest), transportation and communication infrastructure have improved, and governments at different levels are more integrated.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 01, 2022, 01:46:11 am
It was designed that way on purpose so smaller states aren't totally dominated by large ones.   The country was founded as a union of states.  Why would small states join a political union where they would get totally dominated and have no say?
Whatever reasons they had for equal representation in the senate, the system does not work anymore.

The disparity in population between states is much greater than it was 2 centuries ago (currently California is >70 times the population of Wyoming... But in 1800, the largest state was only 10 times bigger than the smallest), transportation and communication infrastructure have improved, and governments at different levels are more integrated.

If the Senate favoured Democrats their supporters wouldn't say a peep.  It's a power grab, the "fairness" argument is what they hide behind.  Every time the Dems lose the electoral college they complain too like sore losers.

And yet the Liberal Party of Canada loses the popular vote the last 2 elections and I hear nobody on the left complaining about it.  That's how you know people don't care about "fairness".  If the CPC won while losing the popular vote we'd never hear the end of the whining.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on May 01, 2022, 03:32:54 am
What parallel universe are you living in where Canadians don’t complain about FPTP? We do that even though our system is actually more fair than the US. At least most our ridings have the same number of people and winner doesn’t take all province to province.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 01, 2022, 06:31:12 am

And yet the Liberal Party of Canada loses the popular vote the last 2 elections and I hear nobody on the left complaining about it.  That's how you know people don't care about "fairness".  If the CPC won while losing the popular vote we'd never hear the end of the whining.
I thought they made an agreement to deal with that. How much of the popular vote did their coalition government get? You never hear CPCers complain about it since.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on May 01, 2022, 12:00:58 pm
And yet the Liberal Party of Canada loses the popular vote the last 2 elections and I hear nobody on the left complaining about it.  That's how you know people don't care about "fairness".  If the CPC won while losing the popular vote we'd never hear the end of the whining.

again, popular vote is for losers... as in loser's lament!

again, yours is a loses lament! Popular vote is for loses! It's a consolation "prize"... like a participation ribbon! Again, the CPC vote numbers were minimally greater than the Liberals: in 2019 ~220K votes greater; in 2021 ~186K votes greater. Those numbers are hardly HUUUUUGE and in relation to other parties and respective provincial outcomes are principally "skewed" by one province - Alberta!

again, WINNERS WIN, LOSERS LAMENT!

again, popular vote means diddlySquat. That being said, as I showed with that 2021 election result graphic, you're pining over a measly ~186,000 votes! What you referred to as a significant amount! LOL!

again: #Trudeau3Peat ... apparently... it's a part of the Brand!
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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 12:03:14 pm
again, popular vote is for losers... as in loser's lament!
Unless it’s a Republican winning without the popular vote.  Then it’s anti-democracy! 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on May 01, 2022, 01:07:16 pm
Unless it’s a Republican winning without the popular vote.  Then it’s anti-democracy! 😂

A Republican has won the popular vote only once in the last 30 years. Relying on archaic systems is the only chance they have, conservatism can’t win on ideology.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 01:21:12 pm
A Republican has won the popular vote only once in the last 30 years. Relying on archaic systems is the only chance they have, conservatism can’t win on ideology.
It’s not anymore archaic than first past the post.  You’re just a hypocrite.  Regardless, campaigns are run differently with the electoral college.  Otherwise campaigns wouldn’t ever leave New York, Florida, Texas and California.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 01, 2022, 02:37:10 pm
Moderates aren't conservatives by definition.  You don't know the difference because you're too busy not letting your kids watch Paw Patrol.  Get better problems stupid.

I hope Donald Trump becomes Emperor so I can hear people cry like losers for the next 80 years about getting their feelings hurt by his tweets that Elon allows him to make, and then California goes full socialist and dies from famines and nobody leaves their houses ever again because they are afraid of everything.

Sometimes I forget that, at the end of the day, you're just as much of a braindead slob as Shiddy. An aggressively stupid person and an **** to boot.

Look at this ahistorical crap for example:

It was designed that way on purpose so smaller states aren't totally dominated by large ones.  The country was founded as a union of states.  Why would small states join a political union where they would get totally dominated and have no say?

The electoral college had nothing to do with protecting small states, as evidenced by the fact that the framers initially gave more electoral votes to states with higher populations. Read a book, idiot.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 02:42:12 pm
The electoral college had nothing to do with protecting small states, as evidenced by the fact that the framers initially gave more electoral votes to states with higher populations. Read a book, idiot.
God you’re stupid.  There’s nothing funnier than somebody dumb as bricks thinking they’re actually really smart.  But hey, genius, states with larger populations DO get more electoral votes.  😂🤣🤣🤣
F’ing moron.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 01, 2022, 02:47:37 pm
It’s not anymore archaic than first past the post.  You’re just a hypocrite.  Regardless, campaigns are run differently with the electoral college.  Otherwise campaigns wouldn’t ever leave New York, Florida, Texas and California.

Yeah now they never leave Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Wisconsin, which makes a lot more sense.

It's wild that there are more than 9 million Republican voters in California and New York and millions more in other Blues states whose votes count for nothing, but the Republican party doesn't care about them
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 01, 2022, 02:49:38 pm
God you’re stupid.  There’s nothing funnier than somebody dumb as bricks thinking they’re actually really smart.  But hey, genius, states with larger populations DO get more electoral votes. 😂🤣🤣🤣
F’ing moron.

Yeah that's literally what I said, sh*t for brains.

The point, retard, is if the electoral college was about protecting small states, giving large states more votes and thus more power is a weird way to do it, you imbecile.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on May 01, 2022, 03:56:22 pm
The senate is 50/50 but the Democrat 50 represent over 41 million more people. That’s even worse than electoral college.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 01, 2022, 04:44:50 pm
If the Senate favoured Democrats their supporters wouldn't say a peep.  It's a power grab, the "fairness" argument is what they hide behind.  Every time the Dems lose the electoral college they complain too like sore losers.

You mean if the system was actually fair then the people currently getting jobbed by the unfair system wouldn't complain? Wow, that's some real penetrating insight.

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And yet the Liberal Party of Canada loses the popular vote the last 2 elections and I hear nobody on the left complaining about it.  That's how you know people don't care about "fairness". If the CPC won while losing the popular vote we'd never hear the end of the whining.

It's hard to tell if you're intentionally ignorant or just spectacularly ill-informed.  Electoral reform has been a plank in the NDP's platform in at least the last two elections.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 05:35:30 pm
Yeah that's literally what I said, sh*t for brains.

The point, retard, is if the electoral college was about protecting small states, giving large states more votes and thus more power is a weird way to do it, you imbecile.
It’s only weird for people that are too dumb to understand.  It’s actually quite logical.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 05:37:07 pm
Yeah now they never leave Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Wisconsin, which makes a lot more sense.

It's wild that there are more than 9 million Republican voters in California and New York and millions more in other Blues states whose votes count for nothing, but the Republican party doesn't care about them
New Hampshire, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Minnesota.  But whatever.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 01, 2022, 05:38:32 pm
It’s only weird for people that are too dumb to understand.  It’s actually quite logical.
You should try to explain it. You never have the guts to do that anymore. It would be fun.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 05:39:28 pm
The senate is 50/50 but the Democrat 50 represent over 41 million more people. That’s even worse than electoral college.
You don’t understand the purpose of the senate.  That’s ok, most ignorant Canadians don’t.  The House of Representatives allocated number of seats based on population.  That’s not how the senate works. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 05:40:37 pm
You should try to explain it. You never have the guts to do that anymore. It would be fun.
Huh?  Use Google if you’re unsure.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 01, 2022, 05:45:19 pm
Huh?  Use Google if you’re unsure.
I'm quite sure. That's why I want you to explain. It will be hilarious because you're so stupid.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 01, 2022, 06:59:52 pm
You mean if the system was actually fair then the people currently getting jobbed by the unfair system wouldn't complain? Wow, that's some real penetrating insight.

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Don't put words in my mouth.  Also, see below.

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It's hard to tell if you're intentionally ignorant or just spectacularly ill-informed.  Electoral reform has been a plank in the NDP's platform in at least the last two elections.

Yeah and it was on Trudeau's Liberal platform and then he won a majority and it magically disappeared because it serves their interests, which only proves my point.  If you want to call me names you better back it up.

Maybe now since the NDP has some power federally they will make electoral reform happen.  BAHAHAHAHA.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 01, 2022, 07:19:22 pm
For the unhinged out there, here's an interview with Musk from 2 weeks ago after he made his bid to buy Twitter about what he's going to do it:

https://youtu.be/cdZZpaB2kDM?t=700

Coles Notes:  Make the algorithm open source so everyone can see it and make suggestions to improve it, remove secret shadowbans and secret promotion of certain tweets and make everything transparent, and the rules will mostly be "if its legal you can post it".  Any moderation will be transparent and people will know exactly why they are suspended etc.  Also, going get rid of bots.  If the bid fails he has a plan B which he won't reveal.  No mention of Trump.

Says he is obsessed with truth.  Says that's why he went into physics, because the rules of the universe are objectively true and they should be discovered.  Says twitter is now the defacto public square and people shouldn't be secretly manipulating it behind the scenes subjectively, it should be fair and transparent.  Says he will not be personally moderating content, ideally it will be done by an open-source AI algorithm.

Says he is for free speech and people should be able to post anything as long as its legal in the jurisdiction they are posting in.  Says the test for free speech is "If a person you hate says something you hate and they're still allowed to speak, then free speech exists".
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 01, 2022, 07:44:24 pm
It's an improvement then.  Sounds like it.

Was it on this board where somebody was accusing me of being against Musk ?  Was it Shady ?

So weird.  Why would anyone care which psychopath is in charge of this thing. 

BTW it could be wiped out by a single new product.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on May 01, 2022, 08:44:37 pm
BTW it could be wiped out by a single new product.

None of the right wing social media sites ever took off because all the RWNJ's did was abuse everyone. They go on about bias, but it goes both ways, I've even been temporarily suspended for breaking twitter rules and I'm generally a pretty civil poster.

Moderation is needed, Musk is an idiot to pretend otherwise. If twitter ends up another Gettr or Truth Social, it'll be a very expensive mistake for Musk.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 09:50:06 pm
It's an improvement then.  Sounds like it.

Was it on this board where somebody was accusing me of being against Musk ?  Was it Shady ?

So weird.  Why would anyone care which psychopath is in charge of this thing. 

BTW it could be wiped out by a single new product.
Not at all.  You raised concern about a billionaire buying this particular media.  I just wondered where your concern was when other billionaires bought or owned similar media.  I found you to be somewhat inconsistent.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 09:54:41 pm
None of the right wing social media sites ever took off because all the RWNJ's did was abuse everyone. They go on about bias, but it goes both ways, I've even been temporarily suspended for breaking twitter rules and I'm generally a pretty civil poster.

Moderation is needed, Musk is an idiot to pretend otherwise. If twitter ends up another Gettr or Truth Social, it'll be a very expensive mistake for Musk.
Musk isn’t against moderation.  You’ve been misinformed.  Regardless other platforms that were attempted but never achieved much success like Parlor etc, was because they were deplatformed by Amazon and Apple in particular.  Apple took these apps out of their App Store.  Which was another example of big tech trying to silence conservatives or any differing opinions.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 01, 2022, 09:56:40 pm
This is why it was so important that Elon Musk bought Twitter.

Apple kicks Parler off its app store
Google has also decided to remove the platform from its Play store.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/09/apple-removes-parler-app-store-456918?_amp=true

How anyone can defend this is beyond me.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on May 01, 2022, 10:01:28 pm
This is why it was so important that Elon Musk bought Twitter.


I hate to break it to you, but Apple and Google can do the same to Twitter. Maybe Musk can buy them too, lol.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 02, 2022, 07:59:49 am
How anyone can defend this is beyond me.

It's the implication that has to be considered - not the removal of a **** platform from a private store. 

Are you upset that Indigo Books doesn't sell 'Mein Kampf' but...

https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/search.jsp?Ntt=Mein+Kampf

You can get it at the Toronto Library.

I'm glad people are starting to question PRIVATE OWNERSHIP of discussion spaces.  You yourself seemed to be confused by the objection to that idea, even as you realize the potential problems with it.

 

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 09:26:57 am
New Hampshire, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Minnesota.  But whatever.

Wow more states with a combined population smaller than California's, you're really good at this.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 09:29:55 am
Don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't, you just say dumb **** like the idea that making the system more representative is a "power grab."

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Yeah and it was on Trudeau's Liberal platform and then he won a majority and it magically disappeared because it serves their interests, which only proves my point.  If you want to call me names you better back it up.

If you want to make moronic statements like the left not caring about electoral reform (even though dumping FPTP would inevitably lead to greater representation by the left party) you should back it up.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 09:32:20 am
This is why it was so important that Elon Musk bought Twitter.

Apple kicks Parler off its app store
Google has also decided to remove the platform from its Play store.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/09/apple-removes-parler-app-store-456918?_amp=true

How anyone can defend this is beyond me.

In Shiddy's upside-down universe, the state retaliating against a private company because the corporation voiced disagreement with government policy is good, but a private company deciding what it wants to host on its platform is bad.

What's it like to have absolutely no values?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 12:23:08 pm
Musk isn’t against moderation.  You’ve been misinformed.  Regardless other platforms that were attempted but never achieved much success like Parlor etc, was because they were deplatformed by Amazon and Apple in particular.  Apple took these apps out of their App Store.  Which was another example of big tech trying to silence conservatives or any differing opinions.

lol

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Parler was suspended Saturday after it failed to implement a better moderation plan for posts threatening violence, Apple said.

“We have always supported diverse points of view being represented on the App Store, but there is no place on our platform for threats of violence and illegal activity,” the company said in a statement. “Parler has not taken adequate measures to address the proliferation of these threats to people’s safety. We have suspended Parler from the App Store until they resolve these issues.”

Google similarly decided on Friday to remove the platform from its Play Store for failing to address posts that encouraged violence. The companies’ decisions to pull the platform come just days after a Pro-Trump mob stormed the U.S. Capitol and threats of similar actions ahead of President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration proliferated on the site.

Apple on Friday had given Parler 24 hours to implement a moderation plan for its content, Buzzfeed reported. But in a letter to the site on Saturday, Apple wrote that Parler had failed to “moderate or prevent the spread of dangerous and illegal content.”

Parler has not upheld its commitment to moderate and remove harmful or dangerous content encouraging violence and illegal activity, and is not in compliance with the App Store Review Guidelines,” Apple wrote.

every fuckin time

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 02, 2022, 02:38:18 pm
lol

every fuckin time

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Those Paw Patrol neoliberals deserve everything they get!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 02:44:51 pm
Those Paw Patrol neoliberals deserve everything they get!

The next time you say something smart will be the first.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 02, 2022, 03:17:49 pm
lol

every fuckin time

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People have been banned on Twitter for asserting that men can get pregnant.  They were banned for sharing the Hunter Biden laptop story.  They were banned for talking about the lab leak theory.  Stop pushing your bullsh*t narratives.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 03:29:31 pm
People have been banned on Twitter for asserting that men can get pregnant.  They were banned for sharing the Hunter Biden laptop story.  They were banned for talking about the lab leak theory.  Stop pushing your bullsh*t narratives.

If anyone is pushing a narrative here it's you, the guy who keeps making claims without evidence or claims that are actually refuted by the evidence you provided (like the Parler example here).

Anyway the free speech defender act doesn't really work for you since you're on record as favouring the state banning books, banning what types of things teachers can say in the classroom and for punishing corporations for disagreeing with the government.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 02, 2022, 03:46:48 pm
If anyone is pushing a narrative here it's you, the guy who keeps making claims without evidence or claims that are actually refuted by the evidence you provided (like the Parler example here).

Anyway the free speech defender act doesn't really work for you since you're on record as favouring the state banning books, banning what types of things teachers can say in the classroom and for punishing corporations for disagreeing with the government.
Complete and utter nonsense.  I’m not for banning any books for adults.  However, when groomers like you try to indoctrinate young children, some measures have to be taken, because your side can be pretty disgusting when it comes to kids.  Besides, there is no right to teach whatever you want to children in a classroom.  Only groomers think that way.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 03:53:08 pm
Complete and utter nonsense.  I’m not for banning any books for adults. However  when groomers like you try to indoctrinate young children, some measures have to be taken, because your side can be pretty disgusting when it comes to kids.  Besides, there is no right to teach whatever you want to children in a classroom.  Only groomers think that way.

So you agree that you are in favour of using the power of the state to ban books and restrict speech if you disagree with the contents of said speech. lol.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 02, 2022, 04:09:08 pm
The next time you say something smart will be the first.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 04:24:47 pm
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I guess since Shiddy announced he's taking a break you've decided to fill in as class retard. Weird choice, but you do you Mr. Blackface.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 02, 2022, 04:28:37 pm
I guess since Shiddy announced he's taking a break you've decided to fill in as class retard. Weird choice, but you do you Mr. Blackface.
Mr. Blackface?  What does the Prime Minister have to do with this?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 02, 2022, 04:32:28 pm
I guess since Shiddy announced he's taking a break you've decided to fill in as class retard. Weird choice, but you do you Mr. Blackface.

More like Shady is leaving so you need someone to verbally abuse.  I suggest instead going for a jog to get out your angst.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 04:36:49 pm
More like Shady is leaving so you need someone to verbally abuse.  I suggest instead going for a jog to get out your angst.

I suggest you remember who initiated this exchange and then go eat **** and die
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 04:38:33 pm
Mr. Blackface?  What does the Prime Minister have to do with this?

Why are you still here? I thought you were flouncing off on a sex tourism trip to Thailand.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 02, 2022, 04:49:30 pm
I suggest you remember who initiated this exchange and then go eat **** and die

OMG here come the death wishes.  Shady don't be long fella!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on May 02, 2022, 06:39:00 pm
OMG here come the death wishes.  Shady don't be long fella!

Ewww, have some self respect.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 02, 2022, 07:48:55 pm
Ewww, have some self respect.

He's a good human shield apparently.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 08:20:50 pm
He's a good human shield apparently.

You could try not being a moron, that might help shield you from abuse.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 02, 2022, 08:50:26 pm
You could try not being a moron, that might help shield you from abuse.

Sounds like anti-nipple discrimination.

This is going to go on for a few page isn't it?  See you miss Shady already.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 03, 2022, 01:07:06 am
Sounds like anti-nipple discrimination.

This is going to go on for a few page isn't it?
  See you miss Shady already.

You could also just leave the board, you don't add anything anyway and would not be missed.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on May 06, 2022, 05:48:29 pm
Elon is getting sued by the Twitter shareholders. I am kind of enjoying my break from Twitter, not sure I want to go back if the sale falls through.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 09, 2022, 11:59:16 am
Here's  (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523654106745020418)Musky replying to a right wing conspiracy nut and pledging that Twitter under him will comply with any state censorship regime. So much for the "free speech absolutists" pose.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on May 09, 2022, 12:21:42 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/YO97CBH.gif)

c'mon Elon... gitErDone - bring back Trumpy! Donald Trump’s Twitter ban lawsuit... dismissed! (https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/6/23060642/california-judge-dismisses-trump-twitter-ban-lawsuit-first-amendment-section-230) - "the order dismisses Trump’s claims that Twitter violated the First Amendment and rejects a claim that Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is unconstitutional."

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 09, 2022, 02:53:54 pm
Here's  (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523654106745020418)Musky replying to a right wing conspiracy nut and pledging that Twitter under him will comply with any state censorship regime. So much for the "free speech absolutists" pose.

I haven't heard him yet talk about complying with state laws.  He has said Twitter will comply with the laws of the country where the user is from.

I wonder how he'll handle countries with iron fisted censorship propoganda like China etc. Hasn't Twitter been used for protesting human rights in these types of countries?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 09, 2022, 02:58:24 pm
I haven't heard him yet talk about complying with state laws.  He has said Twitter will comply with the laws of the country where the user is from.

I was talking about "states" as in "nations" not "states in the U.S.A".

Quote
I wonder how he'll handle countries with iron fisted censorship propoganda like China etc. Hasn't Twitter been used for protesting human rights in these types of countries?

He'll absolutely go along with them. Hell, Saudia Arabia is helping him buy Twitter, do you think he'll bite the hand that feeds him?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 09, 2022, 03:10:44 pm
Well I guess at least Twitter won't be banned in these countries lol.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 09, 2022, 03:20:33 pm
Well I guess at least Twitter won't be banned in these countries lol.

Yup (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musks-business-ties-china-draw-scrutiny-twitter-purchase-rcna26057)

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China is Tesla’s second-largest market, responsible for producing around half its cars and generating more than a quarter of its revenue. In 2019, Tesla became the first foreign automaker to open an independent factory in China, which was recently selected by Shanghai authorities as one of 600 businesses that could reopen during a Covid lockdown in the city. Tesla secured roughly $1.6 billion in loans from Chinese banks to finance the project, and has also received a $1.8 billion investment from Tencent, one of China’s largest tech companies.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 09, 2022, 03:50:34 pm
Hey i found out why Shiddy is taking a  break, he's recovering from getting his new tattoo:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSAtKzUVUAcdJm_?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 10, 2022, 08:18:53 pm
Dumb:

https://nationalpost.com/news/free-speech-absolutist-musk-says-he-would-reverse-twitter-ban-on-donald-trump
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 10, 2022, 09:06:50 pm
Doesn't Trump have a competitor?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 11, 2022, 09:47:28 am
Dumb:

https://nationalpost.com/news/free-speech-absolutist-musk-says-he-would-reverse-twitter-ban-on-donald-trump

He really is a very stupid person when it comes to these things.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on May 13, 2022, 12:00:58 pm
It was apparent from day two or three that he just wanted publicity.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/13/1098741154/elon-musk-twitter-deal-hold-pause
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 13, 2022, 12:14:38 pm
Couldn't have anything to do with this maybe?

Quote
The drop comes as tech stocks have been battered on Wall Street amid a broader sell-off. Shares in Tesla, which account for the bulk of Musk's wealth, had lost nearly 30% of their value in the last month as of Thursday's close. On Friday, Tesla stock was up nearly 8%.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 18, 2022, 05:12:08 pm
Oh look, the billionaire dipshit would rather support an openly fascist party than the one that's pro-labour. (https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1526965699805069313?s=20)

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on May 18, 2022, 08:32:51 pm
Oh look, the billionaire dipshit would rather support an openly fascist party than the one that's pro-labour. (https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1526965699805069313?s=20)

It's good that he is out of the closet.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 18, 2022, 10:03:17 pm
Oh look, the billionaire dipshit would rather support an openly fascist party than the one that's pro-labour. (https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1526965699805069313?s=20)

I guess mega billionaires get red-pilled when unions and Democrats try to take their money through taxes and wages.  I'm not saying its wrong, in fact I definitely side with the unions and social programs over Musk, i'm just saying is all.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 19, 2022, 09:36:02 am
I guess mega billionaires get red-pilled when unions and Democrats try to take their money through taxes and wages.  I'm not saying its wrong, in fact I definitely side with the unions and social programs over Musk, i'm just saying is all.

It certainly indicates all the complaining about wokeness was just cover for a basic greed.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 20, 2022, 09:51:51 am
When he announced he was voting Republican, Musk tweeted about the Dems "watch their dirty tricks campaign unfold" which sounded like a guy trying to get ahead of a story. Well, here's the story:

A SpaceX flight attendant said Elon Musk exposed himself and propositioned her for sex, documents show. The company paid $250,000 for her silence.
 (http://businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5)

This also made me lul:
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"If I were inclined to engage in sexual harassment, this is unlikely to be the first time in my entire 30-year career that it comes to light," he wrote.

Meanwhile:
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In October 2017, The New York Times and The New Yorker reported that dozens of women had accused Harvey Weinstein of ****, sexual assault and sexual abuse over a period of at least 30 years.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 20, 2022, 10:36:31 am
Looking more and more like he'll be $40B poorer and not even get to buy the Twitter app. Does his reputation recover among investors...especially those investors who didn't lose everything in crypto?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 13, 2022, 03:21:09 pm
Elon Musk’s regulatory woes mount as U.S. moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software
 (https://fortune.com/2022/06/10/elon-musk-tesla-nhtsa-investigation-traffic-safety-autonomous-fsd-fatal-probe/)

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U.S. authorities are escalating and expanding a probe into Tesla’s controversial automated driving feature in a move that could prompt a mandatory recall.

On Thursday, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, an agency under the guidance of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, said it would be expanding a probe and look into 830,000 Tesla cars across all four current model lines, 11% more vehicles than they were previously examining.
...
Initially the probe started last year in response to Tesla vehicles mysteriously plowing into the scene of an existing accident where first responders were already present.

On Thursday, NHTSA said it had discovered in 16 separate instances when this occurred that Autopilot “aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact,” suggesting the driver was not prepared to assume full control over the vehicle.

CEO Elon Musk has often claimed that accidents cannot be the fault of the company, as data it extracted invariably showed Autopilot was not active in the moment of the collision.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 13, 2022, 05:18:35 pm
I'm beginning to think you don't like him
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 14, 2022, 09:57:45 am
I'm beginning to think you don't like him

And?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on June 14, 2022, 11:50:15 am
Hatred! Hatred!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on June 14, 2022, 12:33:12 pm
if only 'Elon Shady' was back... to help explain this tweet!

(https://i.imgur.com/XCdTEZe.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on June 14, 2022, 12:35:42 pm
June 6 - Elon Musk threatens to walk away from Twitter deal (https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/tech/elon-musk-twitter-spam/index.html)

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Elon Musk issued his most direct threat yet to walk away from his purchase of Twitter (TWTR) on Monday, openly accusing the social media company of breaching the merger agreement by not providing the data he has requested on spam and fake accounts.

In a letter to Twitter's head of legal, policy and trust, Vijaya Gadde, Musk alleged that Twitter is "actively resisting and thwarting his information rights" as outlined by the deal.

"This is a clear material breach of Twitter's obligations under the merger agreement and Mr. Musk reserves all rights resulting therefrom, including his right not to consummate the transaction and his right to terminate the merger agreement," an attorney representing Musk wrote to the company.

Musk has demanded that Twitter turn over information about its testing methodologies to support its claims that bots and fake accounts constitute less than 5% of the platform's active user base, a figure the company has consistently stated for years in boilerplate public disclosures. Musk has also called for doing his own independent assessment based on Twitter data.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 14, 2022, 10:23:06 pm
Nah he just lost money with the markets and got cold feet
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on June 14, 2022, 10:47:01 pm
Nah he just lost money with the markets and got cold feet

Yup, since their peak in April, Twitter stock is down 70% and Tesla is down 60%.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 14, 2022, 11:21:19 pm
Yup, since their peak in April, Twitter stock is down 70% and Tesla is down 60%.

I guess his bid is very outdated.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on July 08, 2022, 05:25:12 pm
This thread is dedicated to all things Elon Musk.  He's probably the most influential person in the world today.  He's a proponent of free speech, developer of electric vehicle technology, and a researcher and developer of space exploration.  All things that are significantly important to our society today.

June 6 - Elon Musk threatens to walk away from Twitter deal (https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/tech/elon-musk-twitter-spam/index.html)
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Elon Musk issued his most direct threat yet to walk away from his purchase of Twitter (TWTR) on Monday, openly accusing the social media company of breaching the merger agreement by not providing the data he has requested on spam and fake accounts.

In a letter to Twitter's head of legal, policy and trust, Vijaya Gadde, Musk alleged that Twitter is "actively resisting and thwarting his information rights" as outlined by the deal.

"This is a clear material breach of Twitter's obligations under the merger agreement and Mr. Musk reserves all rights resulting therefrom, including his right not to consummate the transaction and his right to terminate the merger agreement," an attorney representing Musk wrote to the company.

Musk has demanded that Twitter turn over information about its testing methodologies to support its claims that bots and fake accounts constitute less than 5% of the platform's active user base, a figure the company has consistently stated for years in boilerplate public disclosures. Musk has also called for doing his own independent assessment based on Twitter data.

(https://i.imgur.com/VJojxjr.gif)
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July 8, 2022 at 4:00 p.m. MDT
Elon Musk said he’s terminating his $44 billion agreement to acquire Twitter Inc. and take it private, saying the company has made “misleading representations” over the number of spam bots on the service.

Twitter hasn’t “complied with its contractual obligations” to provide information about how to assess how prevalent the bots are on the social media service, Musk said Friday in a letter to Twitter as part of a regulatory filing


(https://i.imgur.com/561Dt9k.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on July 09, 2022, 12:42:50 am
My Twitter deactivation only lasted about 3-4 days. It was obvious pretty much right away he’s just in it for the publicity.

Now he gets taken to the cleaners and shady has to call himself something new.

Thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on July 11, 2022, 01:49:04 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXW4J4xXgAAXFKs?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 11, 2022, 01:51:53 pm
Ok.... so ELon is smart after all ?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on July 11, 2022, 02:09:10 pm
Ok.... so ELon is smart after all ?

Guess the court will decide, not social media.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 11, 2022, 03:09:10 pm
Good thing we didn't make that bet eh Black Dogg?  LOL!

Oh hey turns out I was right again. lol
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 11, 2022, 07:43:51 pm
Ok.... so ELon is smart after all ?

Not really on this.  He doesn't want to buy twitter at the bid he made because the markets have sank the last few months, and twitter now wants him to buy them out because the bid is worth much more than the stocks are now worth.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on July 11, 2022, 07:50:08 pm
He waived due diligence so it’ll be difficult to go the bot route.

I feel bad for all the people holding Twitter shares. They became collateral damage for Musk’s power trip.

Best joke I read on all this: he’s now gonna buy Truth Social and call it Qwitter.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on July 11, 2022, 08:37:22 pm
I think it would be funnier than hell if he was forced to go through with the deal. He deserves it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 12, 2022, 07:51:44 am
All of this is actually a giant waste of time and resources, fighting to own the public speech.

In a truly humane world we would all be heartbroken by it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on July 12, 2022, 10:42:56 am
whaaaa! Trump calling Musk a 'bullshyte artist'! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1546526538874617856/pu/vid/720x720/dZOHbFkKf4Opyp6e.mp4?tag=12)

(https://i.imgur.com/IzkOYxj.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 12, 2022, 11:23:31 am
Twitter wasn’t even a thing a few years ago.  Twitter is not “the public speech”.

What is?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 12, 2022, 12:06:53 pm
Whatever it is, it’s not a platform owned by a private company with a particular set of rules governing what you can or can’t say on it.

Hmmmm...

Sounds like television though.  Let's see:

Platform ?  Check
Private ? Check
Content is managed ? Check

See - I think more big picture when it comes to publics...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 12, 2022, 02:10:18 pm
1. Your thoughts on TV are irrelevant. 

2. How could you consider Twitter to be “the public speech” when it’s privately owned and you have to agree to particular terms to post there which would be considered an infringement of the freedom of expression in the context of actual “public speech”? 

3. Just because it’s popular?
1. I beg forgiveness my liege.
2. I consider a fight for Twitter to be a fight for the public speech platform, to control the public speech.  It doesn't matter if it's private when people talk on it and it frames the public conversation.   
3. Kind of, yes.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 12, 2022, 02:43:55 pm
2 - by its very definition, it’s not “the public speech”.

You're getting hung up on public/private.

"The" public doesn't turn to "public" media whenever there's an issue to be discussed.  "Public" issues are primarily discussed on private media, in person and so on.

If you want to be pedantic and squabble about that, then I will just concede or say whatever I need to make you move past it....
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 12, 2022, 02:44:53 pm
2 - by its very definition, it’s not “the public speech”.
Many consider it to be a public utility.  It’s the new town square, and it exists because it gets special exemptions in the law from the government.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 12, 2022, 02:46:10 pm
Not really on this.  He doesn't want to buy twitter at the bid he made because the markets have sank the last few months, and twitter now wants him to buy them out because the bid is worth much more than the stocks are now worth.
He’s going to end up buying it for a much lower price.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 12, 2022, 02:47:53 pm
Many consider it to be a public utility.  It’s the new town square, and it exists because it gets special exemptions in the law from the government.

This is also true.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on July 12, 2022, 03:05:40 pm
He’s going to end up buying it for a much lower price.
Maybe he can buy it with crypto....D'oh!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 12, 2022, 03:42:05 pm
Many consider it to be a public utility.  It’s the new town square, and it exists because it gets special exemptions in the law from the government.

It's none of these things lmao.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 12, 2022, 04:34:48 pm
Ok…. But it’s a “public square” that can tell you what you can, or cannot, say.

This is the problem.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 12, 2022, 04:35:12 pm
This is the problem.

Why?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on July 12, 2022, 08:17:49 pm
The only problem is that people actually think that Twitter is the public sphere. It’s not.  There is no ‘free expression’, despite the illusion.
It's freer expression than humans have ever had. Yes, you still might get banned for inciting murderous riots. But there have always been consequences for that.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 13, 2022, 05:42:59 am
Why?
Because gatekeepers will limit the discussion to what THEY want discussed.  Through algorithms.

I posted about a group that rates retail chains on their labour ethics.  This was on Facebook.  I can't say whether it appeared on my friends' news feeds, but I got very few likes.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on July 13, 2022, 05:47:11 am
You are missing the algorithm...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 13, 2022, 09:42:23 am
Is it much different than a popular news media outlet that chooses what stories to publish on the first page?  240 characters... that's like just publishing headlines and maybe a caption.

Information is always been controlled and manipulated.

Someone make a non-profit open source platform where nothing is censored except that which is illegal.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 13, 2022, 09:57:33 am
Because gatekeepers will limit the discussion to what THEY want discussed.  Through algorithms.

I posted about a group that rates retail chains on their labour ethics.  This was on Facebook.  I can't say whether it appeared on my friends' news feeds, but I got very few likes.

As NvG said, it's ever been thus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjENnyQupow
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on July 13, 2022, 10:07:06 am
The Trump-Elan feud is hilarious, but I don't know whose side to take.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1546994146904313858?t=7Mf8DSV6AZxr9RVsv5WcTA&s=09
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 13, 2022, 10:34:50 am
The Trump-Elan feud is hilarious, but I don't know whose side to take.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1546994146904313858?t=7Mf8DSV6AZxr9RVsv5WcTA&s=09

I hate to say it but Musk is out of his depth here when it comes to being a catty b*tch online.

(https://i.gifer.com/5aiU.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 13, 2022, 12:22:20 pm
Donald Trump, king of the trolls.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 14, 2022, 05:12:26 pm
Elon is correct.  It’s time for Donald Trump to retire.  He had his chance and did some good, but it’s over now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 14, 2022, 05:14:20 pm
Btw, I had to do some clean up and remove several of the squidiot’s posts.  He’s banned from my threads, and he knows it.  Sorry for any inconvenience.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 15, 2022, 03:42:20 pm
Jesus Christ, no wonder the guy is such a headcase, his dad's a bona fide groomer.

Elon Musk’s dad, 76, confirms secret second child — with his stepdaughte
 (https://nypost.com/2022/07/14/elon-musks-dad-76-confirms-secret-child-with-stepdaughter/amp/)

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The Musk patriarch, 76, welcomed the baby girl with Jana, 35, back in 2019 — but only confirmed the news on Wednesday, bragging to the Sun: “The only thing we are on Earth for is to reproduce.”

The two already share a 5-year-old boy, Elliot Rush, born in 2017.
..
Errol — who is a wealthy South African engineer — married model Maye Haldeman Musk in 1970, with whom he had three children: Elon, Kimbal and Tosca.

The couple split in 1979, before Errol went on to wed Heide Bezuidenhout, a young widow who already had two children, including Jana.

Errol and Heide had two biological children together, but he also helped raise Jana, who was just 4 years old when he became her stepfather. Errol and Heide eventually divorced after an 18-year marriage.


Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 16, 2022, 05:34:16 pm
Elon is one of the most intelligent pieces of sh!t society has ever known.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on July 18, 2022, 11:50:43 am
Reuters - July 15: Elon Musk seeks to block Twitter request for expedited trial (https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-seeks-block-twitters-request-expedited-trial-wsj-2022-07-15/)

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Elon Musk filed a motion on Friday opposing Twitter Inc's (TWTR.N) request to fast-track a trial over his plan to terminate his $44 billion deal for the social media firm.

Musk's lawyers, in papers filed with the Delaware Chancery Court, said Twitter's "unjustifiable request" to rush the merger case to trial in two months should be rejected.

It is the latest move in what promises to be a major legal showdown between Twitter and Musk. The San Francisco-based company is seeking to resolve months of uncertainty for its business as Musk tries to walk away from the deal for what he says is Twitter’s "spam bot" problem.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 19, 2022, 12:15:32 pm
Hey Shiddy, I found your new Elon profile pic:

(https://englishtribuneimages.blob.core.windows.net/gallary-content/2022/7/2022_7$largeimg_667477229.jpg)

Man literally looks like a maggot lmao.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on July 19, 2022, 12:56:42 pm
Great. Now I can't see anymore because you made me gouge out my eyes.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 19, 2022, 01:05:27 pm
Great. Now I can't see anymore because you made me gouge out my eyes.

That wasn't even the worst pic, there's another one where he's getting hosed off like an overheated hippo at the zoo.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 19, 2022, 02:45:22 pm
Elon better put sun lotion on those nipples.

Love,
Nipples
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on August 12, 2022, 10:04:07 am
Great takedown of the bloated scammer here (https://time.com/6203815/elon-musk-flaws-billionaire-visions/).

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A much more sustainable alternative to mass ownership of electric vehicles is to get people out of cars altogether—that entails making serious investments to create more reliable public transit networks, building out cycling infrastructure so people can safely ride a bike, and revitalizing the rail network after decades of underinvestment. But Musk has continually tried to stand in the way of such alternatives.

He has a history of floating false solutions to the drawbacks of our over-reliance on cars that stifle efforts to give people other options. The Boring Company was supposed to solve traffic, not be the Las Vegas amusement ride it is now. As I’ve written in my book, Musk admitted to his biographer Ashlee Vance that Hyperloop was all about trying to get legislators to cancel plans for high-speed rail in California—even though he had no plans to build.
...
For years, Elon Musk sold us fantasies to distract from the reality of the future he’s trying to build, and to get people to accept his growing belligerence. What we really need right now is not more cars, colonization dreams, and technokings, but a collective project to improve the lives of billions of people around the world while taking on the immediate challenges we face regardless of whether it generates corporate profits. That’s something Elon Musk can never deliver.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 26, 2022, 04:56:19 pm
SpaceX to eliminate cellphone dead zones.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-26/how-musk-spacex-tmobile-plan-to-kill-off-cellphone-dead-zones-across-the-u-s?_amp=true

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on August 26, 2022, 09:59:19 pm
SpaceX to eliminate cellphone dead zones.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-26/how-musk-spacex-tmobile-plan-to-kill-off-cellphone-dead-zones-across-the-u-s?_amp=true

Oh boy another Elon Musk promise lmao
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on August 30, 2022, 12:02:52 pm
Nothing I can think of more sad and pathetic than low-level service industry employees worshipping billionaires.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on August 31, 2022, 11:37:57 pm
Great takedown of the bloated scammer here (https://time.com/6203815/elon-musk-flaws-billionaire-visions/).

lmao devastating takedown. I'm sure that Elon will never recover.

Paris Marx' criticisms of Musk businesses are essentially as follows:

 -Tesla has similar quality and price issues as pretty much every other manufacturer on the planet, and is not a proletariat utopia.
 -The Boring Company has failed to change the world in just 5 years
 -StarLink is bad because aboriginal people feel sad because the satellites offend the Great Raven Spirit.

In regard to Mx Marx's criticisms of The Boring Company: 
 -if The Boring Company can deliver a way to do boring (the actual act of drilling tunnels under cities) in a significantly more cost-effective way than currently possible, it has the potential to dramatically change how we do mass transit in cities (and even between cities).
 -if The Boring Company can not deliver a way to do boring (the actual act of drilling tunnels under cities) in a significantly more cost-effective way than currently possible, it has no potential to change anything.
 -it all comes down to the actual BORING part. If they can create technology that dramatically changes the economics of BORING, then it's a game-changer for mass transit, and if they can't create technology that dramatically changes the economics of BORING, then The Boring Company has nothing to offer.

In regarm to Mx Marx' criticism of StarLink:
 -I literally could not care less if American Indians feel offended that satellites are blocking their communion with the Great Raven Spirit. **** OFF. WHO GIVES A ****.
 -if you're upset that a satellite is blocking your view of The Great Beyond, WAIT A PICOSECOND and it will be gone. **** YOU. SHUT THE **** UP.
 -GO CRY IN YOUR SWEAT LODGE YOU **** CRYBABY.
 -**** YOU.
 -providing remote areas with communications access is a game changer.
 -it's especially a game-changer for aboriginal people in the far north, like the ones Mx Marx pretends they are sticking up for.

In regards to Mx Marx' criticisms of Tesla:
 -Tesla's product costs more than they originally promised. lmao, so does every other manufacturer's product.
 -Tesla's product has quality control issues. lmao, so does every other manufacturer's product.
 -Tesla's factory has reportedly had issues of racism. lmao, so does every other manufacturer's factory.
 -Musk has been the single most significant figure in transforming the electric vehicle from a technological oddity to a mainstream technology that has been embraced by both consumers and competitors and by governments themselves.

Mx Marx' issue with Tesla is not with build quality or working conditions at the factory. Their issue with Tesla is the concept of "automobility" (to borrow Mx Marx' term) itself. This is quite clear in Marx' column.  Marx' real objection to Tesla is that Tesla has given "automobility" a new lease on life. People like Marx can no longer attack "automobility" simply by attacking pollution and carbon emissions, which is frustrating for people like Marx, because now they have to attack the concept of "automobility" itself. They have to make the case that you being able to own and operate a vehicle is a bad thing even if you aren't creating greenhouse gases or pollution.

And I hope that Mx Marx will take up that challenge. I hope that Mx Marx will run for office. Or perhaps some other politician will run for office on the platform of fighting "automobility".  Bring it on, punk.

  -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 31, 2022, 11:45:23 pm
I had to Google the issues that indigenous peoples have with wrecking their constellations…. I had no idea this was a thing.  What a joke.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 09:44:23 am
lmao devastating takedown. I'm sure that Elon will never recover.

Thank goodness he has people like you to white knight for him for free.

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Paris Marx' criticisms of Musk businesses are essentially as follows:

 -Tesla has similar quality and price issues as pretty much every other manufacturer on the planet, and is not a proletariat utopia.
 -The Boring Company has failed to change the world in just 5 years
 -StarLink is bad because aboriginal people feel sad because the satellites offend the Great Raven Spirit.

No those are strawmen.

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In regard to Mx Marx's criticisms of The Boring Company: 
 -if The Boring Company can deliver a way to do boring (the actual act of drilling tunnels under cities) in a significantly more cost-effective way than currently possible, it has the potential to dramatically change how we do mass transit in cities (and even between cities).
 -if The Boring Company can not deliver a way to do boring (the actual act of drilling tunnels under cities) in a significantly more cost-effective way than currently possible, it has no potential to change anything.
 -it all comes down to the actual BORING part. If they can create technology that dramatically changes the economics of BORING, then it's a game-changer for mass transit, and if they can't create technology that dramatically changes the economics of BORING, then The Boring Company has nothing to offer.

None of this is actually expressed in any form in the article, I'm wondering if you are reading the same one as me. The argument is the boring company isn't going to change anything because Elon Musk isn't actually interested in changing anything or improving public transportation. Elon likes things that get people to pay attention to Elon and give Elon money and he won't do anything that doesn't lead to that end.

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In regarm to Mx Marx' criticism of StarLink:
 -I literally could not care less if American Indians feel offended that satellites are blocking their communion with the Great Raven Spirit. **** OFF. WHO GIVES A ****.
 -if you're upset that a satellite is blocking your view of The Great Beyond, WAIT A PICOSECOND and it will be gone. **** YOU. SHUT THE **** UP.
 -GO CRY IN YOUR SWEAT LODGE YOU **** CRYBABY.
 -**** YOU.
 -providing remote areas with communications access is a game changer.
 -it's especially a game-changer for aboriginal people in the far north, like the ones Mx Marx pretends they are sticking up for.

The part about Indigenous communities having concern with Star Link was one line in the article, but I guess that alone was enough to trigger you into doing some casual racism.

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In regards to Mx Marx' criticisms of Tesla:
 -Tesla's product costs more than they originally promised. lmao, so does every other manufacturer's product.
 -Tesla's product has quality control issues. lmao, so does every other manufacturer's product.
 -Tesla's factory has reportedly had issues of racism. lmao, so does every other manufacturer's factory.
 -Musk has been the single most significant figure in transforming the electric vehicle from a technological oddity to a mainstream technology that has been embraced by both consumers and competitors and by governments themselves.

lol "Oh so Elon musk's factories are hotbeds of racism? Well did you know Henry Ford was friends with Hitler?"

This isn't a defense of Tesla/Musk on any of these specific issues, this is just hand-waving. Weak stuff.

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Mx Marx' issue with Tesla is not with build quality or working conditions at the factory. Their issue with Tesla is the concept of "automobility" (to borrow Mx Marx' term) itself. This is quite clear in Marx' column.  Marx' real objection to Tesla is that Tesla has given "automobility" a new lease on life.

This is really puzzling line of attack since the term "automobility" appears exactly once in the article. I'm wondering how much coke you were on when you went on this screed.

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People like Marx can no longer attack "automobility" simply by attacking pollution and carbon emissions, which is frustrating for people like Marx, because now they have to attack the concept of "automobility" itself. They have to make the case that you being able to own and operate a vehicle is a bad thing even if you aren't creating greenhouse gases or pollution.

And I hope that Mx Marx will take up that challenge. I hope that Mx Marx will run for office. Or perhaps some other politician will run for office on the platform of fighting "automobility".  Bring it on, punk.


LOL, you discovering the idea that people might have issues with cars beyond their carbon output in 2022 is like watching the apes at the beginning of 2001 discover tools. There is simply no question that car dependency is a net negative for individuals and communities regardless of the carbon footprint. But evidently you like cars/driving so your personal preferences must be catered to no matter what.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 10:04:55 am
I had to Google the issues that indigenous peoples have with wrecking their constellations…. I had no idea this was a thing.  What a joke.

I wonder if there's a reason you guys focus on the Indigenous concerns and not those of astronomers.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 01, 2022, 10:19:35 am
I wonder if there's a reason you guys focus on the Indigenous concerns and not those of astronomers.
It’s because they’re racist right?  Everybody that disagrees with you is always racist.  Regardless, so we’re now to ban satellites?  Come’on man.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 01, 2022, 10:20:55 am
Thank goodness he has people like you to white knight for him for free.

No those are strawmen.

None of this is actually expressed in any form in the article, I'm wondering if you are reading the same one as me. The argument is the boring company isn't going to change anything because Elon Musk isn't actually interested in changing anything or improving public transportation.Elon likes things that get people to pay attention to Elon and give Elon money and he won't do anything that doesn't lead to that end.

The part about Indigenous communities having concern with Star Link was one line in the article, but I guess that alone was enough to trigger you into doing some casual racism.

This isn't a defense of Tesla/Musk or any specific issues, this is just hand-waving. Weak.
 
This is really puzzling line of attack since the term "automobility" appears exactly once in the article. I'm wondering how much coke you were on when you went on this screed.
 

LOL, you discovering the idea that people might have issues with cars beyond their carbon output in 2022 is like watching the apes at the beginning of 2001 discover tools. There is simply no question that car dependency is a net negative for individuals and communities regardless of the carbon footprint. But evidently you like cars/driving so your personal preferences must be  catered to no matter what.
White Knight aka speaking logically.  Kimmy really shoved your head up your arse with her takedown huh?  I’m surprised you even showed your face in this thread again.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 10:22:07 am
It’s because they’re racist right? Everybody that disagrees with you is always racist.  Regardless, so we’re now to ban satellites?  Come’on man.

I'm not sure, that's why I asked.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 10:23:06 am
White Knight aka speaking logically.  Kimmy really shoved your head up your arse with her takedown huh?  I’m surprised you even showed your face in this thread again.

LOL, you mean her unhinged Adderal-fuelled strawman festival? Sure, I hope she sees this bro.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 01, 2022, 11:03:35 am
I wonder if there's a reason you guys focus on the Indigenous concerns and not those of astronomers.

Because they’re not legitimate concerns, unlike astronomers. 

We may as well be asking astrologers what they think.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 11:22:32 am
Because they’re not legitimate concerns, unlike astronomers. 

We may as well be asking astrologers what they think.

Why aren't they legitimate?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 01, 2022, 11:32:42 am
Why aren't they legitimate?
So you think that religious views are legitimate concerns related to satellites use?  Are you for real?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 11:44:22 am
So you think that religious views are legitimate concerns related to satellites use?  Are you for real?

Are the concerns "religious" in nature or are you just parroting what kimmy said? From what I've read, the issue basically around light pollution, same as those of white astronomers.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on September 01, 2022, 12:34:20 pm
It’s because they’re racist right?  Everybody that disagrees with you is always racist. 
No, but how about everyone who automatically dismisses Indigenous people's beliefs with extreme contempt?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 12:57:19 pm
No, but how about everyone who automatically dismisses Indigenous people's beliefs with extreme contempt?

(https://i.imgflip.com/6rwzlo.jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 01, 2022, 01:10:49 pm
No, but how about everyone who automatically dismisses Indigenous people's beliefs with extreme contempt?
They can believe in whatever sky god they feel like.  I couldn’t care less.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 01, 2022, 01:12:17 pm
Are the concerns "religious" in nature or are you just parroting what kimmy said? From what I've read, the issue basically around light pollution, same as those of white astronomers.
And you’re trying to blame this pollution on Elon Musk? 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 01:15:13 pm
And you’re trying to blame this pollution on Elon Musk?

One thing about you being dumb as a dog's dick is it makes following the basic thread of discussion impossible for you.

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But increasingly, even in the darkest places on Earth (which are vanishingly rare themselves), humankind is beginning to interfere with this primordial view. The unimpeded view of the night sky is being lost, and quickly.

In their quest to provide global broadband internet access to remote places, satellite companies are launching small constellation satellites into orbit close to the Earth so that the internet connection doesn’t have too long of a delay.

In the beginning of 2020, Elon Musk’s SpaceX had launched 240 small satellites into space as part of its Starlink internet service; now it has around 1,300. And more are planned to launch, from SpaceX, and from competitors like the UK-based OneWeb. SpaceX alone already has permission to launch 12,000 satellites, with dreams of launching a total of 30,000 one day.
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Starlink and its competitors are in pursuit of a goal with merit: to connect more of the world, particularly remote, rural places, to the internet. Too many places are cut off from broadband access, and therefore cut off from the modern world and economy. This increased connectivity could even help scientists do their work in more places on Earth. (It’s not completely altruistic, however: These companies plan on charging for this internet.)

But it comes with a cost. Because these satellites are so close, and reflective, they are often visible to the unaided human eye. But even if they were dimmed significantly, they would still be visible to powerful telescopes used in astronomy, should a satellite cross their path. When a satellite comes into view of a telescope, it can ruin the image — or at least provide more work for the astronomers to correct for it. It’s also a problem of numbers.

“The number of satellites orbiting the Earth is about to increase by about an order of magnitude,” Barentine says. “And that makes it increasingly likely that science will be lost.”

link (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/22396388/space-x-elon-musk-starlink-too-bright-astronomy-stars-pollution)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 01, 2022, 01:42:43 pm
One thing about you being dumb as a dog's dick is it makes following the basic thread of discussion impossible for you.

link (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/22396388/space-x-elon-musk-starlink-too-bright-astronomy-stars-pollution)
So just Elon Musks satellites?  Not any other companies, not satellites from other countries like China, Russia, etc?  Just Musk’s?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 01, 2022, 01:55:40 pm
Do satellites from other companies and other countries orbit a different planet?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 02:21:24 pm
So just Elon Musks satellites?  Not any other companies, not satellites from other countries like China, Russia, etc?  Just Musk’s?

Please read the information I provided I'm trying to help you not embarrass yourself further.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 02:31:37 pm
Do satellites from other companies and other countries orbit a different planet?

Since you're too retarded to figure this out without someone explaining it to you in terms a toddler would understand: yes, other satellites from other companies exist. But Space X has launched nearly 3,000 low-Earth-orbiting Starlink satellites. OneWeb has 650 and Amazon's Project Kuiper has two. so obviously one of those companies represents a bigger problem in terms of filling up the sky.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 01, 2022, 02:42:58 pm
Since you're too retarded to figure this out without someone explaining it to you in terms a toddler would understand: yes, other satellites from other companies exist. But Space X has launched nearly 3,000 low-Earth-orbiting Starlink satellites. OneWeb has 650 and Amazon's Project Kuiper has two. so obviously one of those companies represents a bigger problem in terms of filling up the sky.
Hey retard.  They have permission to launch those satellites.  Take it up with the proper authority.  Your obsession with Musk is both amusing and pathetic.  I’m glad kimmy virtually shoved your head up your ass with her takedown. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 01, 2022, 02:48:31 pm
Hey retard.  They have permission to launch those satellites.  Take it up with the proper authority. 

What the f*ck are you blathering about you porridge-brained lackwit? Did anyone say anything about them doing it illegally? Hell I'm not even the one making the complaint, my issue was with kimmy going all racist in response to an anodyne reference in the article I posted.

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Your obsession with Musk is both amusing and pathetic. 

You started a thread on him and have a Musk avi and username. I don't think I'm the one obsessed here.

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I’m glad kimmy virtually shoved your head up your ass with her takedown.

It's funny that you're kissing someone else's ass for attempting to do what you are incapable of doing (stringing more than two sentences together to make a coherent point).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 11:00:32 am
Do indigenous people still think they live in the 1600s or something with the complaints about satellites ruining constellations?

Yeah my people used to use stars to navigate and tell the future too, now it's 2022 go buy a GPS.  Make sure it's pointed at a satellite.

Elon's trying to give rural bumpkins high speed internet while some indigenous are still living in the bum-**** nowhere complaining about their poverty and constellations.  Oh the irony.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 11:16:36 am
Do indigenous people still think they live in the 1600s or something with the complaints about satellites ruining constellations?

Yeah my people used to use stars to navigate and tell the future too, now it's 2022 go buy a GPS.  Make sure it's pointed at a satellite.

Elon's trying to give rural bumpkins high speed internet while some indigenous are still living in the bum-**** nowhere complaining about their poverty and constellations.  Oh the irony.

Another guy who didn't read anything on the subject.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 02, 2022, 11:24:08 am
What the f*ck are you blathering about you porridge-brained lackwit? Did anyone say anything about them doing it illegally? Hell I'm not even the one making the complaint, my issue was with kimmy going all racist in response to an anodyne reference in the article I posted.

You started a thread on him and have a Musk avi and username. I don't think I'm the one obsessed here.

It's funny that you're kissing someone else's ass for attempting to do what you are incapable of doing (stringing more than two sentences together to make a coherent point).
Seems like your upset with the authorities approving Musk’s satellites.  Hey though, any issue with Russian satellites, or Chinese satellites, etc?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 11:33:49 am
Seems like your upset with the authorities approving Musk’s satellites.  Hey though, any issue with Russian satellites, or Chinese satellites, etc?

whataboutwhataboutwhatabout
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 01:36:51 pm
Another guy who didn't read anything on the subject.

Is that a 3 cheers for bum-f*ck nowhere?  Well you're about to get high speed internet so welcome to the 21st century.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 02, 2022, 01:45:39 pm
Is that a 3 cheers for bum-f*ck nowhere?  Well you're about to get high speed internet so welcome to the 21st century.
Exactly.  These are the same people that complain about their standard of living, but live in isolation, and reject technology and modernity.  They even need the “white man” to provide them with water.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 01:50:37 pm
Exactly.  These are the same people that complain about their standard of living, but live in isolation, and reject technology and modernity.  They even need the “white man” to provide them with water.

You're one racist shitbird.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 01:52:07 pm
Is that a 3 cheers for bum-f*ck nowhere?  Well you're about to get high speed internet so welcome to the 21st century.

I don't see why getting high speed internet to remote areas and not spoiling the night sky with man made junk are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 01:57:45 pm
Exactly.  These are the same people that complain about their standard of living, but live in isolation, and reject technology and modernity.  They even need the “white man” to provide them with water.

If you live in a rural area you're typically supposed to dig a well on your own property for drinking water, with its own purification system.  Not sure how that became whiteys fault.

If you live in the middle of nowhere, with no jobs, and have a subsistence lifestyle you're going to have a subsistence standard of living.  But now with high speed internet.  Many people can work from home now full-time.  Oh look who just brought aboriginals access to a whole bunch of jobs.  Not to mention trying to help save the natural environment with EV tech, solar tech etc

But he supports anti- mandate convoys so he's evil let's destroy him.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 02:02:39 pm
If you live in a rural area you're typically supposed to dig a well on your own property for drinking water, with its own purification system.  Not sure how that became whiteys fault.

Hey question why are these communities located where they are?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 02:06:24 pm
I don't see why getting high speed internet to remote areas and not spoiling the night sky with man made junk are mutually exclusive.

How else are you going to get high speed internet available to all the remote areas on earth other than satellites?

I would say bringing jobs and all the info in the world to rural communities is more important than a few more dots in the sky at night.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 02:09:54 pm
How else are you going to get high speed internet available to all the remote areas on earth other than satellites?

I would say bringing jobs and all the info in the world to rural communities is more important than a few more dots in the sky at night.

Yeah I honestly don't know the answer to this, but I'm not actually arguing one way or another. I don't think the issue is really that big of one outside of certain academic/activist circles here, which is why I found it so odd that kimmy went off on such a rant about it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 02:20:15 pm
Hey question why are these communities located where they are?

Depends on the community.

Are you going to tell me how they're a victim and chained to the land and can't leave?

Well now they can read books online for free, get an education online, and get a decent job and stay or leave.  Thanks Elon you damn whitey!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 02:23:21 pm
Yeah I honestly don't know the answer to this, but I'm not actually arguing one way or another. I don't think the issue is really that big of one outside of certain academic/activist circles here, which is why I found it so odd that kimmy went off on such a rant about it.

Stupid kimmy that blonde blue eyed whitey piece of crap!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 03:12:35 pm
Depends on the community.

Most were relocated by the government which makes the conditions the government's responsibility.

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Are you going to tell me how they're a victim and chained to the land and can't leave?

Did I say that?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 03:25:40 pm
Most were relocated by the government which makes the conditions the government's responsibility.

Well do they want autonomy and the gov to leave them alone, or do they want dependence and the gov to come in and fix their problems?

My guess is they want autonomy when it suits them and dependence when it suits them.  I assume they want lots of free sh!t as long as they get to choose what and where and how.  But this is human nature.  Well maybe they can get free high speed internet now.

Aboriginals should save up the money and build an ultra modern mega city called Indigeland.  It will be like Wakanda but for aboriginals.  Everyone there would be rich, the city lights would down out the stars at night, people will complain.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 02, 2022, 03:27:53 pm
Well do they want autonomy and the gov to leave them alone, or do they want dependence and the gov to come in and fix their problems?

My guess is they want autonomy when it suits them and dependence when it suits them.  I assume they want lots of free sh!t as long as they get to choose what and where and how.  But this is human nature.  Well maybe they can get free high speed internet now.

Aboriginals should save up the money and build an ultra modern mega city called Indigeland.  It will be like Wakanda but for aboriginals.  Everyone there would be rich, the city lights would down out the stars at night, people will complain.
Bingo.  Autonomy when it suits them, dependence when it also suits them.  They really need to decide one way or another.  Enough of this sitting on the fence.  Sh*t or get off the pot.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 03:32:18 pm
Well do they want autonomy and the gov to leave them alone, or do they want dependence and the gov to come in and fix their problems?

Who is "they"?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 04:12:26 pm
Who is "they"?

Aboriginals on reserves.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 04:48:19 pm
Aboriginals on reserves.

Yeah and there's hundreds of thousands of them from a variety of different nations/tribes in different parts of the country so maybe you can see why it's a bit f*cked up to speculate about what "they" want like they're a monolithic entity.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2022, 05:37:00 pm
Yeah and there's hundreds of thousands of them from a variety of different nations/tribes in different parts of the country so maybe you can see why it's a bit f*cked up to speculate about what "they" want like they're a monolithic entity.

Whoa whoa who's "them"?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on September 20, 2022, 12:38:41 am
Thank goodness he has people like you to white knight for him for free.

I'm not shitting on your article because I think Musk needs defending. I'm shitting on your article because I think that Paris Marx is a pathetic little sucky baby. I'm surprised that wasn't clear.

The part about Indigenous communities having concern with Star Link was one line in the article, but I guess that alone was enough to trigger you into doing some casual racism.

I was actually making fun of inane religious practices, not any race.

lol "Oh so Elon musk's factories are hotbeds of racism? Well did you know Henry Ford was friends with Hitler?"

This isn't a defense of Tesla/Musk on any of these specific issues, this is just hand-waving. Weak stuff.

I don't think Musk actually needs defending on any of these issues. California is a progressive state and I'm sure that their employment laws are up to addressing any specific issues at Musk's factory. I'm sure that the indigenous shamans will still be able to commune with the Great Raven Spirit even if a satellite crosses the sky for a moment or two.  Starlink is fully engaged with the astronomical community to find ways to reduce the impact of their satellites on scientific research.  The Boring Company will either build something someday, or it won't. If they fail to, they won't be the first company to crash and burn.

The kinds of objections Marx makes about Musk's businesses are the kinds of issues that have faced all kinds of businesses in all kinds of industries around the world for centuries.

Mx Marx wants to advocate for something much more dramatic than simply improving working-conditions at Tesla factories.

This is really puzzling line of attack since the term "automobility" appears exactly once in the article. I'm wondering how much coke you were on when you went on this screed.

Maybe a little, maybe more than a little. But that's beside the point.

Ultimately, Mx Marx's big complaint about Musk isn't that some Tesla workers have experienced racism, or that satellites make native people sad, or that the Boring Company has so far failed to produce any project of any significance.  Their real issue with Musk is explained in the final two paragraphs of their column. Their complaint is that charismatic figures like Musk are out their advocating for the idea that technology can solve our problems, and nobody is out their advocating for Paris Marx's ideal future where we live in pods and feed on vat-grown algae and soy protein.

LOL, you discovering the idea that people might have issues with cars beyond their carbon output in 2022 is like watching the apes at the beginning of 2001 discover tools.

I'm well aware that those people are out there.  I just think it's pathetic that instead of getting in the ring and advocating for their ideas, Marx is out here pitching these objections as reasons why "Tech Won't Save Us" (as they call their podcast).  Marx is the kind of person who listens to In The Year 2525 and thinks "yeah, they're singing about the kind of sustainable future we need to build."

There is simply no question that car dependency is a net negative for individuals and communities regardless of the carbon footprint. But evidently you like cars/driving so your personal preferences must be catered to no matter what.

So get in the arena of public ideas and advocate for it. Convince me and the millions of others who enjoy our "automobility" of how much better our lives will be if we give up cars.  Tell us why your vision of the future won't suck as much as I think it will. 

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2022, 06:30:57 am
Elon Musk could cure cancer and the left would still try to destroy him because omg he's against vaccine mandates.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on September 20, 2022, 07:30:49 am
He could also cure cancer and the right would still be trying to destroy him because omg he's creating an alternate to oil and gas vehicles.
He's still a favouritie target of the Trumpy, Qanon, f*ck Trudeau, flat-earth facebookers out there, who are not commonly known as "the left".
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 20, 2022, 09:45:55 am
I'm not shitting on your article because I think Musk needs defending. I'm shitting on your article because I think that Paris Marx is a pathetic little sucky baby. I'm surprised that wasn't clear.

No it was clear from the start that you weren't really engaging with the content.

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I was actually making fun of inane religious practices, not any race.


That might hold water if there were any specific "religious practices" mentioned, but there weren't so you just added a bunch of racist tropes on your own accord.

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I don't think Musk actually needs defending on any of these issues. California is a progressive state and I'm sure that their employment laws are up to addressing any specific issues at Musk's factory. I'm sure that the indigenous shamans will still be able to commune with the Great Raven Spirit even if a satellite crosses the sky for a moment or two.  Starlink is fully engaged with the astronomical community to find ways to reduce the impact of their satellites on scientific research.  The Boring Company will either build something someday, or it won't. If they fail to, they won't be the first company to crash and burn.

The kinds of objections Marx makes about Musk's businesses are the kinds of issues that have faced all kinds of businesses in all kinds of industries around the world for centuries.


And?

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Mx Marx wants to advocate for something much more dramatic than simply improving working-conditions at Tesla factories.

Maybe a little, maybe more than a little. But that's beside the point.

Ultimately, Mx Marx's big complaint about Musk isn't that some Tesla workers have experienced racism, or that satellites make native people sad, or that the Boring Company has so far failed to produce any project of any significance. Their real issue with Musk is explained in the final two paragraphs of their column. Their complaint is that charismatic figures like Musk are out their advocating for the idea that technology can solve our problems, and nobody is out their advocating for Paris Marx's ideal future where we live in pods and feed on vat-grown algae and soy protein.

LOL, none of this is in the article either. You're full on into "make up a guy to get mad at "territory" and I totally know why this writer in particular is setting you off.

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I'm well aware that those people are out there.  I just think it's pathetic that instead of getting in the ring and advocating for their ideas, Marx is out here pitching these objections as reasons why "Tech Won't Save Us" (as they call their podcast).  Marx is the kind of person who listens to In The Year 2525 and thinks "yeah, they're singing about the kind of sustainable future we need to build."

They have a podcast and write articles on their views, is that not getting in the ring enough for you? They're doing more than you are.

Anyway, I'm not surprised you're sliding into "I will not eat the bugs" goofball rhetoric, just disappointed.

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So get in the arena of public ideas and advocate for it. Convince me and the millions of others who enjoy our "automobility" of how much better our lives will be if we give up cars.  Tell us why your vision of the future won't suck as much as I think it will. 

Cars are bad for our health, bad for our finances, bad for the environment and bad for society but if you don't count those things, they're great.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2022, 02:42:26 pm
I had to remove some of the squidiot idiocy.  Sorry for any inconvenience.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 25, 2022, 07:24:58 pm
Big news!

Musk says he will activate Starlink amid Iran protests
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/musk-says-activating-starlink-response-blinken-internet-freedom-iran-2022-09-23/
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 27, 2022, 03:54:42 pm
Big news!

Musk says he will activate Starlink amid Iran protests
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/musk-says-activating-starlink-response-blinken-internet-freedom-iran-2022-09-23/

Literal virtue signalling.

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In addition to a subscription service, Starlink terminals – hardware that would allow the user to connect – are required to link up.

Starlink has reportedly sent more than 15,000 terminals to Ukraine, a US ally, after Russia’s invasion in February.

But Iran views the Starlink terminals as a security threat and will prevent their entry into the country.

In order for Starlink to work, thousands of Starlink terminals would need to be smuggled into Iran at a significant cost – probably in the region of a few million dollars.
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News of Starlink’s “activation” has circulated wide and far among Iranians, many of whom have pinned their hopes on the service.

But so far, the only tangible result has been hackers who published malware under the guise of software required to connect to Starlink in order to dupe users.

link (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/26/why-elon-musks-starlink-wont-impact-protests-in-iran)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 27, 2022, 03:58:00 pm
Starlink = Radio Free Europe.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 27, 2022, 04:01:41 pm
Starlink = Radio Free Europe.

If you needed to buy a specific and extremely expensive Radio Free Europe radio and then a subscription in order to listen to it, sure.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 27, 2022, 05:20:54 pm
If you needed to buy a specific and extremely expensive Radio Free Europe radio and then a subscription in order to listen to it, sure.
You continue to criticize people for offering solutions, while you sit in your moms basement with your thumb up your butt. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 27, 2022, 11:33:00 pm
You continue to criticize people for offering solutions, while you sit in your moms basement with your thumb up your butt.

My solution is you should kill yourself.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 04, 2022, 12:34:04 pm
Good news, Musk is in fact buying Twitter, and Black Dog has indicated he will leave this board if Elon Musk went through with the deal.  Right Black Dog?  Wasn't that the deal?

Elon Musk changes course and proposes going through with Twitter deal at original price: Sources
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/04/twitter-shares-halted-on-report-that-musk-plans-to-go-through-with-deal-at-54point20-a-share.html
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 04, 2022, 12:39:06 pm
My solution is you should kill yourself.

Stay classy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 04, 2022, 12:44:45 pm
Good news, Musk is in fact buying Twitter, and Black Dog has indicated he will leave this board if Elon Musk went through with the deal.  Right Black Dog?  Wasn't that the deal?

Elon Musk changes course and proposes going through with Twitter deal at original price: Sources
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/04/twitter-shares-halted-on-report-that-musk-plans-to-go-through-with-deal-at-54point20-a-share.html

That was the proposal but you pussed out like the little b!tch that you are.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 04, 2022, 12:48:11 pm
That was the proposal but you pussed out like the little b!tch that you are.
I guess you should thank me huh?  Stay out of the prediction business.  You’re terrible at it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on October 04, 2022, 12:58:28 pm
I guess you should thank me huh?  Stay out of the prediction business.  You’re terrible at it.

ShadyPredictivePower seems to rely upon Musk settling rather than going to trial! Such a weasel you are!
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A few weeks after Musk agreed to the deal earlier this year, valuing Twitter at $44 billion, he quickly tried to back out, officially informing the company in July of his intentions to terminate the agreement. Twitter sued Musk to force him to go through with the purchase. The two sides were scheduled to go to trial in Delaware Chancery Court on Oct. 17.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 05, 2022, 09:35:11 pm
ShadyPredictivePower seems to rely upon Musk settling rather than going to trial! Such a weasel you are!
It’s not a settlement.  Musk would probably win in a trial as Twitter was no up front as to just how many of its accounts are bots.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 11:43:55 am
Big week for Musky
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 11, 2022, 12:05:31 pm
Big week for Musky
  • Proposed a "peace plan" for Ukraine that involved giving up territory to Russia
  • Proposed a "peace plan" for Taiwan that involved giving it to China
  • Welcomed Kanye West back to Twitter like an hour before Ye got banned from the platform for a super anti-semitic tweet.
At least he’s proposing a peace plan.  Nobody else is.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 11, 2022, 12:08:03 pm
That was a super racist tweet by Kanye.  I'm legit worried about his mental health.  He needs to be on medication.  He's been unbalanced.

In regards to Musk, I'm much more focused on the fact that he's dedicated most of his wealth, time, and genius towards saving the human race while helping the west win the AI race against China than I care about who he triggers on Twitter.

He's the most vital human being in the entire world.  Instead of trying to destroy him I'd give the guy a break.  Tweets supporting trucker convoys is not the most important thing in the grand scheme.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 01:06:20 pm
At least he’s proposing a peace plan.  Nobody else is.

So did Neville Chamberlain.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 01:07:29 pm
That was a super racist tweet by Kanye.  I'm legit worried about his mental health.  He needs to be on medication.  He's been unbalanced.

In regards to Musk, I'm much more focused on the fact that he's dedicated most of his wealth, time, and genius towards saving the human race while helping the west win the AI race against China than I care about who he triggers on Twitter.

He's the most vital human being in the entire world.  Instead of trying to destroy him I'd give the guy a break.  Tweets supporting trucker convoys is not the most important thing in the grand scheme.

Jesus Christ man lol.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 11, 2022, 01:29:37 pm
So did Neville Chamberlain.
So anyone that offers up a peace deal in any conflict is Neville Chamberlain?  Regardless, you need to re-study history, and your comparison makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on October 11, 2022, 01:35:25 pm
All that talk about me being Xi's b!tch and you're already willing to give him Taiwan?  😆
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 01:36:31 pm
So anyone that offers up a peace deal in any conflict is Neville Chamberlain?

No, retard, the point was simply offering a peace proposal doesn't mean anything if the proposal sucks.

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Regardless, you need to re-study history, and your comparison makes no sense at all.

The Munich agreement surrendered large parts of Czechoslovakia inhabited by ethnic Germans to the expansionist totalitarian Nazi Germany, Musk is proposing to surrender large parts of Ukraine inhabited by ethnic Russians to the expansionist totalitarian Russian state, yup totally no comparison to be made there lol
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 11, 2022, 03:10:34 pm
Jesus Christ man lol.

Dude is spearheading EV tech, solar panel tech, high speed rail, traffic tech (Boring Company), high speed internet tech, AI tech including driverless cars and personal robotics, not to mention trying to get humans to colonize Mars in order to ensure the permanent survival of the species in case of earth disaster like an asteroid or nuclear war.  Oh and in he wants to fix Twitter too.

Is there another human problem you'd like this guy to solve because that's not enough?  Or maybe you'd like to take a shot at one of them instead of playing armchair quarterback and yelling at the internet all day from your basement while verbally harassing people who's opinions you dislike?

If you can name a more important person to the human race alive right now let me know. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 11, 2022, 03:12:54 pm
No, retard, the point was simply offering a peace proposal doesn't mean anything if the proposal sucks.

The Munich agreement surrendered large parts of Czechoslovakia inhabited by ethnic Germans to the expansionist totalitarian Nazi Germany, Musk is proposing to surrender large parts of Ukraine inhabited by ethnic Russians to the expansionist totalitarian Russian state, yup totally no comparison to be made there lol
The point was meandering at best.

Regardless, I think that Israel should concede land to the Palestinians.  Is that also being Neville Chamberlain?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 03:48:57 pm
Dude is spearheading EV tech, solar panel tech, high speed rail, traffic tech (Boring Company), high speed internet tech, AI tech including driverless cars and personal robotics, not to mention trying to get humans to colonize Mars in order to ensure the permanent survival of the species in case of earth disaster like an asteroid or nuclear war.  Oh and in he wants to fix Twitter too.

Half this stuff will never get built and a good chunk of the rest is either a terrible idea, completely useless or some combination thereof (eg Boring company, Mars, driverless cars).

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Is there another human problem you'd like this guy to solve because that's not enough?  Or maybe you'd like to take a shot at one of them instead of playing armchair quarterback and yelling at the internet all day from your basement while verbally harassing people who's opinions you dislike?

How about poverty or the lack of affordable housing or climate change...

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 03:50:03 pm
The point was meandering at best.

Regardless, I think that Israel should concede land to the Palestinians.  Is that also being Neville Chamberlain?

No because the Palestinians aren't the ones doing the invading/occupying you chowderhead.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 11, 2022, 03:58:21 pm
No because the Palestinians aren't the ones doing the invading/occupying you chowderhead.
But the Donbas is disputed territory, depending on how far you want to go back.  See, these things are complicated.  Regardless, it’s a starting point for negotiations.  Ukraine could refuse but concede something else, like not joining NATO, etc.  A proposal isn’t the final deal, it’s the beginning of one. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 04:14:05 pm
But the Donbas is disputed territory, depending on how far you want to go back. See, these things are complicated.  Regardless, it’s a starting point for negotiations.  Ukraine could refuse but concede something else, like not joining NATO, etc.  A proposal isn’t the final deal, it’s the beginning of one.

1. Crimea isn't Donbas.
2. Giving an aggressive tyrant what they want in fear that they will escalate things usually means you end up giving something up and them escalating anyway.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 11, 2022, 06:12:29 pm
Half this stuff will never get built and a good chunk of the rest is either a terrible idea, completely useless or some combination thereof (eg Boring company, Mars, driverless cars).

Yeah driverless cars will never get off the ground:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/loblaw-gatik-autonomous-1.6606623

Yeah a consumer robot that costs less than a car that most people will own in their house to do everyday chores and other tasks will never get off the ground, meanwhile a week ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y-RsGj0_7I

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How about poverty or the lack of affordable housing or climate change...

His Starlink tech will connect rural people, like indigenous, and people in the Global South to high speed internet without the infrastructure costs.  The Boring Company is being designed to help traffic congestion, which could have a big impact on climate change and society's GDP output.  He has a company (Neurolink I think it's called) that's trying to invent a chip that goes in your head & connects with your brain to help people with brain disabilities, memory issues etc.  His purpose for buying Tesla and the solar panel company was to help solve climate change.

He's an IT engineer, he co-founded Paypal and got rich off it.  Then he said to himself "well i have all the money I could ever need, so how can I use my skills and energies to best help the human race?".  His answer was EVs, solar panels, colonizing Mars, Neurolink etc.  He basically has the smarts & ambition of a Microsoft-era Bill Gates but with Bill Gates' post-retirement social conscience.  He's probably smarter than Gates because it didn't take him 25 years to figure that out.

Look, maybe a year ago I thought the guy was an overrated blowhard too that IT nerds masturbate over (like Steve Jobs), but then I started watching some of his interviews.  It's clear you don't know much about the guy.  Go listen to a long interview of his whenever you're on a drive or something.  He may fail at some of this stuff, but at least he's trying, and his primary motivation isn't money or the culture war.  The reason he's worth what he is now is because investors are throwing their cash at him because 1. they believe in his ability to succeed because he's a freak genius, and 2. they believe in his mission.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 11, 2022, 07:32:21 pm
How about poverty or the lack of affordable housing or climate change...
So you want him to “fix” things that governments with access to hundreds of billions, sometimes trillions haven’t fixed?  Regardless, he is trying to fix climate change.  Ever heard of electric vehicles?  Just how f**king dumb are you?  Hello!  Tesla! 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 08:52:53 pm
Yeah driverless cars will never get off the ground:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/loblaw-gatik-autonomous-1.6606623

That they are trying them out doesn't mean they will ever actually work, let alone lead to mass adaptation.

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Amir Khajepour, a professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Waterloo, says there are many reasons to be cautious about using fully autonomous vehicles, but, to him, this initiative sounds like a good example of solving a temporary problem today, as the transportation system transitions.

"We should be able to use this technology in those cases that we are definitely short in human activity and manpower," he said in an interview.

A truck on a fixed route, on a fixed schedule is a great use for the technology, he says, precisely because it's the type of task that can be done safely and efficiently.

"It goes from point A to point B, it's limited in terms of the type of decisions that the car is going to make," he said.

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Yeah a consumer robot that costs less than a car that most people will own in their house to do everyday chores and other tasks will never get off the ground, meanwhile a week ago:

Imagine thinking "most people" have $20K to spend on a robot when most people probably can't afford $200 a month for a cleaning lady.

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His Starlink tech will connect rural people, like indigenous, and people in the Global South to high speed internet without the infrastructure costs.

If they buy his insanely expensive terminals.

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The Boring Company is being designed to help traffic congestion, which could have a big impact on climate change and society's GDP output.
 

If the Vegas experiment is any indication it absolutely will not do that.

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He has a company (Neurolink I think it's called) that's trying to invent a chip that goes in your head & connects with your brain to help people with brain disabilities, memory issues etc.


All he's done with that is murder a bunch of monkeys with it.

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His purpose for buying Tesla and the solar panel company was to help solve climate change.

There are positive things about EVs, but the idea that they will solve climate change is farcical.

Also, does this (https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/elon-musks-private-jet-took-a-9-minute-flight/433958) seem like something someone who cares deeply about solving climate change would do?

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Look, maybe a year ago I thought the guy was an overrated blowhard too that IT nerds masturbate over (like Steve Jobs), but then I started watching some of his interviews.  It's clear you don't know much about the guy.  Go listen to a long interview of his whenever you're on a drive or something.  He may fail at some of this stuff, but at least he's trying, and his primary motivation isn't money or the culture war.  The reason he's worth what he is now is because investors are throwing their cash at him because 1. they believe in his ability to succeed because he's a freak genius, and 2. they believe in his mission.

"This guy isn't a huckster, just listen to his sales pitch" is not very compelling to me.

Related:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUCPD8zWYAAZT0g?format=jpg&name=900x900)

FTR i don't think his primary motivation is money or the culture war. It's attention.


Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 11, 2022, 10:16:55 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUCPD8zWYAAZT0g?format=jpg&name=900x900)
You mean he’s fallen behind the unbelievably difficult and ambitious goal of putting somebody on Mars?  Look face f**k, your beloved government can’t even fulfill its promise to do something as simple as plant trees.  Get the f**k outta here retarded bull****.

Canada has only planted 29 million of the 2 billion trees promised by 2030
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2022/7/8/1_5980036.amp.html
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 11, 2022, 11:28:18 pm
FTR i don't think his primary motivation is money or the culture war. It's attention.

I think he wants to be the next Steve Jobs but better.  His Tesla brand is a very "hip" and sort of an elitist type brand marketed very similarly to Apple products.  I assume because he's an IT nerd and was into that hype.  ie: His Tesla truck looks more "cool" than it does practical.  He does have an ego and like attention.  I had wrote him off for these reasons.  These stylish things don't do anything for me.  But again just listen to him talk, he's a very thoughtful guy, he changed my mind on him.  And this was before all the twitter/convoy BS.

He's not going to be successful with everything, like any entrepreneur.  I think the Mars thing is a bit lame, for example, and maybe the tunnels won't catch on.  If you don't think AI, driverless cars, and automation in general is going to catch on well I just don't agree.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 11, 2022, 11:28:32 pm
You mean he’s fallen behind the unbelievably difficult and ambitious goal of putting somebody on Mars?  Look face f**k, your beloved government can’t even fulfill its promise to do something as simple as plant trees.  Get the f**k outta here retarded bull****.

Canada has only planted 29 million of the 2 billion trees promised by 2030
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2022/7/8/1_5980036.amp.html


Careful not hurt yourself riding his dick.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 10:18:36 am

Careful not hurt yourself riding his dick.
You mean you on Trudeau’s?  Is it out of your mouth long enough?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 11:56:23 am
In Jobs' day, Apple followed classic industrial design principles of form following function, Musks' products look like garbage and are swamped by quality control issues.
It’s weird that NASA doesn’t seem to think so.  I guess they’re just not as smart as some keyboard warriors.  It’s also weird that Tesla’s are so popular.   You’re so smart and accomplished, how do you find the time to post?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 12, 2022, 12:05:58 pm
It’s weird that NASA doesn’t seem to think so.  I guess they’re just not as smart as some keyboard warriors. It’s also weird that Tesla’s are so popular.  

Yeah because popular things can't be shitty.

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You’re so smart and accomplished, how do you find the time to post?

how do you have time to do anything when you spend so much time riding Elon's dick?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 12:20:26 pm
Yeah because popular things can't be shitty.

how do you have time to do anything when you spend so much time riding Elon's dick?
Generally shitty things don’t become popular, or don’t stay popular for long.  Talk to NASA yet? 🤣
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 12, 2022, 12:34:56 pm
Generally shitty things don’t become popular, or don’t stay popular for long.

Not really, no, especially when there's a big pool of unsophisticated fanboys to take advantage of.

As for popularity, Tesla sold 936,222 cars of all models in 2021. That same year, Ford moved 726,004 units of just the F-150 model. Teslas are still a niche product and not even a very good one at that.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 01:24:25 pm
Not really, no, especially when there's a big pool of unsophisticated fanboys to take advantage of.

As for popularity, Tesla sold 936,222 cars of all models in 2021. That same year, Ford moved 726,004 units of just the F-150 model. Teslas are still a niche product and not even a very good one at that.
You’re not the arbiter of what’s shitty and what isn’t.  The market is.  Anyways, talk to NASA yet?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 12, 2022, 01:48:14 pm
You’re not the arbiter of what’s shitty and what isn’t.  The market is.

That's not how that works either.

As someone who is slobbering all over all things Elon Musk it's surprising you haven't heard anything about Tesla's long-running quality issues which are well known despite Musk's efforts to silence critics.

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Anyways, talk to NASA yet?

You finished riding Elon's dick yet?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 01:59:21 pm
That's not how that works either.

As someone who is slobbering all over all things Elon Musk it's surprising you haven't heard anything about Tesla's long-running quality issues which are well known despite Musk's efforts to silence critics.

You finished riding Elon's dick yet?
Yes, it is how it works.  The market deems something shitty or not.  Not some keyboard warrior in Alberta.  Talk to NASA yet? 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 12, 2022, 02:32:22 pm
Yes, it is how it works.  The market deems something shitty or not.  Not some keyboard warrior in Alberta.

"If something is popular that makes it good" explains a lot about you and your garbage tastes.

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Talk to NASA yet? 😂

Why would NASA have an opinion on Tesla's quality, dick rider?

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 02:50:28 pm
"If something is popular that makes it good" explains a lot about you and your garbage tastes.

Why would NASA have an opinion on Tesla's quality, dick rider?
“If something isn’t good, keyboard warrior from Alberta will tell us.  The market doesn’t matter. 😂

Space X idiot.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 12, 2022, 03:08:08 pm
“If something isn’t good, keyboard warrior from Alberta will tell us.  The market doesn’t matter. 😂

Quality is not the sole determinant of market popularity, moron.

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Space X idiot.

I didn't say anything about Space X, but now that you mention, it didn't they have a thing where their rockets keep blowing up?

Anyway, it doesn't matter, your mom could get run over by a Tesla with a faulty autopilot and you'd still slurp Musk's balls.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 03:12:46 pm
Quality is not the sole determinant of market popularity, moron.

I didn't say anything about Space X, but now that you mention, it didn't they have a thing where their rockets keep blowing up?

Anyway, it doesn't matter, your mom could get run over by a Tesla with a faulty autopilot and you'd still slurp Musk's balls.
Quality is factored into market responses to products and services.  It’s a far better way to determine something is shitty or not than the opinion of keyboard warriors.
You obviously know nothing about Space X and their technology advancements in space exploration.  Advancements that are used by NASA.  But pound away on your keyboard, keyboard warrior! 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 03:16:10 pm
Here you go dipshit, do some reading.  Ever heard of reuseable rockets?  They didn't exist before Space X.

8 ways that SpaceX has transformed spaceflight
https://www.space.com/ways-spacex-transformed-spaceflight
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 12, 2022, 03:32:46 pm
Quality is factored into market responses to products and services.  It’s a far better way to determine something is shitty or not than the opinion of keyboard warriors.
You obviously know nothing about Space X and their technology advancements in space exploration.  Advancements that are used by NASA.  But pound away on your keyboard, keyboard warrior! 😂

Better a keyboard warrior than a dick rider.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 03:36:50 pm
Better a keyboard warrior than a dick rider.
But you do both.  (See Trudeau).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 12, 2022, 03:37:18 pm
Here you go dipshit, do some reading.  Ever heard of reuseable rockets?  They didn't exist before Space X.

8 ways that SpaceX has transformed spaceflight
https://www.space.com/ways-spacex-transformed-spaceflight

lol of those 8 things, only three are actually about space technology (made possible by heavy taxpayer subsidies) and the rest is stupid nerd **** like "they made cool-looking spacesuits" and "they webcast their launches" that only a bona fide dick rider would care about.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 12, 2022, 03:40:03 pm
But you do both.  (See Trudeau).

The only positive thing I've ever said about Trudeau is that he makes losers like you stroke out with rage, I've certainly never started an entire thread to slob on his knob like you did with Musk here. As for the keyboard warrior thing, have you looked in a mirror, you retard?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 03:55:14 pm
The only positive thing I've ever said about Trudeau is that he makes losers like you stroke out with rage, I've certainly never started an entire thread to slob on his knob like you did with Musk here. As for the keyboard warrior thing, have you looked in a mirror, you retard?
You come to his defence at every opportunity.  Don’t try to distance yourself now fanboi.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on October 12, 2022, 04:02:41 pm
Pointing out your lies about Trudeau does not equal defending Trudeau.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 12, 2022, 05:21:36 pm
Pointing out your lies about Trudeau does not equal defending Trudeau.
Right on cue to defend your boyfriend! 😂
You can set your watch to it!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on October 12, 2022, 05:27:38 pm
Pointing out your lies does not equal defending my boyfriend.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on October 13, 2022, 03:22:01 pm
Coincidentally, just after Musk suggests appeasement to China, Tesla is allowed back into China and even gets a tax exemption.
Who's China's b!tch now?  🤣

https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2022/10/11/tesla-model-s-model-x-china-tax-exemption/amp/
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 14, 2022, 10:41:51 am
Musk is cutting off Starlink service to Ukraine because someone from the government there was mean to him on Twitter:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfBmXXHWIAA6p4f?format=jpg&name=large)
No Starlink hasn’t been cut off.  But why is Musk required to provide a free service at cost to him, but weapons manufacturers can make tens of billions of dollars?  Is there any elite, powerful entity that you don’t drop to your knees for?  🤡
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 18, 2022, 08:09:19 pm
Musk decides to continue to fund Starlink.

Elon Musk says SpaceX has withdrawn request for Pentagon to fund Starlink in Ukraine
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/17/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-ukraine-pentagon-funding/index.html
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on October 18, 2022, 08:16:57 pm
Do you have a comment or are you just a repository of yesterday's news?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 26, 2022, 07:29:20 pm
Elon Musk to officially own Twitter as of tomorrow.  It should also be the last day Black Dog will be posting in this forum, if he’s a man of his word.  It’s a win-win situation!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on October 26, 2022, 08:04:03 pm
I recall you were too chicken to make that bet.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 26, 2022, 11:25:50 pm
U should have made a bet to change your signature for a month to whatever the other person wanted.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 27, 2022, 12:11:33 am
Elon Musk to officially own Twitter as of tomorrow.  It should also be the last day Black Dog will be posting in this forum, if he’s a man of his word.  It’s a win-win situation!

You backed out of that bet like Musk tried to back out of the Twitter purchase lol
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 27, 2022, 10:07:24 am
Anyway, since we're on the subject of Twitter and bets, what's the over/under on the platform going the way of Friendster/MySpace and, soon, Faceboopk/META? I give it about a year before the cracks really start to show and then another year for it to be little more than a zombie version of its current self.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 27, 2022, 12:08:12 pm
You backed out of that bet like Musk tried to back out of the Twitter purchase lol
Doesn’t matter.  You were wrong.  You should do the honourable thing.  If you actually had any honour.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 27, 2022, 12:09:38 pm
Anyway, since we're on the subject of Twitter and bets, what's the over/under on the platform going the way of Friendster/MySpace and, soon, Faceboopk/META? I give it about a year before the cracks really start to show and then another year for it to be little more than a zombie version of its current self.
Why would it do that?  You think people not being banned for political reasons is going to negatively impact Twitter?  This prediction is even worse than when you said Musk wouldn’t actually but Twitter.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 27, 2022, 12:24:26 pm
Doesn’t matter. You were wrong.  You should do the honourable thing.  If you actually had any honour.

LOL Musk dickrider doesn't understand how bets work.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 27, 2022, 12:31:58 pm
Why would it do that?  You think people not being banned for political reasons is going to negatively impact Twitter? 

No no I'm sure people will love paying subscriptions fees to log on and getting abused and threatened by Nazis.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 27, 2022, 12:36:02 pm
LOL Musk dickrider doesn't understand how bets work.
I didn’t expect you to do the honourable thing, so no surprise.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 27, 2022, 12:38:12 pm
No no I'm sure people will love paying subscriptions fees to log on and getting abused and threatened by Nazis.
There are already subscription fees, but you and your ilk consider anyone that doesn’t agree with you a nazi, so what you’ve said is pretty much meaningless.  Besides, there will still be controls as to what content you see in your timeline, and you can choose to have certain words or terms filtered out.  So you can still have your safe space.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 27, 2022, 12:39:43 pm
I didn’t expect you to do the honourable thing, so no surprise.

Maybe you shouldn't have pussied out of the wager then dickrider.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 27, 2022, 12:41:15 pm
There are already subscription fees, but you and your ilk consider anyone that doesn’t agree with you a nazi, so what you’ve said is pretty much meaningless.  Besides, there will still be controls as to what content you see in your timeline, and you can choose to have certain words or terms filtered out.  So you can still have your safe space.

Ok let's make a bet on it then dickrider.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 27, 2022, 08:12:52 pm
Musk officially owns Twitter!  Stick it up your a** Black Dog! 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 27, 2022, 10:02:51 pm
Recommendation for Elon Musk's twitter task #1:  DESTROY THE SERVERS AND FOLD THE COMPANY

Result:  Eyeballs freed, boyfriends cuddling girlfriends, mother's cuddling children, sexy singles netflix and chill.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 28, 2022, 09:08:06 am
Recommendation for Elon Musk's twitter task #1:  DESTROY THE SERVERS AND FOLD THE COMPANY

Result:  Eyeballs freed, boyfriends cuddling girlfriends, mother's cuddling children, sexy singles netflix and chill.
Agreed.  I'd also add Facebook, Instagram, etc as well.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 28, 2022, 09:36:32 am
Musk officially owns Twitter!  Stick it up your a** Black Dog! 😂😂😂

The next Space X launch will be Shiddy going orbital from riding Elon's dick too hard.

Anyway it's pretty funny to watch the dickriders spin this as a win when Musk had to be forced into buying Twitter at the original (inflated) price after he tried to back out.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 30, 2022, 10:19:28 am
Now we know why Shiddy was up so late last night.

 Use of N-word on Twitter jumped by almost 500% after Elon Musk's takeover as trolls test limits on free speech, report says  (https://news.yahoo.com/n-word-twitter-jumped-almost-122043804.html?ncid=twitter_yahoonewst_sjwumo1bpf4)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 30, 2022, 01:04:03 pm
Musk went from buying Twitter and begging advertisers to stay to tweeting homophobic conspiracy theories  about the Pelosi attack in less than 48 hours.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on October 30, 2022, 01:58:22 pm
Oct. 29 27: In a tweet from Musk to advertisers: Dear Twitter Advertisers

(https://i.imgur.com/cfQ6tlF.jpg)

uhhh, define free-for-all hellscape - anyone, anyone... Shady?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 30, 2022, 02:18:47 pm
The 1% hope I had has evaporated...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 04:07:21 pm
The 1% hope I had has evaporated...
1% hope of what?  Twitter hasn’t changed at all yet.  A content moderation council is to be formed, where it will be decided how content is to be moderated.  Nothing has changed yet.  The revised content moderation is to focus on political opinions, not personal insults.  Your case of the vapours is premature.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 04:09:23 pm
Oct. 29 27: In a tweet from Musk to advertisers: Dear Twitter Advertisers

(https://i.imgur.com/cfQ6tlF.jpg)

uhhh, define free-for-all hellscape - anyone, anyone... Shady?
Content moderation changes will be made regarding political opinions, etc, not personal insults.  If you’re still worried, you can always select what words, terms, and subjects you wish to have filtered in your Twitter feed.  Nobody is forcing you to read anything.  Start acting like an adult.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on October 30, 2022, 04:28:33 pm
Content moderation changes will be made regarding political opinions, etc, not personal insults.

hey now Shady - with a scoop like that, just how tapped-in to Musk are you, anyway?

(https://i.imgur.com/E36AUm3.gif)

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 04:40:46 pm
hey now Shady - with a scoop like that, just how tapped-in to Musk are you, anyway?

(https://i.imgur.com/E36AUm3.gif)
It’s not a scoop, it’s just knowing what exactly is going on.  You should try it sometime!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 30, 2022, 06:16:46 pm
Update: Elon Musk cowardly caves in and deletes tweet linking to unhinged conspiracy theory concerning Pelosi attack.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 30, 2022, 07:25:42 pm
1% hope of what?  Twitter hasn’t changed at all yet.  A content moderation council is to be formed, where it will be decided how content is to be moderated.  Nothing has changed yet.  The revised content moderation is to focus on political opinions, not personal insults.  Your case of the vapours is premature.

His Tweet today was evidence of impulsive and immature person, not the person who has the judgment - not even the VISION - to lead twitter.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 30, 2022, 07:27:40 pm
I honestly didn't think he would start out by indulging his immature and bratty impulses.  I thought maybe $44B would be incentive for him to start acting a little better.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 07:55:26 pm
His Tweet today was evidence of impulsive and immature person, not the person who has the judgment - not even the VISION - to lead twitter.
What tweet are you referring to?  Your serious case of the vapours over literally nothing is quite entertaining!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 07:56:32 pm
And.....the truth comes out.  Not really surprised though.  You’ll see fake news like this for the next 6 months, at least.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on October 30, 2022, 08:24:27 pm
What tweet are you referring to?  Your serious case of the vapours over literally nothing is quite entertaining!

so 'literally nothing'... it was deleted by your guy, hey!

NYT: Elon Musk, in a Tweet, Shares Link From Site Known to Publish False News (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/30/business/musk-tweets-hillary-clinton-pelosi-husband.html)

Quote
Three days after Elon Musk purchased Twitter, the billionaire posted a tweet that advanced baseless allegations about the recent attack on the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The tweet, on Sunday, raised anew questions about how, or if, Mr. Musk will act to combat misinformation and hate speech on the social media site.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 08:31:31 pm
so 'literally nothing'... it was deleted by your guy, hey!

NYT: Elon Musk, in a Tweet, Shares Link From Site Known to Publish False News (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/30/business/musk-tweets-hillary-clinton-pelosi-husband.html)
So what?  Why do you guys pearl clutch so much?  The mainstream media shared fake Trump story after fake Trump story for 6 years.  If you don’t want to follow somebody on Twitter, don’t.  But that doesn’t mean that there are many unanswered questions related to the Pelosi incident.  Like how the person got into the house without setting off any alarms?  Why was the person in his underwear?  Who is the unidentified person that let police inside?  How did the fight with the hammer take place after police arrived?  It’s a very odd situation, hopefully they release the surveillance video and 911 call.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on October 30, 2022, 08:37:03 pm
So what?

c'mon Shady, if it's worthy of a Shady 'so what' response... just why did your boy delete his misinforming and conspiracy laced linked tweet?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 30, 2022, 08:51:48 pm
His Tweet today was evidence of impulsive and immature person, not the person who has the judgment - not even the VISION - to lead twitter.

For questioning facts around the Pelosi attack and posting a crappy source then deleting it?

Anything crazy that happens politically in the month running up to a major US election should be questioned.

#OctoberSurprise!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 08:52:49 pm
c'mon Shady, if it's worthy of a Shady 'so what' response... just why did your boy delete his misinforming and conspiracy laced linked tweet?
Well, we don’t know if it’s misinformation.  To me, it’s all speculation.  Just like when people insisted that covid came from a lab.  Or vaccines don’t prevent the spread.  Or the FBI was investigating Hunter Biden.  Remember when that was all “misinformation”?  🤣

Let people speak.  You can choose not to listen to them.  Stop embracing fascism.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 30, 2022, 08:53:44 pm
The left used to control twitter, now a rightwinger controls twitter.  Now the right is celebrating and the left panicking.  It's hilarious to watch this all unfold.

I don't have a twitter account.  IDGAF.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 08:55:38 pm
For questioning facts around the Pelosi attack and posting a crappy source then deleting it?

Anything crazy that happens politically in the month running up to a major US election should be questioned.

#OctoberSurprise!
It is amazing that it’s now a days long story with the media already sharing the same narrative, even though little is actually known.  Compare this to when a left winger tried to assassinate a Supreme Court judge, or when a left winger brought a gun to a Republican baseball game and started shooting Republicans.  One day stories, and Democrats were never questioned about the rhetoric they use.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 08:57:04 pm
The left used to control twitter, now a rightwinger controls twitter.  Now the right is celebrating and the left panicking.  It's hilarious to watch this all unfold.

I don't have a twitter account.  IDGAF.
You can now insist that only women can get pregnant and that covid might have come from a lab, so lefties are losing their sh*t.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 30, 2022, 09:01:42 pm
For questioning facts around the Pelosi attack and posting a crappy source then deleting it?

Anything crazy that happens politically in the month running up to a major US election should be questioned.

#OctoberSurprise!

Yes - that's enough isn't it ? 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 09:02:44 pm
Breaking news!  Twitter to start charging monthly fees for blue check verification accounts.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 30, 2022, 09:03:24 pm
The left used to control twitter, now a rightwinger controls twitter.  Now the right is celebrating and the left panicking.  It's hilarious to watch this all unfold.

I don't have a twitter account.  IDGAF.

I wouldn't call him a rightwinger.

I doubt the last guy was a leftwinger either.

This is just a broken way to frame a fight between billionaires who are fighting to own a corner of the social media space...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 09:10:57 pm
I wouldn't call him a rightwinger.

I doubt the last guy was a leftwinger either.

This is just a broken way to frame a fight between billionaires who are fighting to own a corner of the social media space...
NBC News is reporting of a possible 3rd person in the house at the time.  How do you feel about this MH?  Is it acceptable to you?  Should they delete the tweet.

https://twitter.com/meetthepress/status/1586720402553839616?s=46&t=X_d2U4BERx1UeeGuPKd-xQ
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 30, 2022, 09:21:56 pm
NBC News is reporting of a possible 3rd person in the house at the time.  How do you feel about this MH?  Is it acceptable to you?  Should they delete the tweet.

https://twitter.com/meetthepress/status/1586720402553839616?s=46&t=X_d2U4BERx1UeeGuPKd-xQ

Sorry... What are you talking about ?  He OWNS twitter, he RUNS twitter... he quoted a known fake news site.  Did the previous guy do that ?  Did he get involved in the news at all ?  I don't know what his politics was....

I don't know what NBC did - just tell me and don't force me to watch a 3 minute video... that is a waste of time if I don't trust that you are being intellectually honest - can't you see that ?

This is totally inappropriate.

And I don't think Musk is right-wing either... you guys are stupid for buying into all that narrative...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 30, 2022, 09:56:16 pm
Yes - that's enough isn't it ?

Well it's not very smart of him to post that link.  But he did delete it after it was exposed as fake or whatever.  Maybe he didn't know.  I think it's a good thing to ask questions & be skeptical, and a bad thing to accept conclusions without good evidence.

After Vietnam and the Iraq War we should not take the government at it's word all the time, and some of the media may be complicit.  Politicians lie, and media sometimes has agendas.

I think the government and the media has a lot of blame for all the rightwing conspiracy folks.  People don't trust them, but they also aren't smart enough to tell what is truth or lies.  A low-trust society leads to hyper-vigilance against threats, that's not a good thing.  Very low trust societies (say, Somalia, or the ghetto part of an American city) means everyone has a gun in order to protect themselves and can't rely on the government to protect their basic security, which is their #1 job.

Canadian society has high trust, people don't own guns, they call the cops.  But this is changing quickly.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 30, 2022, 09:57:21 pm
I wouldn't call him a rightwinger.

I doubt the last guy was a leftwinger either.

Disagree x 2.

Twitter HQ is based in San Fran, a notoriously leftwing city, most people working for twitter are leftwing.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 30, 2022, 10:07:53 pm
Disagree x 2.

Twitter HQ is based in San Fran, a notoriously leftwing city, most people working for twitter are leftwing.

So EVERYONE in the city is left wing...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 30, 2022, 10:09:25 pm
 ???

He's a dork and I think he's a wannabe lefty

I think he's a bad prospect to fix twitter.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 30, 2022, 10:23:16 pm
???

He's a dork and I think he's a wannabe lefty

I think he's a bad prospect to fix twitter.
He’s not a wannabe lefty, he was a lefty before lefties became insane.  Classical liberal positions like free speech are not idiotically considered right wing.  So are other freedoms.  Ceding freedom to your political opponents isn’t a really good strategy, as Democrats are about to find out in the mid terms.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 30, 2022, 10:35:20 pm
It is amazing that it’s now a days long story with the media already sharing the same narrative, even though little is actually known.  Compare this to when a left winger tried to assassinate a Supreme Court judge, or when a left winger brought a gun to a Republican baseball game and started shooting Republicans.  One day stories, and Democrats were never questioned about the rhetoric they use.

The Kavanaugh story went away because he was never in danger and no one was hurt. The Scalise shooting was big news for days. And the reason people question Republican rhetoric is Republicans keep being terrorists.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 30, 2022, 10:42:00 pm
NBC News is reporting of a possible 3rd person in the house at the time.  How do you feel about this MH?  Is it acceptable to you?  Should they delete the tweet.

https://twitter.com/meetthepress/status/1586720402553839616?s=46&t=X_d2U4BERx1UeeGuPKd-xQ

Here’s the far right Washington Examiner pouring water on this stupidity:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/police-clarify-unknown-person-mystery-pelosi-home-attack


Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 30, 2022, 11:00:24 pm
So EVERYONE in the city is left wing...

Lol no.  But maybe haha.

But tech companies and their employees in the Bay area are known to be notoriously leftwing.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 30, 2022, 11:04:08 pm
???

He's a dork and I think he's a wannabe lefty

I think he's a bad prospect to fix twitter.

He's a wannabe lefty for supporting the trucker convoy, buying twitter to protect free speech, and posting Pelosi conspiracy theories?  C'mon Mikey read the room!

Whether he can fix twitter or not i guess remains to be seen.  I have no strong opinion on the odds.  But he probably has more balls than the outgoing group to leave up things that offend some people.  He may not have the balls to stand up to China government misinformation, because he seems to kiss their butts re: Tesla.  He has some conflicts of interest.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 06:40:08 am
1. He's a wannabe lefty for supporting the trucker convoy, buying twitter to protect free speech, and posting Pelosi conspiracy theories?  C'mon Mikey read the room!

2. Whether he can fix twitter or not i guess remains to be seen.  I have no strong opinion on the odds.  But he probably has more balls than the outgoing group to leave up things that offend some people.  He may not have the balls to stand up to China government misinformation, because he seems to kiss their butts re: Tesla.  He has some conflicts of interest.

1. Read the Tweets
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008013111058526209?t=4-v7RenJrQPQwBhnYhAT4w&s=19

2. Having the "balls" to offend people is not helpful to the main problems: the product isn't good for people, and it doesn't even make money.

"Some" conflicts of interest.... 🤔
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 06:58:35 am
Lol no.  But maybe haha.

But tech companies and their employees in the Bay area are known to be notoriously leftwing.

Anyway, you could have just Googled to find out...

It turns out Jack Dorsey was a Democrat-leaning billionaire with his own conflicts of interest.  He supported oddball fringe Democrat Gabbard and prompted this from Candace Owen:

Quote
“The communists will run Twitter soon,” tweeted right-wing commentator Candace Owens after the news of Dorsey’s departure broke.


Again - the left/right dichotomy is a really dumb lens to compare these young and unwise tech billionaires and how they might change the public sphere.  If you care about democracy, then maybe the question should be how we should collectively set the table for good political discussion not choosing between two erratic bozos who were in the right place at the right time.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 07:08:18 am
The left was enraged by Dorsey, who allowed far-right threats and harassment and whose algorithm promoted fringe groups...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 09:15:09 am
Here's the politics that Musk's new platform promotes:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-mocks-nancy-pelosis-husbands-hammer-attack-with-meme

Everybody cackling and joshing as they celebrate 'free speech' without worrying about anything else about it... as the town hall disappears and turns into a hillbilly bar
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 31, 2022, 10:34:18 am
Anyway, you could have just Googled to find out...

It turns out Jack Dorsey was a Democrat-leaning billionaire with his own conflicts of interest.  He supported oddball fringe Democrat Gabbard and prompted this from Candace Owen:

Again - the left/right dichotomy is a really dumb lens to compare these young and unwise tech billionaires and how they might change the public sphere. If you care about democracy, then maybe the question should be how we should collectively set the table for good political discussion not choosing between two erratic bozos who were in the right place at the right time.

This is a good point. The last 50 years or so has been the process of surrendering almost all our public goods over to unaccountable private entities to the point where a handful of insecure, neurotic egomaniacal freaks own all our significant means of communication. It's basically a gilded age redux but with an inferior class of robber baron.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 31, 2022, 10:48:48 am
Breaking news!  Twitter to start charging monthly fees for blue check verification accounts.

Great way to kill the feature and open up the field for more fake accounts.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 11:09:08 am
This is a good point. The last 50 years or so has been the process of surrendering almost all our public goods over to unaccountable private entities to the point where a handful of insecure, neurotic egomaniacal freaks own all our significant means of communication. It's basically a gilded age redux but with an inferior class of robber baron.

Highly inferior.

The TV networks had the FCC watching them VERY closely.  With social media, it was never even a question as to whether the government should control it.  They have tax-free status and even monopoly attributes.  Nobody questions that.  Does the MSM care ?  "Leftist" CNN ?  That is called ideology.

And let's look at our little playthings ... our "tech" billionaires... they seem to all have been born into the velvet throne of extreme privilege - Gates, Zuckerberg, Musk anyway...

Henry Ford & Dale Carnegie -> born on farms
Vanderbilt - started running his own ferry at 16 years of age in NY city
JD Rockefeller - dad was a travelling salesman

Henry Ford became the richest man in America in the 1920s... today he would be worth $26 BILLION, a tenth of Musk, and just in the top 25 behind THIS lady who you've never heard of.  Billionaire American Israeli lady who owns the SANDS hotel and bankrolls Trump...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_Adelson

Yeah, privilege isn't about whether you think you should use the right pronouns, it's about marrying casino owners and pardoning Israelis who spn on the US.




Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on October 31, 2022, 11:44:47 am
And she thinks there should be a "Book of Trump" in the Bible. That's reassuring.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 12:23:48 pm
And she thinks there should be a "Book of Trump" in the Bible. That's reassuring.

Hey, MAN.  She EARNED that money.  She married a rich old guy who died so she should have the right to enact political power millions of times the scale that you and I have as mere non-Israeli Billionaires with dual citizenship who like Trump
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 01:02:52 pm
Here's the politics that Musk's new platform promotes:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-mocks-nancy-pelosis-husbands-hammer-attack-with-meme

Everybody cackling and joshing as they celebrate 'free speech' without worrying about anything else about it... as the town hall disappears and turns into a hillbilly bar

They haven't changed any Twitter policy yet, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 01:07:38 pm
This is a good point. The last 50 years or so has been the process of surrendering almost all our public goods over to unaccountable private entities to the point where a handful of insecure, neurotic egomaniacal freaks own all our significant means of communication. It's basically a gilded age redux but with an inferior class of robber baron.

You mean compared to before social media & internet when most media was owned by private newspaper companies, tv and radio stations, film studios etc?

Twitter is a private company.  All you can do is regulate it or consumers & advertisers complain or leave.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 31, 2022, 01:17:56 pm
They haven't changed any Twitter policy yet, as far as I know.
Exactly.  The pearl clutching is highly entertaining.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 31, 2022, 01:21:08 pm
You mean compared to before social media & internet when most media was owned by private newspaper companies, tv and radio stations, film studios etc?

Twitter is a private company.  All you can do is regulate it or consumers & advertisers complain or leave.

There's a massive difference between "being owned by private companies" and "everything is owned by, like, three dudes". There used to be locally-owned newspapers, TV and radio stations. All that is gone now, either strip mined by private equity firms or subsumed into some billionaire's empire of holdings.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 01:58:22 pm
They haven't changed any Twitter policy yet, as far as I know.

No - but the significance of Musk's first actions are pretty clear.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 01:59:02 pm
You mean compared to before social media & internet when most media was owned by private newspaper companies, tv and radio stations, film studios etc?

Twitter is a private company.  All you can do is regulate it or consumers & advertisers complain or leave.

Good point.  There were differences though:

FCC monitoring
Monopoly regulations
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 02:30:46 pm
Social media don't have a monopoly.  There's lots of social media companies, instagram and facebook and twitter and tiktok are in direct competition.  Trump started some fascist twitter or something.  New popular platforms pop up all the time.  Maybe tiktok was the latest?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 02:38:49 pm
There's a massive difference between "being owned by private companies" and "everything is owned by, like, three dudes". There used to be locally-owned newspapers, TV and radio stations. All that is gone now, either strip mined by private equity firms or subsumed into some billionaire's empire of holdings.

Yes media concentration is a huge issue.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 02:39:34 pm
No - but the significance of Musk's first actions are pretty clear.

What did he do?  I honestly don't know.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 31, 2022, 02:46:52 pm
What did he do?  I honestly don't know.
He said something that MH doesn't like.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 31, 2022, 02:51:20 pm
Yes media concentration is a huge issue.
What's funny is that before Musk bought Twitter, nobody said anything about Bezo's owning the Washington Post, Zuckerberg owning Facebook and Instagram, China owning Tik Tok, Eric Schmidt owning Google, which essentially completely controls all internets searching.  NOW it's an issue that Musk is buying Twitter, and not manipulating Twitter feeds, not shadow banning people, not suppressing stories damaging to Democrats, and not banning people based on political beliefs, like insisting that only women can give birth.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 03:00:29 pm
What did he do?  I honestly don't know.

He retweeted an actual fake news site story -

Quote
Musk linked to a no-longer-accessible article from the Santa Monica Observer—which has spread false information in the past—that appeared to claim without any evidence that no one broke into the Pelosis’ home and that Paul Pelosi was having an affair with a male prostitute, even though police say Pelosi called 911 during the attack.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelinehalpert/2022/10/30/musk-shares-unfounded-conspiracy-theory-about-paul-pelosi-attack-on-twitter/?sh=12110589316e
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 03:01:48 pm
23% of US adults use Twitter....

That's comparable to US Network News presence in the heyday of television.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 31, 2022, 03:21:22 pm
What's funny is that before Musk bought Twitter, nobody said anything about Bezo's owning the Washington Post, Zuckerberg owning Facebook and Instagram, China owning Tik Tok, Eric Schmidt owning Google, which essentially completely controls all internets searching.  NOW it's an issue that Musk is buying Twitter, and not manipulating Twitter feeds, not shadow banning people, not suppressing stories damaging to Democrats, and not banning people based on political beliefs, like insisting that only women can give birth.

Either this is a case of goldfish brain in action or just willful ignorance.

Bezos buys Washington Post: a bad news story
 (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3sPpnOkcXncJ:https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/08/17/bezos_buys_washington_post_a_bad_news_story.html&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)

Bezos and the Washington Post: A Skeptical View
 (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Oy_Js9rP7ZsJ:https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bezos-and-the-washington-post-a-skeptical-view&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)

Facebook has been a constant magnet for controversy from spreading disinformation and literally aiding genocide. Instagram is hated by its own users for its terrible UX and indifference to anyone but advertisers. Tik Tok's censorship has been widely publicized and Google has literally been sued by the government of for monopolistic practices.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 03:34:09 pm
He retweeted an actual fake news site story -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelinehalpert/2022/10/30/musk-shares-unfounded-conspiracy-theory-about-paul-pelosi-attack-on-twitter/?sh=12110589316e

Wouldn't that be as a twitter user and not an administrative action?  Today he dismissed the 9 board members and now has full control (for now).

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 05:21:09 pm
Do you think that his Tweets are irrelevant?

The owner's Tweets should be ignored?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 05:22:13 pm
My point is that they reveal an immature personality, not fit for this role.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 05:27:01 pm
Do you think that his Tweets are irrelevant?

The owner's Tweets should be ignored?

Fair enough point.

I think the most important thing with twitter moderation is fairness, and no bias in political agenda.  And I suppose getting rid of bots and foreign interference in elections.

Musk has political bias, but has actually laid out ideas for twitter modding.  He will not be involved personally in individual decisions, but will be involved in creating the policy, with others.  I think he's smart enough to do it right, though let's see if his bias sets in.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on October 31, 2022, 05:30:47 pm
Fair enough point.

I think the most important thing with twitter moderation is fairness, and no bias in political agenda.  And I suppose getting rid of bots and foreign interference in elections.


Musk has political bias, but has actually laid out ideas for twitter modding.  He will not be involved personally in individual decisions, but will be involved in creating the policy, with others.  I think he's smart enough to do it right, though let's see if his bias sets in.

Do you think there's room in moderation for countering disinformation? Because that's where things get muddy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 05:42:56 pm
I just feel that I don't trust someone so impulsive.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 06:00:19 pm
Do you think there's room in moderation for countering disinformation? Because that's where things get muddy.

I don't know.  Tough call.

Can't you counter misinformation in the comments below?  Tough to say what is misinformation and what isn't and who decides and where to draw the line.

So I would say unless it comes from nefarious foreign governments seeking political influence, it's fair game unfortunately.  It seems like the nature of the internet:  access to all ideas, opinions, and info.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 06:02:03 pm
Would you have a problem banning a clear and outright lie that Musk actually TWEETED?

A piece that no newspaper would run?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 06:09:48 pm
Would you have a problem banning a clear and outright lie that Musk actually TWEETED?

A piece that no newspaper would run?

I don't know.  Tough call.  At what point is a private company responsible to protect others against the lies and speech of other users?  Maybe when that speech is illegal?

So is slander/libel a part of this?

Are ISP's responsible to keep yucky websites away from us?  Or is free speech more important?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 06:21:40 pm
What if you think of Twitter as a newspaper and users as contributors?

It's not a tough call for an editor.

What's the value of allowing utter lies to run, and even promoting disinformation?

Should they be free to say anything
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 31, 2022, 06:29:03 pm
What if you think of Twitter as a newspaper and users as contributors?

It's not a tough call for an editor.

What's the value of allowing utter lies to run, and even promoting disinformation?

Should they be free to say anything
But Twitter is NOT a publisher.  Government exemptions made in the law specify that fact.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 31, 2022, 07:12:33 pm
I just feel that I don't trust someone so impulsive.

You have limited options:

Quit Tweeter;

Give Musk an offer he can’t refuse and buy it. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on October 31, 2022, 07:23:21 pm
No, he can also express his opinion by talking about it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 31, 2022, 07:39:00 pm
But Twitter is NOT a publisher.  Government exemptions made in the law specify that fact.

I'm firstly speaking to the idea that it's difficult to edit lies, discern facts etc.

Secondly, why should this media be given so much power and latitude?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 08:34:51 pm
What if you think of Twitter as a newspaper and users as contributors?

It's not a tough call for an editor.

What's the value of allowing utter lies to run, and even promoting disinformation?

Should they be free to say anything

What if Twitter is more like the telephone company, or internet ISP, where its a communication platform and users are free to speak on its platform however it pleases unless they break the law?  Would you censor people's phone calls or delete "bad" websites with bad ideas or misinformation that weren't breaking the law?

And who decides what is "bad" legal speech vs not?  Who decides what is "misinformation" and where do you draw that line?  These systems are often flawed and create their own problems, and then people complain of being silenced.

The public square, where someone gets on the sidewalk on their soapbox and speaks their mind, is not limited in speech except that which is illegal.  You seem to typically err on the side of censorship and curtailing civil liberties if it will provide more order.

I don't even believe in "hate speech".  Any speech threatening violence towards someone should already be covered by the law, so you can add violent threats towards "groups" to that too.  Spreading basic dislike towards any group should be legal (although typically unethical, and governed by social norms & pressures).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 31, 2022, 08:43:14 pm
I'm firstly speaking to the idea that it's difficult to edit lies, discern facts etc.

Secondly, why should this media be given so much power and latitude?

Why shouldn't we be able to speak whatever ideas, beliefs, and information that we believe?  This is one of the core aspects of a liberal democratic society.  Because in dictatorships like China or the middle-ages British monarchy they censor info, ideas, and opinions they don't approve of.

Shouldn't it be up to the individual to discern what is a reliable source of info vs not?  Why should the government or some organization "protect you"?  If somebody believes vaccines cause autism without any good scientific evidence because a **** star says so then they are dumb and that's their problem.  The cure is information to the contrary backed by evidence.  If the dumb-dumbs in the southern US want to not take the COVID vaccine and die then ok they die, it's a free country.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 01, 2022, 12:49:08 am
Why shouldn't we be able to speak whatever ideas, beliefs, and information that we believe?  This is one of the core aspects of a liberal democratic society.  Because in dictatorships like China or the middle-ages British monarchy they censor info, ideas, and opinions they don't approve of.

Shouldn't it be up to the individual to discern what is a reliable source of info vs not?  Why should the government or some organization "protect you"?  If somebody believes vaccines cause autism without any good scientific evidence because a **** star says so then they are dumb and that's their problem.  The cure is information to the contrary backed by evidence.  If the dumb-dumbs in the southern US want to not take the COVID vaccine and die then ok they die, it's a free country.

That’s great in theory but that’s not how it works. Take your antivaxx analogy: it’s all well and goood if the only people paying the price we’re the dummies buying the snake oil, but diseases don’t care about your beliefs and that’s how you get stuff like polio or measles roaring back. And history shows us how cancerous ideas can metastasize. Christ just look at the link between conspiracy theories like Qanon and the 2020 election have led to real world violence. I don’t pretend to have an answer but the idea that the best orders will triumph in the marketplace is not borne out.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 01, 2022, 05:16:38 am
1. What if Twitter is more like the telephone company, or internet ISP, where its a communication platform and users are free to speak on its platform however it pleases unless they break the law?  Would you censor people's phone calls or delete "bad" websites with bad ideas or misinformation that weren't breaking the law?

2. And who decides what is "bad" legal speech vs not?  Who decides what is "misinformation" and where do you draw that line?  These systems are often flawed and create their own problems, and then people complain of being silenced.

3. The public square, where someone gets on the sidewalk on their soapbox and speaks their mind, is not limited in speech except that which is illegal.  You seem to typically err on the side of censorship and curtailing civil liberties if it will provide more order.

4. I don't even believe in "hate speech".  Any speech threatening violence towards someone should already be covered by the law, so you can add violent threats towards "groups" to that too.  Spreading basic dislike towards any group should be legal (although typically unethical, and governed by social norms & pressures).

1. We can look at this.  First of all it's clearly not just like the telephone.  The government of Canada did censor phone lines, such as robocallers and message services that desseminated hate speech.
2. The idea that it's too difficult to determine what's false or not is strange.  Throughout your post you assume there's an ability by some agency to do that.
3.I absolutely believe that people should be able to say anything in public, as long as they're not trying to command a riot.
4. So you seem to think it's possible to specify what constitutes "spreading dislike" , "violence"... Probably can be done.  Just as the Press Council can easily determine the Toronto Sun published lies about Muslim refugees, or a fake news outlet regularly posts lies about Democrats and did so about Pelosi.

We allow Free Speech to create a marketplace of ideas but a market where bad ideas dominate is a broken market.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 01, 2022, 05:18:36 am
Why shouldn't we be able to speak whatever ideas, beliefs, and information that we believe?  This is one of the core aspects of a liberal democratic society.  Because in dictatorships like China or the middle-ages British monarchy they censor info, ideas, and opinions they don't approve of.

Shouldn't it be up to the individual to discern what is a reliable source of info vs not?  Why should the government or some organization "protect you"?  If somebody believes vaccines cause autism without any good scientific evidence because a **** star says so then they are dumb and that's their problem.  The cure is information to the contrary backed by evidence.  If the dumb-dumbs in the southern US want to not take the COVID vaccine and die then ok they die, it's a free country.

You ARE allowed to say whatever you want.  You can't run a TV ad that lies about things though.  Why is this?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 01, 2022, 08:56:58 am
I'm firstly speaking to the idea that it's difficult to edit lies, discern facts etc.

Secondly, why should this media be given so much power and latitude?
Their given the exemption because they’re not suppose to be publishers.  However, I agree, there should be no exemption if they’re going to act like publishers.  That’s what conservatives have been saying for a while now.  Welcome to the club.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 01, 2022, 09:46:06 am
Their given the exemption because they’re not suppose to be publishers.  However, I agree, there should be no exemption if they’re going to act like publishers.  That’s what conservatives have been saying for a while now.  Welcome to the club.

I think you're referring to their liability for things published under their domains.  Maybe that's a good idea to make them more responsible but it seems too much to allow facebook to be sued if I call you a **** on Facebook.

But at least you're getting the most important part: social media can't be EXACTLY compared to:

-A newspaper
-A guy on a milk crate calling for the extermination of the ****
-A TV network
-A radio

In fact it's all of these and none of them.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 01, 2022, 11:14:26 am
We allow Free Speech to create a marketplace of ideas but a market where bad ideas dominate is a broken market.

Or the notion that good ideas will inevitably triumph against bad ones is a naive fantasy that depends entirely on the belief that humans are rational beings.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 01, 2022, 11:31:15 am
We allow Free Speech to create a marketplace of ideas but a market where bad ideas dominate is a broken market.
This is nonsense.  “We allow”?  Who are you to allow somebody’s rights?  Free speech isn’t a market, it’s a right.  You’re not required to listen to anyone.  Yours is authoritarian thinking, completely incompatible with a free society.  People like you scare me for the future of our country, and the freedom that we enjoy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 01, 2022, 11:53:58 am
People like you scare me for the future of our country, and the freedom that we enjoy.
How do you feel about people who plan a riot and attack the Capitol when they lose an election? How do you feel about people who attack their political rivals with hammers? Do they scare you?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 01, 2022, 11:54:24 am
This is nonsense.  “We allow”?  Who are you to allow somebody’s rights?  Free speech isn’t a market, it’s a right.  You’re not required to listen to anyone. Yours is authoritarian thinking, completely incompatible with a free society.  People like you scare me for the future of our country, and the freedom that we enjoy.

No one is obligated to give anyone a platform either, which is what 99% of contemporary free speech debates are about, moron.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 01, 2022, 12:13:37 pm
Meanwhile Marjorie Taylor Greene is promising investigations of those who withdrew their financial support of GOP Big Lie candidates.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 01, 2022, 12:13:48 pm
1. This is nonsense.  “We allow”? 
2. Who are you to allow somebody’s rights? 
3. Free speech isn’t a market, it’s a right. 
4. You’re not required to listen to anyone. 
5. Yours is authoritarian thinking, completely incompatible with a free society. 
6. People like you scare me for the future of our country, and the freedom that we enjoy.
1. Yes, the systems that you, I and the rest of the country build and support allow for certain things to happen and others to not happen.
2. I'm a citizen who has a voice in this like you.
3. Speech is restricted by law in a zillion ways.  If you prefer to just pout and say "It's a right", then cross your arms in the corner while the rest of us determine what all of that means, you are free to do so.
4. I understand that.
5. You are giving a completely hysterical overreaction to me explaining how our system works.  But who am I to censor that really ?
6. Understood.  People who repeat slogans like "Free Speech is a right" without listening or trying to understand what it all means are what scare me.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 01, 2022, 12:16:56 pm
No one is obligated to give anyone a platform either, which is what 99% of contemporary free speech debates are about, moron.

I think the fact that Shady is asking questions about this means we have to indulge a respectful conversation at least until he bows out...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 01, 2022, 12:21:25 pm
I think the fact that Shady is asking questions about this means we have to indulge a respectful conversation at least until he bows out...

No, "Who are you to allow somebody’s rights?" is not a serious question and no, we don't have to indulge anything (freedom of association and all that).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 01, 2022, 12:27:22 pm
No, "Who are you to allow somebody’s rights?" is not a serious question and no, we don't have to indulge anything (freedom of association and all that).

That said, few people have been present at the dawn of a new age in communication so OF COURSE they will fall back to the precepts, slogans and general understandings of what happened under the past setup.

Radio was such a pervasive thing that people didn't think it was going to be private.  Television was thought to be just radio with pictures.  Cable TV was just thought to be more TV.

None of these ideas was completely wrong but they couldn't anticipate the changes that came from the new media.

As such, when the general public looks at a new medium through the rearview mirror it's forgiveable, given that even the powers that be did before. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 01, 2022, 12:31:22 pm
That said, few people have been present at the dawn of a new age in communication so OF COURSE they will fall back to the precepts, slogans and general understandings of what happened under the past setup.

The fundamental questions aren't new at all, though.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 01, 2022, 12:33:57 pm
The fundamental questions aren't new at all, though.

How so ?  If you have to apply them to a new technology then it's pretty tricky for anybody to not fall into a trap.

You're talking to an old McLuhan reader so...

He had a story about Muslim countries getting radio for the first time.  And old men who were religious laughing at dirty jokes being read over the radio for some reason.  Technology disarms people, is the point.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 01, 2022, 12:40:08 pm
How so ?  If you have to apply them to a new technology then it's pretty tricky for anybody to not fall into a trap.

You're talking to an old McLuhan reader so...

He had a story about Muslim countries getting radio for the first time.  And old men who were religious laughing at dirty jokes being read over the radio for some reason.  Technology disarms people, is the point.

The fundamental questions of what, if any, are the limits of free speech have been around since before the printing press.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 01, 2022, 12:52:23 pm
The fundamental questions of what, if any, are the limits of free speech have been around since before the printing press.

Sure.  And I know I'm *old* but I wasn't around in 1436.

No, most of the public has no idea about this stuff and that is not an insult.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 01, 2022, 04:33:16 pm
You ARE allowed to say whatever you want.  You can't run a TV ad that lies about things though.  Why is this?

You can lie on TV.  You can't do false advertising though, in advertising in general.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 01, 2022, 04:48:09 pm
I think you're referring to their liability for things published under their domains.  Maybe that's a good idea to make them more responsible but it seems too much to allow facebook to be sued if I call you a **** on Facebook.

But at least you're getting the most important part: social media can't be EXACTLY compared to:

-A newspaper
-A guy on a milk crate calling for the extermination of the ****
-A TV network
-A radio

In fact it's all of these and none of them.

Well you can't really sue the phone company because someone called you bad name over the phone.  You should sue the individual.  It's not FB's fault.  But they could be liable for keeping it published on their site.

Twitter isn't a book publishing company, or a tv network.  Those companies are publishing content.  They know exactly what is being published typically because everything goes through them beforehand.  Social media is a platform where people can publish their own content.  Similar to a blog, or this forum (also social media).  So i guess it's a unique form of media because it needs moderation because the users also publish the content.  They are free to create whatever moderation rules they want, within the law.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 02, 2022, 05:31:24 am
You can lie on TV.  You can't do false advertising though, in advertising in general.

Yes, and that seems like something that is easily managed.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 02, 2022, 09:51:22 am
Yes, and that seems like something that is easily managed.
We've already seen what it looks like when Twitter tries to moderate so-called "lies".  Legitimate stories like the lab leak and Hunter Biden lap top are suppressed.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 02, 2022, 10:58:01 am
We've already seen what it looks like when Twitter tries to moderate so-called "lies".  Legitimate stories like the lab leak and Hunter Biden lap top are suppressed.

What's the answer then?

You don't agree with stories you believe being moderated, so...no moderation?  Musk said no to that.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 02, 2022, 11:10:48 am
What's the answer then?

You don't agree with stories you believe being moderated, so...no moderation?  Musk said no to that.

The whole debate about twitter moderation becomes crystal clear when you realize that one side just wants to be able to write slurs.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 02, 2022, 11:14:06 am
Legitimate stories like the lab leak and Hunter Biden lap top are suppressed.

yeesh Shady! Quit your misinformin', hey!

BREAKING: Mark Zuckerberg ADMITS Facebook suppressed Hunter Biden story after FBI warning

let the waldo count the ways you're a misinforming twit!
=> FBI warning was generalized to Meta to be wary of Russian propaganda ahead of the November 2020 election
=> at the time, more than 50 former senior intelligence officials signed a letter claiming the laptop story 'had all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.'
=> "suppressed" didn't ban/block the related story; rather it was 'pushed down' in users newsfeeds
=> story 'push down' was for a weeks period only... until more information came forward to indicate whether the story was true or not

and ya Bubber! Hunter Biden stories are like catnip to Trumpers like Shady!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 02, 2022, 11:15:50 am
Ok, make the n word allowed then.

Ban bots and make the algorithm public.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 02, 2022, 11:29:07 am
Ok, make the n word allowed the.

"Make the website intolerable to use" I mean, I don't have a problem with that.

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Ban bots and make the algorithm public.

Good luck policing bots after cutting the workforce when they can't even do that now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 02, 2022, 11:41:33 am
1. "Make the website intolerable to use" I mean, I don't have a problem with that.

2. Good luck policing bots after cutting the workforce when they can't even do that now.
1. A couple of deranged hillbillies using that word will wash out pretty quickly if they get rid of the bots that promote that stuff.  You will be left with ACTUAL hard right racists, not sock puppets.
2. They can do it programatically.  They just... don't.  Guess why.

ALSO:

https://www.newsweek.com/fake-news-trumps-death-spreads-twitter-amid-misinformation-backlash-1756184

I must follow Tim Heidegger.... maybe a friend of his because I saw the Tweet that said Trump was dead.  I blocked all my Twitter ads too... Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 02, 2022, 12:08:28 pm
yeesh Shady! Quit your misinformin', hey!

let the waldo count the ways you're a misinforming twit!
=> FBI warning was generalized to Meta to be wary of Russian propaganda ahead of the November 2020 election
=> at the time, more than 50 former senior intelligence officials signed a letter claiming the laptop story 'had all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.'
=> "suppressed" didn't ban/block the related story; rather it was 'pushed down' in users newsfeeds
=> story 'push down' was for a weeks period only... until more information came forward to indicate whether the story was true or not

and ya Bubber! Hunter Biden stories are like catnip to Trumpers like Shady!
The FBI seized Hunter Biden's laptop in 2019.  They knew full well that it wasn't Russian in 2020.
Yes, 50 former intelligence officials interfered in an election by lying to the public.  What were these "earmarks"?  Did any stories negative of Trump have any of these same "earmarks"?  Why didn't they sign a letter about that?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 02, 2022, 01:44:13 pm
1. A couple of deranged hillbillies using that word will wash out pretty quickly if they get rid of the bots that promote that stuff.  You will be left with ACTUAL hard right racists, not sock puppets.

uh...ok?

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2. They can do it programatically.  They just... don't.  Guess why.


You tell me.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 02, 2022, 01:53:18 pm

You tell me.

Because shitstorms sell... the ignorant shaved monkey bleeding and shitting himself in the town square gets much less attention than the town manager quietly getting things done.

Trump is that shaved monkey and they need him and his Brown **** pretties to soil themselves for the sake of [not the children] THE SHAREHOLDERS.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 02, 2022, 05:28:04 pm
Ok, make the n word allowed then.

Here's a good debate:

What is better:

1. protecting people from offensive words/ideas

or

2. not protecting them and forcing people to become more resilient to offensive words

The left will say #1 because they are more compassionate but also hyper-sensitive especially to oppressed types.  The right will say #2 because they're less sensitive and less overly-compassionate, some might say "tougher" and more resilient, while others will say "they're just a-holes".

However, some people are indeed more sensitive and more emotionally affected by these bad words, especially if directed at them as an insult.  You don't want someone to go anorexic because someone calls them fat.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 02, 2022, 05:28:53 pm
Elon Musk's recent haircut where he shaved the sides of his hair and kept it long on top to look like a 17 year old is embarrassingly bad.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 02, 2022, 07:10:37 pm
Elon Musk's recent haircut where he shaved the sides of his hair and kept it long on top to look like a 17 year old is embarrassingly bad.

Especially since it shows off the scars from his hair transplant. Just a real try hard.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 02, 2022, 07:21:21 pm
Here's a good debate:

What is better:

1. protecting people from offensive words/ideas

or

2. not protecting them and forcing people to become more resilient to offensive words

The left will say #1 because they are more compassionate but also hyper-sensitive especially to oppressed types.  The right will say #2 because they're less sensitive and less overly-compassionate, some might say "tougher" and more resilient, while others will say "they're just a-holes".

However, some people are indeed more sensitive and more emotionally affected by these bad words, especially if directed at them as an insult.  You don't want someone to go anorexic because someone calls them fat.

Yeah that's how that works, that explains why, after like 300 years of hearing it from white people, no Black person is offended by the N word anymore.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 02, 2022, 07:33:50 pm
Yeah that's how that works, that explains why, after like 300 years of hearing it from white people, no Black person is offended by the N word anymore.

Did it offend them as much 200 years ago when they heard it every day from every white person they knew?  Is it why black people are astoundingly non-violent against white people in terms of resenting them for racism?

Is a child more resilient to bulling at school when they live with one sibling vs 6 other siblings who are frequently teasing each other and fighting amongst each other?

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 02, 2022, 07:35:28 pm
What's a better slogan: 

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger"

or

"Protect everyone from everything so they can never be harmed because being harmed feels bad"
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 02, 2022, 08:19:59 pm
Did it offend them as much 200 years ago when they heard it every day from every white person they knew?

No I’m sure the loved it then.

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Is a child more resilient to bulling at school when they live with one sibling vs 6 other siblings who are frequently teasing each other and fighting amongst each other?

They’re probably more likely to be the school bully. Also: I don’t know if behaviours within family dynamics are a meaningful predicator of how one behaves in other social situations.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 02, 2022, 09:16:43 pm
They’re probably more likely to be the school bully. Also: I don’t know if behaviours within family dynamics are a meaningful predicator of how one behaves in other social situations.

So if someone shelters and helicopter-parents their kids they grow up just as independent and resilient?  Often hard no on that from me.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 02, 2022, 09:19:43 pm
So if someone shelters and helicopter-parents their kids they grow up just as independent and resilient?  Often hard no on that from me.

So parents should what, beat the crap out of their kids or verbally abuse them to build resilience?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 02, 2022, 09:29:36 pm
So parents should what, beat the crap out of their kids or verbally abuse them to build resilience?

Let's ask Shady if your verbal abuse of him has built resilience to it.

Also you're in no position to want moderation on verbal abuse on social media platforms because you yourself are as bad as twitter trolls.  But yes I understand that you think verbal abuse towards people you don't like is acceptable while abuse towards people/groups seen as oppressed is unethical.  So I guess if you were a racist you'd be dropping the n word like a mad dog.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 02, 2022, 09:40:50 pm
Let's ask Shady if your verbal abuse of him has built resilience to it.

Also you're in no position to want moderation on verbal abuse on social media platforms because you yourself are as bad as twitter trolls.  But yes I understand that you think verbal abuse towards people you don't like is acceptable while abuse towards people/groups seen as oppressed is unethical. So I guess if you were a racist you'd be dropping the n word like a mad dog.

Yeah I think insulting racist right wing shitheads is fine and not comparable to using racial slurs and you’re a moron if you think they’re equivalent.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 02, 2022, 10:21:24 pm
Yeah I think insulting racist right wing shitheads is fine and not comparable to using racial slurs and you’re a moron if you think they’re equivalent.

"My verbal abuse is ethical"
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 02, 2022, 10:32:16 pm
"My dumb stupid wife deserved it"
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 03, 2022, 04:43:05 am
The n word is actually something that even the crazies don't like to say, in my experience.

The Toronto Sun and the Rebel do far more racial harm, without ever using it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 03, 2022, 07:44:42 am
Let's ask Shady if your verbal abuse of him has built resilience to it.

Careful. He might feel victimized and call you a groomer.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 03, 2022, 09:55:11 am
The n word is actually something that even the crazies don't like to say, in my experience.

The Toronto Sun and the Rebel do far more racial harm, without ever using it.

LOL how??  The Sun??
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 03, 2022, 10:40:29 am
"My verbal abuse is ethical"

Are you not aware of situational ethics?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 03, 2022, 11:00:52 am
"My verbal abuse is ethical"
Exactly.  They behave how they accuse other people behaving.  And “racist nazis” are anyone that disagrees with them.  They’re people who are against vaccine mandates for example.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 03, 2022, 11:08:58 am
They behave how they accuse other people behaving. 
So much projection. Now go call people groomers and fascists because they don't agree with you.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 03, 2022, 11:12:36 am
"My dumb stupid wife deserved it"

"Fighting the Nazis was wrong and made us no better than them."
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 03, 2022, 11:14:06 am
So much projection. Now go call people groomers and fascists because they don't agree with you.
You've never enjoyed the taste of your own medicine.  Regardless, I only call people groomers that want to groom children.  And I only call people nazis who want to take way our freedoms.  I don't call people who are against vaccine mandates ie for personal freedom, a nazi, because I realize how stupid that is.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 03, 2022, 11:44:31 am
"Fighting the Nazis was wrong and made us no better than them."
"I'm going to fight Nazis by hauling them into camps, branding their arms and gassing all of them and then throwing their bodies into ovens"
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 03, 2022, 12:05:43 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/K4qKGU3.jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 03, 2022, 12:17:24 pm
"I'm going to fight Nazis by hauling them into camps, branding their arms and gassing all of them and then throwing their bodies into ovens"

lol do you even know what you're arguing because I sure as hell don't.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 03, 2022, 12:39:10 pm
You've never enjoyed the taste of your own medicine.  Regardless, I only call people groomers that want to groom children.  And I only call people nazis who want to take way our freedoms.  I don't call people who are against vaccine mandates ie for personal freedom, a nazi, because I realize how stupid that is.
Yes, you only call people fascists for recommending public health measures, not for inciting mobs to try to overturn democracy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 03, 2022, 02:54:59 pm
LOL how??  The Sun??

Look up the Press Council complaint about them.  Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 03, 2022, 02:59:19 pm
Look up the Press Council complaint about them.  Embarrassing.

The one from that vile hog Su Ann Levy where she claimed migrants were slaughtering goats in hotel rooms that led to someone trying to burn a hotel down?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 03, 2022, 08:17:39 pm
Yea
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 05, 2022, 01:55:22 pm
What a surprise. Elan is a fragile little baby. 😂
https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/1588663102798966785?t=3AJMNDPbKP78a0urv0ONtw&s=19
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 05, 2022, 02:11:45 pm
What a surprise. Elan is a fragile little baby. 😂
https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/1588663102798966785?t=3AJMNDPbKP78a0urv0ONtw&s=19

Free speech guy doesn't like the speech of some other guy so he blocks him.  Hahaha.

But I think the plan isn't to get rid of moderation, it's that he doesn't like the old moderation and therefore is going to replace them with new moderators.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 05, 2022, 02:49:30 pm
Why wouldn't he try giving them some guidance on how he wants it moderated first? Even just to avoid paying severance?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 05, 2022, 03:55:26 pm
Free speech guy doesn't like the speech of some other guy so he blocks him.  Hahaha.

But I think the plan isn't to get rid of moderation, it's that he doesn't like the old moderation and therefore is going to replace them with new moderators.
Blocking somebody has nothing to do with free speech.  Nobody is entitled to have their speech heard.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 05, 2022, 04:14:26 pm
Free speech guy doesn't like the speech of some other guy so he blocks him.  Hahaha.

Twitter is also banning tons of Elon Musk parody accounts.

He's also whinging about advertisers pulling out in droves because he doesn't believe in the free market.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 05, 2022, 04:39:24 pm
Blocking somebody has nothing to do with free speech.  Nobody is entitled to have their speech heard.

K then you agree when Twitter blocks Trump.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 05, 2022, 04:41:37 pm
Why wouldn't he try giving them some guidance on how he wants it moderated first? Even just to avoid paying severance?

He wants a clean slate of fresh people who he can hire who are free from the old moderation ideas which apparently he didn't like which is the whole reason he bought the site. It's not really a high deal, it's his company he can hire who he wants.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 05, 2022, 04:44:35 pm
K then you agree when Twitter blocks Trump.
I don’t think you know the difference between block and suspend.  All blocking means is that somebody can’t read you tweets and you won’t see theirs.  It doesn’t stop that person from tweeting.  Suspending, permanently means that person is no longer allowed on Twitter.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 05, 2022, 04:45:41 pm
Twitter is also banning tons of Elon Musk parody accounts.

He's also whinging about advertisers pulling out in droves because he doesn't believe in the free market.

He sounds like a dictator.

He probably also didn't like that Twitter account that tracked the whereabouts of his private jet around the world.  Ok so he buys Twitter to ban him lol
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 05, 2022, 04:47:01 pm
I don’t think you know the difference between block and suspend.  All blocking means is that somebody can’t read you tweets and you won’t see theirs.  It doesn’t stop that person from tweeting.  Suspending, permanently means that person is no longer allowed on Twitter.

Like you said, nobody has a right to have their speech heard.   It's a private company they can ban anyone they please.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 05, 2022, 04:52:13 pm
Like you said, nobody has a right to have their speech heard.   It's a private company they can ban anyone they please.
Blocking isn’t banning though.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 05, 2022, 07:43:55 pm
Why wouldn't he try giving them some guidance on how he wants it moderated first? Even just to avoid paying severance?

The 50% layoff number means to me that he planned to do this before he joined.  If you wanted to do this, it's impossible to imagine doing it in one week as he did unless you showed up day 1 and said "tell all people managers, directors, and VPs to give me lists of people to let go by tomorrow" then the next 5 days rushing to get the legal aspect arranged.

Now the question becomes "why" ?  It's not bc he's changing moderation rules because there's no way 1/2 the company was doing that.  I guess it was just cost cutting.  But pretty draconian to me.  Not sure if it will backfire.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 05, 2022, 08:12:42 pm
Blocking isn’t banning though.

Nobody is entitled to have their speech heard.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 06, 2022, 02:00:26 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-06/twitter-now-asks-some-fired-workers-to-please-come-back

"Not sure if it will backfire"

Looks like it did.

I was part of a poorly executed layoffs once.

Not good.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 06, 2022, 02:28:07 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-06/twitter-now-asks-some-fired-workers-to-please-come-back

"Not sure if it will backfire"

Looks like it did.

I was part of a poorly executed layoffs once.

Not good.
Hopefully it’s not the ones that were allegedly selling verified status for thousands of dollars under the table.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 07, 2022, 08:03:37 am
(https://i.imgur.com/24cvDb2_d.webp?maxwidth=520&shape=thumb&fidelity=high)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 07, 2022, 10:12:02 am
What a **** baby:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg66cOGWYAAZx-H?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 07, 2022, 10:40:58 am
What a **** baby:


No no no no ... you are missing the really interesting thing: what a MICROMANAGING baby...

Managing Twitter isn't like managing a car company, a payment company, a rocket company.  He's going to drive himself crazy whether he succeeds or not.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 07, 2022, 10:45:37 am
lol oh my god

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fguk0bmXgAA7H6S?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 07, 2022, 10:47:13 am

No no no no ... you are missing the really interesting thing: what a MICROMANAGING baby...

Managing Twitter isn't like managing a car company, a payment company, a rocket company.  He's going to drive himself crazy whether he succeeds or not.

(https://i.imgflip.com/6zutj6.jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 07, 2022, 10:47:25 am
lol oh my god

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fguk0bmXgAA7H6S?format=jpg&name=small)

Is that really Grimes ?  I don't know if Blue Checks are real rn
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 07, 2022, 10:55:33 am
Is that really Grimes ?  I don't know if Blue Checks are real rn

Yup.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 07, 2022, 12:13:20 pm
Musk now endorsing GOP on Twitter.   What a piece of ****
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 07, 2022, 12:18:28 pm
Musk now endorsing GOP on Twitter.   What a piece of ****
Yes, he prefers divided government.  Historically, so do voters.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 07, 2022, 12:20:18 pm
Yes, he prefers divided government.  Historically, so do voters.

You believe that crap?  He hates Biden.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 07, 2022, 12:35:47 pm
You believe that crap?  He hates Biden.
Most voters do.  His approval rating is terrible.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 07, 2022, 01:11:29 pm
Musk now endorsing GOP on Twitter.   What a piece of ****

Back in April he said "For Twitter to deserve public trust, it must be politically neutral." But I guess that was a lie too.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 07, 2022, 03:19:40 pm
Is this a metaphor? I think it's a metaphor:

Hyperloop prototype tunnel to become a parking lot (https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-spacex-hyperloop-texas-boring-company-1849736888)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 07, 2022, 03:28:33 pm
Honestly there are small children with a better grasp of politics than this guy.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg-5fyIVEAA1FLR?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 07, 2022, 03:58:34 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/6pJNYBYSMFod2/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 07:11:48 am
Twitter user growth now at record high.
https://twitter.com/watcherguru/status/1589732372807053312?s=46&t=X_d2U4BERx1UeeGuPKd-xQ
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 08, 2022, 07:38:22 am
I thought it was weird how much some people worshipped Obama, but between Elan and Trump, you guys are downright creepy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 08:18:38 am
I thought it was weird how much some people worshipped Obama, but between Elan and Trump, you guys are downright creepy.
I thought that was creepy too until I saw the Trudeau worshippers.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 08, 2022, 08:20:59 am
I thought that was creepy too until I saw the Trudeau worshippers.

Trudeau worshipperS ?  Where do you see such people ?  I don't see them anywhere.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 08:34:02 am
Trudeau worshipperS ?  Where do you see such people ?  I don't see them anywhere.
Waldo is the perfect example.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 09:57:57 am
Twitter user growth now at record high.
https://twitter.com/watcherguru/status/1589732372807053312?s=46&t=X_d2U4BERx1UeeGuPKd-xQ

Everyone loves to watch a car crash.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 08, 2022, 10:32:31 am
Waldo is the perfect example.

I realize you feel that way, that's why I capitalized the S in worshipperS. 

Who is the other one ?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 10:36:02 am
I realize you feel that way, that's why I capitalized the S in worshipperS. 

Who is the other one ?
I would definitely put his sidekick, Bubber in that category as well. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 08, 2022, 10:49:36 am
I thought that was creepy too until I saw the Trudeau worshippers.
Waldo is the perfect example.

(https://minimalistquotes.com/posterimages/you-go-to-war-with-the-army-you-have-not-the-army-.jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 08, 2022, 11:01:18 am
I would definitely put his sidekick, Bubber in that category as well.

@Bubbermiley  do you worship Trudeau ?  Fess up.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 08, 2022, 11:07:48 am
I would definitely put his sidekick, Bubber in that category as well.
That's because you have to make up things about people as a handicap, given your disadvantage. I voted NDP, although Trudeau did a good job with decriminalizing weed in the face of your authoritarian opposition.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 11:37:45 am
That's because you have to make up things about people as a handicap, given your disadvantage. I voted NDP, although Trudeau did a good job with decriminalizing weed in the face of your authoritarian opposition.
Yes all you Trudeau worshippers always claim you voted for NDP whoever Trudeau doesn’t something unpopular, but always defend him, in any situation.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 12:17:38 pm
Yes all you Trudeau worshippers always claim you voted for NDP whoever Trudeau doesn’t something unpopular, but always defend him, in any situation.

Retardo here still doesn't understand the difference between people making fun of his stupidity and defending Trudeau. Sad to see.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 08, 2022, 12:32:08 pm
Taking Bubber at their word, I would say we only have one person who worships Trudeau... potentially.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 12:35:59 pm
Taking Bubber at their word, I would say we only have one person who worships Trudeau... potentially.

One Trudeau worshipper, one Musk dickrider.

(https://media.tenor.com/Hqyg8s_gh5QAAAAd/perfectly-balanced-thanos.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 08, 2022, 12:40:57 pm
One Trudeau worshipper, one Musk dickrider.

Ok.  Don't do stuff like that.  I could have shot coffee out my nose, a**hole...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 08, 2022, 12:57:47 pm
One Trudeau worshipper, one Musk dickrider.

(https://media.tenor.com/Hqyg8s_gh5QAAAAd/perfectly-balanced-thanos.gif)

https://youtu.be/7Fume8DnZ4M
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 08, 2022, 01:15:14 pm
Yes all you Trudeau worshippers always claim you voted for NDP whoever Trudeau doesn’t something unpopular, but always defend him, in any situation.
We support Trudeau but pretend we don't whoever doesn't something unpopular, but we still do it, even though we pretend we aren't. I like your new strategy of taking positions that are completely inscrutable. Hard to argue against that.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 08, 2022, 02:55:08 pm
Taking Bubber at their word, I would say we only have one person who worships Trudeau... potentially.

proTip: to the simpleminded, strong party affinity automatically translates to, as you say, worshipping the party leader. Thought you were smarter than this oh simpleHardner!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 03:03:01 pm
proTip: to the simpleminded, strong party affinity automatically translates to, as you say, worshipping the party leader. Thought you were smarter than this oh simpleHardner!
Come’on man, everybody knows that you’re a Trudeau throne sniffer.  It’s ok.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 03:12:31 pm
Come’on man, everybody knows that you’re a Trudeau throne sniffer.  It’s ok.

lmao

This thread is dedicated to all things Elon Musk.  He's probably the most influential person in the world today.  He's a proponent of free speech, developer of electric vehicle technology, and a researcher and developer of space exploration.  All things that are significantly important to our society today.

More big news today!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 08, 2022, 03:19:48 pm
Come’on man, everybody knows that you’re a Trudeau throne sniffer.  It’s ok.
Aren't you the one with a bumper sticker saying how you want to F*ck Trudeau on your rusted-out pickup?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 08, 2022, 03:26:31 pm
proTip: to the simpleminded, strong party affinity automatically translates to, as you say, worshipping the party leader. Thought you were smarter than this oh simpleHardner!

Hey now !  I said 'potentially' !

It's up to you to state whether you worship the strong party leader... or strong party's leader... so big and strong... drool...

I kid ! I don't think you actually worship him.  You're an atheist so...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 03:44:30 pm
Hey now !  I said 'potentially' !

It's up to you to state whether you worship the strong party leader... or strong party's leader... so big and strong... drool...

I kid ! I don't think you actually worship him.  You're an atheist so...
He worships him like a dog worships it’s owner.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 08, 2022, 03:49:19 pm
I don't think waldo has ever creamed himself describing Trudeau like you have for Elan and Putin and Trump.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 03:50:24 pm
I don't think waldo has ever creamed himself describing Trudeau like you have for Elan and Putin and Trump.
Projection.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 04:05:01 pm
I don't think waldo has ever creamed himself describing Trudeau like you have for Elan and Putin and Trump.

Say what you will about waldo's fealty to the Liberal Party, he has never to my knowledge started a thread specifically to dickride its leader which is more than I can say for some people.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 05:04:24 pm
Anyway back to the subject of this thread, it's been a week since Musk took over Twitter and we haven't seen any evidence of a massive bot presence, of shadowbans, of efforts to silence conservative voices or any of the other things right wingers have whined about for years about the platform. Any ideas why that is?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 05:10:35 pm
Twitter user growth now at record high.
https://twitter.com/watcherguru/status/1589732372807053312?s=46&t=X_d2U4BERx1UeeGuPKd-xQ

This is really fuckin funny. The tweet goes to some crypto doofus site that in turn cites an article from the Verge that cites, as evidence of this supposed user growth, an internal Twitter pitch advertiser document.

Others tell a different story: Twitter lost more than 1.3 million users in the week after Elon Musk bought it (https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/11/08/mit-report-twitter-elon-musk-users-lost/8300611001/)

Of course user growth (or decline) is irrelevant if you believe Elon when he says advertisers have been fleeing the platform en masse. (https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/4/23440510/elon-musk-twitter-revenue-drop-advertising-exodus) I don't think charging people $8 for a blue checkmark is gonna cover that.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 08, 2022, 05:21:45 pm
proTip: to the simpleminded, strong party affinity automatically translates to, as you say, worshipping the party leader. Thought you were smarter than this oh simpleHardner!

That's like saying **** Christians have "a strong affinity" for Jesus.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 10, 2022, 08:26:51 pm
hey I dunno if anyone has talked about this but the man is completely wrecking Twitter and seems to have no idea what he's doing.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 10, 2022, 09:13:22 pm
That's like saying **** Christians have "a strong affinity" for Jesus.
Don't most Christians think Jesus' teachings are woke commie sh!t?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 15, 2022, 07:59:38 am
I admit I failed this quiz, but that might be because I stopped watching the simpsons in the 1990s.
Who said it? Elon or Mr. Burns?

https://newrepublic.com/article/168572/rich-guys-say-the-darndest-things
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 15, 2022, 01:51:58 pm
Elon is a thin-skinned little weirdo Part 5,000.

Musk Steps Up Purge of Twitter Engineers Who Criticize Him
 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-14/musk-publicly-punishes-twitter-engineers-who-call-him-out-online?sref=dZ65CIng)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 15, 2022, 02:30:41 pm
How come free speech absolutists never really mean it?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 15, 2022, 02:34:31 pm
How come free speech absolutists never really mean it?

They do mean it, but just for themselves.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 15, 2022, 03:05:33 pm
I'm sure people are angling for separation packages at this point.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 16, 2022, 02:06:49 pm
I'm sure people are angling for separation packages at this point.

oh yeah. (https://twitter.com/donie/status/1592859900941852674?s=20&t=Trh24t5NS_e0LOLPJxEDTA)

There's plenty of coding/design/UX jobs out there, why would anyone want to work for this dipshit?

Christ, he's even offering them three month's severance to walk!

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 16, 2022, 04:46:25 pm
It's going great! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/16/musk-twitter-email-ultimatum-termination/)

Quote
The email came just a few hours after Musk tweeted he was tabling Twitter’s Blue Verified, his first major product since taking over last month as Twitter’s owner and chief executive, while the company sorts out issues with the feature following a botched rollout. Inside Twitter, staffers are using the additional time to conduct a postmortem on the launch, trying to understand why impersonations of high-profile individuals and brands spiraled out of control, according to a person with knowledge of the internal discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.
...
Meanwhile, those who subscribed to Blue Verified were often accounts promoting right-wing politics, cryptocurrency speculation or adult content such as pornography, a review of Twitter data compiled by a software developer showed.

Honestly I'm glad he was forced to buy this thing, watching him blunder through this is priceless.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 17, 2022, 06:56:10 pm
Sounds like Twitter is going to break like a Tesla door handle very soon.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 17, 2022, 10:45:44 pm
His fortunes were largely based on people investing in his image too. This could easily ruin Tesla as well.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 18, 2022, 06:52:46 am
His fortunes were largely based on people investing in his image too. This could easily ruin Tesla as well.
Nothing has been ruined, other than your fragile ego. 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 18, 2022, 06:56:15 am
My fragile ego? How was that ruined?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 18, 2022, 09:43:05 am
My fragile ego? How was that ruined?

Dickrider is just flailing as bad as his golden god right now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 18, 2022, 09:44:50 am
My fragile ego? How was that ruined?
The same people that complain about Trump are the same people complaining about Musk now.  It’s a tiny vocal screeching minority.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 18, 2022, 10:04:00 am
The same people that complain about Trump are the same people complaining about Musk now.  It’s a tiny vocal screeching minority.

This dumb MFer either isn't on Twitter or only sees content from his fellow dickriders.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 18, 2022, 10:48:18 am
😂
So true!

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 18, 2022, 01:02:54 pm
😂

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN-vkjkXMAIAX0G.jpg)
(Attachment Link)


Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Boges on November 18, 2022, 01:11:53 pm
The same people that complain about Trump are the same people complaining about Musk now.  It’s a tiny vocal screeching minority.

Seems Twitter Staff are also complaining about Musk.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 18, 2022, 01:45:30 pm
Seems Twitter Staff are also complaining about Musk.

Top executives are resigning en masse. 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/17/elon-musk-twitter-closes-offices-loyalty-oath-resignations
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 18, 2022, 01:55:07 pm
Seems Twitter Staff are also complaining about Musk.
Good, the sooner they can get the old staff out the better.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 18, 2022, 01:56:46 pm
Good, the sooner they can get the old staff out the better.

Yeah maybe they can replace them with the people who made Gab, Truth Social or Parler such massive successes.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 18, 2022, 06:28:38 pm
The same people that complain about Trump are the same people complaining about Musk now.  It’s a tiny vocal screeching minority.
That's your binary worldview messing with your head again. Many Trumpers are oil and gas nuts who hate Elmo for creating Tesla and threatening to promote solar energy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on November 19, 2022, 12:41:56 pm
I hope Elon buys Tik-Tok next!

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on November 19, 2022, 01:46:30 pm
...because if there was just one social network platform that should have been run into the ground, it's Tik Tok, not Twitter.

Truly astounding display of incompetence by Musk.

When I heard he intended to lay off 75% of Twitter employees, I naturally assumed he meant mostly the content moderators. The otherwise-unemployable incels who sit in their parents' basements clicking the "no violation" button with one hand while jerking off to Japanese anime with the other hand.  When I heard he was laying off the programmers and network engineers who make the platform function, that's startling.

But the other huge blunder he made was turning the "blue check" system into a joke.

Twitter's main asset isn't software, it's their user base and market position. It's being the defacto town square where anybody of any significance puts down their soap box to tell you what's on their mind.  A politician, your favorite celebrity, the government, your local police force, whatever it is, they're on Twitter. And people are on Twitter because the people they're interested in hearing from are on Twitter too.   But that only works if people trust that what they're reading is from the people they say they are.  And that was the value of the blue check system. But now that anybody with $8 can get a blue check beside their name, anybody can be anybody.    We've seen all kinds of comedy from impersonators over the past week, and we also saw somebody claiming to be the Twitter account of a major drug company announcing that insulin would be made free.  For Twitter, that's disastrous. Twitter's most important asset is the continuing goodwill of the people who draw the traffic to their platform, and impersonation will drive those people away quickly.

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 19, 2022, 09:28:47 pm
Breaking news.  Musk reinstates Donald Trump! 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on November 19, 2022, 10:23:13 pm
...because if there was just one social network platform that should have been run into the ground, it's Tik Tok, not Twitter.

Truly astounding display of incompetence by Musk.

When I heard he intended to lay off 75% of Twitter employees, I naturally assumed he meant mostly the content moderators. The otherwise-unemployable incels who sit in their parents' basements clicking the "no violation" button with one hand while jerking off to Japanese anime with the other hand.  When I heard he was laying off the programmers and network engineers who make the platform function, that's startling.

But the other huge blunder he made was turning the "blue check" system into a joke.

Twitter's main asset isn't software, it's their user base and market position. It's being the defacto town square where anybody of any significance puts down their soap box to tell you what's on their mind.  A politician, your favorite celebrity, the government, your local police force, whatever it is, they're on Twitter. And people are on Twitter because the people they're interested in hearing from are on Twitter too.   But that only works if people trust that what they're reading is from the people they say they are.  And that was the value of the blue check system. But now that anybody with $8 can get a blue check beside their name, anybody can be anybody.    We've seen all kinds of comedy from impersonators over the past week, and we also saw somebody claiming to be the Twitter account of a major drug company announcing that insulin would be made free.  For Twitter, that's disastrous. Twitter's most important asset is the continuing goodwill of the people who draw the traffic to their platform, and impersonation will drive those people away quickly.

 -k

Twitter interest expense went from 50 million/year to 1.2 billion. Makes sense when the cash equivalent assets in the company are offset by huge liabilities to the bank instead of shareholders who had invested personal money. From an accounting perspective, he basically exchanged salaries and wages on the income statement with interest expense. Selling the blue checkmarks is supposed to be the another revenue stream but I agree that it makes the forum less practical.

I'm not sure where all this will land tbh, he could end up driving things to the ground or maybe Twitter 2.0 will succeed. If he does succeed, however, it's still a travesty that thousands of middle class salaries (and shareholder dividends) basically ended up in the pockets of the richest person on earth and the banks that financed this little pet project.

I'd also be a little bit surprised. People make fun of the free lunches and yoga rooms, but that's tech culture. I've worked in tech and I have several friends and family who work in tech. Forcing people to work in the office and put in 12 hour days might work in auto manufacturing but every industry has its culture and he'll have a difficult time recruiting and retaining talent with such expectations.

I know that the fact that twitter is still running is not indicative of anything just yet. The real tests await when IT related problems arise and there are no engineers to fix them.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 20, 2022, 11:55:19 am
The current crop of technology workers have an experience to downturn, and with the level of layoffs we're seeing it may also be harder to lure people into an unstable company.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 20, 2022, 01:13:36 pm
Breaking news.  Musk reinstates Donald Trump!

based on a Twitter poll that Musk put up; one that was so obviously being significantly manipulated by bots!

with Trump saying, "thanks, but no thanks"! Trump says he will stick with his new platform Truth Social, the app developed by his Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG) startup --- claiming it has, "better user engagement than Twitter and was doing phenomenally well". Trump currently has ~4.5 million followers on Truth Social.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 20, 2022, 01:19:58 pm
based on a Twitter poll that Musk put up; one that was so obviously being significantly manipulated by bots!

with Trump saying, "thanks, but no thanks"! Trump says he will stick with his new platform Truth Social, the app developed by his Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG) startup --- claiming it has, "better user engagement than Twitter and was doing phenomenally well". Trump currently has ~4.5 million followers on Truth Social.
Eventually Trump will return to Twitter.  He has no self control or discipline to keep himself away.  Especially when he sees how many followers he has there now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 20, 2022, 01:47:27 pm
You'd think that if one recognized a person has no self-control or discipline, one would also recognize they are unfit to be president.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 20, 2022, 03:41:45 pm
You'd think that if one recognized a person has no self-control or discipline, one would also recognize they are unfit to be president.
Nope, not when his policies are far superior than Hillary or Biden.  There are checks and balances on every president, no matter how impulsive they are.  3 equal branches of government.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 20, 2022, 03:52:27 pm
The only people going to be left at Twitter soon will be Musk dickriders and people there on HB1 visas who literally can't quit.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 20, 2022, 06:32:03 pm
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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 21, 2022, 12:51:21 pm
clearly... 2 stable geniuses!

(https://i.imgur.com/xGhRSP5.gif) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh-TPDmUoAAulPH?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 21, 2022, 12:57:08 pm
clearly... 2 stable geniuses!

(https://i.imgur.com/xGhRSP5.gif) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh-TPDmUoAAulPH?format=jpg)
You lefties have become such prudes now.  If only children were involved somehow, then you’d be supportive, under the guise of “education”.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 21, 2022, 01:04:32 pm
You lefties have become such prudes now.  If only children were involved somehow, then you’d be supportive, under the guise of “education”.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/269/1236529559134.jpg)

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 21, 2022, 01:14:32 pm
You lefties have become such prudes now.  If only children were involved somehow, then you’d be supportive, under the guise of “education”.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU1e2p3WAAAkLyb.jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 22, 2022, 03:58:33 pm
Elon Musk's 2022 Wealth Loss Exceeds $100 Billion for First Time
 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-21/elon-musk-s-2022-wealth-loss-exceeds-100-billion-for-first-time)

Me: (https://media.tenor.com/0engAwwUVF4AAAAC/more-kylo-ren.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 22, 2022, 09:49:57 pm
Hundreds of Stay Woke t-shirts found at Twitter HQ.  😂

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595250835096621057?s=46&t=X_d2U4BERx1UeeGuPKd-xQ
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 23, 2022, 05:16:24 am
Very concerning... Roll eyes...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on November 23, 2022, 05:34:44 am
So after all the layoffs, Musk says Twitter now plans to start hiring again...

From: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-tells-remaining-twitter-223800036.html
Elon Musk is done with layoffs at Twitter, at least for now, and has no intention of moving the company's headquarters from San Francisco....Now, Twitter may even start hiring again. Musk said during the meeting he is looking to bring in more engineers...Musk on Friday made an urgent call for "anyone" left at Twitter who could write software to meet with him. Engineers who remain with the company are continuing to reach out to coworkers who were laid off or resigned asking them if they're interested in returning...

The question is, why would any software engineer with any significant talent WANT to work at Twitter now? Musk has shown that he can make rash, unsound decisions, he has told employees that they will be expected to put in "extra effort", and he has talked about ending people's ability to remote-work. You could join twitter one day only to find that Musk has decided to engage in another round of layoffs the next week.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 23, 2022, 06:46:14 am
Yeah, I don't see why anyone would go back there. There would be no professional interest because the environment would be too unstable.. getting paid a ton wouldn't guarantee that you would be there in a year... And the company is a butt of jokes.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 23, 2022, 08:23:18 am
Very concerning... Roll eyes...
Not concerning, just funny.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 23, 2022, 08:29:04 am
Yeah, I don't see why anyone would go back there. There would be no professional interest because the environment would be too unstable.. getting paid a ton wouldn't guarantee that you would be there in a year... And the company is a butt of jokes.
I think there'll be a lot of interest to work there, just not from you ilk.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 23, 2022, 08:35:54 am
Yes, people like you, for example. 😆
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 23, 2022, 08:45:31 am
Yes, people like you, for example. 😆
Sure, now that it's not a woke cesspool.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 23, 2022, 08:55:16 am
Musk runs his businesses like Trump ran the White House.  Needed total control and obedience, fired if you're not a yes man or you speak out, culture of fear and chaos etc.

Make Twitter Great Again.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 23, 2022, 08:58:59 am
Musk runs his businesses like Trump ran the White House.  Needed total control and obedience, fired if you're not a yes man or you speak out, culture of fear and chaos etc.

Make Twitter Great Again.
Complete nonsense.  See SpaceX and Tesla for example.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 23, 2022, 09:42:21 am
Musk runs his businesses like Trump ran the White House.  Needed total control and obedience, fired if you're not a yes man or you speak out, culture of fear and chaos etc.

Make Twitter Great Again.

Also like Trump, Musk spends all his time on Twitter and is on drugs (seriously, he's on speed for weight loss).

Meanwhile Tesla's lost 55% of its value in a single year lmao.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 23, 2022, 09:55:41 am
The sparks are flying between AOC and Elon! 😂
https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1595305491156111361?s=46&t=X_d2U4BERx1UeeGuPKd-xQ
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 23, 2022, 10:13:33 am
And once again, AOC wins.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 24, 2022, 03:29:21 pm
Elon asking Twitter users to send him kiddie p*rn for, uh, research purposes.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiVe9omX0AEX67Z?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 24, 2022, 04:30:13 pm
Musk is also pledging to restore all banned accounts, which is great for me so I can get all my good bits from my old account back, but I'm not sure how advertisers are going to feel about seeing their ads next to a bunch of freshly unabanned Nazis accounts.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 24, 2022, 06:45:24 pm
I think called someone a name and was banned so I've been off Twitter since then because so cares. . That was like 2 years ago
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 24, 2022, 07:26:43 pm
I think called someone a name and was banned so I've been off Twitter since then because so cares. . That was like 2 years ago
Musk is going to offer an amnesty to suspended accounts.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 24, 2022, 07:41:46 pm
How useful will Twitter be when it becomes just another 4chan?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 24, 2022, 08:27:04 pm
How useful will Twitter be when it becomes just another 4chan?

I think that’s the goal.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on November 24, 2022, 09:47:38 pm
Musk is also pledging to restore all banned accounts, which is great for me so I can get all my good bits from my old account back, but I'm not sure how advertisers are going to feel about seeing their ads next to a bunch of freshly unabanned Nazis accounts.
We already have a pretty good idea how advertisers will feel...

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-lost-half-top-advertisers-elon-musk-takeover-report-2022-11
In the 25 days since Elon Musk took over Twitter, half of its top 100 advertisers have stopped advertising on the platform...Musk had tried to reassure top advertisers that Twitter was safe...advertisers grew concerned after Twitter's head of trust and safety, Yoel Roth, quit his job. In the role, he had tried to ease concerns about misinformation and hate speech on the platform.

Musk of course was sending mixed messages. He made a claim that Twitter would continue to be "safe", and then claimed he was some sort of "free speech absolutist". Unfortunately for him you can't be both.

The best comment came from Author Steven King:

"Pretty soon the only advertiser left on Twitter will be My Pillow," referring to the company led by Mike Lindell, an outspoken Donald Trump supporter and conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on November 24, 2022, 10:37:54 pm
One other big problem Musk and Twitter might have...

A few years ago, Twitter's systems were breached. The FTC sued over user's privacy concerns, and as a result Twitter entered a "dissent Decree" which requires it to report its activities, security protection, etc. However, given recent events (huge staff turnover, creation of new 'features' like verification services, etc.) they may have trouble complying with the reporting requirements of the dissent decree.

This could mean hundreds of millions (if not billions) in fines from the FTC.

From: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musks-twitter-risks-big-fines-from-ftc-us-regulators/
Twitter was forced in 2011 into a consent decree that gives the US Federal Trade Commission (FTC)...oversight of its security practices.... layoffs of employees and contractors, in addition to resignations of top privacy and compliance executives, have prompted some security experts to warn the platform is at increased risk of worst-case security breaches.... The chaotic early weeks of Musk’s ownership of Twitter have already suggested the company risks missing some of its FTC requirements. The Verge reported that the recent relaunch of Twitter’s subscription service skipped traditional privacy and security reviews...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 25, 2022, 05:50:57 am
I'm still holding out hope that this could end up ok.

"Ending up 'ok' " means:
-Anti-hate moderation in place
-Bots banished
-Open algorithm
-Elmi still likely losing money
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 25, 2022, 07:42:24 am
Well Trump's back.

Un-ban Hitler too cuz free speech.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 25, 2022, 07:43:17 am
They should add "no democracy overthrowing" to the terms of service.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on November 25, 2022, 08:50:36 am
Well Trump's back.

Un-ban Hitler too cuz free speech.
Is he? I heard that Musk re-activated his account, but Trump said he was going to stick to using his own "truth social" platform.

(I think he is contractually obligated to post on Truth Social before he posts on other media sites, although Trump is certainly not one to pay attention to 'contracts')
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 25, 2022, 08:53:26 am
They should add "no democracy overthrowing" to the terms of service.
Which Tweet are you referring to?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 25, 2022, 09:00:42 am
Well Trump's back.

Un-ban Hitler too cuz free speech.
Trump is Hitler?  😂🤣

But yes, on Twitter, speech that doesn’t break the law will probably be allowed.  However, you can choose to see what shows up on your feed.  You can always filter out any tweets that include certain words or phrases.  It’s a something all adults should be able to do.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 25, 2022, 09:44:40 am
But yes, on Twitter, speech that doesn’t break the law will probably be allowed. 

Hands up, is anyone other than shitbag here dumb enough to believe this?

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However, you can choose to see what shows up on your feed.  You can always filter out any tweets that include certain words or phrases.  It’s a something all adults should be able to do.

None of which will protect individuals or groups from harassment or prevent the spread of false information and propaganda. But one cannot expect bad faith actors to understand the issues when their whole worldview depends on maintaining their own ignorance.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on November 25, 2022, 09:57:26 am
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But yes, on Twitter, speech that doesn’t break the law will probably be allowed.
Hands up, is anyone other than shitbag here dumb enough to believe this?
We already know that that's not true, because Musk is refusing to re-instate the account of Alex Jones. (The conspiracy theorist who recently lost lawsuits over claims he made that the Sandy Hook shooting was a "false flag"(

From: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-alex-jones-twitter/
...there's one right-wing lighting rod the billionaire won't allow back on the platform, Musk told his followers on Sunday: Alex Jones. The conspiracy theorist and founder of Infowars was banned from Twitter back in 2018..."My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat," Musk wrote. "I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame."

Which is of course quite hypocritical, since many of the re-instated accounts belong to people who are anti-vaxxers/covidiots (who's false claims contribute to excess deaths, of adults AND children).

So his idea of "absolute free speech" extends only as far as his own preferences.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 25, 2022, 09:59:21 am
Hands up, is anyone other than shitbag here dumb enough to believe this?

We already know that that's not true, because Musk is refusing to re-instate the account of Alex Jones. (The conspiracy theorist who recently lost lawsuits over claims he made that the Sandy Hook shooting was a "false flag"(

From: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-alex-jones-twitter/
...there's one right-wing lighting rod the billionaire won't allow back on the platform, Musk told his followers on Sunday: Alex Jones. The conspiracy theorist and founder of Infowars was banned from Twitter back in 2018..."My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat," Musk wrote. "I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame."

Which is of course quite hypocritical, since many of the re-instated accounts belong to people who are anti-vaxxers/covidiots (who's false claims contribute to excess deaths, of adults AND children).

So his idea of "absolute free speech" extends only as far as his own preferences.
Isn’t losing a lawsuit mean breaking the law? 😂
You guys are hilarious!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 25, 2022, 10:05:16 am
Isn’t losing a lawsuit mean breaking the law? 😂
You guys are hilarious!

But yes, on Twitter, speech that doesn’t break the law will probably be allowed.

Jones wasn't sued for his tweets. Your "free speech" argument is that Twitter use can be restricted or denied for things someone says off the platform. Absolutely moronic.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 25, 2022, 10:12:08 am
Isn’t losing a lawsuit mean breaking the law? 😂
 

No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 25, 2022, 10:18:05 am
No it doesn't.
How so?  Civil law wasn't broken?  How is there a judgment against him then?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 25, 2022, 10:50:16 am
No it doesn't.

Technically, yes, tort violations entail breaking the law, but one might as well argue that getting a speeding ticket is grounds for having your twitter account banned.

Also, depending on where you live, hate speech or blasphemy could be against the law so I'm curious how big the asterisk on "total freedom of speech (subject to terms and conditions)" actually is here.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 25, 2022, 11:18:38 am
Alex Jones used Twitter to help spread his Sandy Hook lies.  So his suspension from Twitter is directly relatable to a court finding him guilty of slander, etc.  Next topic.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 25, 2022, 01:15:28 pm
How so?  Civil law wasn't broken?  How is there a judgment against him then?

The law has civil courts for redress between people.  If I slander you and you show harm in court then that's between us. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 25, 2022, 01:16:48 pm
From: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-alex-jones-twitter/
...there's one right-wing lighting rod the billionaire won't allow back on the platform, Musk told his followers on Sunday: Alex Jones. The conspiracy theorist and founder of Infowars was banned from Twitter back in 2018..."My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat," Musk wrote. "I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame."

Unreal.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 25, 2022, 01:21:56 pm
The law has civil courts for redress between people.  If I slander you and you show harm in court then that's between us.
So there’s a judgment against him because he didn’t break slander laws?  What?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 25, 2022, 02:01:37 pm
So there’s a judgment against him because he didn’t break slander laws?  What?

It's a personal suit.  I don't think he was ever charged with a crime.  The awards are for damages to the plaintiff.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 25, 2022, 02:12:57 pm
It's a personal suit.  I don't think he was ever charged with a crime.  The awards are for damages to the plaintiff.
He was sued for defamation, which is a civil law that he was found guilty of breaking.  Stop digging your hole.  I get that you don't like Elon Musk, but you can't just set aside facts that don't fit with your preferred narrative. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 25, 2022, 02:43:25 pm
He was sued for defamation, which is a civil law that he was found guilty of breaking.  Stop digging your hole.  I get that you don't like Elon Musk, but you can't just set aside facts that don't fit with your preferred narrative.

Weird.  I didn't say I didn't like him.

How is me saying these things are crime hurtful to him ?

You have to forgive me, I don't do the "enemy of my enemy" thing and Musk himself is a self-declared socialist so I don't understand why you of all people like him.  I guess because he invited Trump back to twitter which Trump declined ?

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AFAIK from law courses it's between them.  There's no 'crime' that I'm aware of.  My law training is one intro level university course so I may well be wrong. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on November 25, 2022, 02:54:45 pm
Technically, yes, tort violations entail breaking the law, but one might as well argue that getting a speeding ticket is grounds for having your twitter account banned.
Of course even if you claim "civil cases are still breaking the law", that does not make Musk any less of a hypocrite.

After all, consider the case of Stubby McBonespurs.

He was subject to multiple lawsuits (most notably over the Trump foundation and Trump University). Both cases showed Trump had harmed society (in Trump University, multiple people were conned into spending thousands of dollars for worthless courses.) In both cases, Trump was subject to financial penalties and/or restrictions on his activity. And Trump used Twitter during the commission of his "crimes".

Yet Trump has been allowed back on to twitter. Yet Jones (who "lost a civil case") has not. A double standard by Musk, who claimed to value free speech as a driving factor in his decisions.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 25, 2022, 03:54:35 pm
Of course even if you claim "civil cases are still breaking the law", that does not make Musk any less of a hypocrite.

After all, consider the case of Stubby McBonespurs.

He was subject to multiple lawsuits (most notably over the Trump foundation and Trump University). Both cases showed Trump had harmed society (in Trump University, multiple people were conned into spending thousands of dollars for worthless courses.) In both cases, Trump was subject to financial penalties and/or restrictions on his activity. And Trump used Twitter during the commission of his "crimes".

Yet Trump has been allowed back on to twitter. Yet Jones (who "lost a civil case") has not. A double standard by Musk, who claimed to value free speech as a driving factor in his decisions.
It's not that I claim civil cases are breaking the law, they are.  For instance, if you're found guilty of defamation, you are breaking civil law.  I'm not aware of Trump being convicted of anything that he used Twitter in relation to, like Alex Jones.  Perhaps it could happen in the future, but so far, there's nothing.  So you're so-called hypocritical comparison isn't hypocritical and isn't an apt comparison. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 25, 2022, 04:15:31 pm
Musks' Twitter is starting to suspend left-wing accounts right around the time Elon starts interacting with fascist propagandist Andy Ngo and other far-right figures (https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/general-discussion/elon-musk/?message=98603), but i'm sure it's mere coincidence.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 25, 2022, 05:39:26 pm
We need more people with ideological political agendas owning major communication platforms and doing dumb stuff.  Musk is like the rightwing version of the San Fran IT wokesters.  Maybe we should try to just stop politicizing everything so much.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 25, 2022, 06:58:59 pm
We need more people with ideological political agendas owning major communication platforms and doing dumb stuff.  Musk is like the rightwing version of the San Fran IT wokesters.  Maybe we should try to just stop politicizing everything so much.

He's a self described socialist.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 26, 2022, 01:52:35 pm
He's a self described socialist.

No he’s not.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 26, 2022, 02:41:05 pm
No he’s not.

He describes himself as a socialist.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 26, 2022, 03:00:26 pm
Well his primary motivation is definitely not profit, but the betterment of mankind through technology.  Black dog will disagree because he hates Musk.

But with twitter there seems to also be some political ideology involved there, but he probably still views it through the lens of bettering mankind (free speech in the public square).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 26, 2022, 03:02:59 pm
He describes himself as a socialist.

He may have done so years ago, but he's not now and never has been.

I think trying to ascribe any coherent political position to him is a mug's game. His worldview is defined by people who like him and those who don't. Since his fawning fanboys are all from the far right, that's where his affections lie.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 26, 2022, 03:03:29 pm
Well his primary motivation is definitely not profit, but the betterment of mankind through technology.  Black dog will disagree because he hates Musk.

But with twitter there seems to also be some political ideology involved there, but he probably still views it through the lens of bettering mankind (free speech in the public square).

There's zero evidence of this.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 26, 2022, 05:51:09 pm
Well his primary motivation is definitely not profit, but the betterment of mankind through technology.  Black dog will disagree because he hates Musk.

But with twitter there seems to also be some political ideology involved there, but he probably still views it through the lens of bettering mankind (free speech in the public square).
Wokies don’t like him because he won’t ban people on Twitter that don’t comply with gender pronouns.   The lone act negates all the work he’s done for battery technology, electric vehicles and space exploration.  They’re deranged.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 27, 2022, 12:18:00 am
There's zero evidence of this.

Except what he says.

You don't invest in tunnel companies and rockets to Mars if you're trying to get rich.   He was already filthy rich after he sold Paypal.

I'm sorry this doesn't align with your pure hatred of the man.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 27, 2022, 06:29:37 am
Except what he says.

You don't invest in tunnel companies and rockets to Mars if you're trying to get rich.   He was already filthy rich after he sold Paypal.

I'm sorry this doesn't align with your pure hatred of the man.

Is it fair to say that you like him because he's anti woke?

Which I don't get either btw.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 27, 2022, 07:29:28 am


I'm sorry this doesn't align with your pure hatred of the man.
Pure hatred? Goodness! What a strong argument you make.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 27, 2022, 09:42:28 am
Except what he says.

You don't invest in tunnel companies and rockets to Mars if you're trying to get rich.   He was already filthy rich after he sold Paypal.

I'm sorry this doesn't align with your pure hatred of the man.

Yeah he says a lot of things; that he’s a socialist, that he founded Tesla, for example. Not everyone is dumb enough to believe him.

And fyi single car tunnels and rockets to Mars aren’t going to save humanity, they’re heavily subsidized vanity projects.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 27, 2022, 11:44:57 am
Is it fair to say that you like him because he's anti woke?

Which I don't get either btw.
In my opinion, people like him because of Tesla and SpaceX.  For me personally, I started to pay attention and become a fan of Musk based on SpaceX and what he’s done for space exploration.  The technological advancements have been tremendous.  Just like NASA technology from the 60s, 70s, and 80s, these advancements will eventually have an impact on people’s everyday lives.

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/10-nasa-technologies-that-we-see-in-everyday-life
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 27, 2022, 03:53:12 pm
Yeah he says a lot of things; that he’s a socialist, that he founded Tesla, for example. Not everyone is dumb enough to believe him.

And fyi single car tunnels and rockets to Mars aren’t going to save humanity, they’re heavily subsidized vanity projects.

A tunnel company is a vanity project?

Yes we know you hate him and your opinions are informed by your hatred.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on November 27, 2022, 04:02:22 pm
Musk is a very complex character. In many ways brilliant, in others a child.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on November 27, 2022, 04:08:13 pm
A tunnel company is a vanity project?

Yes we know you hate him and your opinions are informed by your hatred.
Yes we know you hate black dog and your opinions are informed by your hatred.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on November 27, 2022, 04:12:09 pm
A tunnel company is a vanity project?

Yes we know you hate him and your opinions are informed by your hatred.

Some of what he does is self promoting hype. Hyperloop is one of them and has gone nowhere. Cyber truck and the semi seem headed the same way.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 27, 2022, 04:26:42 pm
Some of what he does is self promoting hype. Hyperloop is one of them and has gone nowhere. Cyber truck and the semi seem headed the same way.

Some of his decisions are based on vanity.  He wants Tesla to be like Apple because IT people think Apple is cool and worship Steve Jobs and he wants to be like that.

He says he started the rocket company because he sees it as important to the human race to colonize Mars so that if disaster strikes earth, like an asteroid or nuclear exchange or climate disaster, the human race can still survive.  I believe him.

His interest in EV tech is because he wants to help solve climate change. I believe him.  Same with his solar panel company.

His interest in trying to build cheap tunnels is because he wants to solve traffic problems for the human race. I believe him.

You don't take on a rocket company, tunnel company, or EV company if you're looking for the easiest way to make the most money possible.  These companies have been riddled with business problems because the ideas aren't easy or popular when they were started.

Does he have a huge ego, does he seek adulation, is he a jerk? Yes.  Is he purely motivated by self-interest? ? No.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 27, 2022, 04:31:24 pm
Yes we know you hate black dog and your opinions are informed by you

Yes we know you worship black dog.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 28, 2022, 09:37:10 am
A tunnel company is a vanity project?

Yes, why is that so hard to grasp?

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Yes we know you hate him and your opinions are informed by your hatred.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 28, 2022, 09:43:28 am
Some of his decisions are based on vanity.  He wants Tesla to be like Apple because IT people think Apple is cool and worship Steve Jobs and he wants to be like that.

He says he started the rocket company because he sees it as important to the human race to colonize Mars so that if disaster strikes earth, like an asteroid or nuclear exchange or climate disaster, the human race can still survive.  I believe him.

His interest in EV tech is because he wants to help solve climate change. I believe him.  Same with his solar panel company.

His interest in trying to build cheap tunnels is because he wants to solve traffic problems for the human race. I believe him.

You don't take on a rocket company, tunnel company, or EV company if you're looking for the easiest way to make the most money possible.  These companies have been riddled with business problems because the ideas aren't easy or popular when they were started.

Given how terrible most of these ideas are, are you suggesting that he's interested in saving humanity but going about it in the dumbest possible ways?

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Does he have a huge ego, does he seek adulation, is he a jerk? Yes.  Is he purely motivated by self-interest? ? No.


Look at this goalpost shifting here when the question was whether his primary motivation is profit vs the betterment of mankind through technology. 

Again, his primary motivation is whatever gets him attention and adulation from the dickriders, you don't have to go any deeper than that and pretend he's Andrew Carnegie building libraries.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on November 28, 2022, 10:32:57 am
After all the hype, Elon's Cyber Truck seems to have disappeared. Meanwhile, Ford, GM and Rivian have electric trucks on the market. The Rivian is getting rave reviews from testers.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 28, 2022, 10:43:38 am
After all the hype, Elon's Cyber Truck seems to have disappeared. Meanwhile, Ford, GM and Rivian have electric trucks on the market. The Rivian is getting rave reviews from testers.

Also the Rivians look good and practical and not like a doodle some nerd made during social studies class.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 28, 2022, 10:59:38 am
SpaceX continues to amaze.

King of rockets, NASA's SLS could soon be usurped by SpaceX's Starship

That future, though, could see Elon Musk's in-development Starship with Super Heavy booster for SpaceX not only take the title of most powerful rocket to make it to orbit but also be considered as an alternative for crew and cargo launch capability.

https://phys.org/news/2022-11-king-rockets-nasa-sls-usurped.html
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on November 28, 2022, 11:01:01 am
RAM will have an electric truck for 2024.

https://www.caranddriver.com/ram/1500-ev
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 28, 2022, 11:14:31 am
Speaking of trucks...

Fully Loaded Tesla Semi Just Completed 500-Mile Drive
https://insideevs.com/news/623752/fully-loaded-tesla-semi-completed-500mile-drive/
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 28, 2022, 11:23:36 am
Starting to look at any successes these companies have are in spite of the Muskrat.

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Elon Musk’s tumultuous reign at Twitter has led to a damaging rift with top brands and marketers, with the social media company’s $5bn-a-year advertising business hit by tensions over content moderation and resources.

Multiple top advertising agencies and media buyers told the Financial Times that nearly all of the big brands they represent have paused spending on the social media platform, citing alarm at Musk’s ad hoc approach to policing content and decision to axe many of its ad sales team.

Musk, meanwhile, has sought to personally call chief executives of some brands that have curbed advertising in order to berate them, according to one senior industry figure, leading others to instead reduce their spend to the bare minimum required so as to avoid further confrontation with the billionaire entrepreneur.

After several waves of job cuts and departures, Twitter’s ads business team has shrunk so much that many agencies no longer have any point of contact at the company and have received little to no communication in recent weeks, according to four industry insiders.

Some brands have been unable to get feedback on how previous campaigns have performed because of the staffing shortages, one media buyer said. Others are complaining Twitter’s ads systems have also become buggy, making it difficult or even impossible to run campaigns.

“It is quite unique. The turmoil, the damage, nothing of this magnitude has happened before. Never,” said a senior executive at a big four advertising agency.
“He seems to put off even those advertisers who wanted him to succeed,” another top advertising agency executive said.

link (https://archive.ph/ziimf#selection-1923.0-1931.118)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 28, 2022, 02:02:30 pm
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The unsolicited proposal from Elon Musk’s tunnel-building venture arrived in January 2020. To the local transportation authority, it felt like finding Willy Wonka’s golden ticket.

Officials had started planning for a street-level rail connection between booming Ontario International Airport and a commuter train station 4 miles away, with an estimated cost north of $1 billion. For just $45 million, Mr. Musk’s Boring Co. offered to instead build an underground tunnel through which travelers could zip back and forth in autonomous electric vehicles.

Dazzled by Boring’s boasts that it had revolutionized tunneling, and the cachet of working with the billionaire head of EV maker Tesla Inc., TSLA 0.43%increase; green up pointing triangle the San Bernardino County Transportation Authority dumped plans for a traditional light rail and embraced the futuristic tunnel.

When it came time to formalize the partnership and get to work, Boring itself went underground—just as it has done in Maryland, Chicago and Los Angeles. Boring didn’t submit a bid for Ontario by the January 2022 deadline.

The six-year-old company has repeatedly teased cities with a pledge to “solve soul-destroying traffic,” only to pull out when confronted with the realities of building public infrastructure, according to former executives and local, state and federal government officials who have worked with Mr. Musk’s Boring. The company has struggled with common bureaucratic hurdles like securing permits and conducting environmental reviews, the people said.

link (https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel-traffic-11669658396?st=kf1nmaj7aqt1q21&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 28, 2022, 03:38:15 pm
Speaking of trucks...

Fully Loaded Tesla Semi Just Completed 500-Mile Drive
https://insideevs.com/news/623752/fully-loaded-tesla-semi-completed-500mile-drive/

What’s so special about 500 miles on level ground? 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 28, 2022, 09:48:45 pm
Yes, why is that so hard to grasp?

Why would you spend billions to build tunnels for vanity?  Donald Trump built large skyscrapers and put his name on them, that makes more sense.  Maybe the rockets have phallic symbolism.  Maybe he wants to store his rockets in the tunnels because the tunnels look like giant vaginas?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 28, 2022, 09:55:36 pm
Given how terrible most of these ideas are, are you suggesting that he's interested in saving humanity but going about it in the dumbest possible ways?

Look at this goalpost shifting here when the question was whether his primary motivation is profit vs the betterment of mankind through technology. 

Again, his primary motivation is whatever gets him attention and adulation from the dickriders, you don't have to go any deeper than that and pretend he's Andrew Carnegie building libraries.

Do you think he could have thought of better ways to get attention than tunnels and solar panels?

I'm not saying he doesn't seek attention, but i don't think all of his decisions have been motivated by it entirely.  If you were a tech engineer entrepreneur and wanted to create tech to better humanity you'd probably look at tech like solar panels and EV's.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on November 28, 2022, 11:47:14 pm
His interest in EV tech is because he wants to help solve climate change.
Maybe. Or maybe he just saw Electric Vehicles as a potential major revenue source.

Keep in mind that Musk has said he will support Deathsantis in the next election, who is a republican (and as such is someone who will likely push for more oil and gas usage, less renewables.) Not exactly a "climate friendly" alternative.
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You don't take on a rocket company, tunnel company, or EV company if you're looking for the easiest way to make the most money possible.  These companies have been riddled with business problems because the ideas aren't easy or popular when they were started.
SpaceX was a risky venture. But, space travel was an untapped market that didn't seem to have players who were stepping in to fill the niche.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on November 29, 2022, 10:29:10 am
Why would you spend billions to build tunnels for vanity? Donald Trump built large skyscrapers and put his name on them, that makes more sense.  Maybe the rockets have phallic symbolism.  Maybe he wants to store his rockets in the tunnels because the tunnels look like giant vaginas?

Because people will talk about it and governments will throw money at it. And he hates public transit.

Do you think he could have thought of better ways to get attention than tunnels and solar panels?

I'm not saying he doesn't seek attention, but i don't think all of his decisions have been motivated by it entirely.  If you were a tech engineer entrepreneur and wanted to create tech to better humanity you'd probably look at tech like solar panels and EV's.

I don't think he's sitting down and calculating this stuff, he jut spews whatever idea pops into his head that he thinks sounds cool and has the money and influence to try and make them real.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 29, 2022, 10:49:06 am
Do you think he could have thought of better ways to get attention than tunnels and solar panels?

I'm not saying he doesn't seek attention, but i don't think all of his decisions have been motivated by it entirely.  If you were a tech engineer entrepreneur and wanted to create tech to better humanity you'd probably look at tech like solar panels and EV's.
It's funny to see people that have never built anything in their lives, constantly criticizing Elon Musk.  Losers living in their moms basement, with Cheeto dust all over their fingers, pounding away on their warrior keyboards, always know better than somebody that's actually built and run successful businesses that have produced amazing technology.  Too f**king funny!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 30, 2022, 11:49:40 am
BREAKING: Elon Musk confirms that Twitter has interfered with elections
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-elon-musk-confirms-that-twitter-has-interfered-with-elections?fbclid=IwAR23uk5leM1GnWg6ezAKIuV_r9FHU3HtDHg45VSalGDY9QbyG1DYyjQTu_w
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 30, 2022, 12:40:02 pm
That article interferes with elections too.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 30, 2022, 12:41:33 pm
So let's get this straight:

FOX openly tells people they won't be supporting Trump, as though a TV network is supposed to be able to do that.
FOX also ensures that Hunter's laptop is in the news every day.
Somebody says that covering salacious bullshit is not allowed on THEIR platform.
Ipso facto that platform is 'interfering'.

For-Profit news needs to be banned at this point.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 30, 2022, 12:46:41 pm
So let's get this straight:

FOX openly tells people they won't be supporting Trump, as though a TV network is supposed to be able to do that.
FOX also ensures that Hunter's laptop is in the news every day.
Somebody says that covering salacious bullshit is not allowed on THEIR platform.
Ipso facto that platform is 'interfering'.

For-Profit news needs to be banned at this point.
What salacious "bullshit" are you referring to? 
Yes, let's ban "for-profit" news, because that wouldn't violate the first amendement!  Let's have all news sources as objective as NPR and CBC!  LOL.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 30, 2022, 12:49:38 pm
That article interferes with elections too.
Twitter did this secretly, through algorithms, and other practices, like shadow banning and suppressing content.  Without being transparent about it.  Withholding it from the public, users and even share holders.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 30, 2022, 01:00:07 pm
Elon Musk's Twitter slow to act on misleading U.S. {midterm} election content (https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musks-twitter-girds-surge-us-midterm-election-misinformation-2022-11-08/)

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Nov 8 (Reuters) - Election experts reported the spread of new falsehoods across Twitter (TWTR.MX) and other social media services on Tuesday as Americans voted in midterm elections, four days after Twitter Inc fired half its staff and new owner Elon Musk tweeted a recommendation to vote for Republican candidates.

The nonpartisan watchdog group Common Cause, which monitors social media for voter suppression efforts, said that Twitter took no action on high-profile posts that the organization flagged on Tuesday as problematic.

Common Cause said Twitter posts from Republican candidates Marjorie Taylor Greene and Kari Lake should have included warning labels under the company's civic integrity policy, which governs misleading tweets about elections. Posts by Greene and Lake drew tens of thousands of likes and retweets on Twitter.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 30, 2022, 01:03:58 pm
Elon Musk's Twitter slow to act on misleading U.S. {midterm} election content (https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musks-twitter-girds-surge-us-midterm-election-misinformation-2022-11-08/)
And???  Besides, your link is from 3 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on November 30, 2022, 01:17:41 pm
Elon Musk's Twitter slow to act on misleading U.S. {midterm} election content (https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musks-twitter-girds-surge-us-midterm-election-misinformation-2022-11-08/)

And???  Besides, your link is from 3 weeks ago.

c'mon man! Musk had the twitKeys... as for timing, your comprehension difficulty fails to recognize just when the U.S. mid-term elections were - you doofus!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 30, 2022, 01:21:18 pm
What salacious "bullshit" are you referring to? 
Yes, let's ban "for-profit" news, because that wouldn't violate the first amendement!  Let's have all news sources as objective as NPR and CBC!  LOL.

Why the LOL
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 30, 2022, 01:23:05 pm
Twitter did this secretly, through algorithms, and other practices, like shadow banning and suppressing content.  Without being transparent about it.  Withholding it from the public, users and even share holders.
Someone one post you mock a call for non-profit news, and on another post you decry the actions of for-profit news.

...In every man there are two shadys.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 01, 2022, 10:52:31 am
You know how Musk was a "free speech" advocate? (Well except for his double standard where he has kept Alex Jones off the platform, but racists, trolls and terrorists are allowed back on.)

Well, apparently not everyone is welcome.

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/left-wing-activists-banned-from-twitter-after-false-report-2022-11
Several left-wing activists on Twitter have been suspended from the platform after far-right users launched a false-report campaign.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on December 01, 2022, 12:01:13 pm
Well, apparently not everyone is welcome.

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/left-wing-activists-banned-from-twitter-after-false-report-2022-11
Several left-wing activists on Twitter have been suspended from the platform after far-right users launched a false-report campaign.

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Prominent left-wing accounts have been banned from Twitter since Musk's takeover, the Intercept reported first. This includes Chad Loder, an anti-fascist researcher who identified a Proud Boy member involved in the US Capitol Riots on January 6 2021.
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Loder said Musk's free speech campaign is really just about "bringing back a lot of legitimate violent neo-Nazi accounts. He has "thrown his lot in with far-right extremists and they have his ear," and he is "in an echo chamber of his own design." 

"We're seeing far-right voices crowded into the space while far-left voices are being pushed out of the space."

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 02, 2022, 08:29:08 am
Elon suspends Kanye for inciting violence. Maybe it's not as easy as he thought for a large corporation to host these far-right trolls. 🤣
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 02, 2022, 11:37:29 am
Elon suspends Kanye for inciting violence. Maybe it's not as easy as he thought for a large corporation to host these far-right trolls. 🤣
I suspect its just a "smoke screen/diversion". Ban one high-profile user who stepped over the line to distract from the fact that you have let dozens/hundreds of similar people have free reign on Twitter. "See, look! I'm not a bad guy. Please love me again!"
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 02, 2022, 11:58:21 am
c'mon man! Musk had the twitKeys... as for timing, your comprehension difficulty fails to recognize just when the U.S. mid-term elections were - you doofus!
Sounds like that’s proper procedure.  If somebody incites violence they are banned.  What’s the problem?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on December 02, 2022, 12:02:00 pm
Elon suspends Kanye for inciting violence. Maybe it's not as easy as he thought for a large corporation to host these far-right trolls. 🤣

It's wild how "free speech" advocates who mock doofy lefty platitudes like "words are violence" can approve of banning someone for merely posting an image with no call to action involved.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 02, 2022, 12:25:07 pm
Libtards:  The far-right has free reign!

Also Libtards:  Musk is banning the far-right for just posting an image!

Make up your mind libtards.  Make up your mind.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 02, 2022, 12:27:35 pm
Are you for or against banning people from twitter for their speech? I can't tell.

Or is it like the question about Danielle Smith's proposed legislation...something you can't answer because you haven't got your talking points yet?  😆
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 02, 2022, 12:31:26 pm
Are you for or against banning people from twitter for their speech? I can't tell.
If they break the law or Twitter’s terms of service.  What’s the problem?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 02, 2022, 12:39:05 pm
I have no problem. It was something you were wailing about just a few weeks ago though.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 02, 2022, 12:43:08 pm
I have no problem. It was something you were wailing about just a few weeks ago though.
The issue is what the terms of service are.  It’s probably a little too complicated for you, so never mind.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 02, 2022, 12:45:03 pm
The issue is what the terms of service are.  It’s probably a little too complicated for you, so never mind.
That's a good strategy for pretending you aren't a total hypocrite and a d!ck-riding Musk fanboy, but I don't think you're fooling anyone else
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 02, 2022, 01:30:22 pm
That's a good strategy for pretending you aren't a total hypocrite and a d!ck-riding Musk fanboy, but I don't think you're fooling anyone else
I like how logic and reason completely trigger you! 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 02, 2022, 02:17:08 pm
I'm not triggered and I saw no logic or reason. I just saw a Musk fanboy admit that his wailing about free speech was only part of his role as a far-right Musk fanboy and had nothing to do with any actual convictions.
It's fun watching you become a grovelling hypocrite though...once again. 🤣
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on December 02, 2022, 03:27:05 pm
Kanye is a Nazi now.  A surprise twist for 2022.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 02, 2022, 03:36:25 pm
Kanye is mentally ill and hopelessly addicted to getting attention, much like his orange lord.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on December 02, 2022, 09:32:45 pm
Kanye is mentally ill and hopelessly addicted to getting attention, much like his orange lord.

And Hitler.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 02, 2022, 11:22:08 pm
OMG the big reveal is that the Biden campaign (pre-presidency) asked Twitter to remove Hunter Biden dickpicks that conservative operatives were posting as revenge p0rn.

OMG 😆
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 03, 2022, 07:55:53 am
And now Elon has claimed it was interference from "the government," forgetting that Biden wasn't president in 2020. It seems appropriate that shady would choose a fellow retard to worship as an idol.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on December 03, 2022, 08:07:08 am
Kanye is mentally ill and hopelessly addicted to getting attention, much like his orange lord.

And our current media landscape is not built to prevent such people from taking up our bandwidth
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on December 03, 2022, 01:20:52 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/AWyttlI.gif)

NYT: Hate Speech’s Rise on Twitter Is Unprecedented (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)

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These changes are alarming, researchers said, adding that they had never seen such a sharp increase in hate speech, problematic content and formerly banned accounts in such a short period on a mainstream social media platform.
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“Elon Musk sent up the Bat Signal to every kind of racist, misogynist and homophobe that Twitter was open for business,” said Imran Ahmed, the chief executive of the Center for Countering Digital Hate. “They have reacted accordingly.”

factoid: Advertising accounted for more than 90 percent of Twitter’s $5.1 billion in revenue last year. Hey now waldo - are these 'hate speech rising' changes to twitter intended to 'win back/keep existing' advertisers? Well are they?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on December 03, 2022, 01:56:23 pm
Anyone else worried about Kanye's pending Nazi takeover of the world?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 05, 2022, 10:54:30 am
After all of Musk's changes (mass firings of employees, re-instatement of the accounts of neo-nazis, etc.) resulted in a drop in advertising revenue, Twitter is trying to fix things...

From: https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-offers-advertisers-incentives-after-many-marketers-left-platform-wsj-2022-12-01/
Twitter Inc is offering advertisers incentives to increase their spending on the platform...U.S. advertisers who book $500,000 in incremental spending will qualify to have their spending matched with a "100% value add... Many companies from General Mills Inc to luxury automaker Audi of America stopped or paused advertising on Twitter since the acquisition... Musk said he wanted Twitter to be "the most respected advertising platform" and not a "free-for-all hellscape", in a bid to gain the trust of ad buyers ahead of the close of his deal.

Sounds like a good deal.. instead of getting your ad associated with one neo-nazi posting you can get it associated with 2 neo-nazi postings. Who wouldn't jump at the deal?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on December 05, 2022, 02:16:46 pm
Elon Musk says "more smoking guns" are on the way after Hunter Biden laptop exposé

hey now waldo! Apparently... "smoking guns" is a euphemism for "dick pics"!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 05, 2022, 02:38:54 pm
Elon Musk says "more smoking guns" are on the way after Hunter Biden laptop exposé

hey now waldo! Apparently... "smoking guns" is a euphemism for "dick pics"!
No, it refers to the collusion between the Democrats, and the former controllers of Twitter that intentionally censured the Hunter Biden story.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 05, 2022, 02:41:34 pm
No, it refers to the collusion between the Democrats, and the former controllers of Twitter that intentionally censured the Hunter Biden story.
Twitter is allowed to choose not to engage in spreading revenge p0rn. But how do you feel about an alleged news outlet like Fox squashing the Stormy Daniels story just before an election?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 05, 2022, 02:48:12 pm
Twitter is allowed to choose not to engage in spreading revenge ****. But how do you feel about an alleged news outlet like Fox squashing the Stormy Daniels story just before an election?
A story from the New York Post, reporting on an FBI investigation shouldn’t be censured by the media.  You’re a fascist piece of s**t.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 05, 2022, 02:56:55 pm
And you don't know how to spell "censored".  🤣
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 05, 2022, 03:19:57 pm
A story from the New York Post, reporting on an FBI investigation shouldn’t be censured by the media.  You’re a fascist piece of s**t.
So you are completely incapable of commenting on Foxnews' decision to squash the Stormy Daniels story? They are allegedly an actual news organization and, unlike Hunter Biden, it involved an actual candidate.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on December 05, 2022, 03:31:42 pm
I hate when the media censors the media.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 05, 2022, 03:51:51 pm
By "censor", do you mean "choose to report the stories that are relevant and verifiable"?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 05, 2022, 10:01:22 pm
Twitter is allowed to choose not to engage in spreading revenge p0rn. But how do you feel about an alleged news outlet like Fox squashing the Stormy Daniels story just before an election?
And don't forget, the publisher of the National Enquirer (not exactly a reputable media organization, but still one that is widely read) paid thousands of dollars to "catch and Kill" (i.e. pay for the rights, but never publish them) stories that were potentially damaging to Trump. (This is actually a violation of campaign finance laws.)

So, Twitter decides not to publish hacked information on a non-politician (largely consisting of non-relevant information like revenge pr0n), in an action that does not break any laws -> Musk and the republicans think its a huge scandal
National Enquirer breaks campaign finance laws by killing stories about an actual republican candidate -> no big deal

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/12/national-enquirer-trump-payments-david-pecker-catch-and-kill
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 05, 2022, 10:09:43 pm
Elon Musk says "more smoking guns" are on the way after Hunter Biden laptop exposé
hey now waldo! Apparently... "smoking guns" is a euphemism for "dick pics"!
I am sure Musk will provide "more smoking guns"... in two weeks!

This reminds me so much of Stubby McBonespurs, who would always make these grand promises for some point in the future (sometimes "two weeks", but just drop the subject.
Trump's Taxes to be released... In 2 weeks
Trump to release his proposed health care plan... in 2 weeks

I suspect either Musk will not release anything, or if he does, it will be as lame as his first release.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on December 08, 2022, 08:24:40 pm
IT crunch culture alive at twitter it seems:  https://globalnews.ca/news/9334804/twitter-hq-investigation-elon-musk-illegal-bedrooms-san-francisco/

Gotta give Musk some credit though, he also sleeps at work.  But to expect his employees to behave like he does, which is work OCD, is a bit much.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 09, 2022, 01:59:58 pm
IT crunch culture alive at twitter it seems:  https://globalnews.ca/news/9334804/twitter-hq-investigation-elon-musk-illegal-bedrooms-san-francisco/

Gotta give Musk some credit though, he also sleeps at work.  But to expect his employees to behave like he does, which is work OCD, is a bit much.
LOL @ illegal beds!  It’s funny that you can own a building and need government permission to have a bed in it.  No wonder why California is going downhill so fast.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 09, 2022, 05:06:58 pm
LOL @ illegal beds!  It’s funny that you can own a building and need government permission to have a bed in it.  No wonder why California is going downhill so fast.
California? There are zoning restrictions everywhere and there are logical reasons why those restrictions exist
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on December 09, 2022, 11:00:08 pm
It is kinda weird that you can't just stick a bed somewhere though.  People aren't exactly making it their residence.  Unless Elon never lets them leave LOL
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 10, 2022, 10:07:21 am
It is kinda weird that you can't just stick a bed somewhere though.  People aren't exactly making it their residence.  Unless Elon never lets them leave LOL
Exactly.  It shows you how ridiculous government overreach has gotten.  But I love how idiots are blaming it on zoning issues.  Like zoning has anything to do putting a bed inside a building you own.  It’s one of the reasons why people and businesses are fleeing California by the hundreds of thousands every year now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 10, 2022, 12:31:27 pm
It is kinda weird that you can't just stick a bed somewhere though.  People aren't exactly making it their residence.  Unless Elon never lets them leave LOL
I guess its the end result of a bunch of rules that actually do make sense, along with limitations on enforcement.

You don't want to allow people to live in office buildings or other work places for various health code and safety reasons. (e.g. you don't want to have people living in an asbestos factory because even though you can reduce the risks while working, being there 24/7 would inflate the risks. Fire safety might also be an issue.)

So why not allow them to stick in cots in a workplace for just a quick nap when needed? Well, how do you determine if someone is living there full time or just using it for the occasional late night when they are dealing with an emergency at work. I am pretty sure people would complain if they had inspectors checking bed usage in a workplace. So, better to just stop the practice altogether.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on December 10, 2022, 12:39:30 pm
Good guy not to work for.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 10, 2022, 01:22:47 pm
Exactly.  It shows you how ridiculous government overreach has gotten.  But I love how idiots are blaming it on zoning issues.  Like zoning has anything to do putting a bed inside a building you own.  It’s one of the reasons why people and businesses are fleeing California by the hundreds of thousands every year now.
Buildings are zoned to be residential. Making it residential goes against zoning.. Nothing to do with California.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on December 10, 2022, 01:28:30 pm
Exactly.  It shows you how ridiculous government overreach has gotten.  But I love how idiots are blaming it on zoning issues.  Like zoning has anything to do putting a bed inside a building you own.  It’s one of the reasons why people and businesses are fleeing California by the hundreds of thousands every year now.

Zoning regulations are municipal, not state or federal.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 10, 2022, 04:03:02 pm
Buildings are zoned to be residential. Making it residential goes against zoning.. Nothing to do with California.
Having a bed in a building doesn’t necessarily make it “residential”.  It’s funny how far you go to defend ridiculous government overreach.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 10, 2022, 04:03:59 pm
Zoning regulations are municipal, not state or federal.
Ok, it’s why people are fleeing places like San Francisco. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 11, 2022, 05:01:18 pm
Why is Elong behaving like a foreign asset and trying to destabilize the West?
https://dashdobrofsky.substack.com/p/elon-musk-is-behaving-like-a-foreign?r=1gv4s7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 12, 2022, 10:47:01 am
Musk made a surprise appearance on the Dave Chapelle show, and things... did not go well.

From:
Musk made a surprise appearance at a Dave Chappelle show... It’s safe to say Musk didn’t get a warm reception, as he was met with a deafening chorus of boos and jeers from the crowd....each time Musk attempted to speak, he was drowned out by yet more boos.
...
videos of the incident are seemingly being removed from Twitter


(It is possible that the videos were removed for copyright reasons... but given the fact that Musk seems to think hunter biden dick-pics are things that the public really needs to see, it seems a bit hypocritical for him not to fight as hard to ensure his appearance on the Chappelle show were also widely seen.)

Of course, maybe we have this wrong. Maybe the people weren't chanting "boo" they were saying "b-urns".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y2R01k4SXI
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on December 12, 2022, 01:02:55 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/jHo8xqN.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on December 12, 2022, 01:07:31 pm
Wonder what Elon thinks of an endorsement from the Jewish Space Laser Lady.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on December 12, 2022, 03:47:30 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/jHo8xqN.gif)

Why does he want to prosecute fauci?  Elon is also pretty anti lockdown and mandates
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 12, 2022, 04:15:51 pm
Why does he want to prosecute fauci?  Elon is also pretty anti lockdown and mandates
I think it’s mostly tongue in cheek.  But the Musk Haters lose their sh*t over everything he says.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 12, 2022, 04:41:37 pm
Just like Marjorie Three Names was being "tongue in cheek" when she said she would have won the coup attempt by being better armed?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 12, 2022, 05:02:04 pm
Just like Marjorie Three Names was being "tongue in cheek" when she said she would have won the coup attempt by being better armed?
It’s funny to watch people that have been constantly saying prosecute Trump are all of a sudden struck with a serious case of the vapours because somebody says prosecute Fauci.  **** off.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 12, 2022, 05:10:51 pm
💯 💯💯💯💯💯💯
This is why the far left hate and fear him so much,

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 14, 2022, 10:03:56 am
Looks like Musk is taking a page from the Trump playbook...

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-stopped-paying-rent-not-paying-severance-elon-musk-report-2022-12
...Twitter has stopped paying rent for any of its offices...and Musk has instructed employees to no longer pay Twitter's vendors.... Musk's team is now weighing the possibility of not paying the severance at all...Twitter has also recently listed office supplies for auction in another cost-cutting attempt.

Not paying basic expenses seems like what happens when a company has entered into a death spiral. Could this be any more of a dumpster fire?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 14, 2022, 10:09:44 am
Looks like Musk is taking a page from the Trump playbook...

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-stopped-paying-rent-not-paying-severance-elon-musk-report-2022-12
...Twitter has stopped paying rent for any of its offices...and Musk has instructed employees to no longer pay Twitter's vendors.... Musk's team is now weighing the possibility of not paying the severance at all...Twitter has also recently listed office supplies for auction in another cost-cutting attempt.

Not paying basic expenses seems like what happens when a company has entered into a death spiral. Could this be any more of a dumpster fire?
Complete nonsense.  Business insider is a garbage tabloid that has a history of running false stories on Elon Musk.  Even long before he bought Twitter.  They cover their butt by saying “reportedly”. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on December 14, 2022, 01:20:22 pm
Complete nonsense.  Business insider is a garbage tabloid that has a history of running false stories on Elon Musk.  Even long before he bought Twitter.  They cover their butt by saying “reportedly”.

It has been reported by multiple sources.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 14, 2022, 01:27:23 pm
Quote
Looks like Musk is taking a page from the Trump playbook...

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-stopped-paying-rent-not-paying-severance-elon-musk-report-2022-12
...Twitter has stopped paying rent for any of its offices...and Musk has instructed employees to no longer pay Twitter's vendors.... Musk's team is now weighing the possibility of not paying the severance at all...Twitter has also recently listed office supplies for auction in another cost-cutting attempt.

Not paying basic expenses seems like what happens when a company has entered into a death spiral. Could this be any more of a dumpster fire?
Complete nonsense.  Business insider is a garbage tabloid that has a history of running false stories on Elon Musk.
Lets take a look at all your stupidity, shall we?

Business insider: Is it "garbage"? Well, according to Media Bias Fact Check (see: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/business-insider/)
Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: HIGH
...
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
...
When it comes to sourcing information, they utilize credible media sources
...
Overall, we rate Business Insider...High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a reasonable fact check record


So much for your claim that it is a "garbage tabloid".

Secondly, the same information has been posted on multiple web sites. Had you had 2 or more brain cells to rub together you could have found multiple sources saying the same thing.

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/13/twitter-reportedly-hasnt-paid-rent-on-its-office-spaces-for-weeks.html
Twitter has not paid rent for its global offices or San Francisco headquarters in weeks...

How about: https://fortune.com/2022/12/14/twitter-not-paying-office-rent-elon-musk-cut-costs/
Twitter has not paid rent for some of its offices, including its San Francisco headquarters, for several weeks...  the social media company is refusing to pay an almost $200,000 bill for private flights... Former employees complained in November that the social media company had yet to reimburse them for expenses incurred when they were still working for Twitter.... Twitter also recently put some office supplies and furniture...on the auction block.

Or how about the New York Post... a newspaper that is owned by Murdoch (the same guy that owns the right-leaning Fox News)...

From: https://nypost.com/2022/12/13/twitter-skipping-rent-on-san-francisco-hq-selling-office-equipment-as-musk-cuts-costs-reports/
Twitter has been skipping rent payments on its San Francisco headquarters and putting up office supplies for auction... The company is also refusing to pony up a nearly $200,000 bill for private charter flights

But hey, what is the word of multiple established media sources that have high ratings for credibility compared to the word of some MAGAchud who thinks you can train nurses to care for patients instantly by plugging them into the matrix?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 15, 2022, 07:01:30 pm
Elmo has been banning people (see Aaron Rupar and the flightlog guy) for hurting his feelings.
I guess free speech doesn't apply to hurting Elmo's feelings.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 06:51:15 am
And now a bunch of journalists who expressed support for Rupar, including Keith Olbermann, have been suspended. So much for free speech absolutism.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 08:40:44 am
And now a bunch of journalists who expressed support for Rupar, including Keith Olbermann, have been suspended. So much for free speech absolutism.
It was never about free speech absolutism.  Regardless, they broke doxxing violations. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on December 16, 2022, 08:42:15 am
How could anyone think a known control freak with his other companies would be any different with Twitter?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 08:48:08 am
How could anyone think a known control freak with his other companies would be any different with Twitter?
Somebody broke into his house a couple of days ago looking for his son.  These accounts on Twitter were providing specific real time locations of him and his family.  This kind of activity is against Twitters terms of service.  It has nothing to do with control.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on December 16, 2022, 08:58:50 am
Somebody broke into his house a couple of days ago looking for his son.  These accounts on Twitter were providing specific real time locations of him and his family.  This kind of activity is against Twitters terms of service.  It has nothing to do with control.

Musk is known for his abusive task oriented management style. As one of his former managers said,
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Everyone in Tesla is in an abusive relationship with Elon,

Why would he run Twitter any different?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 09:01:11 am
Somebody broke into his house a couple of days ago looking for his son.  These accounts on Twitter were providing specific real time locations of him and his family.  This kind of activity is against Twitters terms of service.  It has nothing to do with control.
No, they weren't. Total desperate BS again.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 09:04:33 am
Musk is known for his abusive task oriented management style. As one of his former managers said,
Why would he run Twitter any different?
What about the managers that say the opposite?  Regardless, somebody broke into his home looking for his son.  Accounts that are breaking doxxing rules deserve to be suspended.  It has nothing to do with management style.  This is just an excuse to rip on Musk.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 09:04:57 am
No, they weren't. Total desperate BS again.
Yes they were.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on December 16, 2022, 09:11:35 am
What about the managers that say the opposite?  Regardless, somebody broke into his home looking for his son.  Accounts that are breaking doxxing rules deserve to be suspended.  It has nothing to do with management style.  This is just an excuse to rip on Musk.

He said earlier on that he wouldn't suspend an account that kept track of his aircraft. Musk's commitment to free speech depends on what he had for breakfast that morning.
He knows what it takes to get engineering projects done but socially he is a big child with a temperament to match.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 09:14:32 am
Yes they were.
None of the journalists suspended posted any doxxing information. Elong is lying to you. And for some reason you worship people who like to you.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 09:22:37 am
He said earlier on that he wouldn't suspend an account that kept track of his aircraft. Musk's commitment to free speech depends on what he had for breakfast that morning.
He knows what it takes to get engineering projects done but socially he is a big child with a temperament to match.
Yes he’s a big child because he doesn’t want his family threatened.  That’s what you’re going with huh?  These accounts were warned.  They chose not to listen. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 09:23:53 am
None of the journalists suspended posted any doxxing information. Elong is lying to you. And for some reason you worship people who like to you.
Nope, they did.  They were warned and did it anyways.  Oh well, it’s a private company right?  Remember that? 😂
They can start their own Twitter.  Remember that? 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 09:28:28 am
Nope, they did.  They were warned and did it anyways.  Oh well, it’s a private company right?  Remember that? 😂
They can start their own Twitter.  Remember that? 😂
Since I can't prove a negative, cite that they posted doxxing info. You must have a source if you're so sure. There must be some evidence out there. Something...anything, other than your good word?  😆
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 10:23:48 am
But Elmo can do what he wants. It's a private company. But it's fun to watch the babies who cried fascism over twitter refusing to help spread illegally acquired dickpicks of a private citizen now defending the silencing of journalists based on a fake premise.
I'm sure if Soros bought twitter and banned foxnews contributors, they would feel exactly the same way. 🤣
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 12:12:17 pm
But Elmo can do what he wants. It's a private company. But it's fun to watch the babies who cried fascism over twitter refusing to help spread illegally acquired dickpicks of a private citizen now defending the silencing of journalists based on a fake premise.
I'm sure if Soros bought twitter and banned foxnews contributors, they would feel exactly the same way. 🤣
You seems to be obsessed with dick pics.  When the real issue was influence peddling and corruption.  Keep feigning ignorance.  It suits you.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 12:41:42 pm
Seems pretty responsible.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 01:28:12 pm
It would be reasonable if it were true. Weird there are no screenshots, eh? All you have is his word and he has as much credibility as you
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 01:29:28 pm
You seems to be obsessed with dick pics.  When the real issue was influence peddling and corruption.  Keep feigning ignorance.  It suits you.
What is the source of your information? Rudy Giuliani? LoL
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 01:38:48 pm
What is the source of your information? Rudy Giuliani? LoL
The New York Post, etc.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 01:39:13 pm
It would be reasonable if it were true. Weird there are no screenshots, eh? All you have is his word and he has as much credibility as you
That’s quite the conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 01:41:44 pm
Yes, I already know you don't know what the term "conspiracy theory" means. You not being able to back up your claims with verifiable facts is not a conspiracy. It's just a sign you're an easily manipulated retard
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on December 16, 2022, 03:30:18 pm
Seems pretty responsible.

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Didn't he just ban a whole bunch of journalists who have been criticizing him?  I wonder what they said...

The truth is always more complex than the headlines and twitter 140 characters.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 03:36:48 pm
Didn't he just ban a whole bunch of journalists who have been criticizing him?  I wonder what they said...

The truth is always more complex than the headlines and twitter 140 characters.
He banned @journalists” that broke Twitter terms of service by sharing the specific location of him and his family.  Shortly after a stalker broke into their home looking for his infant son.  Them being “journalists” has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 04:49:15 pm
But, of course, they didn't actually do that and shady is impotent when asked to show they did.
Nevertheless, how come when Jack Dorsey enforces Twitter's rules it's fascism? Glad to see you agree that private companies should be free to implement their own rules. Must be pretty embarrassing to finally have to admit, again, that I was right all along. LoL
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 16, 2022, 09:49:59 pm
So does anyone have any money to invest? Maybe shady can use all the profits from his crypto purchases....

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-seeking-investors-for-twitter-at-5420-a-share-2022-12
Jared Birchall, the manager for Elon Musk's family office "reached out to potential investors this week." Birchall is apparently offering shares of Twitter to investors for the price of $54.20 a piece...That's the same price that Musk paid...

So, Musk first offers to buy Twitter, then tries to back out of the deal because of supposed problems with the company, ends up buying it anyways, turns it into a dumpster fire by firing critical staff, upping the neo-nazi content, not paying bills, and ultimately driving away scores of advertisers.

And he's trying to get people to buy shares for the same price that he did (a price, I might add, Musk claimed was "too high")
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 18, 2022, 02:40:40 pm
Kind of explains everything.
https://twitter.com/mk_indy/status/1604531430591176711?t=mBND57nProDoWkUG4h0QvQ&s=19
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on December 18, 2022, 04:01:32 pm
Musk has bought fully into all the hype about himself.  His ego is out of control and he's very insecure and can't handle criticism.  He can't handle the money and fame, its gone to his head.  He's also a control freak and runs his companies like a dictator.  He uses his money and power to crush people he dislikes.  I'm sure he's an arse in his personal life.

When I listen to him talk he seems very smart and reasonable, but when I watch what he does he seems like a jerk and a fool.  The man is partially self-destructing before our eyes.  He's already greatly eroded his own brand within a year and lost a lot of money from it.  When you fly too close to the sun you get burned.

When Elvis was asked about controversial political topics he'd typically refuse to comment, except for black civil rights, he didn't want to alienate any of his fans.  But Musk won't STFU about anything.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on December 29, 2022, 02:29:19 pm
2023 will be the year that Elon Musk goes broke and loses his mind. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on December 29, 2022, 06:36:21 pm
I feel sorry for people who invested retirement funds and get to watch him **** it away by sucking up to the far right.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on December 30, 2022, 10:52:04 am
Tesla stock now down 69% YTD.
That's not surprising.

In addition to Musk making a fool of himself over Twitter, I think a lot of analysts were suggesting Tesla stock was overvalued for a long time and needed a correction. (The total value of the company was even larger than some established car companies like Toyota.)

And, overall Tesla has a few problems. They did a good job being one of the earliest proponents of electrical vehicles (and made quite a few sales as a result). But the cars have had quality control issues, and delays in releasing new products are common.  (Look at the case of the cybertruck, where production was supposed to start over a year ago but is now scheduled to start in 2023.)

And more importantly... they don't seem to be expanding their product lines to make them attractive to the mass market. They sell high-priced/high featured luxury vehicles (I think the cheapest model they have is the Model 3 at ~80k), while other manufacturers are swooping in with lower cost electric vehicles like the Nissan Leaf (at ~40k)  or the Chev Bolt (~43K).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 02, 2023, 11:15:47 am
https://castbox.fm/x/2U0h3

Sam Harris on Musk and the latest events.

I 100% disagree with his assessment of wokeness and furthermore I find inconsistencies better his views on Twitter censoring news, on the so called threat of fundamental Islam and also wokeness.

But he's still an essential voice.

This post is to remind people that you can respect someone and still disagree with them.

I had to defend myself umpteen times from people who said my utter disrespect for him was because I disagreed with his message.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on January 02, 2023, 11:21:26 am
https://castbox.fm/x/2U0h3

Sam Harris on Musk and the latest events.

I 100% disagree with his assessment of wokeness and furthermore I find inconsistencies better his views on Twitter censoring news, on the so called threat of fundamental Islam and also wokeness.

But he's still an essential voice.

This post is to remind people that you can respect someone and still disagree with them.

I had to defend myself umpteen times from people who said my utter disrespect for him was because I disagreed with his message.

Elon Musk and Donald Trump have so many things in common.  Both are proven frauds, proven narcissists, were born rich, have literally no morals, and who are only in their respective positions due to deception.  Trump is just a better public speaker.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 02, 2023, 11:39:09 am
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so called threat of fundamental Islam

You don’t think fundamentalism is a threat?  Throwing gay people off buildings, forcing women to wear bags, killing authors they don’t like is what?  Just “cultural differences “?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 02, 2023, 03:20:58 pm
You don’t think fundamentalism is a threat?  Throwing gay people off buildings, forcing women to wear bags, killing authors they don’t like is what?  Just “cultural differences “?

You start making your point by illustrating the awfulness of the crimes. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it's a threat.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on January 02, 2023, 06:01:17 pm
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so called threat of fundamental Islam
You don’t think fundamentalism is a threat?  Throwing gay people off buildings, forcing women to wear bags, killing authors they don’t like is what?  Just “cultural differences “?
Fundamentalism is a problem in various societies... homosexuals/women are treated poorly, human rights are curtailed.

The question is, how much risk do they provide to those of us in the western world.

It is unlikely that fundamentalists will be successful in implementing sharia law anywhere in North America or Western Europe. In the western world, the bigger risk is from evangelical christians, who actually do have significant power (especially in the United States), and have managed to roll back human rights by decades in the United States.

Even the risk of terrorist activity by Islamic militants has been overtaken by terrorism by right-wing militia groups.

Yet that won't stop the right wingers from screeching about "Radical Islam" at every opportunity (while overlooking things that are much bigger threats).

That doesn't mean we need to ignore the problems of human rights in the Muslim world, nor should we assume no Islamic-inspired terrorist attacks will occur anymore, but we should put the problem into proper context.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 02, 2023, 06:30:30 pm
You start making your point by illustrating the awfulness of the crimes. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it's a threat.

You don’t think it’s a threat to women and homosexuals in those societies?

And, if you’ll notice, the threat to people like Rushdie follow them across the world.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 05:43:43 am
You don’t think it’s a threat to women and homosexuals in those societies?

And, if you’ll notice, the threat to people like Rushdie follow them across the world.

Those groups are horribly vilified and mistreated but we're not talking about the Threat of Islam in our society because we're concerned about that.  It's about terrorism when leaders use a phrase like that.

Like "risks", there are threats everywhere.  The public forum should be for addressing the ones we need to do something about, not stoking feelings of moral superiority.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 03, 2023, 10:39:55 am
Those groups are horribly vilified and mistreated but we're not talking about the Threat of Islam in our society because we're concerned about that.  It's about terrorism when leaders use a phrase like that.

Like "risks", there are threats everywhere.  The public forum should be for addressing the ones we need to do something about, not stoking feelings of moral superiority.

Your argument was about what Sam Harris was saying.   Clearly, you have to listened to many of Sam Harris’ arguments about radical Islam.  Now you change the goalposts to what “leaders” are saying. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 12:16:07 pm
Your argument was about what Sam Harris was saying.   Clearly, you have to listened to many of Sam Harris’ arguments about radical Islam.  Now you change the goalposts to what “leaders” are saying.

No - I'm referring to Sam Harris as a 'leader' ie. a public intellectual leading the discussion.  I should have been more clear.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 03, 2023, 12:38:49 pm
No - I'm referring to Sam Harris as a 'leader' ie. a public intellectual leading the discussion.  I should have been more clear.

My point still stands….  Harris’ concern isn’t just with terrorism.   You’re straw-manning his argument.   

What I find is that he mostly discusses the plight of the people in Muslim countries, those attitudes creeping into the West, and the left’s penchant for allowing it to happen through political correctness. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 01:08:14 pm
1. My point still stands….  Harris’ concern isn’t just with terrorism.   You’re straw-manning his argument.   

2. What I find is that he mostly discusses the plight of the people in Muslim countries, those attitudes creeping into the West, and the left’s penchant for allowing it to happen through political correctness.

1. Ok, but then why refer to it as a 'threat' ?  How is it a threat ?  To what level ?

2. He seems to be able to see ambiguity in big concepts, which is a good thing.  'Freedom of Speech' for example is a many-tentacled beast to dissect.  Similarly, 'religious freedom and tolerance' is.    And he's very careful with knowledge - another good thing.  So then why use the term 'threat' ?  Can't he just say that religious intolerance is a problem with religion and needs to dissipate (somehow) or be removed from the global mindset (somehow) ? 

So I find his approach to this problematic, not only because he overstates it with this wording but because he focuses on one religion and because he doesn't see the moral relativism of critiquing an entire way of life (which has good/bad features) from outside of it.   

Fundamental Muslims will point out that our society is cruel to the poor, oppresses women despite promising them freedom, is rife with violence and so on.  Are those views valid ?  Is Western society a 'threat' ?  Or maybe there are problems endemic to these systems that can be addressed without effectively calling for the other side to stop existing ?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 03, 2023, 01:46:02 pm
1. Ok, but then why refer to it as a 'threat' ?  How is it a threat ?  To what level ?

2. He seems to be able to see ambiguity in big concepts, which is a good thing.  'Freedom of Speech' for example is a many-tentacled beast to dissect.  Similarly, 'religious freedom and tolerance' is.    And he's very careful with knowledge - another good thing.  So then why use the term 'threat' ?  Can't he just say that religious intolerance is a problem with religion and needs to dissipate (somehow) or be removed from the global mindset (somehow) ? 

So I find his approach to this problematic, not only because he overstates it with this wording but because he focuses on one religion and because he doesn't see the moral relativism of critiquing an entire way of life (which has good/bad features) from outside of it.   

3 - Fundamental Muslims will point out that our society is cruel to the poor, oppresses women despite promising them freedom, is rife with violence and so on.  Are those views valid ?  Is Western society a 'threat' ?  Or maybe there are problems endemic to these systems that can be addressed without effectively calling for the other side to stop existing ?

1, 2 -  You’re just arguing over semantics.  Harris’ argument is that Islamic fundamentalism  is a threat to our values of free speech, equality, etc.   If you want to call it something else, feel free. 

How much of a threat?  To some, who say the wrong thing about Islam,  it’s a deadly threat. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Salman_Rushdie#
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

3 - Propaganda about the West by religious extremists doesn’t really convince me that killing authors for saying the wrong thing, killing gays or forcing women to dress in cloth bags are good ideas. 

Why wouldn’t we all want religious extremism to not exist?  Is there some redeeming quality of extremist religious views that I’m missing?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on January 03, 2023, 01:58:11 pm
Guyz just let Emom Moosq build the tunnels under our cities.   No traffic zones required.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 02:02:46 pm
1, 2 -  You’re just arguing over semantics.  Harris’ argument is that Islamic fundamentalism  is a threat to our values of free speech, equality, etc.   If you want to call it something else, feel free. 

How much of a threat?  To some, who say the wrong thing about Islam,  it’s a deadly threat. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Salman_Rushdie#
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

3 - Propaganda about the West by religious extremists doesn’t really convince me that killing authors for saying the wrong thing, killing gays or forcing women to dress in cloth bags are good ideas. 

4. Why wouldn’t we all want religious extremism to not exist?  Is there some redeeming quality of extremist religious views that I’m missing?

1. With respects, terrorism and crimes are horrible but do they threaten our way of life ?  Is there something we should be doing about this outside the domain of security ?

3. I don't think anybody said that these are good ideas but you are spreading your own propaganda here if you want to encapsulate an entire culture with the worse aspects - all while calling their habit for doing so 'propaganda'

4. As a formerly religious person, I can say that there are indeed redeeming qualities.  Do you want them to not exist by force ?  If so you're part of the problem. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 03, 2023, 02:24:45 pm
1. With respects, terrorism and crimes are horrible but do they threaten our way of life ?  Is there something we should be doing about this outside the domain of security ?

3. I don't think anybody said that these are good ideas but you are spreading your own propaganda here if you want to encapsulate an entire culture with the worse aspects - all while calling their habit for doing so 'propaganda'

4. As a formerly religious person, I can say that there are indeed redeeming qualities.  Do you want them to not exist by force ?  If so you're part of the problem.

You’re straw-manning the argument again to conflate fundamentalism/extremism with religion in general.  You’re being dishonest about what is being argued. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 03:40:41 pm
You’re straw-manning the argument again to conflate fundamentalism/extremism with religion in general.  You’re being dishonest about what is being argued.

Isn't it straw-manning to say "Islam is a threat to us - Salmon Rushdie got shot ?"

I think you dislike religion to an irrational degree and that's the issue here.  I'm not a fan of loopy metaphysics either but we got this far with it... and it continues to dissolve like sugar in the rain to boot.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 03, 2023, 04:07:45 pm
Isn't it straw-manning to say "Islam is a threat to us - Salmon Rushdie got shot ?"

I think you dislike religion to an irrational degree and that's the issue here.  I'm not a fan of loopy metaphysics either but we got this far with it... and it continues to dissolve like sugar in the rain to boot.

Nice try, but you’re being purposely dishonest.  No one said all Muslims are a threat regardless of what they do or say.   

The issue is the fundamentalist Islam (in this case) being the problem.   No one but you has conflated the Muslims practicing their faith in peace with the ones who call for the extermination of gays, dress women in bags, or call for the death of Rushdie. 

Once you decide to be an honest interlocutor, maybe we can carry on the conversation.  But mischaracterizing the argument is trolling.     

What you’re doing is no different than what Conspiratard Graham is doing in the other thread…. You’re twisting an argument into something that it is not.  He takes the argument that having these 15 minute neighbourhoods  means that you will never be allowed to leave your neighbourhood.   And you're twisting the argument that radicalism is bad to mean that all religions are bad.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 06:23:04 pm
That's what we're discussing, the question of what "the threat of Islam" means.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 03, 2023, 07:26:27 pm
That's what we're discussing, the question of what "the threat of Islam" means.

Nope.  You’re either really dumb, or dishonest.   Radical/fundamentalist/extremist Islam ….  The ones who want to kill people who insult the prophet, kill gays, or have women wear bags…. are not the same as other Muslims.

I’m not sure why you keep conflating the two.   
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 08:01:11 pm
I'm not.  The statement itself does.

It seems that you agree with me about Harris then.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 03, 2023, 08:31:00 pm
I'm not.  The statement itself does.

It seems that you agree with me about Harris then.

As I said earlier, you clearly have most listened or read to what Harris has said and are bringing in preconceived notions about what you think he said. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 09:14:46 pm
Nope.  You’re either really dumb, or dishonest.   Radical/fundamentalist/extremist Islam ….  The ones who want to kill people who insult the prophet, kill gays, or have women wear bags…. are not the same as other Muslims.

I’m not sure why you keep conflating the two.

You are getting confused.  This is not about my views it's about Harris'.
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Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. In Islam, we confront a civilization with an arrested history. It is as though a portal in time has opened, and the Christians of the 14th century are pouring into our world.


https://www.samharris.org/blog/the-reality-of-islam
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 03, 2023, 09:17:51 pm
I don't think that you are as familiar with Harris'opinions as you think.

I'm opposed to this, but I feel his conclusions are incorrect and that's it.  He still has a place in the discussion.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on January 03, 2023, 09:21:38 pm
https://castbox.fm/x/2U0h3

Sam Harris on Musk and the latest events.

I 100% disagree with his assessment of wokeness and furthermore I find inconsistencies better his views on Twitter censoring news, on the so called threat of fundamental Islam and also wokeness.

But he's still an essential voice.

This post is to remind people that you can respect someone and still disagree with them.

I had to defend myself umpteen times from people who said my utter disrespect for him was because I disagreed with his message.

Can you very briefly summarize his positions?  I can't listen to 27m.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on January 03, 2023, 09:29:58 pm
You start making your point by illustrating the awfulness of the crimes. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it's a threat.

Not so much here.  For European countries, especially ones along the mediterianian, like France and whatnot, it seems like a bigger problem in terms of numbers.  The core values are very different and in many ways opposed.  We're secular, our laws come from human rights derived from human reason.  Fundamentalist Islamists get their laws from the Koran, and whatever abusive husband/father stuff they make up along the way.

I think maybe we need to better educate migrants before they are permanently accepted so they are clear on the ground rules.  Maybe when you're fleeing war you don't really care about the Charter of Rights.  But if you're desperate you'll just lie anyways I guess, then get mad later.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on January 03, 2023, 09:39:34 pm
Those groups are horribly vilified and mistreated but we're not talking about the Threat of Islam in our society because we're concerned about that.  It's about terrorism when leaders use a phrase like that.

Like "risks", there are threats everywhere.  The public forum should be for addressing the ones we need to do something about, not stoking feelings of moral superiority.

Fundamentalist Islam won't change because we condemn it.  But we also need to know what we're dealing and put our foot down when unreasonable demands are made.  There is reasonable accommodation and unreasonable accommodation.  Threatening newspapers with violence should not tolerated, nor met with appeasement from violent tyrants.  Wearing hijabs at work is fine, or needing to leave for a short prayer.  If you want to demand your female child should be segregated from the male classmates in public schools?  No thanks.

Sometimes we in the West need to accommodate the beliefs of people from other cultures, which is reasonable.  What some don't seem to fully understand is that sometimes we need to require people from other cultures to accommodate our beliefs, and that there's nothing wrong with that even if it upsets or offends some.  This leads to things like Halloween being cancelled in schools.  Sometimes its ok to stand your ground and stand up for your own cultural traditions and values and asking outsiders to assimilate a bit.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 04, 2023, 12:21:27 am
You are getting confused.  This is not about my views it's about Harris'.
https://www.samharris.org/blog/the-reality-of-islam

You think mainstream Muslims are in favour of women being treated equally to men?  LOL
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on January 04, 2023, 04:26:05 am
You think mainstream Muslims are in favour of women being treated equally to men?  LOL

How is that any different than mainstream Christians in North America.  Banning abortion is just the start, for the GOP.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 04, 2023, 04:50:26 am
You think mainstream Muslims are in favour of women being treated equally to men?  LOL

Where did I say this?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 04, 2023, 04:54:00 am
Can you very briefly summarize his positions?  I can't listen to 27m.

He's quit Twitter because of Musks antics although it's not an easy decision and Musk is not as depicted in the media.

Trumpism and wokeness are essentially counterbalanced twin threats to democracy.

His views on Islam are as per the other link I posted.

You need to listen if you want to hear his full rationale, I can't do it justice.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 04, 2023, 05:13:02 am
Not so much here.  For European countries, especially ones along the mediterianian, like France and whatnot, it seems like a bigger problem in terms of numbers.  The core values are very different and in many ways opposed.  We're secular, our laws come from human rights derived from human reason.  Fundamentalist Islamists get their laws from the Koran, and whatever abusive husband/father stuff they make up along the way.

I think maybe we need to better educate migrants before they are permanently accepted so they are clear on the ground rules.  Maybe when you're fleeing war you don't really care about the Charter of Rights.  But if you're desperate you'll just lie anyways I guess, then get mad later.
Well those numbers have been high for decades, people have been saying that for twenty years and nothing really has changed.

Muslims in America leave the faith at roughly the same rate or less as Christians.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on January 04, 2023, 09:59:48 am
OMG

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fllfz7rakAApQGh?format=jpg&name=small)


The middle should properly read "books Elon Musk hasn't read."
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest7 on January 04, 2023, 10:18:43 am
How is that any different than mainstream Christians in North America.  Banning abortion is just the start, for the GOP.

In Iran women are killed or jailed for not wearing a veil.  Protesters who object are treated the same.

In the US, the issue of abortion is winding its way through the courts and protests are protected by the constitution.  The issue is widely regarded as being one of the reasons for the poor showing Republicans put up in the recent election.  The mullahs don't have to face elections.

That's not to say it won't get worse if the US continues its way down the road to becoming a theocracy, but thankfully, there is opposition to that from at least one party that gets to form the government every now and then.

I think its safe to say that all conservative, right wing religious nutjobs are bad, but some are worse than others.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on January 04, 2023, 12:32:24 pm
He's quit Twitter because of Musks antics although it's not an easy decision and Musk is not as depicted in the media.

Trumpism and wokeness are essentially counterbalanced twin threats to democracy.

His views on Islam are as per the other link I posted.

You need to listen if you want to hear his full rationale, I can't do it justice.

Thanks.

I agree on the trumpism/ woke dichotomy.  Twitter sucked wel0l before Musk and is even worse now.  You can't fix a bunch of people culture Warriors yelling at each other with all the nuance of 200 characters.

Islam is basically how Christianity was 200 years ago:  filled with witch-burning nutjobs in a time when everyone beat/****/ enslaved their wives and ordered their daughters to never show their bare ankles. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 04, 2023, 12:44:46 pm
1. I agree on the trumpism/ woke dichotomy.   

2.Islam is basically how Christianity was 200 years ago:  filled with witch-burning nutjobs in a time when everyone beat/****/ enslaved their wives and ordered their daughters to never show their bare ankles.
1. I disagree completely but it's not an uncommon position.  I think there is a *kind* of symmetry whereby people on all points of the political compass are developing their own spaces - new ones - and expanding their... uh... horizons.  But the place to look is in positions of actual power, to see the immediate effects.

2. Not really.  My Muslim associates at work have "he/him" in their titles which means that they accept pronouns, which means that they tacitly accept transgenderism.  Find me a devout Christian from the last generation even that did that.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 04, 2023, 12:58:58 pm
Quote
Trumpism and wokeness are essentially counterbalanced twin threats to democracy.

Where did Harris make this statement?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 04, 2023, 01:12:59 pm
Where did Harris make this statement?

My summary of his statement in the twenty seven minutes podcast.

I added a caveat already to listen to the original.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on January 25, 2023, 06:59:27 pm
Remember the uproar when Elon Musk let go 3,000 people from Twitter?  Well, Google just let 12,000 go, and not a peep from the mainstream, etc.  Hmmm, I wonder why? 🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on January 25, 2023, 08:00:10 pm
How did you find out?

I knew because I read it in the news.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Moonbox on January 25, 2023, 11:01:20 pm
Remember the uproar when Elon Musk let go 3,000 people from Twitter?  Well, Google just let 12,000 go, and not a peep from the mainstream, etc.  Hmmm, I wonder why? 🤔🤔🤔

Probably because the Google CEO didn't make a show of it and troll all the people he was firing, and probably because 3000 twitter employees was half of their workforce, whereas 12,000 Google employees is less than 10% of theirs. 

I wonder if that maybe might have had something to do with.  On the other hand, everything is a conspiracy so it was probably something something about the MSM and REee cancel-culture.  Yup.  That makes more sense. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on January 27, 2023, 02:35:51 pm
Elon showed his true colours by trying to spread MAGA conspiracy theories about the attack on Paul Pelosi. Cowards are strangely silent now that the video has been made public.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on January 27, 2023, 05:44:45 pm
Elon showed his true colours by trying to spread MAGA conspiracy theories about the attack on Paul Pelosi. Cowards are strangely silent now that the video has been made public.

The fact that so many GOP members would create an environment that encourages violence against their rivals, then mocks and jokes about it when it happens says it all.  Most Republicans are horrible people.  Musk was known to be a horrible person by his inner circle for decades.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: segnosaur on January 27, 2023, 08:05:37 pm
Probably because the Google CEO didn't make a show of it and troll all the people he was firing, and probably because 3000 twitter employees was half of their workforce, whereas 12,000 Google employees is less than 10% of theirs. 
Not only that, but Google didn't fire people then run into issues like getting locked out of their office, trying to hire back people that were fired, etc.

Plus add to that all the other turmoil surrounding Twitter... the failure to pay rent, the blue check non-verification verification, etc.

The lack of controversy surrounding google's layoffs suggested a company that was decently run and making a sound business decision. The problems surrounding Twitter's layoff's suggest a dumpster fire managed by a man with a questionable grasp of how to run a business.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on January 28, 2023, 10:23:53 am
Not only that, but Google didn't fire people then run into issues like getting locked out of their office, trying to hire back people that were fired, etc.

Plus add to that all the other turmoil surrounding Twitter... the failure to pay rent, the blue check non-verification verification, etc.

The lack of controversy surrounding google's layoffs suggested a company that was decently run and making a sound business decision. The problems surrounding Twitter's layoff's suggest a dumpster fire managed by a man with a questionable grasp of how to run a business.
Actually, Google employees found out they were fired when they weren’t able to log into their work accounts the next day.  Regardless, the turmoil etc was completely made up.  Musk did what every tech company is now doing, at a larger scale than Musk.  The pearl clutching is fun to watch though.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on January 28, 2023, 11:15:44 am
I guess if it's a sound business move, the stock market will reward it. If it's not, it will indicate that too.

Checks notes...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on January 28, 2023, 11:21:20 am
I guess if it's a sound business move, the stock market will reward it. If it's not, it will indicate that too.

Checks notes...
What notes are you checking?  The ones written in sh*t on your bathroom wall?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on February 03, 2023, 05:45:39 pm
Cyber truck spotted!

Comments are worth the drive...
https://twitter.com/Rory_Carroll/status/1621322550507720705?t=cm89rsGpTe56GXl7QXNGjA&s=19
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 08, 2023, 05:17:58 pm
Thanks to Elon Musk buying Twitter, we now have access to what was going on behind the scenes.  Silencing Stanford educated virologists, under pressure from the government, Fauci, and big pharma.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on February 08, 2023, 05:58:57 pm
Sick f*cks think it's responsible to follow public health advice in an unprecedented public health emergency? How authoritarian!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 08, 2023, 07:01:12 pm
Sick f*cks think it's responsible to follow public health advice in an unprecedented public health emergency? How authoritarian!
The key word is advice.  Advice is suggestion, not gospel, and not forced.  Why do you bestow special privilege to government officials vs a doctor, scientist or health professionals that works at a hospital, university or clinic when it comes to understanding what might work best?  So your answer is to silence anyone with a differing idea of what policy should be?  Even experienced virologists?  F**k you nazi.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on February 08, 2023, 07:17:44 pm
Public health officials are hired to do a job. I am in favour of letting them do it. Undermining them at every turn is counterproductive and detrimental to our society. Calling them fascists because they have encouraged you to get a vaccine is stupid. Saying they forced you to get a vaccine you have chosen not to get must involve some serious cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 09, 2023, 11:04:56 am
Public health officials are hired to do a job. I am in favour of letting them do it. Undermining them at every turn is counterproductive and detrimental to our society. Calling them fascists because they have encouraged you to get a vaccine is stupid. Saying they forced you to get a vaccine you have chosen not to get must involve some serious cognitive dissonance.
Public health officials have no power to censor free speech.  This isn’t about their recommendations.  It’s about their censorship.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on February 09, 2023, 11:33:42 am
Disinformation kills democracy. That's why you guys fight for it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 09, 2023, 11:45:07 am
Disinformation kills democracy. That's why you guys fight for it.
Censorship kills democracy.  You’re not for real democracy, just the appearance of it.  Real democracy can be messy.  You’re a fascist.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 09, 2023, 11:45:26 am
Disinformation kills democracy. That's why you guys fight for it.

Apparently this doc only suggested lockdowns would harm children. How is that disinformation?

Without doing research in will admit these Twitter types often hide other facts conveniently so maybe this doc was saying actually harmful things, who knows.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 09, 2023, 11:55:53 am
Disinformation kills democracy. That's why you guys fight for it.

Was there misinformation happening here with this doctor?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on February 09, 2023, 11:00:23 pm
Censorship kills democracy.  You’re not for real democracy, just the appearance of it.  Real democracy can be messy.  You’re a fascist.

Elon Musk must hate democracy, since he has already censored people.  He also banned numerous accounts that were critical of him, until a backlash made him change his mind.

Elon Musk is autocratic, and not a believer in democracy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 10, 2023, 08:15:57 am
Elon Musk must hate democracy, since he has already censored people.  He also banned numerous accounts that were critical of him, until a backlash made him change his mind.

Elon Musk is autocratic, and not a believer in democracy.
This is just not true.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 10, 2023, 08:17:29 am
More Twitter censorship.

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 10, 2023, 12:07:56 pm
This is just not true.

The man has autocratic tendencies, clearly.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on February 10, 2023, 07:53:05 pm
Musk announced that he is removing all blue check-marks from anyone who does not pay the $8/month fee.  I can't wait until celebrities, businesses, and news organisations shout their twitter accounts down, who others try to spoof them, leaving Musk with nothing but a far right echo chamber, where his loyal followers kiss his ass 24/7.

I'm beginning to wonder if Musk is mentally ill.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 10, 2023, 08:04:11 pm
Musk announced that he is removing all blue check-marks from anyone who does not pay the $8/month fee.  I can't wait until celebrities, businesses, and news organisations shout their twitter accounts down, who others try to spoof them, leaving Musk with nothing but a far right echo chamber, where his loyal followers kiss his ass 24/7.

I'm beginning to wonder if Musk is mentally ill.

He has delusions of grandeur.  He's weird and has a fragile ego, like Trump.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on March 11, 2023, 10:19:31 pm
"Elon Musk is a phoney. ...He is owned, lock, stock, and barrel, by the Chinese Communist Party, and he acts like it." - Steve Bannon (who is owned by Putin)
https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1634537226217422849?s=20
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on March 12, 2023, 03:51:12 am
"Elon Musk is a phoney. ...He is owned, lock, stock, and barrel, by the Chinese Communist Party, and he acts like it." - Steve Bannon (who is owned by Putin)
https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1634537226217422849?s=20

Two horrible people engaged in a Twitter battle. Time to sit back, and make some popcorn...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 24, 2023, 05:06:11 pm
Whoopsie!
 (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/0)
Quote
SpaceX launched the largest rocket ever built for the first time on Thursday from its Boca Chica, Texas, spaceport. The Starship spacecraft, designed to fly people on a Mars mission someday, lifted off the launch pad then blew up in mid-flight, with no crew on board.

Now, residents and researchers are scrambling to assess the impact of the explosion on local communities, their health, habitat and wildlife including endangered species. Of primary concern is the large amount of sand- and ash-like particulate matter and heavier debris kicked up by the launch. The particulate emissions spread far beyond the expected debris field.

As a result of the explosion, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) grounded the company’s Starship Super Heavy launch program pending results of a “mishap investigation,” part of standard practice, according to an email from the agency sent to CNBC after the launch. No injuries or public property damage had yet been reported to the agency as of Friday.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest7 on April 24, 2023, 06:38:26 pm
Whoopsie!
 (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/0)

Dammit.  Much as I don't like Musk, I want to see people on Mars before I die.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2023, 11:33:03 am
Dammit.  Much as I don't like Musk, I want to see people on Mars before I die.

It's not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest7 on April 25, 2023, 07:36:04 pm
It's not gonna happen.

How do you know?  Maybe I'm 12.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on April 26, 2023, 10:11:28 am
How do you know?  Maybe I'm 12.

Well leaving aside there's no benefit to sending humans to Mars that justifies the cost when you can send robots for much less, the technology to support a six-month journey to and sustained presence on Mars simply does not exist in any form.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest7 on April 26, 2023, 10:52:33 am
Well leaving aside there's no benefit to sending humans to Mars that justifies the cost when you can send robots for much less, the technology to support a six-month journey to and sustained presence on Mars simply does not exist in any form.

La lalalllaaalllaaaa

I can't hear you....
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 09, 2023, 01:18:47 pm
Elon is promoting a right-wing conspiracy theor (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1655977617583898637)y that the guy with swastika and SS tattoos who killed 8 people at the mall in Texas was some kind of psyop or false flag.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on May 11, 2023, 07:26:46 pm
Twitter has a new CEO. Musk announced today that "she will be starting her position in about 6 weeks."  However, reliable sources have uncovered a photo of the mysterious woman:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv30kD-WcAUnlc6?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 12, 2023, 03:03:34 pm
Elon's twitter is a haven for graphic videos of animal torture. (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/cat-dog-torture-videos-litter-twitter-adding-concerns-moderation-rcna84190)
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Graphic videos of animal abuse have circulated widely on Twitter in recent weeks, generating outrage and renewed concern over the platform’s moderation practices.

One such video, in which a kitten appears to be placed inside a blender and then killed, has become so notorious that reactions to it have become their own genre of internet content.
...
The spread of the video as well as its presence in Twitter’s suggested searches is part of a worrying trend of animal cruelty videos that have littered the social media platform following Elon Musk’s takeover, which included mass layoffs and deep cuts to the company’s content moderation and safety teams.

Last weekend, gory videos from two violent events in Texas spread on Twitter, with some users saying that the images had been pushed into the platform’s algorithmic “For You” feed.

The animal abuse videos appear to predate those videos. Various users have tweeted that they have seen the cat video, with some trying to get Musk’s attention on the issue — some dating back to early May. Clemens said she flagged the video on May 3 to Twitter’s support account and Ella Irwin, the vice president of trust and safety at Twitter and one of Musk’s closest advisers.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 13, 2023, 07:38:39 pm
Free speech absolutist Elon Musk bends over for Turkish government's request to censor content ahead of election.
 (https://thehill.com/policy/technology/4003430-twitter-under-fire-for-perceived-censorship-ahead-of-election-in-turkey/)

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Twitter is facing criticism for restricting content in Turkey ahead of Sunday’s election.

“In response to legal process and to ensure Twitter remains available to the people of Turkey, we have taken action to restrict access to some content in Turkey today,” the company’s Global Government Affairs account tweeted in both English and Turkish on Friday night.

“We have informed the account holders of this action in line with our policy,” it added. “This content will remain available in the rest of the world.”
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 02:17:02 pm
Free speech absolutist Elon Musk bends over for Turkish government's request to censor content ahead of election.
 (https://thehill.com/policy/technology/4003430-twitter-under-fire-for-perceived-censorship-ahead-of-election-in-turkey/)

Interesting conundrum:

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Twitter CEO Elon Musk defended the decision on Saturday, tweeting, “The choice is have Twitter throttled in its entirety or limit access to some tweets. Which one do you want?”
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 02:19:10 pm
Interesting conundrum:

Not really. "Limiting access to some tweets" here means "doing the government's bidding and throttling opposition voices." A true free speech absolutist would rather shut everything down rather than be used as a tool by an authoritarian government.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 02:20:10 pm
Elon Musk interview from yesterday.  Always an interesting convo.  Talks about China/Taiwan & possible chip manufacturing takeover, twitter, AI, ChatGPT, his "controversial tweets" etc.  Hear from the horses mouth instead of rage farm selective narratives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqTOX3KGSMQ
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 02:25:38 pm
Elon Musk interview from yesterday.  Always an interesting convo.  Talks about China/Taiwan & possible chip manufacturing takeover, twitter, AI, ChatGPT, his "controversial tweets" etc.  Hear from the horses mouth instead of rage farm selective narratives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqTOX3KGSMQ

Thanks for posting that. He's completely retarded.

Elon: "There's no proof the Allan, Texas shooter was a white supremacist."
The shooter: literally has Nazi tattoos
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 02:26:32 pm
Not really. "Limiting access to some tweets" here means "doing the government's bidding and throttling opposition voices." A true free speech absolutist would rather shut everything down rather than be used as a tool by an authoritarian government.

Maybe.  But his take on free speech on twitter has always been to follow the speech laws of each jurisdiction.  What's he supposed to do?  They'll just ban the whole site anyways.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 02:28:06 pm
Thanks for posting that. He's completely retarded.

Elon: "There's no proof the Allan, Texas shooter was a white supremacist."
The shooter: literally has Nazi tattoos

Let me know how to watch a 1 hour video in 3 minutes thanks.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 02:28:31 pm

And previous shooters were LGBT supremacists.  So what?  Let me guess, you want to use this particular shooter as a way of silencing people's legitimate political speech, like a good little fascist.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 02:29:00 pm
Let me know how to watch a 1 hour video in 3 minutes thanks.
This wins the internet today!!!!!!!!!  LOL!!!!!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 02:32:57 pm
Let me know how to watch a 1 hour video in 3 minutes thanks.

Do...do you think you were first person to post this on the internet?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 02:36:00 pm
And previous shooters were LGBT supremacists. So what?

No they weren't.

Quote
Let me guess, you want to use this particular shooter as a way of silencing people's legitimate political speech, like a good little fascist.

Hey, why do you feel so attacked when someone points out all the mass shooters with extreme right-wing beliefs? You'd think it wouldn't be that hard to disavow a Nazi and other violent political extremists instead of denying their ideology but I wonder why that is...
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 17, 2023, 02:39:11 pm
And previous shooters were LGBT supremacists.  So what?  Let me guess, you want to use this particular shooter as a way of silencing people's legitimate political speech, like a good little fascist.
But if, say, a shooter identified as non-binary, that's totally different, right? Because you were absolutely gleeful in talking about that when it happened and trying to tar them all with the same brush
One would think making a general statement against Nazis wouldn't get you going, but I guess Nazis gotta Nazi
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 02:45:04 pm
Thanks for posting that. He's completely retarded.

Elon: "There's no proof the Allan, Texas shooter was a white supremacist."
The shooter: literally has Nazi tattoos

Okwatch this, then read the AP article about Nazi tattoos.  Musk is saying the nazi tattoos and posts cannot be properly verified as the account they're from is an obscure Russian website nobody has heard of and were discovered by a company that engages in psyops.  Is he right?  I'll let the internet duke it out as I have no idea.  I see you've already been knee deep in that one LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUwRiIncKU

https://apnews.com/article/texas-mall-shooting-mauricio-garcia-424607c69a5df0adab64f236924ae4e2
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 02:47:44 pm
Okwatch this, then read the AP article about Nazi tattoos.  Musk is saying the nazi tattoos and posts cannot be properly verified as the account they're from is an obscure Russian website nobody has heard of and were discovered by a company that engages in psyops.  Is he right?  I'll let the internet duke it out as I have no idea.  I see you've already been knee deep in that one LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUwRiIncKU

https://apnews.com/article/texas-mall-shooting-mauricio-garcia-424607c69a5df0adab64f236924ae4e2
It's a classic case of confirmation bias.  It confirms what people like Black Dog and his ilk want to believe.  So whether it's actually true is irrelevant to them.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 02:49:17 pm
But if, say, a shooter identified as non-binary, that's totally different, right? Because you were absolutely gleeful in talking about that when it happened and trying to tar them all with the same brush
You're correct in a way.  I admit I was absolutely gleeful in painting that shooter of that group, the same way you and your ilk have been doing.  What's wrong?  You don't like the taste of your own medicine?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 17, 2023, 02:52:09 pm
You're correct in a way.  I admit I was absolutely gleeful in painting that shooter of that group, the same way you and your ilk have been doing.  What's wrong?  You don't like the taste of your own medicine?
I feel comfortable being on the trans side while you're on the Nazi side in this debate. I will always criticize mass shooters and will never defend their gun ownership and Nazi ties
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 02:52:48 pm
Do...do you think you were first person to post this on the internet?

Did you watch the interview or did you just peruse the twitter rage farm about it?  You don't have to answer that as I already know the answer.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 02:53:14 pm
Okwatch this, then read the AP article about Nazi tattoos. Musk is saying the nazi tattoos and posts cannot be properly verified as the account they're from is an obscure Russian website nobody has heard of and were discovered by a company that engages in psyops.  Is he right? I'll let the internet duke it out as I have no idea.  I see you've already been knee deep in that one LOL

The Nazi tattoos were confirmed (https://www.fox4news.com/news/allen-outlets-shooting-livestream-fbi-dps) by Texas authorities. Musk is a retard.

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The Texas Department of Public Safety says 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia, the man they say is responsible for the shooting that killed 8 people at the Allen Premium Outlets, had neo-Nazi ideation, including Nazi tattoos and patches.
...
During a news conference Tuesday afternoon, DPS Regional Director Hank Sibley said that the Texas Rangers are investigating Garcia's social media history and looking through his computer and other electronic devices.
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"We do know that he had neo-Nazi ideation," Sibley said. "He had patches. He had tattoos. Even his signature verified that."

It's a classic case of confirmation bias.  It confirms what people like Black Dog and his ilk want to believe.  So whether it's actually true is irrelevant to them.

Lol you dumb ****, owned again!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 02:55:15 pm
Let me guess, you want to use this particular shooter as a way of silencing people's legitimate political speech, like a good little fascist.

Fascists are rightwing.  His boy is a commie dictator wannabe.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 02:56:42 pm
You're correct in a way.  I admit I was absolutely gleeful in painting that shooter of that group, the same way you and your ilk have been doing. What's wrong?  You don't like the taste of your own medicine?

love the tacit admission here that you're on the same side as the guy with SS tats.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 03:05:25 pm
The Nazi tattoos were confirmed (https://www.fox4news.com/news/allen-outlets-shooting-livestream-fbi-dps) by Texas authorities. Musk is a retard.

Lol you dumb ****, owned again!
Which of his tattoos are nazi tattoos?  Why does it matter?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 17, 2023, 03:07:55 pm
You don't worry that you jumped the shark when you started defending Nazi mass shooters?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 03:10:47 pm
Which of his tattoos are nazi tattoos? 

Take a guess!

(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/2d/4by3/2023/05/08/2d33469b4dc34caea162e411e78872d3_md.jpg)

Oh and before you say "buhh how do we know that's him?" he had other tattoos shown in his social media profile that were also visible from scenes from the shooting.

So either the profile bellingcat found is actually him or the shooter was a different guy who also happened to have Nazi tats (as confirmed by TDOPS).

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Why does it matter?

I think it's worth asking why so many right-wingers are being driven to commit acts of terrorism and how such people can be barred from purchasing weapons to carry out such acts.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 03:11:33 pm
You don't worry that you jumped the shark when you started defending Nazi mass shooters?
You're becoming quite unhinged with your hyperbole now.  Go have some metamucil and take a nap.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 03:13:05 pm
Take a guess!

(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/2d/4by3/2023/05/08/2d33469b4dc34caea162e411e78872d3_md.jpg)

Oh and before you say "buhh how do we know that's him?" he had other tattoos shown in his social media profile that were also visible from scenes from the shooting.

I think it's worth asking why so many right-wingers are being driven to commit acts of terrorism and how such people can be barred from purchasing weapons to carry out such acts.
Is that picture of the shooter?  So many right wingers?  What about the LGBT shooter trend lately?  What's the reasons for that?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 03:21:35 pm
Is that picture of the shooter? 

Yes.

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So many right wingers?


Yes. Allen, Colorado Springs, Buffalo, Highland Park, Portland, Las Vegas just to name a few.

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What about the LGBT shooter trend lately?  What's the reasons for that?

One is not a trend.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 17, 2023, 03:29:20 pm
You're becoming quite unhinged with your hyperbole now.  Go have some metamucil and take a nap.
Nazi boy is going to start whatabouting trans people any minute now that he made a fool of himself again. 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 17, 2023, 03:31:42 pm
  What about the LGBT shooter trend lately?  What's the reasons for tthat?
Sorry, I didn't realize the "any minute now" I predicted had already happened.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 03:34:49 pm
Sorry, I didn't realize the "any minute now" I predicted had already happened.
Do you think we'll get to see the manifesto at some point?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 03:36:16 pm
One is not a trend.
Is 3?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 03:49:27 pm
Do you think we'll get to see the manifesto at some point?

The public release of the writings of the shooter are currently subject to a court case with the Christian school pushing for them to be kept under wraps. But from what's been said publicly (https://www.newschannel5.com/news/tbi-director-shares-new-details-on-the-covenant-school-shooters-manifesto), there's nothing in there about any specific political, religious or social issues so your desperate hope that this person was driven by some radical gender ideology are likely going to be dashed.

Is 3?

Three in five years, none of which have to do with any ideology? No.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 17, 2023, 03:51:14 pm
Regardless, yes, all mass shootings deserve scrutiny in terms of whether the shooter should have had easy access to AR-15s
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 04:41:01 pm
The Nazi tattoos were confirmed (https://www.fox4news.com/news/allen-outlets-shooting-livestream-fbi-dps) by Texas authorities. Musk is a retard.

Or maybe while he was on the can he only read that one article that I posted and made a smart quip about it on twitter and didn't read your article because he doesn't have time to argue about it on twitter all day or do research on it because he has half a dozen companies to run.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 04:53:31 pm
The public release of the writings of the shooter are currently subject to a court case with the Christian school pushing for them to be kept under wraps. But from what's been said publicly (https://www.newschannel5.com/news/tbi-director-shares-new-details-on-the-covenant-school-shooters-manifesto), there's nothing in there about any specific political, religious or social issues so your desperate hope that this person was driven by some radical gender ideology are likely going to be dashed.

Three in five years, none of which have to do with any ideology? No.
3 in less than a year. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 05:36:30 pm
Or maybe while he was on the can he only read that one article that I posted and made a smart quip about it on twitter and didn't read your article because he doesn't have time to argue about it on twitter all day or do research on it because he has half a dozen companies to run.

All he does is argue on Twitter lol!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 06:27:03 pm
Elon Musk nukes BBC reporter.  This was glorious! 😂

https://youtu.be/-73bN7n5jB0
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 06:28:01 pm
All he does is argue on Twitter lol!
Complete nonsense.  He’s recently had interviews with BBC and CNBC. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 17, 2023, 07:39:07 pm
I'm not a regular twitter user, but the site has added a feature called "community notes" to help with disinformation, which seems to sort of work like Wikipedia re: community feedback & enforcement.  A tweet will not be censored by twitter, but anyone can add a note about the info/opinion of a tweet and if enough users upvote a note it will be added as a note under the tweet:

https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/community-notes

Musk has said some advertisers have left twitter because their tweets (ads) have been flagged with notes.  LOL
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 08:02:19 pm
I'm not a regular twitter user, but the site has added a feature called "community notes" to help with disinformation, which seems to sort of work like Wikipedia re: community feedback & enforcement.  A tweet will not be censored by twitter, but anyone can add a note about the info/opinion of a tweet and if enough users upvote a note it will be added as a note under the tweet:

https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/community-notes

Musk has said some advertisers have left twitter because their tweets (ads) have been flagged with notes.  LOL
It’s a great feature.  It allows people to push back in some way against the misinformation of the powerful and elite.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on May 17, 2023, 08:07:40 pm
It’s a great feature.  It allows people to push back in some way against the misinformation of the powerful and elite.
Also the gullible and stupid
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 17, 2023, 08:54:59 pm
I'm not a regular twitter user, but the site has added a feature called "community notes" to help with disinformation, which seems to sort of work like Wikipedia re: community feedback & enforcement.  A tweet will not be censored by twitter, but anyone can add a note about the info/opinion of a tweet and if enough users upvote a note it will be added as a note under the tweet:

https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/community-notes

Musk has said some advertisers have left twitter because their tweets (ads) have been flagged with notes.  LOL

I’m sure it’s that and not the swarms of Nazi chucklefucks with blue checkmarks under every post lol
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 17, 2023, 09:04:25 pm
I’m sure it’s that and not the swarms of Nazi chucklefucks with blue checkmarks under every post lol
Tell me you don’t use Twitter without telling me that you don’t use Twitter.  Stick to Facebook boomer.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 18, 2023, 12:05:52 am
Tell me you don’t use Twitter without telling me that you don’t use Twitter.  Stick to Facebook boomer.

You don’t see a problem because all you see are bluecheck simps and retards just like you. But normal people are watching the place circle the drain because it boosts the freaks.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 18, 2023, 12:08:07 am
3 in less than a year.

You’re as bad at lying as you are every other thing you do, c*nt.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 31, 2023, 01:56:05 pm
Business Genius, mater at work.

Twitter may be worth only a third of its pre-Musk value, Fidelity says (https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/tech/twitter-value-fidelity-estimate/index.html#:~:text=That's%20down%20from%20the%20%2419.66,Musk's%20%2444%20billion%20purchase%20price.)
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A Fidelity fund has slashed its estimate of Twitter’s value amid ongoing chaos at the company, implying the social media platform may be worth only a third of its value compared to when Elon Musk acquired it in October.

According to a monthly disclosure, Fidelity’s Blue Chip Growth Fund reported that its stake in Twitter was worth $6.55 million at the end of April.

That’s down from the $19.66 million the Fidelity fund said its stake was worth in October as Musk was finalizing the acquisition. The revision implies Twitter may be worth only $15 billion overall, as opposed to Musk’s $44 billion purchase price.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 31, 2023, 02:04:25 pm
Business Genius, mater at work.

Twitter may be worth only a third of its pre-Musk value, Fidelity says (https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/tech/twitter-value-fidelity-estimate/index.html#:~:text=That's%20down%20from%20the%20%2419.66,Musk's%20%2444%20billion%20purchase%20price.)
It has far more value as a public town square, than any monetary value.  That’s why he bought it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 31, 2023, 02:33:35 pm
It has far more value as a public town square, than any monetary value.  That’s why he bought it.

A "public town square" where you have to pay to get special treatment.

Simp.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 31, 2023, 02:53:13 pm
A "public town square" where you have to pay to get special treatment.

Simp.
You don’t have to pay to speak there.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 31, 2023, 03:12:42 pm
You don’t have to pay to speak there.

Good thing I didn't say that, you illiterate moron.

Maybe if you spent more time learning to read and less time imagining you were slurping Elon's cum you might learn something, dickrider.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 31, 2023, 03:14:37 pm
Good thing I didn't say that, you illiterate moron.

Maybe if you spent more time learning to read and less time imagining you were slurping Elon's cum you might learn something, dickrider.
I know, but what you said was completely irrelevant.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 31, 2023, 03:17:55 pm
I know, but what you said was completely irrelevant.

A public square where some people can pay extra to get their voices amplified is not a public square in any meaningful sense of the word. Also, a public square is, by definition, not privately owned.

And I haven't even mentioned Elon's spineless caving to the censorship demands of various authoritarian governments (https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/29/tech/elon-musk-twitter-government-takedown/index.html).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 31, 2023, 03:32:14 pm
A public square where some people can pay extra to get their voices amplified is not a public square in any meaningful sense of the word. Also, a public square is, by definition, not privately owned.

And I haven't even mentioned Elon's spineless caving to the censorship demands of various authoritarian governments (https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/29/tech/elon-musk-twitter-government-takedown/index.html).
Your voice doesn’t get amplified by payment.  Stick to Facebook boomer.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 31, 2023, 03:45:45 pm
Your voice doesn’t get amplified by payment.  Stick to Facebook boomer.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuiUIsEX0AAoxu2.jpg:small)

If you actually used Twitter (as opposed to pasting screenshots from other places) you'd know that paid blue check users are either being boosted or regular accounts are getting hidden, which amounts to the same thing.

Honestly incredible how much time you spend slobbering on Elon's knob without any understanding of how his products work (or, in most cases, don't).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 31, 2023, 05:05:52 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuiUIsEX0AAoxu2.jpg:small)

If you actually used Twitter (as opposed to pasting screenshots from other places) you'd know that paid blue check users are either being boosted or regular accounts are getting hidden, which amounts to the same thing.

Honestly incredible how much time you spend slobbering on Elon's knob without any understanding of how his products work (or, in most cases, don't).
And yet you don’t understand what he means by prioritized.  I’ve never met a more stupid person that thinks they’re f*^king Einstein or something. 😂 😂 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on May 31, 2023, 05:28:36 pm
And yet you don’t understand what he means by prioritized.  I’ve never met a more stupid person that thinks they’re f*^king Einstein or something. 😂 😂 😂

I do, but the better question is: do you? Because I wanna hear what you think it means.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 07, 2023, 01:57:56 pm
Nothing to see just Elon Musk conversing with antisemitic accounts.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyCaanQacAENk3E?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 22, 2023, 09:49:34 am
Mark Zuckerberg is ready to fight Elon Musk in a cage match
 (https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/21/23769263/mark-zuckerberg-elon-musk-fight-cage-match-worldstar)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwx85fDX0AAAuPs?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on June 22, 2023, 09:57:53 am
Mark Zuckerberg is ready to fight Elon Musk in a cage match
 (https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/21/23769263/mark-zuckerberg-elon-musk-fight-cage-match-worldstar)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwx85fDX0AAAuPs?format=jpg&name=small)
Anemic lizard boy would get his a$$ kicked!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on June 22, 2023, 10:16:58 am
Not sure which one is most lizard-like.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 22, 2023, 10:54:32 am
Anemic lizard boy would get his a$$ kicked!

By this pasty lardass?

(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/fecc7fec4bbfd01a17c1f1c56c75387c)

Anyway I hope this happens and they both die.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on June 22, 2023, 12:03:39 pm
By this pasty lardass?

(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/fecc7fec4bbfd01a17c1f1c56c75387c)

Anyway I hope this happens and they both die.
Absolutely.  It’s like King Kong Bundy vs a toothpick.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 22, 2023, 12:28:56 pm
Absolutely.  It’s like King Kong Bundy vs a toothpick.

Zuck is in shape and trained in jujitsu. Elon is just a moist fat guy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 26, 2023, 01:35:07 pm
Another example of how muskrat is making Twitter worse:

Twitter API changes crush @PossumEveryHour and other good bots (https://mashable.com/article/twitter-good-bot-purge-makeitaquote-hourly-animal-accounts)

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Another day, another Twitter apocalypse. This time Elon Musk's company is purging some of the most popular automated accounts from its platform.

Little by little over the past few weeks, API access was suspended for a huge cluster of Twitter's most beloved bots. The suspensions were revealed when Twitter accounts that normally post automated pictures or memes suddenly posted on the site that they are being forced to shut down.

"Ah, but he did say he would get rid of the bots, didn't he?" you say. Well, yes but also no. See the problem isn't bots per se, it's that these particular bots weren't paying.

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According to the creators of the bot accounts, it seems Twitter is suspending API access for bots that either don't pay for an API subscription, or opt not to join Twitter Blue, the platform's paid premium service.

I'm on Twitter every day for work and there have never been more spam bots than there are now, thousands of Chinese e-stores selling garbage, **** bots and crypto scams galore, it's a mess.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on June 28, 2023, 05:51:30 pm
GSP is a legend!!!

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on June 28, 2023, 06:11:26 pm
Wow. I can't think of anything I could possibly care less about.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 28, 2023, 08:40:45 pm
I thought Elon pussied out after his mom got upset..
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 28, 2023, 08:44:21 pm
Wow. I can't think of anything I could possibly care less about.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDk00UZVEAcWrqf.jpg:small)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on June 28, 2023, 08:57:28 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDk00UZVEAcWrqf.jpg:small)
You’re the one that brought this story up.  You’re the one that initially posted about it. 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on June 28, 2023, 10:18:27 pm
You’re the one that brought this story up.  You’re the one that initially posted about it. 🤦‍♂️

I didn’t say anything about being sick of it, stupid.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on June 29, 2023, 01:48:44 am
GSP is a legend!!!

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It's going to be awesome to see Zuckerberg destroy Musk in an MMA match.  GSP is a great fighter, but he can't work miracles. A 39 year old who has won medals in BJJ, and in great shape, is not going to lose to an old man, who's fighting skills are inferior.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on June 29, 2023, 01:30:35 pm
😂😂😂

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest7 on June 29, 2023, 03:14:38 pm
😂😂😂

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Those are some nice teeth he's got there.  It'd be a shame if something were to... happen to them.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on June 29, 2023, 05:16:18 pm
Those are some nice teeth he's got there.  It'd be a shame if something were to... happen to them.

I hope it's a grudge match, and Zucker lands so many punches that Musk gets a severe concussion, and is unable to tweet for months.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on June 29, 2023, 09:00:21 pm
Didn't Musk's mom already tell him he isn't allowed to fight?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on June 29, 2023, 10:39:12 pm
'tale of the tape'... whaaaa IQ!

(https://i.imgur.com/gIW9N2r.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest7 on June 29, 2023, 10:40:09 pm
Didn't Musk's mom already tell him he isn't allowed to fight?

He's NOT the world's richest man, he's a very naughty boy!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 01, 2023, 01:04:51 pm
LOL man is hellbent on destroying his website.

#TwitterDown: Thousands of users hit with ‘rate limit exceeded’ error message
 (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/01/tech/twitter-rate-limit-exceeded/index.html)
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Thousands of Twitter users across several countries were unable to access the social media site, or faced difficulty and delays, Saturday.

“Rate Limit Exceeded” and “#TwitterDown” are the two top trending topics on the app in the US, for those who have use of it. The former had over 40,000 tweets as of Saturday noon.

Reports of outages began around 8 am EST, according to DownDetector, and shot up through the morning. As of noon EST, DownDetector showed more than 7,400 outage reports across the website.

Users, including CNN journalists, flagged that their feeds weren’t loading and that they were met with an error message saying, “Sorry, you are rate limited. Please wait a few moments then try again.” Others reported errors saying the site cannot retrieve tweets.

Hours after users began reporting the problems, billionaire owner Elon Musk tweeted that the site had applied temporary limits “to address extreme levels of data scraping and system manipulation.”

Verified accounts are limited to reading 6,000 posts a day, he tweeted, while unverified accounts are limited to just 600. New unverified accounts are at 300 posts a day.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 01, 2023, 01:43:33 pm
Musk is learning the hard way, that when you buy the company, gut it from the inside and terminate 70% of the workforce, it will collapse.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 01, 2023, 02:29:41 pm
Musk is learning the hard way, that when you buy the company, gut it from the inside and terminate 70% of the workforce, it will collapse.
It’s not collapsing at all.  It continues to be a work in progress, because pre-Elon Twitter was on a path to insolvency, as well as a tool of censorship by the government and other elite institutions.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 01, 2023, 02:31:15 pm
LOL man is hellbent on destroying his website.

#TwitterDown: Thousands of users hit with ‘rate limit exceeded’ error message
 (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/01/tech/twitter-rate-limit-exceeded/index.html)
Hey boomer, stop complaining about Twitter.  If you don’t like it, don’t use it.  But STFU already.  Btw, didn’t you say you’d leave the forum if Musk actually bought Twitter?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 01, 2023, 02:59:41 pm
Hey boomer, stop complaining about Twitter.  If you don’t like it, don’t use it.  But STFU already.  Btw, didn’t you say you’d leave the forum if Musk actually bought Twitter?

1. I have to use Twitter for work but I’ve already gone over to Bluesky for my personal account.
2. Don’t you get sore riding Elon’s dick all day?
3. I offered those terms as a wager you were too much of a pu$$y to take, so you only have yourself to blame, bitchboy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 01, 2023, 03:00:29 pm
It’s not collapsing at all.  It continues to be a work in progress, because pre-Elon Twitter was on a path to insolvency, as well as a tool of censorship by the government and other elite institutions.


Lmao you are the worlds biggest ass-licker. He's made the website completely nonfunctional, he's bleeding money and advertisers and he's still kowtowing to authoritarian governments.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 04, 2023, 12:22:29 pm
I removed Black Dogs post in error.  I just wanted to acknowledge that and apologize for the mistake.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Moonbox on July 04, 2023, 01:30:53 pm
It’s not collapsing at all.  It continues to be a work in progress, because pre-Elon Twitter was on a path to insolvency, as well as a tool of censorship by the government and other elite institutions.

It's on a faster path to insolvency now, with ad sales leading into May down ~60% from last year and unlikely to improve anytime soon.  It turns out that companies are wary of being linked to a platform for conspiracy theories and an owner who can't stop saying stupid ****. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on July 05, 2023, 10:56:17 am
It’s not collapsing at all.  It continues to be a work in progress, because pre-Elon Twitter was on a path to insolvency, as well as a tool of censorship by the government and other elite institutions.

twitter was down... so... apparently, Musk offers cover for the outage with a reeediculous tweets limits reviewing rule! Meanwhile, a "cage-match" of another kind? Meta takes aim at Twitter with new Threads app (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/tech/threads-app-meta-twitter-rival/index.html) --- "killer app" Threads lands Thursday, July 6th {killer app... sure waldo, sure!}



Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 05, 2023, 12:40:12 pm
twitter was down... so... apparently, Musk offers cover for the outage with a reeediculous tweets limits reviewing rule! Meanwhile, a "cage-match" of another kind? Meta takes aim at Twitter with new Threads app (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/tech/threads-app-meta-twitter-rival/index.html) --- "killer app" Threads lands Thursday, July 6th {killer app... sure waldo, sure!}
I hope it’s not run like Facebook.  It’ll be garbage.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 05, 2023, 02:56:25 pm
I hope it’s not run like Facebook.  It’ll be garbage.

Every single social media site is trash from a UX standpoint. None of them do what they were created to do anymore.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on July 12, 2023, 10:50:02 am
zuck vs. doughboy cage-match is still a go! Zuckerberg getting in some training sessions with different UFC weight-class champions...

(https://i.imgur.com/hGrxI8P.jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on July 12, 2023, 10:54:13 am
Are they allowed to fight to the death? Is there a way to make this so?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 12, 2023, 11:57:59 am
If you're super-rich you should be either a) super shredded thanks to the best personal chefs and trainers and the finest steroids money can buy or b) extremely morbidly obese from a diet of non-stop caviar, foie gras, filet mignon, etc. Musk has the body of a divorced middle manager at a mid-sized regional beverage distributor. Total loser.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 12, 2023, 09:03:08 pm
I've heard word that Zuckerberg is in great shape, and is training 2 hours a day for years, while Elon Musk is pathetic at sports, let alone fighting. It should be a fight to the death, since Zucker would put Musk in a choke-hold, and crush his windpipe.

Personally, I don't like to see people die, but I would make an exception in the case of Musk.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 14, 2023, 07:09:45 pm
So much for Threads. 😂

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Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 14, 2023, 11:40:39 pm
I love when you post charts without any type of source where it came from.

Musk did the same thing a couple of months ago, claiming that Twitter gained members, while claiming there was a "big decrease" in child exploitation and hate speech, despite gutting Twitter's Online Safety department.

No idea if Threads is going to replace Twitter, but Musk has ruined the app in less than a year. Twitter is becoming an echo chamber for White supremacists.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 14, 2023, 11:43:25 pm
zuck vs. doughboy cage-match is still a go! Zuckerberg getting in some training sessions with different UFC weight-class champions...

(https://i.imgur.com/hGrxI8P.jpg)

Elon is suck a flake, he will pullout of the fight, claiming some kind of illness.

Really, a 52 year old man, with no combat experience is not going to defeat a 39 year old man, who has actually metalled in his weight class for BJJ, and happens to be in excellent physical shape.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 15, 2023, 09:08:37 pm
I've heard word that Zuckerberg is in great shape, and is training 2 hours a day for years, while Elon Musk is pathetic at sports, let alone fighting. It should be a fight to the death, since Zucker would put Musk in a choke-hold, and crush his windpipe.

Personally, I don't like to see people die, but I would make an exception in the case of Musk.

Spoiler:  they're both sh*tbags.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 16, 2023, 04:03:17 am
Spoiler:  they're both sh*tbags.

Zuckerberg is not a great person, but Musk is a White Supremacist man-child.  Eon is 100x worse than Zucker. Imagine mocking Nancy Pelusi's husband after a violent intruder attempted to murder him? Or his hatred of Jews or people like Fauci.

Musk lives up to his apartheid South African roots. I hope Zucker kills him in the ring...literally bursting Musk's blood vessels to his brain, and either killing him outright, or rendering him a vegetable. It would be karma.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on July 16, 2023, 11:40:15 am
Elon Musk: Twitter’s ad revenue is down 50% and cash flow is negative

(https://i.imgur.com/ofOpDq1.gif)

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 24, 2023, 12:36:22 pm
Elon erases famous popular brand and renames Twitter "X".  Next will rename Coca-Cola "Brown Yum Yum Sauce"
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 03:20:43 pm
Elon erases famous popular brand and renames Twitter "X".  Next will rename Coca-Cola "Brown Yum Yum Sauce"
Elon has now monetized Twitter like YouTube.  So content creators get paid now.  Power to the people!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 24, 2023, 03:28:48 pm
Elon has now monetized Twitter like YouTube.  So content creators get paid now.  Power to the people!

Stop sucking his balls.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 03:31:42 pm
Stop sucking his balls.
Huh?  Because he’s monetized Twitter?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 24, 2023, 03:56:59 pm
Twitter was a good app from 2009-2022.

Once Elon took it over, he killed it.

In the last few months, it has not been as an enjoyable experience, as it was in the 2010's up until 2022.

Now the floodgates will open, and by 2024, it will be irrelevant.

RIP Twitter.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 04:48:34 pm
Twitter was a good app from 2009-2022.

Once Elon took it over, he killed it.

In the last few months, it has not been as an enjoyable experience, as it was in the 2010's up until 2022.

Now the floodgates will open, and by 2024, it will be irrelevant.

RIP Twitter.
Twitter was in financial trouble king before Elon bought it.  It will come out of financial trouble because of Elon.  Libtards have been proclaiming Twitter dead for two years now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 24, 2023, 04:52:34 pm
Elon has now monetized Twitter like YouTube.  So content creators get paid now.  Power to the people!


A handful of Elon’s handpicked bumlickers got payouts, most “creators” do not.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 24, 2023, 04:53:22 pm
Twitter was in financial trouble king before Elon bought it.  It will come out of financial trouble because of Elon.  Libtards have been proclaiming Twitter dead for two years now.

He’s sewered the value and destroyed its main revenue stream.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on July 24, 2023, 05:37:18 pm
The best part is they get to fight Microsoft in court now over the rights to trademark of the letter X within computer-based communications. So much waste. It's fun to watch.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 24, 2023, 06:57:34 pm
Here's how they could have of monetized twitter:

- make people who deserve a blue check (celebs, companies etc) pay a fee per month for the blue check verification.

- put ads between the occassional tweet.

- Keep twitter free but give users the ability to upgrade to a premium account service.  You get the ability to have special effects font for your name or special emoticons next to your name or in your bio, or some other vanity perks that vain people will like.  Maybe give people fewer ads too.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 07:06:47 pm
He’s sewered the value and destroyed its main revenue stream.
No he actually didn’t.  It’s apparent that you have no idea what the finances situation at Twitter was over the past few years.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 24, 2023, 07:07:11 pm
Twitter was in financial trouble king before Elon bought it. It will come out of financial trouble because of Elon.  Libtards have been proclaiming Twitter dead for two years now.

1. You must be delusional if you think Musk is leading Twitter (or whatever it is called now) out of financial trouble. 

2. It's only been since November 2022, that people have been predicting Twitter's demise, not 2 years.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 07:08:14 pm
Here's how they could have of monetized twitter:

- make people who deserve a blue check (celebs, companies etc) pay a fee per month for the blue check verification.

- put ads between the occassional tweet.

- Keep twitter free but give users the ability to upgrade to a premium account service.  You get the ability to have special effects font for your name or special emoticons next to your name or in your bio, or some other vanity perks that vain people will like.  Maybe give people fewer ads too.
Those aren’t bad ideas, however, Twitter is free.  So when you say keep Twitter free, it still is.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 07:09:43 pm
1. You must be delusional if you think Musk is leading Twitter (or whatever it is called now) out of financial trouble. 

2. It's only been since November 2022, that people have been predicting Twitter's demise, not 2 years.
Yes, I’ve seen RIP Twitter every couple of months.  But activity continues to climb.  Just keep me posted when it goes under, I don’t want to miss it!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 24, 2023, 07:16:05 pm
Yes, I’ve seen RIP Twitter every couple of months.  But activity continues to climb.  Just keep me posted when it goes under, I don’t want to miss it!

Wrong.

source: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/17/twitters-top-users-are-posting-less-since-musk-acquisition-pew-shows.html

Personally, I've noticed the accounts I interact with, have either quit the app, or have been posting less.  I also noticed my amount of "followers" is actually up.  Problem, is they are all bots, something that Musk bragged he would rid Twitter of.  I never noticed any of my followers were bots, until a few months ago.  Now I probably have at least 50 bot accounts following me.

In other words, Musk is inflating the total amount of Twitter users, by using bots. It's also notable that Musk is now not letting people close their twitter accounts.

Anyone who has used Twitter frequently in the past, has noticed that there is noticeably less organic activity on the app.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on July 24, 2023, 07:50:17 pm
Wrong.

source: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/17/twitters-top-users-are-posting-less-since-musk-acquisition-pew-shows.html

Personally, I've noticed the accounts I interact with, have either quit the app, or have been posting less.  I also noticed my amount of "followers" is actually up.  Problem, is they are all bots, something that Musk bragged he would rid Twitter of.  I never noticed any of my followers were bots, until a few months ago.  Now I probably have at least 50 bot accounts following me.

In other words, Musk is inflating the total amount of Twitter users, by using bots. It's also notable that Musk is now not letting people close their twitter accounts.

Anyone who has used Twitter frequently in the past, has noticed that there is noticeably less organic activity on the app.
Wrong.  He’s actually fighting against bots.  That’s what some of the controversial technical implementations have been about like limited views/usage.  He wouldn’t be doing that is if he wanted bots.  You’re clearly misinformed, probably from confirmation bias based on your personal dislike for Elon Musk, for whatever reason, his wanting to fight climate change though EV technology, his wanting to innovate space exploration, or his support for general free speech.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on July 24, 2023, 08:21:17 pm
Maybe he shouldn't have laid off everybody if he was serious about getting rid of bots, because it's clear he's failing on a grand scale. The app has turned to ****.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 24, 2023, 10:45:16 pm
Wrong.  He’s actually fighting against bots.  That’s what some of the controversial technical implementations have been about like limited views/usage.  He wouldn’t be doing that is if he wanted bots.  You’re clearly misinformed, probably from confirmation bias based on your personal dislike for Elon Musk, for whatever reason, his wanting to fight climate change though EV technology, his wanting to innovate space exploration, or his support for general free speech.

As per usual, Elon Musk is full of s**t.  It's amazing that you lick his boots. 

I've seen it myself. I get 2-3 "followers" every week since late 2022.  All of them have hardly any followers, are nearly all women, who do not have any interests in common with me.  However, this has been noted by nearly everyone except Elon buttlickers, such as yourself.

No wonder why you are fooled so easily in regards to news.  Most of your sources are from YouTube amateur "independent" journalists.

"His support for free speech."

LOL.  That is funny.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 24, 2023, 10:59:12 pm
Wrong.  He’s actually fighting against bots.  That’s what some of the controversial technical implementations have been about like limited views/usage.  He wouldn’t be doing that is if he wanted bots.  You’re clearly misinformed, probably from confirmation bias based on your personal dislike for Elon Musk, for whatever reason, his wanting to fight climate change though EV technology, his wanting to innovate space exploration, or his support for general free speech.

There are more bots now than ever and they all have blue checks. You’re a simp, a dickrider, a syncophant, a mark, a rube.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on July 24, 2023, 11:53:03 pm
Elon is suck a flake, he will pullout of the fight, claiming some kind of illness.

Really, a 52 year old man, with no combat experience is not going to defeat a 39 year old man, who has actually metalled in his weight class for BJJ, and happens to be in excellent physical shape.

Jimmy "The Mouth Of The South" Hart will distract the referee and The Honky Tonk Man will blast Zuck over the head with his guitar, and Musk will get the win as the referee inexplicably fails to notice all the pieces of broken guitar scattered all over the ring.

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on July 25, 2023, 12:03:42 am
Elon erases famous popular brand and renames Twitter "X".  Next will rename Coca-Cola "Brown Yum Yum Sauce"

Of all the dumb ideas he's had about Twitter, this has to be the stupidest.  Twitter's success as a brand name is such that "tweet" has entered the language in the same way as "google".  All but a relative handful of companies on earth would be green with envy to have the level of recognition as Twitter. The idea to drop the name and the universally recognized logo to go with an "X" that could just as easily be a cryptocurrency or a **** site or a Xerox relaunch is just unbelievably stupid.

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 25, 2023, 09:42:47 pm
Wrong.  He’s actually fighting against bots.  That’s what some of the controversial technical implementations have been about like limited views/usage.  He wouldn’t be doing that is if he wanted bots.  You’re clearly misinformed, probably from confirmation bias based on your personal dislike for Elon Musk, for whatever reason, his wanting to fight climate change though EV technology, his wanting to innovate space exploration, or his support for general free speech.

Out of curiosity, I reviewed my "new" followers over the past three months. 

Of the 23 new folloers to my account, only one of them appears to be legit. 

The other accounts:

-follow 1,500-2,000 people, while they themselves are not even followed by 50 people
-all are young women in their 20s, attractive, and exotic looking
-all seem to have posted on July 10, for some reason (their only tweet)
-their posts are rather generic, and have nothing to do with my interests
-we have no mutual "followers' in common.

Again, I have never noticed this prior to 2023.  Musk has lied about just about everything in regards to Twitter.  Hate speech and adult material has increased dramatically, in spite of Elon's own figures.  Twitter is not more active than before, as Musk claims.  If there are more actual accounts, it is due to the dramatic increase in bots. 

It;s getting to the point, where I question Elon's mental health.  It's corporate suicide to kill off the Twitter logo, and everything to do with it, as it has such name brand recognition.  Most companies would kill for Twitter's name recognition.  In addition, the new "X" logo is eerily similar to many pornographic sites. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 26, 2023, 07:39:55 am
“We live in a world now where anything you don't want to be true, doesn't have to be true…And, anything you do want to be true, you don't need all that much evidence.”

Bob Costas, responding to yet another one of Elon's idiotic tweets about the vaccine being more harmful than good, in relation to COVID,
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 27, 2023, 09:36:42 pm
Shady’s hero Elon personally intervened to reinstate an account that was posting extremely graphic videos of child sexual abuse and torture. https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgwa7z/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-child-sexual-abuse
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on July 27, 2023, 11:34:59 pm
Shady’s hero Elon personally intervened to reinstate an account that was posting extremely graphic videos of child sexual abuse and torture. https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgwa7z/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-child-sexual-abuse

Nothing new.  Musk has been doing this since Day 1.  Providing a place for the far right to spew hatred and misinformation from.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on July 31, 2023, 11:44:01 am
rascals, rascals everywhere!

(https://i.imgur.com/HL1Isq9.jpg)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on July 31, 2023, 04:35:36 pm
Can't spell Elon without an L.

X sign removed from Elon Musk company’s San Francisco headquarters
 (https://thehill.com/policy/technology/4129537-x-sign-removed-from-elon-musk-companys-san-fran-headquarters/)

Quote
The giant, glowing “X” sign has been removed from the San Francisco headquarters of the social media company formerly known as Twitter.

Multiple outlets reported Monday that the sign, which was installed last week amid the company’s rebrand, was removed by workers after city residents and officials complained.

More than a dozen complaints were filed to the San Francisco Department of Building Inspection after the sign was put up, including criticisms that the display wasn’t permitted and was a nuisance and that its flashing lights made it hard for residents to sleep, according to CNBC.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: kimmy on August 02, 2023, 01:56:14 am
I saw a video of that thing posted by a guy who lived in a building across the street.  It was nightmarish. Having to live across the street from that thing would have been intolerable.

 -k
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on August 18, 2023, 12:35:44 pm
Ok...

For what it's worth, threads isn't a bad experience and probably better than X, but they appear to be down playing news so you can't go there to find out what's going on.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on August 18, 2023, 01:02:13 pm
Ok...

For what it's worth, threads isn't a bad experience and probably better than X, but they appear to be down playing news so you can't go there to find out what's going on.

Bluesky is good, I can send you an invite code if you want.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 18, 2023, 01:05:07 pm
Elon says Twitter is going to remove the block feature as is a gift to the creeps and serial harassers that are his fanbase.

What's a Twitter?  It's called X now.  Don't make me doxx you.

Elon has run Twitter into the ground, which is not to say things were going great before, but this man's megalomania has destroyed his brain and the last few years have been an epic business disaster for him.  I enjoy watching it, not because I hate him, but because I find it funny.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on September 18, 2023, 01:21:29 pm
lol logged into Twitter with my work account for the first time in a while and one of the "accounts you might like" that popped up was called "Name the Jew" and was full of antisemitic and racist slop so obviously things are going great over there.

Don't go there.  I barely do.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 18, 2023, 01:49:44 pm
lol logged into Twitter with my work account for the first time in a while and one of the "accounts you might like" that popped up was called "Name the Jew" and was full of antisemitic and racist slop so obviously things are going great over there.
Things that didn’t happen for $500 Alex!  Regardless, you’re banned from this thread for deleting my posts in your threads, so fack off hypocrite.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 18, 2023, 02:09:58 pm
Actions have consequences f**kface.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 18, 2023, 02:20:10 pm
Actions have consequences f**kface.

Whatever fascist hypocrite. I'm gonna keep posting and you can keep deleting like the little b!tch you are.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 18, 2023, 03:21:57 pm
Whatever fascist hypocrite. I'm gonna keep posting and you can keep deleting like the little b!tch you are.
You started it dipsh*t.  Can't take your own medicine.  Tough sh*t crap bag.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 18, 2023, 08:55:56 pm
Go change your diaper you dumb baby.
I only delete posts if people that delete mine first.  You fall into that sh*tbag category.  You delete mine in your threads and then have the nerve when I return the favour.  Go f**k yourself loser.  It’s called karma you retarded pig f**ker.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on September 19, 2023, 10:17:01 am
His purchase of twitter made no sense to me until I found out it was largely done with Saudi money. Free speech!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 19, 2023, 10:24:43 am
Black Dog is banned until he stops deleting posts in topics that he started.  Once he agrees to stop that activity, he will be allowed to post again.  It’s a pretty reasonable demand.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on September 19, 2023, 10:59:57 am
Nobody cares.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on September 19, 2023, 02:46:16 pm
Black Dog is banned until he stops deleting posts in topics that he started.  Once he agrees to stop that activity, he will be allowed to post again.  It’s a pretty reasonable demand.

Strange. I looked at his profile, and he was last active 30 minutes ago. Are you sure about that?

As for Elon Musk, I still think he is a piece of garbage, that somehow has the intelligence to make people think he has everything to do with the success of PayPal, SpaceX, and Tesla, when he is arguably hindering their growth.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 19, 2023, 05:17:56 pm
Strange. I looked at his profile, and he was last active 30 minutes ago. Are you sure about that?

As for Elon Musk, I still think he is a piece of garbage, that somehow has the intelligence to make people think he has everything to do with the success of PayPal, SpaceX, and Tesla, when he is arguably hindering their growth.
He’s just banned from my threads.  He’s repeatedly deleted my posts in his threads, and I warned him that if that continues I would retaliate.  So now I’m giving him a bit of his own treatment, and he can’t seem to cope with it.  Like most libtards, when they feel the consequences of their own policies, they can’t take it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 09:59:54 am
All you have to do is agree to not delete posts.  It's fairly simple.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 20, 2023, 10:01:56 am
All you have to do is agree to not delete posts.  It's fairly simple.

Would you say it makes you feel important, deleting posts and claiming ownership over threads?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 10:14:29 am
Would you say it makes you feel important, deleting posts and claiming ownership over threads?
You should be the one answering that question. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 20, 2023, 10:42:34 am
You should be the one answering that question.

Why? I usually delete posts of yours that are extra crap, like your shitty memes or screenshots. The rare actual argument I leave alone. Now it's your turn: how do you square your crying about censorship and fascism when your posts get deleted with your willingness to delete others' posts in a childish form of retaliation?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 10:52:52 am
Why? I usually delete posts of yours that are extra crap, like your shitty memes or screenshots
"Actual" argument is subjective.  You shouldn't be deleting any memes or screenshots.  Those types of posts can be directly related to the subject.  I don't understand why you feel the need to screen posts?  Does it make you feel powerful.  Regardless, you've admitted to deleting my posts, without any kind of warning.  Until you cease and desist that behaviour, your posts will continue to be deleted.  You cannot be allowed to speak freely if you don't allow others to do the same.  Surely you can see how absurd you're being?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 20, 2023, 11:05:44 am
"Actual" argument is subjective.  You shouldn't be deleting any memes or screenshots.  Those types of posts can be directly related to the subject.  I don't understand why you feel the need to screen posts?  Does it make you feel powerful.  Regardless, you've admitted to deleting my posts, without any kind of warning.  Until you cease and desist that behaviour, your posts will continue to be deleted.  You cannot be allowed to speak freely if you don't allow others to do the same.  Surely you can see how absurd you're being?

If censoring your garbage ass posts makes me or squid fascists, then you censoring others makes you a fascist too, how do you not grasp that?

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 11:25:01 am
If censoring your garbage ass posts
What you're not understanding is that "garbage" is subjective.  I find much of what you post to be garbage, but I wouldn't think of deleting it.  The only reason I have now is to teach you a valuable lesson.  But just like most libtards, as soon as you get a taste of your own medicine, you can't stop complaining about it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 20, 2023, 11:29:03 am
What you're not understanding is that "garbage" is subjective. I find much of what you post to be garbage, but I wouldn't think of deleting it.

Yeah and?

Quote
The only reason I have now is to teach you a valuable lesson. But just like most libtards, as soon as you get a taste of your own medicine, you can't stop complaining about it.

The only lesson to be learned here is that you are a giant hypocrite for crying about free speech and then deleting other posts. Whereas I've never said you shouldn't delete my posts because IDGAF. Big difference!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 11:31:06 am
Yeah and?

The only lesson to be learned here is that you are a giant hypocrite for crying about free speech and then deleting other posts. Whereas I've never said you shouldn't delete my posts because IDGAF. Big difference!
I'm not the hypocrite, you are.  To complain about somebody deleting your posts after you've first deleted is beyond hypocrisy, and borderline sociopath.  Cope and seethe numb nuts.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 20, 2023, 11:36:36 am
I'm not the hypocrite, you are.  To complain about somebody deleting your posts after you've first deleted is beyond hypocrisy, and borderline sociopath. Cope and seethe numb nuts.

Again: I'm not complaining about you deleting my posts. I'm pointing out that it's hypocritical for you to do so. Are you honestly too stupid to tell the difference?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 11:40:43 am
Again: I'm not complaining about you deleting my posts. I'm pointing out that it's hypocritical for you to do so. Are you honestly too stupid to tell the difference?
This conversation is over.  Stop deleting posts and you’ll be allowed to post here again.  Until then, fack off.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on September 20, 2023, 12:34:38 pm
X/Twitter... killer!

(https://i.imgur.com/Bs6jzlO.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 12:44:46 pm
X/Twitter... killer!

(https://i.imgur.com/Bs6jzlO.gif)
Fake news buddy.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on September 20, 2023, 01:07:10 pm
You should tell Elon, who absolutely said what he said
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on September 20, 2023, 01:09:52 pm
Fake news buddy.

how so, buddy - how so?

(https://i.imgur.com/U0d14GR.gif)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 01:53:18 pm
how so, buddy - how so?

(https://i.imgur.com/U0d14GR.gif)
Because nothing is official.  It's all hypothetical.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on September 20, 2023, 02:08:20 pm
He said they are "moving" to charging fees, just as was reported. There is no false information. Once again, the only fake news is you.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 02:16:47 pm
He said they are "moving" to charging fees, just as was reported. There is no false information. Once again, the only fake news is you.
Nothing I said was false.  Nothing is official.  Regardless, nobody is forcing anyone to use Twitter/X.  I understand that libtards are adverse to paying for anything, so this might upset up.  But many platforms are moving to this option.  Many people don't like that Netflix has advertising now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: guest18 on September 20, 2023, 02:34:02 pm
Your use of the term "fake news" was in fact fake news because nothing in the reports was false.

And you mean "averse", not "adverse", numbskull.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 20, 2023, 03:02:59 pm
Another reason Shady the pu$$y is deleting my posts here is that I keep showing that X is a haven for Nazis. Steve Sailer, a prominent scientific racist and white supremacist is bragging about how his follower count increased tenfold since Elon took over and thanks Musk personally.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 20, 2023, 03:08:01 pm
Another reason Shady the pu$$y is deleting my posts here is that I keep showing that X is a haven for Nazis.
LOL, you're such a f**king loser.  Your link to a 3 week old Twitter account is tantamount to a "haven" for Nazis.  I'm even happier now that you gave me an excuse to remove your trollish posts.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on September 20, 2023, 03:15:02 pm
LOL, you're such a f**king loser.  Your link to a 3 week old Twitter account is tantamount to a "haven" for Nazis.  I'm even happier now that you gave me an excuse to remove your trollish posts.

How about this one (https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1704455114151567615), pu$$y.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: waldo on October 11, 2023, 12:11:34 pm
CNBC: Europe gives Elon Musk 24 hours to respond about Israel-Hamas war misinformation and violence
Quote
    => Thierry Breton, the European commissioner for the internal market, said in a letter addressed to Musk on Tuesday that his office has “indications” that groups are spreading misinformation and “violent and terrorist” content on X, and urged the billionaire to respond within a 24-hour period.
    => The letter comes after numerous researchers, news organizations and other groups have documented a rise of misleading, false and questionable content on X, creating confusion about the current conflict.
    => Failure to comply with the European regulations around illegal content could result in fines worth 6% of a company’s annual revenue.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8G9Re9XkAAbXPU?format=png)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 21, 2023, 04:02:11 pm
The other day I saw a pair of female n!pples in a photo posted on a twitter account (someone's OnlyFans account promo), it was posted like a month ago too and not taken down.  I guess that's allowed now.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on October 21, 2023, 06:38:07 pm
The other day I saw a female **** photo posted on a twitter account, it was posted like a month ago too and not taken down.  I guess that's allowed now.

What?? Does '****' end in ape?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on October 21, 2023, 06:55:03 pm
Nothing I said was false.  Nothing is official.  Regardless, nobody is forcing anyone to use Twitter/X.  I understand that libtards are adverse to paying for anything, so this might upset up.  But many platforms are moving to this option.  Many people don't like that Netflix has advertising now.

Advertising is one thing but the content on streaming services like Netflix and Spotify are the same whether you pay or not.

Twitter is two completely different experiences for the payer and non-payer. Non payers are effectively shadow banned on their personal posts, they can't respond to posts that are for verified users and they lack features like edit buttons.

It's nothing like the Netflix comparison.

I don't see gen Z (or even millenials) paying for social media, it's just a matter of time before the place fizzles out.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 21, 2023, 09:41:26 pm
What?? Does '****' end in ape?

Sorry, no, thankfully, I edited my original post to reveal the answer.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on October 22, 2023, 12:37:11 am
Oh Queefer! Twitter has full on **** **** pages, from before Musk too. I've accidentally stumbled on some um, really memorable things in the past.

I was thinking what could it have been that you reported it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on November 17, 2023, 01:43:08 pm
I think the comparisons of Elon Musk to the notoriously antisemitic Henry Ford are unfair.

Henry Ford had a wildly successful auto company that produced cars on time, at great profits, and that didn't explode when driven.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on November 17, 2023, 02:04:02 pm
The White House speaks out about Elon Musk's antisemitism:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_Jc33WaQAAScCr?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on November 17, 2023, 02:07:51 pm
An example of just how far Twitter has fallen (NSFW).  This was posted 36 hours ago, and has yet to be removed from the platform.

https://twitter.com/whitedatenet/status/1725095887024644212
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on November 28, 2023, 01:30:04 pm
He's such a weird loser.

Elon Musk Promotes Unhinged Pizzagate Conspiracy Right After Israel Visit (https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-promotes-unhinged-pizzagate-conspiracy-right-after-israel-visit)
Musk is going unhinged.  The shareholders of Tesla must be overjoyed.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on November 28, 2023, 04:30:32 pm
Deleted my post. Thanks for the link BD, I didn’t get the meme but your article explained it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on November 28, 2023, 07:06:28 pm
Musk should stick to what he is good at. Instead of going down as a great innovator who changed the world with his products, he is becoming more likely to be remembered as a crazy RW conspiracy nut. Another Howard Hughes but more dangerous because he has X and the internet to spread his crazy ****.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on November 28, 2023, 07:14:01 pm
What is he good at?

Building electric cars and spacecraft.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on November 28, 2023, 09:00:11 pm
Musk should stick to what he is good at. Instead of going down as a great innovator who changed the world with his products, he is becoming more likely to be remembered as a crazy RW conspiracy nut. Another Howard Hughes but more dangerous because he has X and the internet to spread his crazy ****.

I was thinking the same thing. He is the Howard Hughes of the 21st Century.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 28, 2023, 09:10:19 pm
I apologize but I had to remove some posts in this thread.  Black Dog has resorted to removing my posts in topics he started, so I’ve officially banned him from any of my topics.  Bubber is also banned.  They will be reconsidered January 1st, 2024.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on November 28, 2023, 09:40:03 pm
I apologize but I had to remove some posts in this thread.  Black Dog has resorted to removing my posts in topics he started, so I’ve officially banned him from any of my topics.  Bubber is also banned.  They will be reconsidered January 1st, 2024.

I think with like 5 or 6 regular members on this board, this **** needs to stop. What's the use of posting and creating threads if 20% of the forum can't respond.

Like you I never deleted anyone until it was in retaliation but it's a huge discussion killer. I wonder if JMT can change it. I follow him on twitter I could ask.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 28, 2023, 10:16:22 pm
I think with like 5 or 6 regular members on this board, this **** needs to stop. What's the use of posting and creating threads if 20% of the forum can't respond.

Like you I never deleted anyone until it was in retaliation but it's a huge discussion killer. I wonder if JMT can change it. I follow him on twitter I could ask.
Exactly.  I don’t know why some people feel the need to delete posts, but maybe the system can be changed at some point. 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 29, 2023, 08:50:43 pm
Musk to advertisers: Go f**k yourself.
https://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ?si=fRpbOv5kE_MHJM_y

That was his response to some advertisers trying to silence him, blackmail him as “antisemitic” for comments on Israel/Palestine.  Good for him! 👍👍👍
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on November 29, 2023, 10:36:17 pm
Musk to advertisers: Go f**k yourself.
https://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ?si=fRpbOv5kE_MHJM_y

That was his response to some advertisers trying to silence him, blackmail him as “antisemitic” for comments on Israel/Palestine.  Good for him! 👍👍👍

Elon needs psychiatric help.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 01, 2023, 03:36:40 pm
Elon needs psychiatric help.
That might indeed be true, but he's on the correct side of the issue.  You need to stop letting somebody's personal distastefulness determine which sides of issues you come down on.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 04, 2023, 09:26:20 am
Neuralink to begin human trials.  Apparently it will allow paraplegics to operate a computer, etc, faster than somebody with a full functioning body.  It will also potentially allow for people that can't see, full or partial sight.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-neuralink-start-human-trials-brain-implant-2023-09-19/
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on December 04, 2023, 09:54:16 am
I think with like 5 or 6 regular members on this board, this **** needs to stop. What's the use of posting and creating threads if 20% of the forum can't respond.

Like you I never deleted anyone until it was in retaliation but it's a huge discussion killer. I wonder if JMT can change it. I follow him on twitter I could ask.

My own opinion is OP's should only be able to delete their entire threads including their own posts instead of individual posts. Refraining from personal insults would also be very helpful.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on December 24, 2023, 12:50:19 am
2023 will be the year that Elon Musk goes broke and loses his mind.

Well I was 1 for 2.

He isn't broke, but it can be argued that he has lost his mind lol.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on February 18, 2024, 08:33:12 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGqlWelXcAI-TQf?format=jpg&name=small)

Elon Musk, the free speech "absolutist," banned another Twitter account that made fun of him.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 18, 2024, 08:41:04 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGqlWelXcAI-TQf?format=jpg&name=small)

Elon Musk, the free speech "absolutist," banned another Twitter account that made fun of him.
He’s never said he was a free speech absolutist, and no he didn’t.  Regardless, Twitter/X is much freer for speech than it was.  That’s a fact Jack!
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Bubbermiley on February 18, 2024, 08:50:47 pm
And the bots have obliterated any meaningful dialogue that may have once existed.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 18, 2024, 08:53:48 pm
And the bots have obliterated any meaningful dialogue that may have once existed.
Bots are less of a problem now than before.  You’re not on X, so stop pretending you know what’s going on.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Bubbermiley on February 18, 2024, 08:57:45 pm
Why would you think I don't have a Twitter account?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on February 18, 2024, 09:01:35 pm
Twitter has definitely gone downhill since Musk purchased it.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 18, 2024, 09:07:35 pm
Twitter has definitely gone downhill since Musk purchased it.
Sorry Coolio but you’re wrong about that.  Btw, I can go on X right now and read all kinds of negative comments about Elon Musk.  Some days old, some months old, some years old.  Regardless, there’s much less censorship on C than before, particularly censorship carried out with government oversight, which was an abomination.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on February 18, 2024, 09:17:06 pm
Sorry Coolio but you’re wrong about that.  Btw, I can go on X right now and read all kinds of negative comments about Elon Musk.  Some days old, some months old, some years old.  Regardless, there’s much less censorship on C than before, particularly censorship carried out with government oversight, which was an abomination.

That's simply not true.

India and Turkey have both asked Elon Musk to censor dissenting voices in their respective countries. Musk granted their wishes. Before Musk, this never happened. There has been numerous cases of Musk banning journalist accounts that are critical of him.  This is no big secret either. It's common knowledge.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: BC_cheque on February 18, 2024, 10:26:30 pm
He’s never said he was a free speech absolutist, and no he didn’t.  Regardless, Twitter/X is much freer for speech than it was.  That’s a fact Jack!

It’s also a steaming pile of poo compared to what it once was. Monetization has changed content and everyone is impression farming with unrelated posts under viral posts. People who don’t pay for the blue tick effectively are shadow banned to anyone who doesn’t follow them.

It’s the same interface but the experience is completely different and for the worse.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on February 19, 2024, 02:37:51 am
He’s never said he was a free speech absolutist, and no he didn’t.  Regardless, Twitter/X is much freer for speech than it was.  That’s a fact Jack!



https://www.npr.org/2022/10/08/1127689351/elon-musk-calls-himself-a-free-speech-absolutist-what-could-twitter-look-like-un
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Bubbermiley on February 19, 2024, 06:42:38 am
You’re not on X, so stop pretending you know what’s going on.

If you haven't noticed the total deterioration of that platform, you're either not on it yourself or you're a completely oblivious idiot.
And I have no reason to doubt you have a twitter account. 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 19, 2024, 10:22:34 pm


https://www.npr.org/2022/10/08/1127689351/elon-musk-calls-himself-a-free-speech-absolutist-what-could-twitter-look-like-un

That article says he's a free speech absolutist, but doesn't actually quote him saying he is.  He is for free speech, but he says twitter policy would follow what the laws of the jurisdiction are in a given country.  Honestly I think it might work best that way because otherwise repressive regimes like China would just ban the site altogether.

It's dumb because anyone can easily get a VPN.  The internet means countries like North Korea and China can't control the information their population is exposed to like before.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Coolio on February 20, 2024, 01:15:00 am
That article says he's a free speech absolutist, but doesn't actually quote him saying he is.  He is for free speech, but he says twitter policy would follow what the laws of the jurisdiction are in a given country.  Honestly I think it might work best that way because otherwise repressive regimes like China would just ban the site altogether.

Musk has also done favours for Turkey and India, who requested Musk censor Tweets critical of their respective regimes, running up to their elections. Musk also has repeatedly banned social media influencers or journalists critical of him.  To say he is for free speech is not entirely true.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Bubbermiley on February 20, 2024, 03:13:11 pm
While it has degraded, there is still some worthwhile content on twitter.
https://twitter.com/tadhgfleming_/status/1759875013069378021?t=SmCnmm1-KUwd1TWgV0S8Tw&s=19
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 20, 2024, 03:19:24 pm
Musk has also done favours for Turkey and India, who requested Musk censor Tweets critical of their respective regimes, running up to their elections. Musk also has repeatedly banned social media influencers or journalists critical of him.  To say he is for free speech is not entirely true.
The previous regime did favours for those countries plus others.  Like I’ve said, it’s not perfect and he’s not perfect.    But it’s much better than it was.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on February 20, 2024, 03:22:38 pm
The previous regime did favours for those countries plus others.  Like I’ve said, it’s not perfect and he’s not perfect.    But it’s much better than it was.

If you're really into p0rn bots and dropshipping ads, sure.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 24, 2024, 12:59:01 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GG80gKlbUAA9Kaf?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 24, 2024, 10:45:17 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GG80gKlbUAA9Kaf?format=jpg&name=small)
Let me guess, this must be from the new Google AI!  😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on March 07, 2024, 05:10:01 pm
They're calling him "the most divorced man in history."

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/web-archive-org-web-20240307040716-77868421.jpg?w=512)

Oh and he's also a fuckin Nazi (https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:222rnvnta2lbl364bog2plxw/bafkreidup7zlkrqid3sosdywtx63vimwynpjodrdmnpclkvkkiy65v2z3q@jpeg).
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on March 07, 2024, 11:30:20 pm

Oh and he's also a fuckin Nazi (https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:222rnvnta2lbl364bog2plxw/bafkreidup7zlkrqid3sosdywtx63vimwynpjodrdmnpclkvkkiy65v2z3q@jpeg).

What does the tweet mean?  Who are they giving it away to?  Immigrants?
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on March 08, 2024, 10:18:19 am
What does the tweet mean?  Who are they giving it away to?  Immigrants?

Yes.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: JessiWan on March 12, 2024, 10:37:18 pm
For all you who think Musk is some kind of champion for free speech: you are rejoicing too early.  He just handed control over to the ADL.

Musk re-tweeted a few antisemitic tweets because he is trying to contain those people on his X.  He wants the real antisemites to think he's one of them.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 14, 2024, 07:55:26 am
Everyone was wondering why Elon cut his interview with Don Lemon short. UK paper says it was that they asked him about his ketamin issues?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/10774258/don-lemon-elon-musk-cnn-show-fired-ketamine-interview/
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Bubbermiley on March 14, 2024, 08:59:45 am
Free speech absolutist. 😂
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 14, 2024, 10:03:40 am
I had a friend basically die from Ketamine

Hope he's ok.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on March 14, 2024, 10:43:57 am
Everyone was wondering why Elon cut his interview with Don Lemon short. UK paper says it was that they asked him about his ketamin issues?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/10774258/don-lemon-elon-musk-cnn-show-fired-ketamine-interview/

According to Lemon was about several things and that was one of them. Lemon asked Musk about his own statements concerning his ketamine use and Musk didn't like it. He also didn't like it when Lemon asked him why he didn't feel some responsibility for the extremist views including his own supporting of  the replacement theory.

What do you expect from a white South African immigrant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

This kind of stuff isn't new.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on March 14, 2024, 11:54:49 am
Elon is control freak with an oversized ego.  Can see an abusive personality in him a mile away.   I'm sure he's not used to people challenging him.

Is there footage of the interview?  Don Lemon is so annoying
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on March 14, 2024, 12:03:04 pm
Elon is control freak with an oversized ego.  Can see an abusive personality in him a mile away.   I'm sure he's not used to people challenging him.

Is there footage of the interview?  Don Lemon is so annoying

He sure annoyed Musk, I guess he doesn't like his own words coming back at him. I'm not on X but I think it should be there. I was channel surfing and there he was on Erin Burnett so I stopped and listened for awhile. This was all news to me.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on March 14, 2024, 12:26:10 pm
He sure annoyed Musk, I guess he doesn't like his own words coming back at him. I'm not on X but I think it should be there. I was channel surfing and there he was on Erin Burnett so I stopped and listened for awhile. This was all news to me.

Ok i watched it.  On X.

Have to admit Don is a little bit dumb to get hired by a company, then interview the company's boss and go after him with a bunch of uncomfortable questions, then complain when he fires you LOL and complain about "free speech" when people like this wanted Trump taken off Twitter.

I think both these guys are buffoons.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: wilber on March 14, 2024, 12:32:29 pm
Ok i watched it.  On X.

Have to admit Don is a little bit dumb to get hired by a company, then interview the company's boss and go after him with a bunch of uncomfortable questions, then complain when he fires you LOL and complain about "free speech" when people like this wanted Trump taken off Twitter.

I think both these guys are buffoons.

Depends what you want in an interview. Did Musk expect a Carlson, Putin suck up session with a few softballs thrown his way? If he didn't know what to expect from Lemon, he's an idiot who thinks Lemon works for him.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on March 19, 2024, 09:48:54 am
He's a babbling wreck  (https://x.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1769921371679690936?s=20)in that interview. Ketamine is gonna get him.

Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 19, 2024, 09:56:08 am
He's a babbling wreck  (https://x.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1769921371679690936?s=20)in that interview. Ketamine is gonna get him.

My good friend Lisa.  Sharp as a tack, witty, motivated and productive.  Active in the arts and a top notch waiter in a high end restaurant.  Started with K and her bad-hippy side got more and more prevalent, railing against the man, patriarachy, big pharma... see the overlap with the convoy people yet ?  she descended and couldn't make her rent... and in a moment of non-clarity listened to the goddess within who told her to spend the money she had on scratch-and-wins.  She passed away years ago now from her own actions... took her own life.

I have no patience for hard drugs or avoiding tough actions.  These drugs make you anti-life.  I have others, too, addicted to opiods now and in big trouble with the law.   

If Musk is so arrogant as to think he's not susceptible then he's done for and all of his accumulated fortune/luck is dirt on his coffin. 

 
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 19, 2024, 11:15:54 am
Depends what you want in an interview. Did Musk expect a Carlson, Putin suck up session with a few softballs thrown his way? If he didn't know what to expect from Lemon, he's an idiot who thinks Lemon works for him.
Don Lemon had a list of demands that were ridiculous.  He wanted an $8 million dollar per year salary, free Telsa Truck, etc.  There was never a written agreement, and Musk decided not to pursue one.  It's a non story.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on March 19, 2024, 11:39:13 am
Don Lemon had a list of demands that were ridiculous.  He wanted an $8 million dollar per year salary, free Telsa Truck, etc.  There was never a written agreement, and Musk decided not to pursue one.  It's a non story.

Except he did the interview anyway and only balked when it made him look bad, but dickriders gonna dickride.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 19, 2024, 11:52:23 am
Except he did the interview anyway and only balked when it made him look bad, but dickriders gonna dickride.
How did it make him look bad?  Jesus dude, you’re f** king obsessed with Elon Musk.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Black Dog on March 19, 2024, 12:15:32 pm
How did it make him look bad?

Did you watch the interview? He's a stammering, incoherent, thin-skinned, drug-addled mess.

Quote
Jesus dude, you’re f** king obsessed with Elon Musk.

You started this thread about him and ride his dick at every opportunity and I'm obsessed? LOl get a grip fucko.
Title: Re: Elon Musk
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on March 19, 2024, 04:27:33 pm
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/svh0TmTmeV8AAAAd/trump-musk.gif)