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Title: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on January 27, 2022, 12:39:34 pm
I figured I'd start a thread related to Ron DeSantis, since his political stock has risen so significantly in the last couple of years.  He might be an automatic lock for the Republican nomination, and probably beats any Democrat soundly.

The numbers show Ron DeSantis' stock is rising
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/17/politics/ron-desantis-analysis/index.html
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on January 27, 2022, 02:43:58 pm
A somnambulant Donald Trump will absolutely run roughshod on the field of halfwits the GOP pukes up in 2024.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on January 27, 2022, 02:57:16 pm
Every Republican is like a kids' TV host showing cartoons... there's no reality there

I'm not going to talk about the Democrats who are like the Bizarroworld version of the Canadian Liberals - failing and losing at every turn ...

But Republicans are involved in pure politics only...
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on January 28, 2022, 09:17:40 am
Ron DeathSantis may be getting attention, but I wouldn't write him in as a viable candidate just yet...

In general, moderate politicians have an advantage over candidate seen as "extreme". (Its not an "always win" situation, but statistically a candidate closer to the center does better). Deathsantis may be a "darling" of the GOP, but his tenure in Florida has shown him to be a far right wing-nut, perhaps able to win the republican primary, but one whom many middle-of-the-road voters will see as too polarizing.

Oh, and I'll just put this out there:

From: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/591590-biden-leading-trump-desantis-by-similar-margins-in-new-poll
...Biden is leading former President Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) in two hypothetical, head-to-head match-ups for the 2024 presidential election...

Remember, he's the republican who won the Florida gov. election by less than 40,000 votes. I think more republicans than democrats have died (because "Mah Freedum!!!") since then. And dead people don't vote.



Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on January 28, 2022, 10:15:02 am
Every Republican is like a kids' TV host showing cartoons... there's no reality there

They're all doing this weird kayfabe where they try to out-Trump Trump but none of them have the juice. It's quite sad actually.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on January 28, 2022, 10:28:41 am
They're all doing this weird kayfabe where they try to out-Trump Trump but none of them have the juice. It's quite sad actually.
Nobody is trying to out Trump Trump, whatever that means.  DeSantis is popular because he’s done a great job as governor.  However, Branch Covidians won’t like him, because he acknowledges fundamental rights, and limits to the government’s authority over people’s bodies.  Concepts that are completely foreign to people like you.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on January 28, 2022, 10:36:39 am
Nobody is trying to out Trump Trump, whatever that means.  DeSantis is popular because he’s done a great job as governor.  However, Branch Covidians won’t like him, because he acknowledges fundamental rights, and limits to the government’s authority over people’s bodies.  Concepts that are completely foreign to people like you.

Stupid and dishonest is no way to go through life, son.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs restrictive voting bill
 (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/06/politics/desantis-signs-florida-bill-voting-restrictions/index.html)

Ron DeSantis backs proposed post-15-week abortion ban with no r*pe or incest exemption
 (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ron-desantis-florida-abortion-bill-b1991824.html)

In push against ‘indoctrination,’ DeSantis mandates surveys of Florida college students’ beliefs
 (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/06/24/florida-intellectual-freedom-law-mandates-viewpoint-surveys)

Eight Times Ron DeSantis "Accidentally" Did Racist Stuff (https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/eight-times-ron-desantis-did-racist-stuff-by-accident-10687534)


Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on January 28, 2022, 11:04:19 am
Stupid and dishonest is no way to go through life, son.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs restrictive voting bill
 (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/06/politics/desantis-signs-florida-bill-voting-restrictions/index.html)

Ron DeSantis backs proposed post-15-week abortion ban with no r*pe or incest exemption
 (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ron-desantis-florida-abortion-bill-b1991824.html)

In push against ‘indoctrination,’ DeSantis mandates surveys of Florida college students’ beliefs
 (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/06/24/florida-intellectual-freedom-law-mandates-viewpoint-surveys)

Eight Times Ron DeSantis "Accidentally" Did Racist Stuff (https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/eight-times-ron-desantis-did-racist-stuff-by-accident-10687534)
That’s all been debunked, especially the so-called college surveys.  You’re a fool for believing this crap!  Also, voting is Florida is much less restrictive than in states like Delaware, New Jersey, New York etc.  But you idiots don’t care.  You idiots think they needing some kind of identification to vote is restrictive.  It’s not.  And the vast majority agree in polls that have been taken.  The 15 weeks bill is based on science.  Follow the science, doesn’t mean pick and choose.  My body my choice, except for chemicals injected into your body, then you have no say huh?  You’re all hypocrites.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on January 28, 2022, 11:42:58 am
That’s all been debunked, especially the so-called college surveys. 

Saying so doesn't make it so.

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You’re a fool for believing this crap!  Also, voting is Florida is much less restrictive than in states like Delaware, New Jersey, New York etc.  But you idiots don’t care.

Cite required.

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You idiots think they needing some kind of identification to vote is restrictive.  It’s not.


Of course you misrepresent the issue. Because you're stupid.

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And the vast majority agree in polls that have been taken. 

So what?

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The 15 weeks bill is based on science.  Follow the science, doesn’t mean pick and choose. 

What science?

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My body my choice, except for chemicals injected into your body, then you have no say huh? 

Good thing noone is being forced to have chemicals injected into their bodies.

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You’re all hypocrites.

LOL you know that if supporting abortion rights on the basis of bodily autonomy while being in favour of vaccine mandates makes me a hypocrite, supporting abortion restrictions and opposing vaccine mandates on the basis of bodily autonomy make you a hypocrite too, right? Idiot.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on January 28, 2022, 12:24:48 pm
Saying so doesn't make it so.

Cite required.
 

Of course you misrepresent the issue. Because you're stupid.

So what?

What science?

Good thing noone is being forced to have chemicals injected into their bodies.

LOL you know that if supporting abortion rights on the basis of bodily autonomy while being in favour of vaccine mandates makes me a hypocrite, supporting abortion restrictions and opposing vaccine mandates on the basis of bodily autonomy make you a hypocrite too, right? Idiot.
You post so much misinformation that it's difficult to have the time to debunk it all.

But even once the GOP-passed measure takes effect, Georgia citizens will still have far more opportunities to vote before Election Day than their counterparts in the president’s home state

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Delaware isn’t an anomaly among Democratic strongholds, and its example presents the president’s party with an uncomfortable reminder: Although Democrats like to call out Republicans for trying to suppress voting, the states they control in the Northeast make casting a ballot more difficult than anywhere else.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/04/democrats-voting-rights-contradiction/618599/

Stop posting misinformation.  Florida's voting rules are far less restrictive than most blue states.  But it gives Democrats and their supporters a chance to yell racism over and over.  You're just parroting the same tired false talking points.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on January 28, 2022, 12:49:51 pm
You post so much misinformation that it's difficult to have the time to debunk it all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/04/democrats-voting-rights-contradiction/618599/

Stop posting misinformation.  Florida's voting rules are far less restrictive than most blue states.  But it gives Democrats and their supporters a chance to yell racism over and over.  You're just parroting the same tired false talking points.  Congratulations.

From the link:

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In Congress, Democrats are prioritizing legislation called the For the People Act, or H.R. 1, which seeks to curb GOP efforts to suppress voting. The bill would set national standards to loosen photo-ID requirements, guarantee early-voting and voting-by-mail options, and mandate automatic and same-day registration. Although Democrats have focused on how the bill would rein in red states, H.R. 1 would hit some blue states just as hard, if not harder.

Republicans love to call out Democratic sanctimony in the debate over voting laws, but this ignores the divergent directions the two parties are headed. Following their 2020 defeat and under pressure from Donald Trump allies, Republicans are pushing to restrict voting in states such as Texas, Iowa, Arizona, and Florida, which have recently been competitive. The Georgia law tightens ID requirements for absentee ballots and caps the number of drop boxes where they can be deposited. The measure also limits who can distribute water to voters waiting in line outside polling places. The effect of the bill is likely to make voting easier in Republican strongholds—by expanding early voting in rural areas, for example—but harder in Democratic urban centers, where lines at polling places tend to be longer and where voting by mail was more popular last year.

Democrats in charge of blue states are now racing to expand access in a way that matches the party’s rhetoric nationwide.
In some cases, they’re trying to make permanent the temporary changes to voting laws that were put in place because of the pandemic. Delaware, for example, removed the mandate that voters cite a reason for casting an absentee ballot. Making the reform permanent requires the passage of an amendment to the state constitution, and Republicans who supported that proposal in the past are balking now, threatening its adoption.

Another self-inflicted Shady L, you simply love to see it.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: waldo on January 28, 2022, 12:54:51 pm
c'mon Shady - the cat's been outa-the-bag for a while now!

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 13, 2022, 03:34:07 pm
DeSantis gettin' s**t done!  He's building a significant resume.  Future POTUS?


DeSantis Signs Bill Allocating $70 Million to Support Involved Fatherhood in Florida

HB 7065, dubbed the “Responsible Fatherhood” bill, aims to encourage fathers to take an active role in their children’s lives and provides grants to community-based membership programming.

It will help fund resources for educational and mentorship programs to assist children, fathers, and families in Florida through the Department of Juvenile Justice (DJJ) and the Department of Children and Families (DCF).


https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-signs-bill-allocating-70-224559445.html
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 13, 2022, 03:40:35 pm
Saying Disney is a company of paedophile groomers will kill his political career. Only far-right wackos will ever take him seriously now (case in point).
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 13, 2022, 03:42:12 pm
Saying Disney is a company of paedophile groomers will kill his political career. Only far-right wackos will ever take him seriously now (case in point).
Luckily he's never said that.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 13, 2022, 03:49:28 pm
Saying Disney is a company of paedophile groomers will kill his political career. Only far-right wackos will ever take him seriously now (case in point).

Huh ?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 13, 2022, 04:50:30 pm
Luckily he's never said that.

Oh yeah for sure man.  (https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5q9vx/child-grooming-lgbtq-smear)

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“The bill that liberals inaccurately call 'Don't Say Gay' would be more accurately described as an Anti-Grooming Bill,” DeSantis Press Secretary Christina Pushaw tweeted in March. “​​If you’re against the Anti-Grooming Bill, you are probably a groomer or at least you don’t denounce the grooming of 4-8 year old children.”


Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 13, 2022, 05:21:16 pm
It's not like teachers are actually talking about these things to any extent. It's just made-up BS to fuel the culture war and play on the emotions of people too stupid to see through it 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 13, 2022, 05:25:38 pm
It's not like teachers are actually talking about these things to any extent. It's just made-up BS to fuel the culture war and play on the emotions of people too stupid to see through it

Sure but that's never stopped them before. Remember the Satanic Panic? Same sh*t, different day.

Hell they just had a big hissy over "critical race theory" which turned out to be "anything that might make a white person sad".
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 18, 2022, 08:26:34 am
Republicans in Texas are blocking the supply chain in a political stunt. In Florida, they're blocking access to Disney World. It doesn't seem like a winning election strategy, but I guess they don't intend on using elections to get power anymore.
https://twitter.com/kendallybrown/status/1515450580931600387?t=kIoT0r5tgU1pvPrgoI0nxA&s=19 up
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 18, 2022, 09:50:53 am
Republicans in Texas are blocking the supply chain in a political stunt. In Florida, they're blocking access to Disney World. It doesn't seem like a winning election strategy, but I guess they don't intend on using elections to get power anymore.
https://twitter.com/kendallybrown/status/1515450580931600387?t=kIoT0r5tgU1pvPrgoI0nxA&s=19 up
You’ve been fooled by BlueAnon again!  😂😂😂
This one is worse than the fake “racists” campaigning for Gov.  Youngkin in Virginia.

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 18, 2022, 11:07:14 am
You're trying to pretend that's not you?
Sure looks like you.
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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 21, 2022, 05:55:07 pm
People who actually understand the constitutional protection for free speech and believe in it must be up in arms over Florida's government punishing Disney for stating its opposition to Florida's homophobic bill.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 21, 2022, 09:27:14 pm
People who actually understand the constitutional protection for free speech and believe in it must be up in arms over Florida's government punishing Disney for stating its opposition to Florida's homophobic bill.
Lol, how are they being “punished”?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 21, 2022, 11:06:22 pm
The sudden removal of their self-governing status, obviously.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 08:19:53 am
The sudden removal of their self-governing status, obviously.
So Disney not getting it's special status, status that no other business enjoys, a special status granted to them by the government is being punished?  They enjoyed a privilege, a very significant privilege, not a right.  I guess they should have been smarter than to dive in neck deep into partisan politics.  Which other corporations do you think have a right to special status?  Just wondering.  I know you already think that Twitter and Facebook are entitled to the special exemptions under the law that the federal government grants them.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 22, 2022, 08:40:21 am
So sad that corporations themselves now are seen as symbols of right/left ... as it exists today.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 22, 2022, 08:58:42 am
I don't care if they deserved special status or not. The government removing it because of their speech is what it is.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 09:00:18 am
So sad that corporations themselves now are seen as symbols of right/left ... as it exists today.
True, but it's corporations that did that to themselves by wading into politics, usually woke politics.  In Disney's case, they sought it their business to get involved in what sexual material should be taught to 5 year olds.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 09:01:40 am
I don't care if they deserved special status or not. The government removing it because of their speech is what it is.
They decided to get involved in partisan politics.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 22, 2022, 09:22:45 am
They decided to get involved in partisan politics.
Expressing your opinion without fear of retribution from the government is what free speech is about, not freedom to spew racist lies on a private company's platform
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 09:36:25 am
Expressing your opinion without fear of retribution from the government is what free speech is about, not freedom to spew racist lies on a private company's platform
Unfortunately for Disney they did much more than just express opinions. 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 22, 2022, 09:39:01 am
Like what?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 10:26:25 am
So Disney not getting it's special status, status that no other business enjoys, a special status granted to them by the government is being punished?  They enjoyed a privilege, a very significant privilege, not a right.  I guess they should have been smarter than to dive in neck deep into partisan politics.  Which other corporations do you think have a right to special status?  Just wondering.  I know you already think that Twitter and Facebook are entitled to the special exemptions under the law that the federal government grants them.

This move by DeSantis gives Disney a $163 million per year tax break passes $1 billion of debt onto Florida taxpayers. That'll teach 'em.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 10:28:07 am
They decided to get involved in partisan politics.

Like this?

Ron DeSantis Took $100,000 From Disney Before 'Don't Say Gay' War (https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-pac-disney-contributions-1699788)

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Records in the Florida Department of State's campaign finance database showed that Disney Worldwide Services, Inc. made four contributions to the Friends of Ron DeSantis PAC from May 2019 to March 2021 for a total of $106,809.38. Those same four donations were shown in contribution records on the PAC's website.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 10:36:10 am
Like this?

Ron DeSantis Took $100,000 From Disney Before 'Don't Say Gay' War (https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-pac-disney-contributions-1699788)
Disney donates to Republicans and Democrats.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 10:42:38 am
Disney donates to Republicans and Democrats.

You're clearly too stupid to understand the point.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 10:46:04 am
You're clearly too stupid to understand the point.
That’s not partisan politics like publicly mischaracterizing legislation, lying and publicly releasing statements denouncing it.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 22, 2022, 10:54:22 am
That’s not partisan politics like publicly mischaracterizing legislation, lying and publicly releasing statements denouncing it.
So you have nothing besides them exercising their right to free speech. You're really bad at this.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 11:01:24 am
That’s not partisan politics like publicly mischaracterizing legislation, lying and publicly releasing statements denouncing it.

It's literally partisan politics, dipshit.

Right wingers: corporations are people and money is speech and this is in the constitution
Also right wingers: the mean company we took money from told the truth about our hate bill and must be destroyed
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 11:40:24 am
So you have nothing besides them exercising their right to free speech. You're really bad at this.
If a company decides to enter the political arena, pushing a radical progressive legislative agenda, then there will be an equal and opposite political reaction. 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 11:53:17 am
If a company decides to enter the political arena, pushing a radical progressive legislative agenda, then there will be an equal and opposite political reaction.

Disney wasn't pushing any legislative agenda, they were simply responding to the creeping fascism of the culture warriors, but this is a great example of how, in your alternate reality, the right has no agency.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 22, 2022, 12:07:13 pm
Disney wasn't pushing any legislative agenda, they were simply responding to the creeping fascism of the culture warriors, but this is a great example of how, in your alternate reality, the right has no agency.
Incorrect.  They purposely inserted themselves right in the middle of a ongoing legislative process, and slandered, and mischaracterized the proposed legislation and the supporters of it.  Just like you hope that the Trudeau truck tax is real, I’m hoping this legislation gets signed into law.  It’s poetic justice.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 22, 2022, 12:24:39 pm
.  It’s poetic justice.
I agree  it's wonderful watching the Republicans fight this traditionally conservative organization and destroy themselves in the process. Beautiful poetic justice  But it's also an obvious attack on free speech, unlike Twitter's actions as a private company.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 12:45:58 pm
Incorrect.  They purposely inserted themselves right in the middle of a ongoing legislative process, and slandered, and mischaracterized the proposed legislation and the supporters of it. 

They didn't do that but it would have been cooler if they did. It's also pretty funny that you're whining about the legislation being mischaracterized when I had to take you to school on what was actually in it since you didn't know that it doesn't ban talking about sex or that it doesn't include standards for age-appropriate content.

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Just like you hope that the Trudeau truck tax is real, I’m hoping this legislation gets signed into law.  It’s poetic justice.

See, it just goes to show how ignorant you are that you are unaware that this bigot bill has already been passed and signed.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 12:48:25 pm
It agree  it's wonderful watching the Republicans fight this traditionally conservative organization and destroy themselves in the process. Beautiful poetic justice  But it's also an obvious attack on free speech, unlike Twitter's actions as a private company.

I can't think of a more perfect distillation of the modern conservative movement than a bunch of rabid bigots "punishing" a woke corporation by giving them a massive tax cut.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 22, 2022, 04:01:58 pm
Trumpers understand free speech so poorly their defence against it is that the speech was "partisan". These are grown adults who can presumably feed themselves and wipe their own bums.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 22, 2022, 04:38:11 pm
Trumpers understand free speech so poorly their defence against it is that the speech was "partisan". These are grown adults who can presumably feed themselves and wipe their own bums.

IDK having a corporation run its own fiefdom where they don't pay taxes is weird, but so is being a raging homophobe so the best solution is:

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 23, 2022, 11:33:55 am
Libtards seem to be very upset that a corporation can no longer act as it’s own country and will actually have to pay taxes now!  All over their continued demented obsession of insisting that 5 year olds are taught sex and sexuality. 

Do you people hear yourselves?  Do you not understand how ridiculous you’ve become?  Wow.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: waldo on April 23, 2022, 01:20:03 pm
Libtards seem to be very upset that a corporation can no longer act as it’s own country and will actually have to pay taxes now!

the waldo reads that Disney taxed itself to the tune of ~50 million/year... to service debt obligations... {bond} debt @ ~$1 billion that will, apparently, transfer to related county local governments. Again, as the waldo reads, independent analysis suggests homeowners in the 2 related counties could see property taxes jump by 20% to make up the difference previously covered by Disney... notwithstanding the fact Disney covered building and maintaining municipal services like electricity, water and roads, and providing police and fire protection for the ~40 square miles it 'governed over' - obligations that will also now transfer to the 2 related local counties.

All over their continued demented obsession of insisting that 5 year olds are taught sex and sexuality.

Do you people hear yourselves?  Do you not understand how ridiculous you’ve become?  Wow.

by the by, Disney initially caught the ire of the Governor when it spoke out against his policies on COVID vaccines and masking. As the waldo reads, this latest 'dust-up' was caused by Disney speaking out against the Desantis so-called "Don't say Gay" bill... what DeSantis labelled as, "Disney embracing woke viewpoints."

for completeness the waldo offers a summary account of the Desantis bill/law in question, a facet of which:
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prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through third grade, or in older grades in "a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate."

hey Retro, is that what you refer to, as you stated, "teaching sex & sexuality to 5-year olds"?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 23, 2022, 05:27:03 pm
Libtards seem to be very upset that a corporation can no longer act as it’s own country and will actually have to pay taxes now!  All over their continued demented obsession of insisting that 5 year olds are taught sex and sexuality. 

Do you people hear yourselves?  Do you not understand how ridiculous you’ve become?  Wow.

The problem with you being stupid isn't just that you're stupid, it's that you're so stupid you think everyone else is too. Retroactive abortion is really the only way to fix you.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 23, 2022, 08:00:04 pm
Libtards seem to be very upset that a corporation can no longer act as it’s own country and will actually have to pay taxes now!  All over their continued demented obsession of insisting that 5 year olds are taught sex and sexuality. 

Do you people hear yourselves?  Do you not understand how ridiculous you’ve become?  Wow.
I am very much opposed to conservative corporations like Disney and am glad to see them suffer, but DeSantis is clearly engaging in retribution for their disagreement over his policy and that is an attack on free speech.
We always knew you never understood what free speech is. You hide behind your own stupidity and it's hilarious.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 23, 2022, 08:30:26 pm
😂😂😂

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 23, 2022, 08:34:43 pm
Libtards are now actively supporting oligarchy.  A corporation, who’s headquarters is in another state, seeks to overturn legislation enacted by a duly elected governor and representatives.  Fighting for the oligarchy to own the conservatives!  That’s something I definitely wasn’t expecting! 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 23, 2022, 08:39:37 pm
Funny you never mentioned it before. It's like you didn't care until last week.
But I am completely in favour of burning Disney to the ground. But not in retaliation for their speech.
That's because I understand iwhat free speech is. And you still haven't a clue.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 23, 2022, 08:44:41 pm
Funny you never mentioned it before. It's like you didn't care until last week.
But I am completely in favour of burning Disney to the ground. But not in retaliation for their speech.
That's because I understand iwhat free speech is. And you still haven't a clue.
No, it’s you that doesn’t understand free speech.  It’s funny that you’re in favour of burning Disney to the ground, for no particular reason, just because you feel like it.  Ok then.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 23, 2022, 08:51:15 pm
Libtards are now actively supporting oligarchy. 

I thought they banned lead paint but you must be eating it by the gallon.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 23, 2022, 08:55:52 pm
I thought they banned lead paint but you must be eating it by the gallon.
You still alive??  That’s a shame.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 23, 2022, 08:59:34 pm
No, it’s you that doesn’t understand free speech.  It’s funny that you’re in favour of burning Disney to the ground, for no particular reason, just because you feel like it.  Ok then.
I guess I'm triggered by the MAGA "Bring Ammo" shirts that call Disney "groomers".
Use your words to explain how I don’t understand free speech and how this isn't a textbook violation. It will be hilarious watching you try to pretend you know what you're talking about.

I have a feeling you aren't brave enough to try.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 23, 2022, 08:59:47 pm
I avoid following GOP politics like the plague because they are the biggest morons in the western world, but this DeSantis guy seems like he fits right in to the GOP Jerry springer circus show.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 23, 2022, 09:01:10 pm
I guess I'm triggered by the MAGA "Bring Ammo" shirts that call Disney "groomers".
Use your words to explain how I don’t understand free speech and how this isn't a textbook violation. It will be hilarious watching you try to pretend you know what you're talking about.

I have a feeling you aren't brave enough to try.
Corporations don’t have any right to special tax exemptions.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 23, 2022, 09:02:53 pm
I avoid following GOP politics like the plague because they are the biggest morons in the western world, but this DeSantis guy seems like he fits right in to the GOP Jerry springer circus show.
It’s ok that you’re clueless.  It’s not your fault.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 23, 2022, 09:17:51 pm
Even you aren't stupid enough to believe it wasn't retaliatory.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 23, 2022, 10:21:32 pm
Even you aren't stupid enough to believe it wasn't retaliatory.
Nothing that was done is unconstitutional.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on April 24, 2022, 12:26:04 am
It’s ok that you’re clueless.  It’s not your fault.

The GOP is like the de facto confederacy that never died.  Bunch of ignorant racist knuckle-dragging backwoods hicks.  And Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 24, 2022, 12:32:02 am
Nothing that was done is unconstitutional.
They have you believing it wasn't retaliatory? Oooh. That's a question you are incapable of ever answeing. You just can't win. Lol
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 24, 2022, 10:42:06 am
You still alive??  That’s a shame.

LOL, I love how hard you cried about being told to KYS and insulted and look at you now, recycling other people's content because you've been completely owned on this topic again and again and again.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 05:48:23 pm
The GOP is like the de facto confederacy that never died.  Bunch of ignorant racist knuckle-dragging backwoods hicks.  And Mitt Romney.
All insults, not substance.  As expected.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 25, 2022, 05:50:05 pm
They have you believing it wasn't retaliatory? Oooh. That's a question you are incapable of ever answeing. You just can't win. Lol
It most certainly was retaliatory.  Not because of speech, but because of a complete overreach by a corporation to impose its power over a duly elected government.  Stop advocating for oligarchy.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 08:33:53 pm
It most certainly was retaliatory.  Not because of speech, but because of a complete overreach by a corporation to impose its power over a duly elected government. Stop advocating for oligarchy.

Says the guy who wants Elon Musk to use him as a toilet.

The "overreach" here, by the way, is Disney issuing a short statement criticizing the bill. That's it.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 25, 2022, 08:40:51 pm

DeSantis signs bill creating election police unit in Florida (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/desantis-signs-bill-creating-election-police-unit-florida-rcna25941)

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Voter fraud is rare, typically occurs in isolated instances and is generally detected. An Associated Press investigation of the 2020 presidential election found fewer than 475 potential cases of voter fraud out of 25.5 million ballots cast in the six states where Trump and his allies disputed his loss to President Joe Biden.

This is an overt attempt to chill the exercise of the franchise in a key swing state where the few actual cases of voter fraud have been committed by Republican Boomers (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/republicans-trump-florida-vote-fraud-b1976344.html).
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 25, 2022, 09:27:48 pm
It most certainly was retaliatory.  Not because of speech, but because of a complete overreach by a corporation to impose its power over a duly elected government.  Stop advocating for oligarchy.
Impose its power? How, other than by speaking and stating their opinion?
Blatant hypocrites like you have this idea that you can only make your arguments if you pretend not to understand simple concepts, but I don't think it helps.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 11:14:09 am
Impose its power? How, other than by speaking and stating their opinion?
Blatant hypocrites like you have this idea that you can only make your arguments if you pretend not to understand simple concepts, but I don't think it helps.

Shiddy also doesn't seem to understand that if Disney actually cared about this issue and wanted to "impose its power" it would absolutely crush DeSantis and anyone else who gets in its way. The fact that all they did was release an anodyne statement against the bigot bill shows what a total farce the idea of "woke capital" is.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 27, 2022, 11:46:30 am
Shiddy also doesn't seem to understand that if Disney actually cared about this issue and wanted to "impose its power" it would absolutely crush DeSantis and anyone else who gets in its way. The fact that all they did was release an anodyne statement against the bigot bill shows what a total farce the idea of "woke capital" is.
They did more than just release a statement.  But regardless, if this is what it takes for this large corporation to stop it's special status that no other corporation in Florida receives than so be it.   Crony capitalism is something that everybody should be against.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 12:04:34 pm
They did more than just release a statement.

Ok what else did they do.

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But regardless, if this is what it takes for this large corporation to stop it's special status that no other corporation in Florida receives than so be it. Crony capitalism is something that everybody should be against.

Weird that someone who believes in "free speech" and the "free market" is cool with the idea that the state should be able to punish a private corporation for exercising its own constitutionally protected right to speech.

Weird how you weren't against this or crony capitalism in general until it became part of the culture war.

Weird that you ignore the part where this move probably benefits Disney and hurts taxpayers.

j/k it's not weird at all when one considers that you will reverse engineer any justification for actions that you see as owning the libs, even if it completely flies in the face of your other stated convictions because that's what hacks do.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 27, 2022, 12:20:35 pm
Ok what else did they do.

Weird that someone who believes in "free speech" and the "free market" is cool with the idea that the state should be able to punish a private corporation for exercising its own constitutionally protected right to speech.

Weird how you weren't against this or crony capitalism in general until it became part of the culture war.

Weird that you ignore the part where this move probably benefits Disney and hurts taxpayers.

j/k it's not weird at all when one considers that you will reverse engineer any justification for actions that you see as owning the libs, even if it completely flies in the face of your other stated convictions because that's what hacks do.
They originally released a statement saying they were going to remain neutral, but then they caved to their crazy woke employees and began to escalate things, ultimately indicating they were going to try to overturn the legislation.  Regardless, a "free market" that you refer to isn't one company getting special status.  How the f**k do you think that's a free market?  Like I've said, if this is what was necessary to ultimately lead to the end of crony capitalism and uncover the decades of special treatment Disney has received by both Republican and Democrat administrations in Florida, then so be it.  It's a good thing.  It's also a good thing to remind corporations that they do not govern the state, that responsibility is held with the duly elected officials and the governor.  In otherwords, take your woke bullsh*t, roll it up really tight, and shove it up your candy a**.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 12:28:32 pm
They originally released a statement saying they were going to remain neutral, but then they caved to their crazy woke employees and began to escalate things, ultimately indicating they were going to try to overturn the legislation. 

"Escalate things" by...releasing another statement. Oooooh!

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Regardless, a "free market" that you refer to isn't one company getting special status.  How the f**k do you think that's a free market? 

Every day you find new ways to impress me with the depths of your stupidity.

Conservatives have advanced the idea that corporations have the legal rights and responsibilities enjoyed by natural persons, including the right to free speech. If you believe in free speech, then the idea of the state punishing a corporation for exercising that right should be deeply disturbing to you, but here you are, cheering it on, becaus eyou don't have any principles beyond "owning the libs."

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Like I've said, if this is what was necessary to ultimately lead to the end of crony capitalism and uncover the decades of special treatment Disney has received by both Republican and Democrat administrations in Florida, then so be it.  It's a good thing.

"It's good that the government punishes free speech because it means an end to this thing I didn't even know existed until 15 minutes ago."-Shiddy

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It's also a good thing to remind corporations that they do not govern the state, that responsibility is held with the duly elected officials and the governor. In otherwords, take your woke bullsh*t, roll it up really tight, and shove it up your candy a**.

Using the power of the state to discipline independent actors who don't fall in line with the current obsessions of state officials is a good example of fascism.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 12:35:01 pm
Seems like it's going to be pretty much impossible for Florida to get out of this deal with Disney anyway (https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report/the-contractual-impossibility-of-unwinding-disneys-reedy-creek) and would cost taxpayers billions, so really it's just a bunch of performative vice-signalling by DeSantis.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 27, 2022, 01:14:45 pm
"Escalate things" by...releasing another statement. Oooooh!

Every day you find new ways to impress me with the depths of your stupidity.

Conservatives have advanced the idea that corporations have the legal rights and responsibilities enjoyed by natural persons, including the right to free speech. If you believe in free speech, then the idea of the state punishing a corporation for exercising that right should be deeply disturbing to you, but here you are, cheering it on, becaus eyou don't have any principles beyond "owning the libs."

"It's good that the government punishes free speech because it means an end to this thing I didn't even know existed until 15 minutes ago."-Shiddy

Using the power of the state to discipline independent actors who don't fall in line with the current obsessions of state officials is a good example of fascism.
Treating businesses equally isn't punishing people.  They shouldn't have these special exemptions anyways, it's crony capitalism.  The fact that this incident brought this to light is a good thing.  Yes, forcing a company to pay it's taxes, and be governed under the law every other business is, is definitely a good example of fascism!  You're a clown.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 27, 2022, 01:15:57 pm
Seems like it's going to be pretty much impossible for Florida to get out of this deal with Disney anyway (https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report/the-contractual-impossibility-of-unwinding-disneys-reedy-creek) and would cost taxpayers billions, so really it's just a bunch of performative vice-signalling by DeSantis.
Yes, it doesn't surprise me that the decades long crony capitalism arrangement will be difficult to unwind.  It doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do.  Keep fighting for the oligarchy though.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 01:21:40 pm
Treating businesses equally isn't punishing people.  They shouldn't have these special exemptions anyways, it's crony capitalism.  The fact that this incident brought this to light is a good thing.  Yes, forcing a company to pay it's taxes, and be governed under the law every other business is, is definitely a good example of fascism!  You're a clown.

Punishing a company for exercising its right to free speech is and it's hilarious you are pretending it's not.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 01:22:27 pm
Yes, it doesn't surprise me that the decades long crony capitalism arrangement will be difficult to unwind.  It doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do.  Keep fighting for the oligarchy though.

You stared a whole thread to kiss Elon Musks's balls, I don't think I'm the oligarchy fan here.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 27, 2022, 02:27:25 pm
Punishing a company for exercising its right to free speech is and it's hilarious you are pretending it's not.
Once again, enforcing equality is not a punishment.  Ending crony capitalism should be something everyone supports.  But people like you have become so deranged, that supporting an oligarchy and crony capitalism is your new default position.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 02:35:07 pm
Once again, enforcing equality is not a punishment. 

lol incredible

It most certainly was retaliatory.  Not because of speech, but because of a complete overreach by a corporation to impose its power over a duly elected government.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 27, 2022, 02:47:51 pm
lol incredible
Are you laughing because you don't understand that an action can be retaliatory but also just?  Is that why you're laughing you grinning idiot?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 03:05:23 pm
Are you laughing because you don't understand that an action can be retaliatory but also just?  Is that why you're laughing you grinning idiot?

No dorkwad, I'm laughing because you literally denied that it was punishment today after admitting it was retaliation for Disney's response to the bigot bill two days ago. You can't keep your story straight because you're a gibbering cretin clumsily trying to spin this transparent attack on free speech as some kind of populist anti-oligarch move even though literally no one is arguing against getting rid of Disney's special tax district status on principle.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 27, 2022, 06:31:44 pm
So ... my attention span has wasted about 2 minutes on this Florida bill.

One side calls it "don't say Gay" bill
Other side calls it "anti grooming bill

It's a bill to not talk about sexuality from K-3.  We didn't talk about it when I went to school for those ages and I'm pretty sure it didn't matter.  Pretty soon after, we did.

To call it an anti-grooming bill is vile and equates sex education with pedos.

My conclusion: these people would rather fight than talk about real problems.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 27, 2022, 09:04:31 pm
So ... my attention span has wasted about 2 minutes on this Florida bill.

One side calls it "don't say Gay" bill
Other side calls it "anti grooming bill

It's a bill to not talk about sexuality from K-3.  We didn't talk about it when I went to school for those ages and I'm pretty sure it didn't matter.  Pretty soon after, we did.

To call it an anti-grooming bill is vile and equates sex education with pedos.

My conclusion: these people would rather fight than talk about real problems.

No (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/florida-dont-say-gay-censorship-republican-lies.html).


Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 27, 2022, 09:15:15 pm
The case seems to be that the bill is poorly worded.

That's dumb, and could/should work against them.

I refuse to take the bait and join this stupid fight.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: kimmy on April 28, 2022, 01:49:10 am
So ... my attention span has wasted about 2 minutes on this Florida bill.

One side calls it "don't say Gay" bill
Other side calls it "anti grooming bill

Call me jaded, but I don't see a ton of difference between the right shouting "groomers!" at the left, and the left shouting "racists/bigots!" at the right.

It's a bill to not talk about sexuality from K-3.  We didn't talk about it when I went to school for those ages and I'm pretty sure it didn't matter.  Pretty soon after, we did.

Yes but that was before we understood that kids will kill themselves if they don't learn about The Genderbread Person before they're six.

Now we understand that if you don't support gender identity education for K-3 students, you're literally killing trans baby angels with your bare hands.

To call it an anti-grooming bill is vile and equates sex education with pedos.

It depends what you consider grooming.

Groomed for underage sex? No.

Groomed to believe nonsense? Yes.

My conclusion: these people would rather fight than talk about real problems.

Culture war stuff is free money for politicians of all stripes. It looks different in Ottawa than in Florida or California or France, but the general idea is the same.


The case seems to be that the bill is poorly worded.

That's dumb, and could/should work against them.

I refuse to take the bait and join this stupid fight.

Yeah, they make a good argument that the bill is badly written, but if they fixed it to achieve perfect clarity that wouldn't make any of the outrage go away. People aren't calling it "the badly worded bill" or calling for boycotts because it lacks clarity.

 -k
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 28, 2022, 08:39:14 am
1. Call me jaded, but I don't see a ton of difference between the right shouting "groomers!" at the left, and the left shouting "racists/bigots!" at the right.

2.   Groomed to believe nonsense? Yes.

3. Culture war stuff is free money for politicians of all stripes. It looks different in Ottawa than in Florida or California or France, but the general idea is the same.


4. People aren't calling it "the badly worded bill" or calling for boycotts because it lacks clarity.

 -k
1. Am I not saying exactly this ?  That's not to say extreme responses are always unwarranted but in the course of every day politics it should be so rare as to be remarkable.

2. You know that's not what it means.  You're getting sucked into the anti-politics stuff.  We have learned from Trump that the politics of outrage perpetuates itself with any kind of response that accepts the premise is given in good faith.  It is not. 

3. 4. And what are you going to do about it ?

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Bouts of anti-politics happen in democracies... and the way they leave is actually astonishing.  Normal people stop paying attention and the people who participate look crazier and crazier as they continue to be ignored.  You can see this pattern starting to emerge slightly in the stop-the-steal movement.   

The 'Free Silver' movement was huge, massive and highly divisive.  It left without even being noticed and was forgotten quickly. 

"Groomers" "Pizzagate" and whatever corresponding left- politics you want to add to that will do the same. 

IGNORE THE TROLLS.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 09:40:20 am
Call me jaded, but I don't see a ton of difference between the right shouting "groomers!" at the left, and the left shouting "racists/bigots!" at the right.

Other than the fact that the right is full of racists and bigots and the left is not rife with child molesters? Or what about the fact that the people spreading the "LGBTQ people are paedos" myth have actual political power?

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It depends what you consider grooming.

Groomed for underage sex? No.

Groomed to believe nonsense? Yes.

Yeah that's what they mean when they say groomers, for sure man.

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Yeah, they make a good argument that the bill is badly written, but if they fixed it to achieve perfect clarity that wouldn't make any of the outrage go away. People aren't calling it "the badly worded bill" or calling for boycotts because it lacks clarity.

Because it's not about it being "badly worded" it's about the intent of the bill, which is to foster a climate of fear and undermine public education, just like the slate of anti-CRT bills Republicans have pushed through. we know this because the people responsible for creating these moral panics say so.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 09:57:18 am

Bouts of anti-politics happen in democracies... and the way they leave is actually astonishing.  Normal people stop paying attention and the people who participate look crazier and crazier as they continue to be ignored.  You can see this pattern starting to emerge slightly in the stop-the-steal movement.   

The 'Free Silver' movement was huge, massive and highly divisive.  It left without even being noticed and was forgotten quickly. 

"Groomers" "Pizzagate" and whatever corresponding left- politics you want to add to that will do the same. 

IGNORE THE TROLLS.

This is incredibly naive and actually dangerous.

It is a mainstream Republican position that the 2020 election was stolen and they are working to make sure that any future election results that don't go their way will be overturned.

It is a mainstream Republican position that LGBTQ people in positions of authority, from teachers to librarians, are indoctrinating children into deviant sexual lifestyles if not actively abusing them.

It is a mainstream Republican position that social media is censoring conservatives and that institutions of higher learning are stifling free speech and indoctrinating youth into a cult of wokeness.

This is not fringe whacko stuff, it's the entire platform of the Republican party at this point.

Ignoring it and hoping it just goes away isn't going to work, you need to actually rally normal people to fight it. It's unfortunate that the Democrats seem to have the same view that you do, that the loons are just a few bad apples and forgetting the rest of that aphorism.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 28, 2022, 10:09:55 am

1. It is a mainstream Republican position that the 2020 election was stolen and they are working to make sure that any future election results that don't go their way will be overturned.

2. It is a mainstream Republican position that LGBTQ people in positions of authority, from teachers to librarians, are indoctrinating children into deviant sexual lifestyles if not actively abusing them.

3. It is a mainstream Republican position that social media is censoring conservatives and that institutions of higher learning are stifling free speech and indoctrinating youth into a cult of wokeness.

4. This is not fringe whacko stuff, it's the entire platform of the Republican party at this point.

5. Ignoring it and hoping it just goes away isn't going to work, you need to actually rally normal people to fight it. It's unfortunate that the Democrats seem to have the same view that you do, that the loons are just a few bad apples and forgetting the rest of that aphorism.

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Maybe not 'ignore' but don't enter the arena of discussion and don't fight fire with fire.  Find reason. 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on April 28, 2022, 10:10:23 am
Call me jaded, but I don't see a ton of difference between the right shouting "groomers!" at the left, and the left shouting "racists/bigots!" at the right.
Actually there is quite a bit of difference between the 2.

The right wing (at least in the U.S.) is shouting "groomers" based on... nothing. A myth. Any sort of "sexual issues" that might be discussed in public schools at a young age are superficial and in no way "grooming" children for a life of debauchery. And given the number of republicans and supporters with questionable sexual histories (Gaetz, Duggars, etc.), it almost seems like they are the ones who should be under investigation for "grooming".

On the other hand, what about when the left shouts "racists/bigots" at those on the right? Well, keep in mind that Trump (the right-wing republican and former president) was once fined because he refused to rent to minorities. He fought to keep confederate statues and names on military installations. (You remember the confederacy? The people who fought to keep slavery in the south?) He called Neo-nazis "Fine people" (And please don't try to justify it by saying "he said both sides"... nazi flags at the chartletsville rally were common, so anyone who was there was quite happy being seen linked to the neonazi movement.)

Republican voters looked at all that stuff, and said "Yup, that's who I want as my leader".

Even outside of Trump, you have people like Margorie Taylor Greene, who regularly spouts anti-LGBT nonsense, and makes anti-semetic claims about jewish space lasers starting fires. Yet the Republican party seems quite comfortable counting her as one of their own, and has made no effort to distance themselves from her.

Anyone who is right-wing and NOT a bigot would have left the republican party long ago.

Now, a person on the right could claim "I'm not a bigot, I just support the republicans because I love big deficits and trade wars". But I think there comes a point when a leader's racist ideology should override any other factors in voting for them. (Its like a person saying "I'm not against jews, I just like hitler because of the role he played in the creation of the VW beetle"... I think people would recognize that as a nonsense claim.
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It depends what you consider grooming.
Groomed for underage sex? No.
Groomed to believe nonsense? Yes.
I haven't really seen anything to indicate that it does prevent "teaching nonsense", other than "lets ignore the issue all together".
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My conclusion: these people would rather fight than talk about real problems.
Culture war stuff is free money for politicians of all stripes. It looks different in Ottawa than in Florida or California or France, but the general idea is the same.
Here is the difference (at least in the United States).

In theory, the left wing COULD engage in the same sort of culture war stuff that the right wing does, but that is not what is happening (at least at this point in time)....

The "left" actually seems to be talking about real issues... they were the ones who brought in Obamacare. They pushed (and actually obtained) infrastructure spending. Most want to make college education more affordable. These are real issues that they are fighting elections on. They have made policy proposals. A rational person might find fault with some of their ideas or have alternatives that might be better, but at least they are interested in addressing real problems.

The republicans? They didn't even HAVE an official platform in the 2020 election. If it doesn't involve tax cuts or other ways to funnel money to millionaires, they don't care. All they have going for them are "culture wars" (that and a reflex obstruction of anything the democrats suggest, even if they don't have any plans of their own). "Grooming" doesn't exist, but DeathSantis seems to be prepared to fight an election on opposing it. Most republicans can't even define "critical race theory", but they think it is somehow going to destroy America. And fox (the right-wing mouth piece of the republican party) regularly goes into fits in December over the imaginary "war on Christmas".

So with republicans, it seems to be "all culture war, all the time". And all based on imaginary foes that they can use to whip up their base.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 10:13:08 am
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Maybe not 'ignore' but don't enter the arena of discussion and don't fight fire with fire.  Find reason.

What does this even mean in practice?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 10:23:37 am
Here is the difference (at least in the United States).

In theory, the left wing COULD engage in the same sort of culture war stuff that the right wing does, but that is not what is happening (at least at this point in time)....

The "left" actually seems to be talking about real issues... they were the ones who brought in Obamacare. They pushed (and actually obtained) infrastructure spending. Most want to make college education more affordable. These are real issues that they are fighting elections on. They have made policy proposals. A rational person might find fault with some of their ideas or have alternatives that might be better, but at least they are interested in addressing real problems.

So with republicans, it seems to be "all culture war, all the time". And all based on imaginary foes that they can use to whip up their base.

Unfortunately, those policies are also rejected by much of the mainstream Democrat party who would rather punch left than actually run on any of these policies because they're more worried about their donors and their own wealth than they are the Republican agenda.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 28, 2022, 10:36:23 am
What does this even mean in practice?

It might mean pointing out that the Republicans are not being reasonable, are demonizing people and being anti-politics.

Saying the bill tells people to 'not say Gay' is fighting nonsense with nonsense.  Until I looked at this I thought the bill literally said they couldn't say "Gay" ... so it's fantastically easy to debunk the claim.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 10:45:46 am
It might mean pointing out that the Republicans are not being reasonable, are demonizing people and being anti-politics.

Saying the bill tells people to 'not say Gay' is fighting nonsense with nonsense.  Until I looked at this I thought the bill literally said they couldn't say "Gay" ... so it's fantastically easy to debunk the claim.

That sounds like "entering the arena of discussion" tho.

I agree thought, liberals are terrible at messaging. Like with the CRT thing, the liberal counter was "uh, akshually critical race theory is taught in law school" instead of saying "these guys are lunatics who want to literally whitewash history and destroy public education, don't let the billionaires who are funding this decide what's best for your kids".
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 28, 2022, 12:55:58 pm
1. That sounds like "entering the arena of discussion" tho.

2. I agree thought, liberals are terrible at messaging. Like with the CRT thing, the liberal counter was "uh, akshually critical race theory is taught in law school" instead of saying "these guys are lunatics who want to literally whitewash history and destroy public education, don't let the billionaires who are funding this decide what's best for your kids".

1. Sure, and full disclosure that I am working through these ideas as I engage with people here.  It might mean changing from:

R: YOU PEOPLE ARE PEDOS
D: YOU PEOPLE HATE GAYS

to
R: YOU PEOPLE ARE PEDOS
D: ... wtf .... what are they doing demonizing people when we have work to do ?

2. It may come from actually having to deal with the other side constantly and getting lulled into following their tactics.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 01:30:40 pm
1. Sure, and full disclosure that I am working through these ideas as I engage with people here.  It might mean changing from:

R: YOU PEOPLE ARE PEDOS
D: YOU PEOPLE HATE GAYS

to
R: YOU PEOPLE ARE PEDOS
D: ... wtf .... what are they doing demonizing people when we have work to do ?

In my view "fighting fire with fire" means responding to these attacks, not necessarily in kind, but aggressively and with conviction. The Dems aren't doing that, they never do.

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2. It may come from actually having to deal with the other side constantly and getting lulled into following their tactics.

I think it's just that Republican attacks on marginalized communities don't materially affect mainstream Dems, so they are happy to let them win those fights.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 01:52:15 pm
Interesting take on the weird goblin who is becoming the face of the GOP.

The Florida governor isn’t doing “competent Trumpism.” He’s inventing American Orbánism. (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/4/28/23037788/ron-desantis-florida-viktor-orban-hungary-right-authoritarian)

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After Disney put out a statement criticizing the “Don’t Say Gay” bill, DeSantis moved to strip the corporation of its special tax status in a 40-square-mile area around Disney World. In this area, called the Reedy Creek Improvement District, Florida allows the mega-corporation to essentially function as a local government, giving it the power to, for example, collect taxes (from itself) and build roads. These privileges, first granted by the state in 1967, are hugely beneficial for the company — and, on Friday, DeSantis signed a bill revoking them.

In doing so, he was very explicit about his reasoning: This move was direct punishment for Disney’s stance on the “Don’t Say Gay” law. In a fundraising email, DeSantis wrote that “Disney and other woke corporations won’t get away with peddling their unchecked pressure campaigns any longer.” In an appearance on Newsmax, Lt. Gov. Jeanette Nunez noted that Disney had “changed what they really espouse,” lambasting the company’s “very public agenda to indoctrinate our children.”

This use of regulatory power to punish political opponents is right out of Orbán’s playbook. In 2015, Lajos Simicska — an extremely wealthy Hungarian businessman and longtime Orbán ally — turned on his patron, using a vulgar term to describe the prime minister.

In retaliation, the government cut its advertising in Simicska’s media outlets and shifted contracts away from his construction companies. After Fidesz’s 2018 election, Simicska sold his corporate holdings (mostly to pro-government figures). He moved to an isolated village in western Hungary; his last remaining business interest was an agricultural firm owned by his wife.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 28, 2022, 02:06:18 pm
1. In my view "fighting fire with fire" means responding to these attacks, not necessarily in kind, but aggressively and with conviction. The Dems aren't doing that, they never do.

2. I think it's just that Republican attacks on marginalized communities don't materially affect mainstream Dems, so they are happy to let them win those fights.
1. Interesting.  I thought it meant responding with the exact same thing but *shrug* etymology etc

2. I think it's that they watch different news sources
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 28, 2022, 02:07:04 pm
Maybe that's the answer - respond in a way that FOX can't spin and points out how immature everyone is being...

or ... something
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 02:31:45 pm
Maybe that's the answer - respond in a way that FOX can't spin and points out how immature everyone is being...

or ... something

The answer, again, is to have a policy agenda that addresses people's material problems that you can point to while pointing out that the other guys do not. It's simple, but Dems won't do it!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on April 28, 2022, 03:20:15 pm
The answer, again, is to have a policy agenda that addresses people's material problems that you can point to while pointing out that the other guys do not. It's simple, but Dems won't do it!

Another example: How much pandemic support went to working people under the Democrat President vs the Republican ?

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on April 28, 2022, 03:54:19 pm
The answer, again, is to have a policy agenda that addresses people's material problems that you can point to while pointing out that the other guys do not.
The problem is, you can come up with all the policies you want, you can publicize them constantly...

The problem is there is a large block of the electorate who are politically ignorant who will always be swayed by short soundbites. And more media attention will be dedicated to republican rhetoric than the media deserves.
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It's simple, but Dems won't do it!
What makes you think they don't? They certainly talked about policy during the last election (while at the same time the republicans were talking about "OMG! Biden is old! Laptop!") And since the election they have been promoting their infrastructure bill to their constituents.

See: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/democrats-sell-infrastructure-bill-push-for-biden-backup

The whole "Democrats don't do things right" just seems like a weird claim. What do you expect them to do, go door to door and tie voters to a chair to force them to list a "democrats' greatest hits" list?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 28, 2022, 08:36:31 pm
The problem is, you can come up with all the policies you want, you can publicize them constantly...

The problem is there is a large block of the electorate who are politically ignorant who will always be swayed by short soundbites. And more media attention will be dedicated to republican rhetoric than the media deserves.

I don't disagree, but the Dem's preferred course of action is usually to blame their own left flank.

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What makes you think they don't? They certainly talked about policy during the last election (while at the same time the republicans were talking about "OMG! Biden is old! Laptop!") And since the election they have been promoting their infrastructure bill to their constituents.

See: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/democrats-sell-infrastructure-bill-push-for-biden-backup

Did they pass BBB? Eliminate student loan debt? Ban new oil and gas leases on federal lands and offshore waters? Roll back Trump’s 2017 cuts to corporate tax rates? Their big signature achievement is a glorified highway bill, that's not gonna fire up their base or get anyone else on side.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on April 29, 2022, 01:14:20 am
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The problem is, you can come up with all the policies you want, you can publicize them constantly...

The problem is there is a large block of the electorate who are politically ignorant who will always be swayed by short soundbites. And more media attention will be dedicated to republican rhetoric than the media deserves.
I don't disagree, but the Dem's preferred course of action is usually to blame their own left flank.
There is a lot of squabbling between the far left and moderates during primaries. But at this point most of the criticism is aimed at Republicans and Manchin/Sinema.

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What makes you think they don't? They certainly talked about policy during the last election (while at the same time the republicans were talking about "OMG! Biden is old! Laptop!") And since the election they have been promoting their infrastructure bill to their constituents.
Did they pass BBB? Eliminate student loan debt? .... Roll back Trump’s 2017 cuts to corporate tax rates?
You are right... they haven't passed many pieces of legislation that would otherwise be beneficial (both to the voters themselves, and to the fortunes of the Democrats... assuming of course they actually get credit for passing it.)

The problem is obstructionism from the republicans (and, to a lesser degree, Manchin/Sinema). Their ability to "get things done" is severely curtailed, not by people who have big ideas about what to do, but by a party that largely runs on culture wars. Kind of hard to pass anything in that environment. (And sadly they will be at a disadvantage for the foreseeable future, because of the amount of political power concentrated in rural, pro-republican areas. And no amount of "look at what we want to do" will help with that.)

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Ban new oil and gas leases on federal lands and offshore waters?
This is one of the few things that the Biden administration could do, even with a obstructionist republicans in congress.

Would it be a good idea from an environmental standpoint? Maybe. Probably. But in a time of surging gas prices, taking actions that might be seen as further increasing prices might be harmful politically. (Even if those gas leases wouldn't result in new supplies for years, it would still be a bad image.)

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on April 29, 2022, 09:34:05 am
There is a lot of squabbling between the far left and moderates during primaries. But at this point most of the criticism is aimed at Republicans and Manchin/Sinema.

I haven't seen much of that, at least from the party itself.

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You are right... they haven't passed many pieces of legislation that would otherwise be beneficial (both to the voters themselves, and to the fortunes of the Democrats... assuming of course they actually get credit for passing it.)

The problem is obstructionism from the republicans (and, to a lesser degree, Manchin/Sinema). Their ability to "get things done" is severely curtailed, not by people who have big ideas about what to do, but by a party that largely runs on culture wars. Kind of hard to pass anything in that environment. (And sadly they will be at a disadvantage for the foreseeable future, because of the amount of political power concentrated in rural, pro-republican areas. And no amount of "look at what we want to do" will help with that.)

They have two out of three branches of government! If they can't pass anything, that's on them and their inability to get Manchin/Sinema on board. You simply don't see that kind of flagrant disregard for the part agenda from the GOP.

(Also they don't need Congress to eliminate student loan debt, that can be done by EO.)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on May 01, 2022, 12:26:40 am
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There is a lot of squabbling between the far left and moderates during primaries. But at this point most of the criticism is aimed at Republicans and Manchin/Sinema.
I haven't seen much of that, at least from the party itself.
Really? That's where i hear most of the criticism.

For example: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/07/joe-manchin-voting-rights-bill-492072

Admittedly, the higher-ups in the party may not be as vocal in their criticism because they recognize the need to keep the 2 of them on board when their hold on the Senate is so slim.

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The problem is obstructionism from the republicans (and, to a lesser degree, Manchin/Sinema). Their ability to "get things done" is severely curtailed, not by people who have big ideas about what to do, but by a party that largely runs on culture wars. Kind of hard to pass anything in that environment. (And sadly they will be at a disadvantage for the foreseeable future, because of the amount of political power concentrated in rural, pro-republican areas. And no amount of "look at what we want to do" will help with that.)
They have two out of three branches of government! If they can't pass anything, that's on them and their inability to get Manchin/Sinema on board.
It's the nature of U.S. politics... unlike the Canadian system, you don't really have the same requirements for party solidarity. And Manchin is from a deep-red state... it's understandable that he would have a voting record that differs from most democrats. (Sinema's case is a little different... she went from being a Green party candidate to being a republican-lite. She may risk getting primaried next time she is up for re-election.)
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You simply don't see that kind of flagrant disregard for the part agenda from the GOP.
Of course, the last time the GOP was in charge, they didn't actually DO anything (apart from their tax-cuts-for-millionaires). Their plan to kill off Americans through repealing Obamacare failed. (And they had a bigger majority than the Democrats do now!)
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(Also they don't need Congress to eliminate student loan debt, that can be done by EO.)
Actually, it's not exactly clear that he can eliminate debts via EO. Some experts say yes he can, others say no, he can't.

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/21/can-joe-biden-forgive-student-debt-without-congress-experts-weigh-in.html
The legal arguments around whether or not a president can nix the debt get complicated, fast...  Luke Herrine, a Ph.D. candidate at Yale Law School...“Basically it’s like the power that a prosecutor has to determine whether to bring charges against somebody"... Ryan D. Doerfler, a law professor at the University of Chicago, can also see such a move being met by a myriad of challenges. For example, he said, opponents may say that the U.S. Department of Education can deliver relief to borrowers only in specific circumstances.

From: https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2021/09/14/can-biden-forgive-student-loans-through-an-executive-order/
“At this point, it’s technically still unclear whether the President has the authority to simply do broad forgiveness with the stroke of a pen,” Carlo Salerno, vice president for research at CampusLogic and a longtime higher education economist, tells Fortune. “He asked the Education Department six months ago now for legal clarification. I think most experts agree that if he did have the authority, it would’ve already happened."...House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has given her thoughts....she told reporters the White House doesn’t have the power to wipe out borrowers’ student loans through an executive order. Instead, she said, that would need to be an act passed through Congress.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on May 02, 2022, 11:59:07 am
Really? That's where i hear most of the criticism.

The headline literally says "The left hates Joe Manchin. His fellow Senate Dems are staying quiet." And the article itself is about how the party won't bad mouth him out loud, and it's not just the higehr-ups.

Oh and that piece of garbage just cut an ad for a Republican (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/01/joe-manchin-democrat-ad-west-virginia-republican-david-mckinley-alex-mooney-trump-build-back-better) boasting about how he sunk BBB.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on June 08, 2022, 05:21:09 pm
Ron Desantis got caught co-governing with an unregistered foreign agent for the Putin-controlled country of Georgia. So he blamed the media, of course
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on June 09, 2022, 08:22:28 pm
Ron Desantis got caught co-governing with an unregistered foreign agent for the Putin-controlled country of Georgia. So he blamed the media, of course

You should know by now that The Joker doesn't play by the rules.

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-06/220608-MB-Christina-Pushaw-jg-ba2af5.jpg)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on July 25, 2022, 05:08:21 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYd1YymXoAAMlg4?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on July 25, 2022, 10:54:09 pm
(Picture of protesters with both nazi flags and a DeSantis banner)
A little more information might be of interest...

From: https://people.com/politics/florida-governor-ron-desantis-has-not-denounced-neo-nazi-supporters/
The group gathered outside the Tampa Convention Center, which was playing host to the conservative Turning Point USA Student Action Summit. Photos taken of the group show them waving posters with anti-Semitic imagery, such as swastikas and Nazi flags, along with the Florida state flag and a poster showing DeSantis' face....Florida Agriculture Commissioner and Democratic gubernatorial candidate Nikki Fried held a press conference in the same place, urging DeSantis to denounce the group....Fellow Democratic gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist — who served as Florida's Republican governor from 2007 to 2011 but later switched political parties — also criticized DeSantis for not yet condemning the display.

I suspect Deathsantis will react the same way Stubby Mcbonespurs did when he had to deal with racist supporters... EVENTUALLY give a half-hearted weak condemnation some time after things have died down. (Remember how he claimed he "didn't know David Duke", even though he had previously mentioned him by name.)

Of course, being linked to NeoNazis is probably beneficial for DeathSantis if he is trying to win the Republican primaries, but likely harmful in a general election.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 19, 2022, 01:40:35 pm
Judge blocks Florida anti-woke la (https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-judge-blocks-florida-woke-law-pushed-by-gov-desantis-1.6033005)

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A Florida judge on Thursday declared a Florida law championed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis that restricts race-based conversation and analysis in business and education unconstitutional.

Tallahassee U.S. District Judge Mark Walker said in a 44-page ruling that the “Stop WOKE” act violates the First Amendment and is impermissibly vague. Walker also refused to issue a stay that would keep the law in effect during any appeal by the state.

The law targets what DeSantis has called a “pernicious” ideology exemplified by critical race theory – the idea that racism is systemic in U.S. institutions that serve to perpetuate white dominance in society.

Walker said the law, as applied to diversity, inclusion and bias training in businesses, turns the First Amendment “upside down” because the state is barring speech by prohibiting discussion of certain concepts in training programs.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 19, 2022, 06:02:41 pm
Judge blocks Florida anti-woke la (https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-judge-blocks-florida-woke-law-pushed-by-gov-desantis-1.6033005)
Yeah they need to adjust the legislation a bit.  I can understand them wanting to ban a lot of the racist anti-white bullshit that you guys love.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 19, 2022, 08:08:11 pm
Yeah they need to adjust the legislation a bit.  I can understand them wanting to ban a lot of the racist anti-white bullshit that you guys love.


You sure love chugging daddy government’s balls don’t you, little fascist freak.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on August 27, 2022, 08:39:09 am
Cancel Culture again...
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 30, 2022, 03:02:35 pm
A couple of weeks ago, Manlet DeSantis made a big show of announcing the arrest of 20 people with felony convictions for voting illegally as part of the right's ongoing effort to convince people that voter fraud is a real problem (it's not). Turns out, these defendants were told by Florida officials that they were legally permitted to vote (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/desantis-voter-fraud-defendants-florida-00053788).
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 30, 2022, 03:17:24 pm
A couple of weeks ago, Manlet DeSantis made a big show of announcing the arrest of 20 people with felony convictions for voting illegally as part of the right's ongoing effort to convince people that voter fraud is a real problem (it's not). Turns out, these defendants were told by Florida officials that they were legally permitted to vote (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/desantis-voter-fraud-defendants-florida-00053788).
It’s not to convince anyone of anything.  It’s called enforcing the law.  What a concept huh?  You woke pieces of sh*t won’t understand that if you don’t enforce laws, you incentivize breaking the law.  It’s why crime is up in woke run cities.  Because of woke pieces of garbage like you. 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on August 30, 2022, 03:27:57 pm
A couple of weeks ago, Manlet DeSantis made a big show of announcing the arrest of 20 people with felony convictions for voting illegally as part of the right's ongoing effort to convince people that voter fraud is a real problem (it's not). Turns out, these defendants were told by Florida officials that they were legally permitted to vote (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/desantis-voter-fraud-defendants-florida-00053788).
I think this really highlights a problem....

People improperly get told they can vote by government officials (so they do), and get the police arresting them via SWAT teams at 6 A.M.

On the other hand, Trump DELIBERATELY steals classified government documents, PURPOSELY lies about having those documents, has a search warrant executed (which he incorrectly calls "a raid"), which results in significant evidence that yes, Trump willfully broke the law, and the MAGAchud are suggesting actually retrieving government property is akin to Nazi tactics and that FBI agents should be shot.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 30, 2022, 05:04:27 pm
It’s not to convince anyone of anything.  It’s called enforcing the law.

A law they put in place to intentionally disenfranchise people against the wishes of the vast majority of voters.

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In Novem­ber 2018, nearly 65 percent of Flor­ida voters approved Amend­­ment 4, a consti­tu­tional amend­ment that auto­mat­ic­ally restored voting rights to most Flor­idi­ans with past convic­tions who had completed the terms of their sentence. Shortly there­after, in June 2019, Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 7066 into law, prohib­it­ing return­ing citizens from voting unless they pay off certain legal financial oblig­a­­tions (LFOs) imposed by a court pursu­ant to a felony convic­­tion.

Also, they spent millions of dollars to find 20 people who "illegally" voted out of nearly 11 million voters. Super good use of the taxpayer dollar from "fiscal conservatives".

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You woke pieces of sh*t won’t understand that if you don’t enforce laws, you incentivize breaking the law.  It’s why crime is up in woke run cities.  Because of woke pieces of garbage like you.

Crime is up everywhere you human haemorrhoid.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 30, 2022, 06:18:21 pm
A law they put in place to intentionally disenfranchise people against the wishes of the vast majority of voters.

Also, they spent millions of dollars to find 20 people who "illegally" voted out of nearly 11 million voters. Super good use of the taxpayer dollar from "fiscal conservatives".

Crime is up everywhere you human haemorrhoid.
Complete nonsense.  Many places have restrictions on felons voting.  Some in Florida can restore their privilege once they pay certain restitution.  I’m not surprised you’re upset about felons being “disenfranchised” since the left courts the votes of violent criminals.  Regardless, there’s a directed connection to increases in crime and defund and bail reform policies.  Violent criminals are either not being prosecuted or even held on bail in some sick distorted principle of equity.  It’s f**ked up, and literally nobody likes these policies other than white, woke pieces of garbage that don’t have to worry about any of these policy repercussions.  Domestic chicken hawks, all of you.  Keep living in safe and sound Alberta.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on August 30, 2022, 06:58:38 pm
You literally worship at the feet of a guy who instigated a riot that left hundreds of people injured and several dead, and praised him while he was doing it. I don't think you have any credibility on this subject
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 30, 2022, 07:19:55 pm
You literally worship at the feet of a guy who instigated a riot that left hundreds of people injured and several dead, and praised him while he was doing it. I don't think you have any credibility on this subject
I don’t worship at the feet of anyone.  I support good policies.  Regardless, I see that you continue to lie.  Only one person died, an unarmed woman.  You literally supported riots in 2020 because of social justice that actually did leave thousands injured, dozens dead and billions in damages.  You have no credibility when it comes to riots.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 30, 2022, 07:24:26 pm
Complete nonsense.  Many places have restrictions on felons voting.  Some in Florida can restore their privilege once they pay certain restitution.  I’m not surprised you’re upset about felons being “disenfranchised” since the left courts the votes of violent criminals.  Regardless, there’s a directed connection to increases in crime and defund and bail reform policies.  Violent criminals are either not being prosecuted or even held on bail in some sick distorted principle of equity.  It’s f**ked up, and literally nobody likes these policies other than white, woke pieces of garbage that don’t have to worry about any of these policy repercussions.  Domestic chicken hawks, all of you.  Keep living in safe and sound Alberta.

I’ll came back to this but I once again would like to remind everyone that this daft b!tch lives in London, Ontario, which is a shithole to be sure, but is also far removed from any of the places he’s obsessing over.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 30, 2022, 07:25:39 pm
I don’t worship at the feet of anyone.  I support good policies.  Regardless, I see that you continue to lie.  Only one person died, an unarmed woman.  You literally supported riots in 2020 because of social justice that actually did leave thousands injured, dozens dead and billions in damages.  You have no credibility when it comes to riots.

Yeah the woman you said was “just walking around” and not climbing through a broken window to get into a restricted area. You clown, you total shitbird.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: wilber on August 30, 2022, 08:48:54 pm
Yeah the woman you said was “just walking around” and not climbing through a broken window to get into a restricted area. You clown, you total shitbird.

With the mob right behind her. She was a victim of course, a victim of the bullshit she had been fed by all the conspiracy pedlars.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 30, 2022, 08:58:56 pm
Complete nonsense.  Many places have restrictions on felons voting.

And?

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Some in Florida can restore their privilege once they pay certain restitution. 

A process that is intentionally convoluted and is also reminiscent of the Jim Crow era poll tax.

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I’m not surprised you’re upset about felons being “disenfranchised” since the left courts the votes of violent criminals.


Gee I wonder why the guy who cries about the police state and big government thinks someone who has completed all terms of their sentence including parole or probation should be barred from the franchise unless they pay extra oh wait I know:

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Florida's disenfranchised felons constituted 10% of the adult population, and 21.5% of the adult African American population.

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Regardless, there’s a directed connection to increases in crime and defund and bail reform policies. Violent criminals are either not being prosecuted or even held on bail in some sick distorted principle of equity.

Let's see a source for these claims or is this more top secret data that only you have access to lol. As I've said on innumerable occasions (and you've never made any attempt to rebut), crime rose in jurisdictions both with and without defunding of police and bail reforms.

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It’s f**ked up, and literally nobody likes these policies other than white, woke pieces of garbage that don’t have to worry about any of these policy repercussions.  Domestic chicken hawks, all of you.  Keep living in safe and sound Alberta.

It's funny how you cry about poor Donald Trump's persecution while ascribing to the idea that person’s wealth should determine whether or not they get to walk free before trial. You have no principles beyond prostrating yourself before wealth.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on August 30, 2022, 11:10:45 pm
I don’t worship at the feet of anyone.  I support good policies.  Regardless, I see that you continue to lie.  Only one person died, an unarmed woman.
A woman with a "Don't Tread on Me" flag was literally stomped to death by you guys. They don't tell you that in your "media sources", do they?

Not to mention I never supported any riots. You just made that up because you had no other argument to turn to when you realized what a POS you are.

Were your parents also siblings?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 31, 2022, 09:17:55 am
A woman with a "Don't Tread on Me" flag was literally stomped to death by you guys. They don't tell you that in your "media sources", do they?

I thought she overdosed on meth.

Meanwhile the "dozens that died" during the BLM protests includes several killed by right wing vigilantes (Rittenhouse), would-be right wing vigilantes merked before they could hurt anyone (Aaron Danielson), those killed by cops (David McAtee, Michael Reinoehl).
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 31, 2022, 10:23:55 am
A woman with a "Don't Tread on Me" flag was literally stomped to death by you guys. They don't tell you that in your "media sources", do they?

Not to mention I never supported any riots. You just made that up because you had no other argument to turn to when you realized what a POS you are.

Were your parents also siblings?
You said several dead.  You’re a f**king liar.  You’ve continued to lie about this for months.  And you never said a word about the riots in 2020.  You and your ilk have zero credibility when it comes to riots.  You supported BLM.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2022, 10:59:33 am
You literally worship at the feet of a guy who instigated a riot that left hundreds of people injured and several dead, and praised him while he was doing it. I don't think you have any credibility on this subject

You said several dead.  You’re a f**king liar.

how much is a 'several', hey Shady? NYT: These Are the 5 People Who Died in the Capitol Riot (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 31, 2022, 11:37:40 am
how much is a 'several', hey Shady? NYT: These Are the 5 People Who Died in the Capitol Riot (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html)
Please list the people that died during the riot.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2022, 11:39:25 am
Please list the people that died during the riot.

are you deef man?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 31, 2022, 11:40:59 am
are you deef man?
I’m waiting.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 31, 2022, 11:45:40 am
I’m waiting.

Four on the day. Kevin Greeson and Benjamin Phillips (heart attacks), Rosanne Boyland, (meth overdose), Ashli Babbitt (f*cked around and found out).

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 31, 2022, 11:47:24 am
Four on the day. Kevin Greeson and Benjamin Phillips (heart attacks), Rosanne Boyland, (meth overdose), Ashli Babbitt (f*cked around and found out).
Right, so 1 person from the riot.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 31, 2022, 01:39:59 pm
Right, so 1 person from the riot.

You literally said "only one person died". That's false.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on August 31, 2022, 08:20:54 pm
While, like most Trumpers, she was a meth head, it hasn't been determined that killed her. She was, however, trampled by her fellow crazed Trump addicts before she died.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosanne-boyland-trampled-flag/
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 02, 2022, 12:29:30 pm
Gavin Newsom's in-laws fled from California to Florida during the pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gavin-newsoms-in-laws-fled-california-florida-during-pandemic-records-show

Even they preferred a Ron DeSantis run state.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on September 02, 2022, 12:31:41 pm
Gavin Newsom's in-laws fled from California to Florida during the pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gavin-newsoms-in-laws-fled-california-florida-during-pandemic-records-show

Even they preferred a Ron DeSantis run state.

"Rich old shitheads are reactionaries" is apparently news to some very stupid people,
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 03:27:13 pm
DeSantis may finally put an end to Trump’s political aspirations for 2024.

In a hypothetical 2024 presidential primary in the Sunshine State, DeSantis leads Trump 48%-40%.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/21/desantis-trump-florida-republicans-2024-suffolk-poll/10432550002/?gnt-cfr=1
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 03:37:27 pm
And he probably wouldn't do better than Trump in a general election. Both would bomb. The human trafficking stunt probably finished his chances there.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 03:48:26 pm
And he probably wouldn't do better than Trump in a general election. Both would bomb. The human trafficking stunt probably finished his chances there.
Complete nonsense.  I’m pretty confident he’s blow out Biden.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2022, 03:50:35 pm
DeSantis may finally put an end to Trump’s political aspirations for 2024.

In a hypothetical 2024 presidential primary in the Sunshine State, DeSantis leads Trump 48%-40%.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/21/desantis-trump-florida-republicans-2024-suffolk-poll/10432550002/?gnt-cfr=1

Yeah until they go head to head in a debate and Trump calls him something like "Wrong Desantis who is just 5'9'" and wins 100% of the GOP national vote.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 04:16:33 pm
Yeah until they go head to head in a debate and Trump calls him something like "Wrong Desantis who is just 5'9'" and wins 100% of the GOP national vote.
DeSantis is quite adept, and won’t have a problem with any of Trumps behaviour.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2022, 04:22:08 pm
DeSantis is quite adept, and won’t have a problem with any of Trumps behaviour.

Same could be said for a lot of the other GOP contenders in 2016 and Trump destroyed them all. Desantis doesn't have the juice to beat the big man if the latter decides to run.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 04:23:49 pm
Is he even the frontrunner for Florida governor at this point. Last poll, he was neck and neck with Crist, before he Inexplicably started illegally trafficking people from Texas to Massachusetts. Apparently the Latino community in Florida wasn't impressed.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 04:28:19 pm
Same could be said for a lot of the other GOP contenders in 2016 and Trump destroyed them all. Desantis doesn't have the juice to beat the big man if the latter decides to run.
I disagree but I guess we’ll find out soon.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 04:29:21 pm
Is he even the frontrunner for Florida governor at this point. Last poll, he was neck and neck with Crist, before he Inexplicably started illegally trafficking people from Texas to Massachusetts. Apparently the Latino community in Florida wasn't impressed.
He’s blowing out Christ.  Regardless, it’s not human trafficking.  It’s not even that when the Biden administration does it.  Nice try though.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 04:50:49 pm
He has had a slight lead, which I understand in Trump speak is a "blowout", but the gap has been closing. Lying to people to ship them from Texas to Massachusetts is trafficking. He's already being investigated, which would be huge news to you if he were Hunter Biden.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 05:00:29 pm
He has had a slight lead, which I understand in Trump speak is a "blowout", but the gap has been closing. Lying to people to ship them from Texas to Massachusetts is trafficking. He's already being investigated, which would be huge news to you if he were Hunter Biden.
He’s up by 7 points.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/governor/florida/
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on September 21, 2022, 05:02:26 pm
He’s up by 7 points.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/governor/florida/

Your link says 6.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 05:05:59 pm
Your link says 6.
Latest poll is 7.  Most average around 6-7 points over the last several weeks, and that includes an outlier of DeSantis up 3. 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 05:38:53 pm
You still haven't explained how luring people with false pretenses and then transporting them across state lines based on those pretenses is not considered human trafficking. I realize you're far too stupid to come up with a coherent response, but could you amuse me by trying?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 06:22:34 pm
You still haven't explained how luring people with false pretenses and then transporting them across state lines based on those pretenses is not considered human trafficking. I realize you're far too stupid to come up with a coherent response, but could you amuse me by trying?
Your premise is false.  But be sure to wake me up when DeSantis is charged. 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 07:59:06 pm
You mean white is black and day is night and Desantis didn't do what he said he did? Good argument! I like how you work within your extreme limitations.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 08:04:28 pm
You mean white is black and day is night and Desantis didn't do what he said he did? Good argument! I like how you work within your extreme limitations.
Like I said, wake me up.  Until then, STFU and get professional help, you’re a clown.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 08:07:02 pm
I love the "get professional help" line whenever you're flummoxed because you can't explain your position and you feel out of your depth. It's gold! Lol
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 08:13:40 pm
I love the "get professional help" line whenever you're flummoxed because you can't explain your position and you feel out of your depth. It's gold! Lol
Just wake me up ok.  I won’t hold my breath.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 08:19:51 pm
It's funny when you can't explain the basic premise of your position. It's almost like you didn't read any deeper than the meme you were repeating. 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 08:23:11 pm
It's funny when you can't explain the basic premise of your position. It's almost like you didn't read any deeper than the meme you were repeating. 😂
Just let me know when he’s charged ok?  🤣
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 08:32:12 pm
Before or after Hunter Biden? 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 21, 2022, 08:33:56 pm
Before or after Hunter Biden? 😂
After Russian collusion. 🤣
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 21, 2022, 09:04:33 pm
You should have quit when you realized you couldn't even write a basic defence of how it wasn't human trafficking. There's no recovering once you can't explain your basic premise. 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on September 22, 2022, 11:18:38 am
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Five days before she knocked on the door of their motel rooms, the woman, who never told them her name, had recruited the migrants to join a secret operation to transport asylum-seekers out of Texas. She had approached them outside San Antonio’s migrant resource center and said she worked for an organization that she did not name. She offered “clandestine flights” to places that she said could not be disclosed until the last minute.

But she promised the destination cities had more resources to help the men, who had just crossed the border after a perilous months-long journey through the Panamanian jungle up through Central America and eventually across the U.S.-Mexico border to Texas towns struggling to accommodate the thousands of people coming in.

“She said there would be work. She said that they would get us there and then there would be help,” said one of the migrants, Pedro Escalona, who had trekked to San Antonio from Venezuela. His asylum hearing was scheduled to take place next month in Washington, D.C., and he hoped to at least get part of the way there.

 Mostly, he said, he just wanted to move forward. The flight to Delaware was his best chance. There would be no flight. The migrants were told the next morning it had been canceled. No reason was given.
...
After the flight was canceled, the recruiters organized a bus to take Escalona and most of the others back from La Quinta to the San Antonio migrant resource center. But some migrants were never told about the bus. They were stranded at the remote hotel roughly 10 miles from the resource center, where migrants can get aid and shelter for a maximum of three days. Gavin Rogers, a pastor at a San Antonio church that helps migrants, said Florida should not have its operatives sending migrants to Martha’s Vineyard — or similar locations — without telling anyone that they are coming.

“When you have this kind of malicious interference, it can be destructive to people’s lives that are seeking asylum,” said Rogers, of the Travis Park Church and Corazón Ministries. “It’s making it harder for nonprofits to do their jobs. These migrants are in desperate situations. We have to treat these individuals with dignity to get them to the places they actually need to go.” “This is politically motivated human trafficking,” he added. “It’s tragic. The burden falls on the people doing good, not the political actors.”


link (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article266089771.html#storylink=cpy)

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 22, 2022, 10:31:37 pm
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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on September 23, 2022, 10:03:07 am
Right wing scum when their human trafficking stunt blows up in their faces:

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 23, 2022, 10:44:14 am
Right wing scum when their human trafficking stunt blows up in their faces:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmQNu_oVkAEz8RU.jpg)
Yes, flying migrants to sanctuary cities is "human trafficking" just like walking around the capital building was an insurrection.  You people are dangerous to society.  Your continued politicization of law enforcement and the justice system is banana republic, authoritarian, practices.  You cheer on law enforcement with more power and influence than the law enforcement you disparage in your other thread.  You're incredible hypocrite, and you only cheer on the more powerful law enforcement because it's targeted at your political enemies.  Move out of this country, you don't belong in a free society that champions equal application of the law.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on September 23, 2022, 10:53:26 am
Yes, flying migrants to sanctuary cities is "human trafficking" just like walking around the capital building was an insurrection. 

Yes. Luring people with false promises of work and housing is coyote stuff, just like storming a building, smashing windows and breaking down doors in order to try and disrupt the democratic process is an insurrection, you dumb fucker.

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You people are dangerous to society.  Your continued politicization of law enforcement and the justice system is banana republic, authoritarian, practices. .

You're the guy who supports using the power of the state to ban books and retaliate against political opponents in private industry, sit your b!tch ass down.

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Move out of this country, you don't belong in a free society that champions equal application of the law

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 24, 2022, 11:25:09 am
Who'd have thought a pathetic human trafficking stunt that only appeals to the most rabid immigrant-hating base might backfire?
Crist ahead by 6 in post-stunt poll. Some "blowout". 😂

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-trails-democrat-charlie-crist-new-poll-after-migrant-flight-1745883
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 24, 2022, 06:23:33 pm
Who'd have thought a pathetic human trafficking stunt that only appeals to the most rabid immigrant-hating base might backfire?
Crist ahead by 6 in post-stunt poll. Some "blowout". 😂

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-trails-democrat-charlie-crist-new-poll-after-migrant-flight-1745883
He didn’t do anything that Biden hasn’t been doing for the last 2 years.  Except that at least Florida’s flights aren’t in the middle of the night. 😂
DeSantis is going to win easily, despite your outlier poll.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 24, 2022, 06:30:00 pm
....whatabout...Biden. maybe he illegally trafficked people as a stunt too. Could have happened.... 😢
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on September 25, 2022, 12:45:46 pm
He didn’t do anything that Biden hasn’t been doing for the last 2 years.  Except that at least Florida’s flights aren’t in the middle of the night. 😂.

Even you’re not actually retarded enough to believe this.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 25, 2022, 02:05:11 pm
"What does it say about his character---and the character of the Republican Party---that they would celebrate and fundraise off that act of cruelty and dehumanization?" - Gavin Newsom
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 29, 2022, 10:28:59 pm
Desantis is begging Biden for help despite voting against federal help for victims of Hurricane Sandy? How come anti-government conservatives are so quick to change their spots when they find out they desperately need government help, and then switch back again when someone else needs that help?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on September 30, 2022, 01:05:40 pm
Democrats are upset about migrants sent north because “there won’t be anyone to pick crops”!

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 30, 2022, 01:29:10 pm
It's true that migrants are important to the farming economy.
These people weren't illegal immigrants. Why is it important to you to not treat them like human beings?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on September 30, 2022, 01:37:48 pm
You just can't fool Trumpers though. THey've caught on that the hurricane was created by the deep state to punish DiSantis. How did they figure it out?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1575874385948598272
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: wilber on September 30, 2022, 02:39:46 pm
You just can't fool Trumpers though. THey've caught on that the hurricane was created by the deep state to punish DiSantis. How did they figure it out?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1575874385948598272

Are people really that stupid, or just that dishonest. You can't tell with this bunch.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: wilber on September 30, 2022, 02:41:24 pm
Democrats are upset about migrants sent north because “there won’t be anyone to pick crops”!

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Sounds like farmers were upset. Anyhoo, there probably won't be much to pick after Ian.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 01, 2022, 01:46:58 pm
At their core, Democrats are as racist as it gets.  Whether it’s migrants to pick crops, or basing hurricane relief on people’s skin colour.

DeSantis team corrects Kamala's misinformation after she claimed people of color are first in line for hurricane relief
https://thepostmillennial.com/desantis-team-corrects-kamalas-misinformation-after-she-claimed-people-of-color-are-first-in-line-for-hurricane-relief?fbclid=IwAR3eobC8OxCOWhDMdaVf9CzzopD3oGn1-b3TpVbFuNjKqxOD9c4pC1vs-7s
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 02, 2022, 10:14:01 am
At their core, Democrats are as racist as it gets.  Whether it’s migrants to pick crops, or basing hurricane relief on people’s skin colour.

DeSantis team corrects Kamala's misinformation after she claimed people of color are first in line for hurricane relief
https://thepostmillennial.com/desantis-team-corrects-kamalas-misinformation-after-she-claimed-people-of-color-are-first-in-line-for-hurricane-relief?fbclid=IwAR3eobC8OxCOWhDMdaVf9CzzopD3oGn1-b3TpVbFuNjKqxOD9c4pC1vs-7s

First congrats on figuring out that you can paste links! At this rate we'll have you using the actual link function by 2026. You're still retarded for reading The Post Millennial though.

Second: it's fascinating to see the right wing human centipede in action. Here you have the VP (a dolt, to be sure) saying something sensible and uncontroversial (disaster relief should go to those in greatest need), a random rage bait Twitter account picking it up and distorting the claim, the governor's PR flunky performing outrage over the distortion and a whole bunch of brain-damaged halfwits like Elon Musk amplifying the outrage until the last turd is finally passed to your eager mouth.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 02, 2022, 11:10:09 am
First congrats on figuring out that you can paste links! At this rate we'll have you using the actual link function by 2026. You're still retarded for reading The Post Millennial though.

Second: it's fascinating to see the right wing human centipede in action. Here you have the VP (a dolt, to be sure) saying something sensible and uncontroversial (disaster relief should go to those in greatest need), a random rage bait Twitter account picking it up and distorting the claim, the governor's PR flunky performing outrage over the distortion and a whole bunch of brain-damaged halfwits like Elon Musk amplifying the outrage until the last turd is finally passed to your eager mouth.
Incorrect.  She said the opposite of aid going to those in the greatest need.  She said it would be based on skin colour.  That’s grotesque and so are you.  Believe it or not, there are Black people in Florida that are well off, and unaffected by the hurricane.  There are some that are not, and need aid.  There are people of all colours, etc, that require different levels of aid depending on how the hurricane affected them, not based on the colour of their skin or their ethnicity.  You guys are racist pieces of garbage, intend on pitting people against each other based on your perverted notions of equity.  Stop it already.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 02, 2022, 04:38:34 pm
Incorrect.  She said the opposite of aid going to those in the greatest need.  She said it would be based on skin colour. That’s grotesque and so are you.

Your mom must have f**ked the stupidest pig on the farm to end up with a retarded hog like you.

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"It is our lowest income communities and our communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme conditions and impacted by issues that are not of their own making."
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on October 04, 2022, 06:26:23 pm
Ron will need to overcompensate with another Top Gun ad after getting photographed in his kicky, non-binary white rubber boots. (Don't say gay!)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 04, 2022, 07:03:39 pm
Your mom must have f**ked the stupidest pig on the farm to end up with a retarded hog like you.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 04, 2022, 07:04:05 pm
Ron will need to overcompensate with another Top Gun ad after getting photographed in his kicky, non-binary white rubber boots. (Don't say gay!)
Ron’s gonna cruise to victory.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 04, 2022, 07:19:52 pm
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Coming back on a post calling you a retarded hog with the sound of a pig's squeal is a pretty good self-own, good job dipshit.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 05, 2022, 11:49:07 am
Anyway, DeSantis's coyote has been id'd.

Mysterious ‘Perla,’ now identified, may be in legal jeopardy in migrant case
 (https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2022/10/04/perla-huerta-identified-legal-issues-migrant-case/)

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Several of the migrants said that the woman — previously known only by her first name — solicited them for charter flights out of Texas with promises of housing and jobs. On Monday, The New York Times identified her as Perla Huerta, a former combat medic and counterintelligence agent who was recently discharged after two decades in the U.S. Army.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 05, 2022, 12:06:31 pm
Anyway, DeSantis's coyote has been id'd.

Mysterious ‘Perla,’ now identified, may be in legal jeopardy in migrant case
 (https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2022/10/04/perla-huerta-identified-legal-issues-migrant-case/)
😂😂😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 05, 2022, 01:26:56 pm
😂😂😂

Boomer emojis again?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 05, 2022, 10:34:37 pm
Extremely funny watching that fat manlet DeSantis grovel before his leige lord Brandon over hurricane aid. Cutting 2024 campaign ads for the Dems already.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeWVxJFXwAADTDt?format=jpg&name=medium)

lol
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 06, 2022, 08:27:07 am
Extremely funny watching that fat manlet DeSantis grovel before his leige lord Brandon over hurricane aid. Cutting 2024 campaign ads for the Dems already.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeWVxJFXwAADTDt?format=jpg&name=medium)

lol
I liked it better when DeSantis was speaking in front of the presidential seal.  A sigh of things to come! 😂

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 06, 2022, 12:25:55 pm
FYI:

DeSantis graduated from Yale University, he went to Harvard Law School, he earned a commission in the U.S. Navy as a JAG officer. He was a federal prosecutor where he targeted and convicted child predators. He still serves in the United States Reserve.

Now do Joe Biden.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on October 06, 2022, 12:37:51 pm
  do Joe Biden.

...ew
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 06, 2022, 01:29:41 pm
FYI:

DeSantis graduated from Yale University, he went to Harvard Law School, he earned a commission in the U.S. Navy as a JAG officer. He was a federal prosecutor where he targeted and convicted child predators. He still serves in the United States Reserve.


Real man of the people lol.

Anyway he's still a fat manlet with the charisma of a wad of old chewing gum.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 06, 2022, 01:51:24 pm
Real man of the people lol.

Anyway he's still a fat manlet with the charisma of a wad of old chewing gum.
hE'S fAt!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 06, 2022, 02:44:54 pm
hE'S fAt!

And short.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 06, 2022, 03:23:05 pm
And short.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 06, 2022, 03:23:54 pm
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 06, 2022, 03:39:56 pm
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He’s a stupid idiot face too isn’t he!? 😂
You’re a weak mind with weak arguments.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on October 06, 2022, 03:49:00 pm
Nice white boots though.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 06, 2022, 05:23:31 pm
He’s a stupid idiot face too isn’t he!? 😂
You’re a weak mind with weak arguments.

If I wanted to hear from you, I'd enter a hog-calling contest, pig.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 07, 2022, 11:56:37 am
When liberals finally feel the repercussions of their s****y policies. 😂

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 07, 2022, 11:59:00 am
Cope and seethe domestic chicken hawks!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 13, 2022, 02:04:23 pm
LOOOOLLLLL

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A Texas sheriff has certified that the nearly 50 migrants flown to Martha’s Vineyard by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis were victims of a crime. That certification is a key step in qualifying them for a special visa they would not have otherwise been eligible for.

Texas’ Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar expeditiously signed certification forms for all of the migrants, according to Boston-based immigration attorney Rachel Self, who went down to San Antonio to obtain the paperwork.

"Based upon the claims of migrants being transported from Bexar County under false pretenses, we are investigating this case as possible Unlawful Restraint," Salazar
said in a statement to GBH News. "We have submitted documentation through the federal system to ensure the migrants’ availability as witnesses during the investigation."

LINK (https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/10/13/texas-sheriff-certifies-the-marthas-vineyard-migrants-are-crime-victims-opening-the-door-for-special-visas)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 13, 2022, 02:15:13 pm
LOOOOLLLLL

LINK (https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/10/13/texas-sheriff-certifies-the-marthas-vineyard-migrants-are-crime-victims-opening-the-door-for-special-visas)
It’s funny that you fall for this kind of click bait.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 13, 2022, 02:25:17 pm
It’s funny that you fall for this kind of click bait.

You post crap from the Post Millennial you **** loser, go kill yourself.

Here's (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/13/transported-migrants-may-be-on-a-path-to-citizenship-because-of-desantis-flights-00061671) another source for you, you half with shitbag.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 13, 2022, 02:51:37 pm
You post crap from the Post Millennial you **** loser, go kill yourself.

Here's (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/13/transported-migrants-may-be-on-a-path-to-citizenship-because-of-desantis-flights-00061671) another source for you, you half with shitbag.
The Post Millennial just pulls stories from the Associated Press, etc.  Your source is a joke.  You first face f**k.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 13, 2022, 02:55:10 pm
The Post Millennial just pulls stories from the Associated Press, etc.  Your source is a joke.  You first face f**k.

Prove it or politico, which is also carrying the story, wrong then. Or just jump off a bridge IDGAF.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 13, 2022, 03:57:14 pm
Here's (https://www.aclum.org/en/news/aclu-represents-nine-people-flown-marthas-vineyard) the statement from the ACLU of Massachusetts:

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The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office has signed U visa certifications for all of the 49 migrants flown to Martha’s Vineyard on September 14. A U visa certification will allow all people on the flights to apply for status in the United States under a provision of law that protects victims of crime and encourages their cooperation with law enforcement.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 13, 2022, 05:08:24 pm
Here's (https://www.aclum.org/en/news/aclu-represents-nine-people-flown-marthas-vineyard) the statement from the ACLU of Massachusetts:
Wow, big f**king deal.  You keep us updated though.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 13, 2022, 05:12:33 pm
Wow, big f**king deal.  You keep us updated though.

You went from "buhhhh fake news" to "buhhhh who cares" in record time fuckface.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 13, 2022, 05:14:27 pm
You went from "buhhhh fake news" to "buhhhh who cares" in record time fuckface.
No, it’s still just meaningless click bait.  But I’m not going to waste my time arguing about it, because it’s a huge nothing burger.  But knock yourself out though.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 13, 2022, 05:30:23 pm
No, it’s still just meaningless click bait.  But I’m not going to waste my time arguing about it, because it’s a huge nothing burger.  But knock yourself out though.

Oh and now you're going from "LOL what an amazing stunt to own the libs, Desantis is a genius" to "buhhh what a nothingburger" when the stunt has blown up. What a loser.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 13, 2022, 05:36:40 pm
Oh and now you're going from "LOL what an amazing stunt to own the libs, Desantis is a genius" to "buhhh what a nothingburger" when the stunt has blown up. What a loser.
Texas has been flying and busing migrants for months.  Where has this sheriff and the ACLU been?  So has the federal government.  So they only care when DeSantis does it?  Congratulations on your click bait. 👍
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 13, 2022, 06:09:48 pm
Texas has been flying and busing migrants for months.  Where has this sheriff and the ACLU been?  So has the federal government.  So they only care when DeSantis does it?  Congratulations on your click bait. 👍

This is the first time a state kidnapped asylum seekers from another state, dipshit.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on October 13, 2022, 06:15:35 pm
You're allowed to transport migrants; you're not allowed to trick them and transport them across state lines under false pretenses.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 13, 2022, 06:23:36 pm
You're allowed to transport migrants; you're not allowed to trick them and transport them across state lines under false pretenses.
That’s not what happened, but you keep me updated as well!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 13, 2022, 06:26:22 pm
That’s not what happened, but you keep me updated as well!

That's exactly what happened, fuckface. Do we need to go back to the start and explain it?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 13, 2022, 06:39:03 pm
That's exactly what happened, fuckface. Do we need to go back to the start and explain it?
Nope, it’s what happened according to your far left immigration advocacy group you cited.  Keep me posted though! 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on October 13, 2022, 07:14:47 pm
It's according to the people who were transported.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 21, 2022, 08:10:03 pm
DeSantis now up 11 points in re-election.
https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/political-poll-governor

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 27, 2022, 08:30:10 pm
DeSantis surges to 14 point lead!

DeSantis leading Crist by 14 points in Florida governor race: survey
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3704553-desantis-leading-crist-by-14-points-in-florida-governor-race-survey/amp/
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 28, 2022, 09:39:17 am
DeSantis surges to 14 point lead!

DeSantis leading Crist by 14 points in Florida governor race: survey
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3704553-desantis-leading-crist-by-14-points-in-florida-governor-race-survey/amp/

What do you expect from a state full of retarded hillbillies. I meran:

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The new poll also found one-third of respondents said voter fraud affecting the outcome of a race happens less than 1 percent of the time, while a slight majority of respondents, 54 percent, said they believe it happens more frequently.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 28, 2022, 10:46:27 am
What do you expect from a state full of retarded hillbillies. I meran:
Your the only retarded hillbilly ‘round here.
DeSantis is getting such strong support from Hispanics that he’s probably going to win Miami-Dade county which is a Democrat stronghold.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 28, 2022, 11:15:05 am
Whoops!

Quote
One of the “subject matter experts” set to testify in favor of a Florida proposal to ban lifesaving gender-affirming health care for trans youth has been quietly removed from the state’s list of witnesses after his public advocacy for **** circulated online ahead of his testimony.

On October 28, the Florida Board of Medicine will hold a hearing over proposed standards of care for the treatment of gender dysphoria that go against the guidance of several major medical associations. But Dr. James Cantor was recently scrubbed from the hearing’s agenda after it was revealed that he serves as a board member for Prostasia and has advocated for **** to be included under the LGBTQ umbrella.
...
Cantor is a psychologist and neuroscientist who has “been engaged in sex research, teaching, writing, and training new scientists, for over 25 years,” according to his website. His work has a large focus on pedophilia, and he is a board member for Prostasia.

The Prostasia Foundation is a group that has actively worked to normalize pedophilia and campaigned against banning sex dolls that resemble children. It has also hosted a “MAP Support Club” for “minor attracted people,” an acronym considered less stigmatizing than the term ****.

“Expert” formerly slated to testify in favor of Florida ban on trans health care once called to include a “P” for **** in LGBTQ
 (https://www.mediamatters.org/gays-against-groomers/florida-expert-formerly-slated-testify-favor-trans-health-care-ban-once)

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 28, 2022, 11:26:53 am
Whoops!

“Expert” formerly slated to testify in favor of Florida ban on trans health care once called to include a “P” for **** in LGBTQ
 (https://www.mediamatters.org/gays-against-groomers/florida-expert-formerly-slated-testify-favor-trans-health-care-ban-once)
Media Matters! 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 28, 2022, 11:43:49 am
Media Matters! 😂

OK paedo.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on October 28, 2022, 01:04:38 pm
Your the only retarded hillbilly ‘round here.
Speaking of betting, I bet you're not smart enough to catch the irony in that statement. 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 28, 2022, 01:34:16 pm
Speaking of betting, I bet you're not smart enough to catch the irony in that statement. 😂
You mean the satire?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on October 28, 2022, 02:04:51 pm
True. It's always been a question of whether you're a retarded idiot or a parody of a retarded idiot intended to make Trumpers look stupid
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 28, 2022, 02:20:22 pm
True. It's always been a question of whether you're a retarded idiot or a parody of a retarded idiot intended to make Trumpers look stupid
It’s funny that it all goes over your head! 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 28, 2022, 02:29:25 pm
It’s funny that it all goes over your head! 😂

You every day on here:

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/738/025/db0.jpg)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 28, 2022, 02:42:33 pm
You every day on here:

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/738/025/db0.jpg)
Nice meme there boomer.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 28, 2022, 02:50:36 pm
Nice meme there boomer.

Hey man you should check this (https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html) out.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 28, 2022, 02:51:17 pm
Hey man you should check this (https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html) out.
Nah.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 28, 2022, 02:53:41 pm
Nah.

Yeah you're right, they shouldn't waste taxpayer resources on euthanizing you when your all-lead paint chip diet will do that soon enough. Shame it's taking so long.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on October 28, 2022, 03:03:23 pm
Yeah you're right, they shouldn't waste taxpayer resources on euthanizing you when your all-lead paint chip diet will do that soon enough. Shame it's taking so long.
Day drinking huh?  Well, I guess it’s Friday.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on November 07, 2022, 11:30:04 am
Check his harddrive and his phone messages.

Ron DeSantis Accused of Attending Drinking Party With Students At High School Where He Taught (https://hillreporter.com/exclusive-pic-ron-desantis-accused-of-attending-drinking-party-with-students-at-high-school-where-he-taught-115220)

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After college and before law school, Ron DeSantis spent a year teaching history at a high school in Georgia. According to a source with close knowledge of the matter, during that time he was photographed partying with underaged students.

I'm not saying he's a paedo but you know damn well he's spent time complaining about age of consent laws.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 07, 2022, 07:15:13 pm
Democrats have been so bad, and gone so woke, that they’ve turned Miami-Dade, a Democrat stronghold, into a possible DeSantis county. 

Miami-Dade County Was Once a Lock for Democrats. Not Anymore.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/us/florida-miami-democrats-midterms.html
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 07:23:58 pm
DeSantis cruises to a massive 15 point victory! 🥳
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 08:01:08 pm
DeSantis cruises to a massive 15 point victory! 🥳

Taking a break from riding Elon’s dick to hop on little Ron’s. What a pathetic little suck up you are.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: kimmy on November 08, 2022, 09:21:33 pm
Democrats have been so bad, and gone so woke, that they’ve turned Miami-Dade, a Democrat stronghold, into a possible DeSantis county. 

You know I hate the wokies as much as anybody and more than most, but this is not about wokeness.

People are fucken mad about the economy, and when people are fucken mad about the economy, the governing party always pays the price.

 -k
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on November 08, 2022, 09:30:06 pm
The last time an incumbent governor lost a re-election bid in Florida was 1991. The Dems ran a former Republican against him ffs!  They’ve basically written off the whole state.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 08, 2022, 09:49:40 pm
You know I hate the wokies as much as anybody and more than most, but this is not about wokeness.

People are fucken mad about the economy, and when people are fucken mad about the economy, the governing party always pays the price.

 -k
Very true.  They’re also made about crime and covid restrictions, especially when it comes to schools.  Florida used to be a swing state.  It’s not anymore.  I’ve never seen a governor win an election in Florida by 20 points.  Ever.  It’s unheard of.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on November 08, 2022, 10:26:25 pm
Classy and very democratic of Trump to say he'll reveal shlt about him if he dares to try to run for president. Not surprising at all though.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on November 09, 2022, 04:10:12 am
Classy and very democratic of Trump to say he'll reveal shlt about him if he dares to try to run for president. Not surprising at all though.
I certainly hope the 2 of them end up in a huge political brawl that tears the republican party apart.

They deserve it. After pledging allegiance to a racist con-artist who couldn't win an election without Russian assistance, republicans should have taken the high-road and distanced themselves from Trump at the first opportunity. (They had 2 impeachments that would have done the job.) But they stuck with him.

Then they lost the senate during the 2020 elections (seen as partly due to Trump's involvement). The 2022 midterms are not going as well for the republicans as expected... many of Trump's endorsed candidates are losing, and republicans have complained that millions of dollars that Trump has collected via his various political groups weren't used to support congressional candidates. (Well duh... he's a egotistical con-artist... what did you think he was going to do with the money?)

Seeing Stubby McBonespurs and Deathsantis going at each other like Ren and Stimpy might just weaken both candidates and help democracy survive. Trump has his MAGAchud cult, Deathsantis supposedly has more mainstream republicans who are probably in a panic at the thought that Trump might pout and take his ball home, and burn everything to the ground on his way out.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 09, 2022, 05:18:19 am
Pretty clear that the strategy is to make unimportant social issues into platforms and ignore things like economic disparity and especially disunity.

It might work as long as FOX dominates news coverage.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 09, 2022, 07:15:33 am
It’s pretty clear now that DeSantis is the unofficial leader of the Republican Party.  His victory was historic, winning counties that are traditionally Democrat strongholds, and doing well with Black and Hispanic voters.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 09, 2022, 08:32:30 am
It’s pretty clear now that DeSantis is the unofficial leader of the Republican Party.  His victory was historic, winning counties that are traditionally Democrat strongholds, and doing well with Black and Hispanic voters.

I guess ?  This likely means Donnie will go after him guns-a-blazin' tho
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 09, 2022, 08:46:38 am
I guess ?  This likely means Donnie will go after him guns-a-blazin' tho
Most likely.  I think DeSantis is smart enough to dismiss it and focus on campaigning.  Plus, most Trump supporters like DeSantis, so I’m not sure that strategy will work the way it did in 2016.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on November 09, 2022, 08:59:50 am
Depends on what dirt Trump has. Could be pretty good.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on November 09, 2022, 09:12:16 am
Pretty clear that the strategy is to make unimportant social issues into platforms and ignore things like economic disparity and especially disunity.

It might work as long as FOX dominates news coverage.
What, you mean that Republicans screeching about "critical race theory" (something that Republicans probably can't understand, much less define) and pointing out the horror of the evil brown people coming across the border (even though Florida doesn't share a border with mexico) are "unimportant issues"?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on November 09, 2022, 11:37:39 am
No doubt Desantis made inroads with Latinos, including conservative gusanos, but I'd like to see a shred of evidence he did well with Black voters.
He doesn't have to do well with black voters. He just has to suppress their votes enough.

(Remember the stunt they played with ex-felons... a group where black males are disproportionally represented. In a referendum florida voters said they should have voting rights restored. So the republicans in the state changed the rules to have released felons re-classified based on whether they had paid some fees.... and then wouldn't tell a bunch of them how much they owed.)

My hope... Deathsantis will have is little fiefdom in Florida (because Florida be cray-cray). Republicans will think he's the next greatest thing in politics because of his success in Florida, but when he tries to run for president he gets rejected in a general election because the rest of the country recognizes him for the hard-right blowhard that he is.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 09, 2022, 12:21:40 pm
He doesn't have to do well with black voters. He just has to suppress their votes enough.

(Remember the stunt they played with ex-felons... a group where black males are disproportionally represented. In a referendum florida voters said they should have voting rights restored. So the republicans in the state changed the rules to have released felons re-classified based on whether they had paid some fees.... and then wouldn't tell a bunch of them how much they owed.)

My hope... Deathsantis will have is little fiefdom in Florida (because Florida be cray-cray). Republicans will think he's the next greatest thing in politics because of his success in Florida, but when he tries to run for president he gets rejected in a general election because the rest of the country recognizes him for the hard-right blowhard that he is.
DeSantis has national appeal.  Much more so than any Democrat.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on November 09, 2022, 01:23:16 pm
Only if you're a far-right wannabe frat-boy.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 09, 2022, 01:37:19 pm
Only if you're a far-right wannabe frat-boy.
Nah.  Mainly if you enjoy freedom.  That’s why so many people are moving from New York and California to Florida.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on November 09, 2022, 01:41:00 pm
Wouldn't be the first time this has happened. Remember Scott Walker? The thing about RDS is, you watch the guy speak and he's got negative charisma. He's got JV basketball team waterboy energy.And of course, he's bereft of any policy ideas beyond "call everything woke" and i just don't think that plays on the national stage.
And something else to consider...

The opponent for Deathsantis was Crist, who had been a former Republican turned Democrat. You have to wonder if that might have been a turn-off for a few potential Democratic voters... "Why vote at all if the choice is between a Republican fascist and Republican-lite... one calorie, not fascist enough". (Crist has chanced many of his policies since he was a republican, but some might think it makes him sort of bandwagon opportunist.)

I am sure that's not the only reason the republicans won, but its also a reason they should be skeptical about using it as a measure of how popular Deathsantis is overall.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 09, 2022, 01:55:16 pm
And something else to consider...

The opponent for Deathsantis was Crist, who had been a former Republican turned Democrat. You have to wonder if that might have been a turn-off for a few potential Democratic voters... "Why vote at all if the choice is between a Republican fascist and Republican-lite... one calorie, not fascist enough". (Crist has chanced many of his policies since he was a republican, but some might think it makes him sort of bandwagon opportunist.)

I am sure that's not the only reason the republicans won, but its also a reason they should be skeptical about using it as a measure of how popular Deathsantis is overall.
Complete and utter nonsense.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on November 09, 2022, 02:01:33 pm
Some polling information...

Granted, a lot can change between now and the 2024 election. (And we still don't know if Stubby Mcbonespurs will be running, or instead spending time in court or better yet prison). But in various head-to-head matchups:

From: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

Oct 11: Desantis beats Newsom by 2
Sep 7: Harris beats Desantis by 3
Sep 7: Biden beats Desantis by 5
Aug 31: Biden beats Desantis by 5
Aug 19: Biden beats Desantis by 23
Aug 18: Biden beats Desantis by between 1 and 21 points (depending on the poll)
July 28: Biden beats Desantis by between 3 and 4 points (depending on the poll)
July 27: Harris beats Desantis by 1

(The dates are for the start date of the polls)

So the only person Desantis could in theory beat at this time is Newsom (Gov. of California), who at this time doesn't seem to have a very big national profile. He loses to Biden in every poll going back to mid-summer (despite the fact that Biden's approval rating is below 50%). He even loses to Harris (who is widely seen as a disappointment as VP.)



Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on November 09, 2022, 02:04:22 pm
Anyway I don't think Desantis has the juice to be a viable national candidate, but President Brandon should have the CIA assassinate him anyway, just in case.
Couldn't the FBI just plant some fake classified documents on him and get him arrested?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 09, 2022, 02:07:28 pm
Some polling information...

Granted, a lot can change between now and the 2024 election. (And we still don't know if Stubby Mcbonespurs will be running, or instead spending time in court or better yet prison). But in various head-to-head matchups:

From: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

Oct 11: Desantis beats Newsom by 2
Sep 7: Harris beats Desantis by 3
Sep 7: Biden beats Desantis by 5
Aug 31: Biden beats Desantis by 5
Aug 19: Biden beats Desantis by 23
Aug 18: Biden beats Desantis by between 1 and 21 points (depending on the poll)
July 28: Biden beats Desantis by between 3 and 4 points (depending on the poll)
July 27: Harris beats Desantis by 1

(The dates are for the start date of the polls)

So the only person Desantis could in theory beat at this time is Newsom (Gov. of California), who at this time doesn't seem to have a very big national profile. He loses to Biden in every poll going back to mid-summer (despite the fact that Biden's approval rating is below 50%). He even loses to Harris (who is widely seen as a disappointment as VP.)
These are completely meaningless. 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on November 09, 2022, 02:16:35 pm
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Couldn't the FBI just plant some fake classified documents on him and get him arrested?
Nah do him like they did Bobby Kennedy.
I don't know... sounds pretty 1960s to me. You have to change with the times.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on November 22, 2022, 05:24:00 pm
Huh how about that.

Florida prosecutors drop case against Tampa man accused by Gov. DeSantis of voter fraud
 (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article269063647.html#storylink=cpy)
Deathsantis can't be worried about that, when he has immigration problems to waste money on!

From: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article268914087.html
Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has so far paid more than $1.56 million to a politically connected contractor for a program to fly migrants from Texas to northeastern states...Florida-based Vertol Systems Company, was quoted a total price of roughly $153,000...That leaves about $1.4 million in Florida taxpayer funds unaccounted for.

Yet somehow republicans like to claim that they are someone the ones to control wasteful government spending.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 22, 2022, 05:27:38 pm
Deathsantis can't be worried about that, when he has immigration problems to waste money on!

From: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article268914087.html
Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has so far paid more than $1.56 million to a politically connected contractor for a program to fly migrants from Texas to northeastern states...Florida-based Vertol Systems Company, was quoted a total price of roughly $153,000...That leaves about $1.4 million in Florida taxpayer funds unaccounted for.

Yet somehow republicans like to claim that they are someone the ones to control wasteful government spending.
Wait till you find out that Trudeau spent $54 million dollars on an app! 😂
Now you care about tax payers huh? 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 29, 2022, 01:18:36 pm
Wait till you find out that Trudeau spent $54 million dollars on an app! 😂
Now you care about tax payers huh? 😂

Side issue... I'm really really curious how much they spend on the CRA app.  Mostly because it's important and it works.

My assumption:

It's 100% contractors, possibly offshore too.
They pay through the nose.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 29, 2022, 01:21:11 pm

Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has so far paid more than $1.56 million to a politically connected contractor for a program to fly migrants from Texas to northeastern states.

I don't like how the $ is the primary thing reported on here, not the fact that he is harassing and kidnapping people based on the idea that they're hateable dirty foreigners that he believes his voters just HATE. 

Anybody who disagrees on the moral depravity of this please provide a parallel example of cruel showmanship from Democrats, Liberals or actual leftish political entities...
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on November 29, 2022, 01:33:59 pm


Anybody who disagrees on the moral depravity of this please provide a parallel example of cruel showmanship from Democrats, Liberals or actual leftish political entities...
That would suggest whataboutisms actually work. It would still be immoral even if leftish political entities did it too.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 29, 2022, 02:26:24 pm
That would suggest whataboutisms actually work. It would still be immoral even if leftish political entities did it too.

I guess it's not fair because Dems don't tend to trade in cruelty ... but aren't there limits to this stuff ? 

Or are there ?

If DeSantis had had those families beaten and thrown back over the border would that be cool ?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 29, 2022, 03:11:37 pm
The main difference is Republicans bask in the cruelty whereas Dems are like "sawwy, so sawwy" when they bomb/coup/imprison.

Well... Obama killed a 16-year old US citizen and nobody much cared, and the Dems didn't brag about it.

And the Repubs are sponsoring same sex marriage and nobody cares much...

So it's kind of role playing...
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 29, 2022, 05:40:12 pm
I love that libtards are now big fans of and defending monopolistic practices because DeSantis speaks out against it.  You guys are too f**king funny, as usual.  Just make sure to take the clown makeup off your faces before you go to bed!  😂🤡
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on November 29, 2022, 06:37:30 pm
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 30, 2022, 12:14:57 pm
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on December 01, 2022, 12:01:30 am
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Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has so far paid more than $1.56 million to a politically connected contractor for a program to fly migrants from Texas to northeastern states.
I don't like how the $ is the primary thing reported on here, not the fact that he is harassing and kidnapping people based on the idea that they're hateable dirty foreigners that he believes his voters just HATE. 
I agree... there were so many other bigger issues (harassing, kidnapping, etc.) than just the amount wasted/stolen. However:

1) The issues of kidnapping, etc. have been discussed in many other articles. I don't think there is anything wrong with one or 2 discussing the financial mismanagement angle of his stunt

2) Consider the position of the MAGAchud... they don't care about human rights, but they DO care about money. The republicans are supposedly the party of "fiscal responsibility" and "sound business management". (At least they like to pretend that they are, even though we know they aren't)  Pointing out how they just wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars on their little stunt highlights the fact that not only do they fail at basic humanity, but they also fail at the one thing they are supposed to be good at


Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on December 01, 2022, 12:20:03 am
An interesting article about Deathsantis and his "personality"...

From: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/ron-desantis-awkward-trump-2024/672292/
Governor Ron DeSantis has a growing store of admirers.... They have heard glowing things...This has made DeSantis the GOP’s hottest molecule. He is full MAGA without the high drama.
...
People who know him better and have watched him longer are skeptical of his ability to take on the former president....He can be awkward and plodding. And Trump tends to eviscerate guys like that....“He was standoffish in general,” the Virginia Republican Barbara Comstock, a former House colleague of DeSantis’s, told me. “A strange no-eye-contact oddball,” Rick Wilson, a Republican media consultant, wrote...“I think he is going to run into some challenges,” Carlos Curbelo, a former Republican congressman from Florida who served with DeSantis in the House, told me. “It’s that question... ‘Would you want to have a beer with him?’’’ ... Will he grow on voters like a catchy song, or like mold? DeSantis “has this robotic quality that he has to shed...” “On a debate stage, all of Trump’s strengths go straight to DeSantis’s weaknesses,” Stipanovich told me. Trump has energy and presence; DeSantis “is dour and doesn’t improvise particularly well.”
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 01, 2022, 08:55:50 am
An interesting article about Deathsantis and his "personality"...

From: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/ron-desantis-awkward-trump-2024/672292/
Governor Ron DeSantis has a growing store of admirers.... They have heard glowing things...This has made DeSantis the GOP’s hottest molecule. He is full MAGA without the high drama.
...
People who know him better and have watched him longer are skeptical of his ability to take on the former president....He can be awkward and plodding. And Trump tends to eviscerate guys like that....“He was standoffish in general,” the Virginia Republican Barbara Comstock, a former House colleague of DeSantis’s, told me. “A strange no-eye-contact oddball,” Rick Wilson, a Republican media consultant, wrote...“I think he is going to run into some challenges,” Carlos Curbelo, a former Republican congressman from Florida who served with DeSantis in the House, told me. “It’s that question... ‘Would you want to have a beer with him?’’’ ... Will he grow on voters like a catchy song, or like mold? DeSantis “has this robotic quality that he has to shed...” “On a debate stage, all of Trump’s strengths go straight to DeSantis’s weaknesses,” Stipanovich told me. Trump has energy and presence; DeSantis “is dour and doesn’t improvise particularly well.”

Lol.  Their source is Rick Wilson, the grifter over at the Lincoln Project.  This article is meaningless.  If you want to know how Floridians feel about DeSantis, just look at the election results.  A 20 point victory.  Case closed.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on December 01, 2022, 09:17:16 am
You're still mad at the Lincoln Project for being disloyal to Trump?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 01, 2022, 09:36:20 am
You're still mad at the Lincoln Project for being disloyal to Trump?
Not at all.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: waldo on December 16, 2022, 10:54:49 am
GOP front-runner! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1584697057306382336/pu/vid/640x640/1f1DDpsYdG04QKYx.mp4?tag=12)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 11:02:13 am
GOP front-runner! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1584697057306382336/pu/vid/640x640/1f1DDpsYdG04QKYx.mp4?tag=12)
The next great Ronald president!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on December 16, 2022, 11:02:59 am
The next great Ronald president!
I was unaware of President McDonald.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: waldo on December 16, 2022, 11:59:31 am
July, 2021 DeSantis says (https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1603230017567313920/vid/1280x720/RTfy9ANrVjdn7Uar.mp4?tag=14), "If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from covid is effectively zero."

Dec, 2022 DeSantis:

(https://i.imgur.com/Q8SnlPH.gif)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 16, 2022, 12:08:55 pm
July, 2021 DeSantis says (https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1603230017567313920/vid/1280x720/RTfy9ANrVjdn7Uar.mp4?tag=14), "If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from covid is effectively zero."

Dec, 2022 DeSantis:

(https://i.imgur.com/Q8SnlPH.gif)
And?  Both things are true.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on December 19, 2022, 05:49:02 am
Grand Jury to investigate medical concerns?

Ah... No.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on February 03, 2023, 07:41:00 am
DiSantis wants high school students to be legally obligated to report their menstrual history to the government. Because freedom.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-schools-ask-student-athletes-menstrual-history-parents-worry-p-rcna50794
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on February 04, 2023, 08:04:04 am
Free speech is not freedom to speak on private property or in a privately owned forum where you're not invited. It is freedom from government oppression for your speech, like what Ron Disantis is doing to Disney.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/desantis-calls-special-session
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on February 05, 2023, 06:05:53 am
What is this guy's "want"?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on February 05, 2023, 06:09:12 am
DiSantis wants high school students to be legally obligated to report their menstrual history to the government. Because freedom.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-schools-ask-student-athletes-menstrual-history-parents-worry-p-rcna50794


Insanity.

I wish transgender athletes never were allowed to compete in women's sports, which is absolutely insane.  However, the idea of violating women like this is just wrong.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 05, 2023, 09:55:14 am
What is this guy's "want"?

Anti woke via government.  And POTUS
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 05, 2023, 10:43:41 am
DiSantis wants high school students to be legally obligated to report their menstrual history to the government. Because freedom.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-schools-ask-student-athletes-menstrual-history-parents-worry-p-rcna50794
Please stop with your disinformation.  If you want to feign outrage, please direct it to the 40+ states that currently require female athletes do this.  It’s amazing how gullible dumb people are, especially when they see something that reinforces their bias.  [attachimg=1]

AP fact check.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on February 05, 2023, 02:53:01 pm
Anti woke via government.  And POTUS

That's it?

Squelch opinions isn't exactly a grand vision for the country...
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on February 06, 2023, 09:03:03 am
So Ron DeathSentance is now talking about gas stoves...

From: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/3841563-desantis-keeps-heat-on-gas-stoves-issue-proposing-tax-exemption/
...(DeSantis) called for a permanent sales tax exemption for gas stoves....After a federal regulator floated the idea of a gas ban or regulations, Republicans embraced the gas stoves issue as part of a larger culture war narrative
...
Studies have found that gas stoves can contain hazardous air pollutants and have linked them to childhood asthma.


Which of course makes no sense. Ignore the issues regarding potentially giving children asthma...
- He's cutting the amount of money the Florida government receives, in a way that is likely regressive in nature. (i.e. tax breaks to potentially richer people)
- There are no plans to actually enact a ban on gas stoves. And even if there were, I doubt that a few extra MAGAchud in florida who decided to cook with gas would have made a difference
- Florida is not a major natural gas producer. (And I don't think they manufacture a lot of gas-burning stoves.) So its not like it would benefit Florida's economy. (On the other hand, electricity generated to power electric stoves can be produced in state.)

So rather than provide decent government policies, he continues to fight far-right "culture wars".

"We're going to own the libs by giving the children of our supporters a serious respiratory illness"
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on February 06, 2023, 04:43:37 pm
So Ron DeathSentance is now talking about gas stoves...

From: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/3841563-desantis-keeps-heat-on-gas-stoves-issue-proposing-tax-exemption/
...(DeSantis) called for a permanent sales tax exemption for gas stoves....After a federal regulator floated the idea of a gas ban or regulations, Republicans embraced the gas stoves issue as part of a larger culture war narrative
...
Studies have found that gas stoves can contain hazardous air pollutants and have linked them to childhood asthma.


Which of course makes no sense. Ignore the issues regarding potentially giving children asthma...
- He's cutting the amount of money the Florida government receives, in a way that is likely regressive in nature. (i.e. tax breaks to potentially richer people)
- There are no plans to actually enact a ban on gas stoves. And even if there were, I doubt that a few extra MAGAchud in florida who decided to cook with gas would have made a difference
- Florida is not a major natural gas producer. (And I don't think they manufacture a lot of gas-burning stoves.) So its not like it would benefit Florida's economy. (On the other hand, electricity generated to power electric stoves can be produced in state.)

So rather than provide decent government policies, he continues to fight far-right "culture wars".

"We're going to own the libs by giving the children of our supporters a serious respiratory illness"

Not surprised.

We're talking about a country that has Police more concerned about parents attempting to break Police barricades, and rescue their kids from an active school shooter, than to risk their lives and take down said active shooter.

Republicans don't care about children.  They care about rich and powerful people.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on February 07, 2023, 02:16:43 pm
I think I could enjoy this. Donald Trump posts photo of "Ron Disanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher".
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 07, 2023, 03:37:22 pm
I think I could enjoy this. Donald Trump posts photo of "Ron Disanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher".
You and Trump have a lot in common.  You both lie about Ron DeSantis.  Have you retracted your disinformation yet?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on February 07, 2023, 03:42:18 pm
I think I could enjoy this. Donald Trump posts photo of "Ron Disanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher".

Everyone's a winner, if Trump and DeSantis start feuding.

Two scumbags going at it, and exposing each other for the autocratic narcissists they are.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest7 on February 07, 2023, 03:46:08 pm
I think I could enjoy this. Donald Trump posts photo of "Ron Disanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher".

I hope you don't mind.  I posted that on the "other site".
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 07, 2023, 03:48:07 pm
Everyone's a winner, if Trump and DeSantis start feuding.

Two scumbags going at it, and exposing each other for the autocratic narcissists they are.
Complete and utter nonsense.  DeSantis isn't going to start feuding with Trump, there's no reason for him to.  It would just make Trump relevant again, for a while.  Btw, if you want to see an autocratic state, see California or New York.  That's why so many people are fleeing those states for Florida.  You need to stop being brainwashed by the mainstream media.  You've also been fooled by some of the fake news regarding DeSantis as well.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on February 07, 2023, 03:52:03 pm
You and Trump have a lot in common.  You both lie about Ron DeSantis.  Have you retracted your disinformation yet?
Disinformation? Youean when I said he was looking to require high schoolers to provide the government with menstruation data and he was actually...looking to require high schoolers to provide the government with menstruation data?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest7 on February 07, 2023, 03:52:30 pm
Complete and utter nonsense.  DeSantis isn't going to start feuding with Trump, there's no reason for him to. 

I think this might be true.  We'll have to see how much discipline DeSantis has.  The good thing is, the more he has, the more insane Trump is going to get with his attacks.  It's going to be enormous fun either way.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 07, 2023, 04:23:34 pm
Disinformation? Youean when I said he was looking to require high schoolers to provide the government with menstruation data and he was actually...looking to require high schoolers to provide the government with menstruation data?
Did you purposely ignore the fact check? 😂😂😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on February 07, 2023, 05:36:03 pm
Did you purposely ignore the fact check? 😂😂😂
Your "fact check" just said that no final decision has been made. I said Disantis wants to do this, as he is proposing the idea. Sorry your reading skills are so bad.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 07, 2023, 06:24:01 pm
Your "fact check" just said that no final decision has been made. I said Disantis wants to do this, as he is proposing the idea. Sorry your reading skills are so bad.
Yep, you didn’t read it. 🤣
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on February 07, 2023, 06:47:48 pm
I think I could enjoy this. Donald Trump posts photo of "Ron Disanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11724111/Trump-posts-photos-Ron-DeSantis-allegedly-drinking-high-school-girls.html
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 07, 2023, 07:43:56 pm
He looks as old as they do LOL
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on February 07, 2023, 08:15:30 pm
Trump: DaSantis likes lil gurlz
DaSantis: Glug Glug.
Queefer: He fine.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 07, 2023, 09:21:33 pm
Trump: DaSantis likes lil gurlz
DaSantis: Glug Glug.
Queefer: He fine.

We have no idea when or where this photo took place, how old he or the girls were in this photo, whether he was a teacher at the time and if these were students.  Maybe this is proof he's a pedo, but i'm not going to take Trump's word for it.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on February 07, 2023, 09:30:01 pm
We have no idea when or where this photo took place, how old he or the girls were in this photo, whether he was a teacher at the time and if these were students.  Maybe this is proof he's a pedo, but i'm not going to take Trump's word for it.
That’s not fair, when has Trump ever lied?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on February 07, 2023, 09:40:32 pm
It's true that you can't trust anything trump says, but I have no reason to doubt the word of the person from the school who actually provided the picture.
https://hillreporter.com/exclusive-pic-ron-desantis-accused-of-attending-drinking-party-with-students-at-high-school-where-he-taught-115220
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on February 07, 2023, 10:45:42 pm
We have no idea when or where this photo took place, how old he or the girls were in this photo, whether he was a teacher at the time and if these were students.  Maybe this is proof he's a pedo, but i'm not going to take Trump's word for it.
It's true that you can't trust anything trump says, but I have no reason to doubt the word of the person from the school who actually provided the picture.
But that's the wonderful thing about all this...

It doesn't matter if you or I believe it. But your average republican voter is incredibly dumb and gullible. (And the MAGAchud who continue to be dedicated to Trump doubly so.) There will continue to be many republicans who believe Trump "tells it like it is", and Ron Deathsentence is probably going to be damaged goods as a result, should he manage to beat Trump in the primaries.
 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on February 07, 2023, 10:53:06 pm
We'll have to see how much discipline DeSantis has.  The good thing is, the more he has, the more insane Trump is going to get with his attacks.  It's going to be enormous fun either way.
Here's the thing... it doesn't matter how much discipline Ron Deathsentence has.

You see, Trump has cult followers... ones who continue to believe he "tells it like it is". Deathsentence does have significant support in the party, but at this moment it appears to be more a case of "He can win" or "we like his racist policies and he doesn't tweet like Trump". He could be swapped out with any pro-fascist republican and people will still probably react the same.

Trump is unlikely to win in a general election in 2024 (assuming he even runs and isn't in jail at the time). This is the case whether he actually responds to the attacks or ignores them. So regardless of how Desantis reacts, its not going to change the outcome in the general election. Meanwhile at least some of the cult MAGAchud will believe trump, probably enough to scuttle the chance of any other republican who decides to challenge Trump.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on February 07, 2023, 11:04:11 pm
That’s not fair, when has Trump ever lied?

You're kidding right?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest7 on February 08, 2023, 12:06:25 am
Here's the thing... it doesn't matter how much discipline Ron Deathsentence has.

You see, Trump has cult followers... ones who continue to believe he "tells it like it is". Deathsentence does have significant support in the party, but at this moment it appears to be more a case of "He can win" or "we like his racist policies and he doesn't tweet like Trump". He could be swapped out with any pro-fascist republican and people will still probably react the same.

Trump is unlikely to win in a general election in 2024 (assuming he even runs and isn't in jail at the time). This is the case whether he actually responds to the attacks or ignores them. So regardless of how Desantis reacts, its not going to change the outcome in the general election. Meanwhile at least some of the cult MAGAchud will believe trump, probably enough to scuttle the chance of any other republican who decides to challenge Trump.

I didn't mean it might change the outcome.  I meant it's going to be fun to watch.  And if Trump's response to Biden's State of the Union address on Truth Social is anything to go by, we're not going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on February 08, 2023, 01:10:07 am
Quote
I didn't mean it might change the outcome.  I meant it's going to be fun to watch.
Oh, I agree its going to be great fun.

All those republicans who loyally stood by Trump through 2 impeachments and a myriad of crimes, only to find that in the end he's willing to burn it all down.

You have to wonder if republicans like Moscow Mitch are secretly praying for the DoJ or the Georgia prosecutor to bring charges against Trump just so they can get him out of the way.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on February 18, 2023, 06:15:20 am
Don't those boots and makeup qualify as drag? What kind of lady heels are those? Isn't that illegal now in Florida?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpM9SBrXwAAAfZw?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on March 02, 2023, 09:27:07 am
A little good news... it seems like the current infighting within the republican party is continuing. (Which means there is a good chance that whomever the eventual nominee is, they won't be getting full support within the party, potentially making it a bit easier for a democrat to win.)

From: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/01/ron-desantis-tyrant-trump-supporters-book-signing
Ron DeSantis is a “tyrant”, the far-right activist Laura Loomer said, after she and other Trump supporters were barred from a book signing staged by the Florida governor.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 06, 2023, 12:38:13 pm
https://harpers.org/archive/2023/03/ron-desantis-force-feedings-guantanamo-bay-laughing/

Article alleges that DeSantis oversaw torture.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 18, 2023, 07:50:04 pm
As Trump nicknames go, I much prefer "Meatball Ron" to "Disanctimonious". He sort of looks like a meatball.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 18, 2023, 09:27:37 pm
As Trump nicknames go, I much prefer "Meatball Ron" to "Disanctimonious". He sort of looks like a meatball.
I agree.  If I were DesSantis, I’d run with it and serve meatball subs at my campaign events! 😂
Poor Don has definitely lost his fastball.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on March 19, 2023, 10:45:48 am
https://harpers.org/archive/2023/03/ron-desantis-force-feedings-guantanamo-bay-laughing/

Article alleges that DeSantis oversaw torture.

DeSantis Florida is turning into the Fourth Reich.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 08:47:45 am
Poor Ron got humiliated by Disney in their legal manoeuvres. Now all he can do is promise to spend millions and millions of taxpayers' money on lawyers before they even get to the really expensive free speech challenge he will obviously lose.

How come Republicans' legal counsel is so bad? Remember when some of them even thought you can overturn an election by getting the vice president to reject it? 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 30, 2023, 09:42:19 am
Either they don't listen or they hire yes men I guess.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 30, 2023, 10:31:44 am
Poor Ron got humiliated by Disney in their legal manoeuvres. Now all he can do is promise to spend millions and millions of taxpayers' money on lawyers before they even get to the really expensive free speech challenge he will obviously lose.

How come Republicans' legal counsel is so bad? Remember when some of them even thought you can overturn an election by getting the vice president to reject it? 😂
A private company receiving special tax treatment from the government has nothing to do with free speech.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on March 30, 2023, 10:40:58 am
A few more problems for Desantis...

From: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/29/fox-poll-trump-desantis-00089593
A new Fox News poll released Wednesday showed former President Donald Trump widening his lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in a hypothetical GOP primary race. Trump was the top pick for 54 percent of respondents, who were asked to choose from a list of potential 2024 Republican presidential nominees. DeSantis — who has yet to declare his candidacy, though he is widely expected to — came in as a distant second pick, with 24 percent of the vote.... The Fox poll was one of a handful released in recent days that show the former president widening his lead over DeSantis. In a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday, Trump had the support of 47 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning voters, well above DeSantis’ 33 percent. A Morning Consult survey from earlier this month showed Trump with a 54-to-26 percent lead over DeSantis among potential GOP primary voters.

Ok, Fox may not necessarily be the most reliable news source out there, but their results line up with other more reliable polling firms.

And then there is this:

From: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/poll-signature-desantis-policies-unpopular-with-americans-ahead-of-likely-presidential-run-220406760.html
The new survey shows that more Americans oppose than favor seven out of eight signature policies put forward by DeSantis in Florida, with support ranging from 36% (for requiring public school books to be reviewed for content “the government deems inappropriate”) to a low of 21% (for “granting political appointees the power to fire tenured faculty members at public colleges and universities at any time and for any reason”). On foreign policy, meanwhile, DeSantis doesn’t fare much better.

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-policies-might-come-back-to-bite-him-even-in-a-primary-2023-3
A recent poll from YouGov and Yahoo News highlighted this dynamic and showed that as supporters of DeSantis learned more about his policies, the less willing they were to vote for him....The pollster then asked respondents about eight of the policies that DeSantis has championed as governor, but didn't note the relation to DeSantis. More respondents opposed seven of eight of DeSantis' policies than favored them
...
(policies included Covid practices, critical race theory, book bans, gun control and abortion.)
...
After inquiring about each of DeSantis' policies, the pollster told respondents that "All of the proposals from the previous question have been put forward or signed into law by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.... it appears that DeSantis supporters were less likely to vote for him after learning about his policies.


So his chance of winning the republican primary is dropping, and even if he does manage to become the nominee he has a lot of political baggage that will probably see him lose in the general election.

Looks like the Republican party might have to find another fascist to take up the cause.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 10:44:48 am
A private company receiving special tax treatment from the government has nothing to do with free speech.
But Disantis made it very clear he was taking this action because of their speech.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 30, 2023, 10:47:46 am
But Disantis made it very clear he was taking this action because of their speech.
They have a right to free speech.  They don't have a right to government subsidies.  Keep sticking up for tax breaks for big corporations.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 10:50:41 am
They have a right to free speech.  They don't have a right to government subsidies.  Keep sticking up for tax breaks for big corporations.
Again, he made it perfectly clear he was taking this action because of their speech. Remember when you thought you supported free speech when you thought it meant private companies should be forced to spread Russian disinformation? 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on March 30, 2023, 10:59:28 am
Again, he made it perfectly clear he was taking this action because of their speech. Remember when you thought you supported free speech when you thought it meant private companies should be forced to spread Russian disinformation? 😂
The agreement that Disney and the government of Florida had was one that had worked well for years. Disney operated its property almost like a municipality (with various tax and land use implications related to that), and Florida did not have to worry about providing various services (such as fire services, road maintenance, etc.) It was (in my opinion) a win-win for both sides.

Then Ron Deathsentence decided "My bigotry is more important than a good deal", saw that Disney was saying "gay people are not the devil" and decided to blow up the Disney agreement.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 30, 2023, 11:12:12 am
The agreement that Disney and the government of Florida had was one that had worked well for years. Disney operated its property almost like a municipality (with various tax and land use implications related to that), and Florida did not have to worry about providing various services (such as fire services, road maintenance, etc.) It was (in my opinion) a win-win for both sides.

Then Ron Deathsentence decided "My bigotry is more important than a good deal", saw that Disney was saying "gay people are not the devil" and decided to blow up the Disney agreement.
As usual more complete and utter nonsense.  Yes, the agreement did work for years, but that doesn't mean it must go on forever.  The problem with Disney is that they started to produce questionable material for children, and the government didn't support an ongoing partnership because of it.  Disney is free to pursuit any direction it wishes.  But the government is not required to continue any ongoing partnership.  Stop defending special treatment for billion dollar corporations, just because you like them politically.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 11:15:48 am
What questionable material for children did they produce?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 11:26:52 am
Yeah, I figured asking you to substantiate your baseless allegation would shut you up. But I'm glad to see you agreeing that big corporations are a scourge that need to be dismantled and nationalized. 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on March 30, 2023, 11:30:47 am
Yeah, I figured asking you to substantiate your baseless allegation would shut you up. But I'm glad to see you agreeing that big corporations are a scourge that need to be dismantled and nationalized. 😂

Answer:

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 11:35:20 am
Uncle Remus was too woke? 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 30, 2023, 11:45:01 am
Yeah, I figured asking you to substantiate your baseless allegation would shut you up. But I'm glad to see you agreeing that big corporations are a scourge that need to be dismantled and nationalized. 😂
Nope.  No need to nationalize as we don’t live in a communist system.  Not carving out special exemptions is all I’m asking for.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 11:48:38 am
Nope.  No need to nationalize as we don’t live in a communist system.  Not carving out special exemptions is all I’m asking for.
Funny how you were fine with that arrangement before they exercised their right to free speech.

But I accept your humble apology for lying about them creating sexual material for children. You must be feeling pretty embarrassed for being such a weasel. 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 30, 2023, 11:52:42 am
Funny how you were fine with that arrangement before they exercised their right to free speech.

But I accept your humble apology for lying about them creating sexual material for children. You must be feeling pretty embarrassed for being such a weasel. 😂
It’s not just questionable material, it’s also about their racist employee training, based on toxic material like White Fragility.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on March 30, 2023, 11:56:14 am
If you’re gonna teach and promote and racism, you may find some governments apprehensive about continued partnerships.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 11:57:49 am
It’s not just questionable material...
"It's not just that fake sh!t that I tried to pretend was real....it's also other fake sh!t I try to pretend is real!" 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on March 30, 2023, 12:39:17 pm
What questionable material for children did they produce?
Well, for one they opposed the "don't say gay" bill.

I mean, its a sign of the end-times if those homosexuals actually get treated like real people! Next thing you know children will actually fail to see gay people as weirdos and perverts.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on March 30, 2023, 01:47:06 pm
In yet another sign of the incompetence of Meatball Ron Deathsentence...

From: https://www.npr.org/2023/03/30/1167042594/disney-desantis-board-reedy-creek-charles
...the former Reedy Creek Development board signed its power back to Disney before leaving office, a binding declaration that doesn't expire until England's monarchy dies out....Basically, the board loses "the majority of its ability to do anything beyond maintain the roads and maintain basic infrastructure," as board member Ron Peri put it, according to local news outlet Click Orlando.

So what do you have?
- A governor that is trying to implement bigoted policies which are unpopular across the united states
- A ham-fisted attempt to cower Disney because they happened to speak out against Republican bigotry (which, of course, exposes the hypocrisy of the republicans, who claim to like "small government" but are quite willing to have government interfere in business and personal lives)
- And now, we find out that he and his Klan were incompetent in actually handling the legal aspects of the power transfer itself.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on March 30, 2023, 01:53:39 pm
Not only that, the only thing that changed is that local taxpayers are now having to pay for many of the things Disney used to pay for. In the meantime, taxpayers can look forward to paying Disantis' lawyer friends millions to fight it... eventually, inevitably losing that battle too. 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 18, 2023, 07:34:17 am
I had hoped the Disney-Disantis fight would continue and it's better than I ever expected. Disantis is humiliated from being outplayed by Disney and is now threatening to build a prison next to Disneyworld. It's awesome how these guys aren't scared to show just how unfit they are to govern. It's like they have no self-awareness at all. 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on April 18, 2023, 07:41:26 am
I had hoped the Disney-Disantis fight would continue and it's better than I ever expected. Disantis is humiliated from being outplayed by Disney and is now threatening to build a prison next to Disneyworld. It's awesome how these guys aren't scared to show just how unfit they are to govern. It's like they have no self-awareness at all. 😂
I see that you’re unaware of humour and sarcasm. 😂
You probably don’t understand a politician that doesn’t drool all over himself.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 18, 2023, 07:46:58 am
I see that you’re unaware of humour and sarcasm. 😂
You probably don’t understand a politician that doesn’t drool all over himself.
You always try that excuse, especially after you lose control of your emotions and get caught up in an insurrection and start posting "Burn it down!" 😂

Tell me how these are traits of a fit leader. Remember when the Republican party included grownups like John McCain? I wonder what happened to make you all sh!t-throwing babies.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on April 18, 2023, 09:28:33 am
I had hoped the Disney-Disantis fight would continue and it's better than I ever expected. Disantis is humiliated from being outplayed by Disney and is now threatening to build a prison next to Disneyworld.
I have to say, its amazing how much Meatball Ron has improved the image of Disney.

Until recently, Disney had been subject to a lot of criticism... Unfair copyright practices, too much control, questionable creative choices. All they needed to rehabilitate themselves was for the republicans to pick an incompetent boob with fascist leanings to make them seem like hte good guys.

ETA: As for his threat to build a prison next to Disney... why do they need it? Aren't republican-led states supposed to be safe (unlike the crime-ridden democrat-led states)? Maybe he expects a lot of republican politicians to end up in jail and wanted them to at least see Disneyland (even if they can't visit it.)
Quote
It's awesome how these guys aren't scared to show just how unfit they are to govern. It's like they have no self-awareness at all. 😂
A lot of republicans thought "We can pick Meantball Ron... he'll give us the good aspects of Trumpism but he will be competent".

I guess they will have to rethink things,
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on April 18, 2023, 11:51:07 am
Seems like even some republican donors are worried about Meatball Ron...

From: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/ron-desantis-donors-donald-trump-uncertainty-1234716875/
On a group chat of wealthy DeSantis donors...participants exploded with alarm last week over the Florida governor’s presidential prospects... “What... is wrong with RD?” one participant wrote after DeSantis did not curtail his out-of-state publicity tour to return home amid massive flooding in the Fort Lauderdale area.

(Remember the good old days when Biden was criticized for not going to the site of a train derailment? Ah, good times good times. Meatball Ron should have gone to the site of the flooding so he could toss them some paper towels. Seems like a very republican thing to do.)

...Several other top donors to DeSantis were livid about the governor referring to the brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine as a “territorial dispute,”...Billionaire financier Thomas Peterffy told the Financial Times this past weekend that he and “a bunch of friends” were putting spending for the Florida governor on hold "because of his stance on abortion and book banning."

ETA: Although I suspect their complaints are more about "We don't think he can win" rather than "I dislike what he's saying".

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on April 18, 2023, 03:24:56 pm
Prominent DeSantis ally kills himself after being accused of grooming teen (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11885589/Ron-DeSantis-donor-killed-amid-accusations-sexual-misconduct-underage-girl.html)

Wild stuff:

Not surprising.

Most of DeSantis heroes in the Third Reich were sexual predators too.

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on April 27, 2023, 08:54:33 am
Yet more Disney problems for meatball Ron...

From: https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/1172231546/disney-florida-governor-ron-desantis-lawsuit
The Walt Disney Company has filed a lawsuit against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and other officials. Disney accuses DeSantis with orchestrating a "campaign of government retaliation" against the company and violating its protected speech....At DeSantis' urging, Republican lawmakers passed a bill that stripped Disney of its self-governing authority. But before the law took effect, Disney signed a deal with its outgoing board allowing it to retain development rights...At a meeting Wednesday near Orlando, DeSantis' handpicked board voted to invalidate that agreement. Moments later, Disney filed a 77-page lawsuit in federal court, charging DeSantis and other officials with violations of the contracts clause, the takings clause, due process and its First Amendment right to protected speech.

A lot of people claimed Desantis was a "more intelligent donald trump", but this sort of thing makes you think he's just as dumb but just tweets less. Over and over again we have seen him do foolish things that backfired on him:
- Transporting "illegal aliens" (who sort of weren't) to another state, and finding out that they were welcomed (and Florida was on the hook for the cost of the flight and may have engaged in human trafficing)
- Tried to defend an internet law dealing with social media companies that got slapped down by the courts
- Passed poorly worded laws that have caused libraries to leave empty book shelves

This feud with Disney is just the latest embarrassment. And the more he tries to act the worse it gets for him. The smart thing to do would have just ignored disney initial statements about the "don't say gay" law. (Its not like there would be a lot of people who base their voting decisions on comments made by Disney executives about homosexuality.)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 27, 2023, 09:00:54 am
Seems like an open-and-shut first amendment case. He didn't even try to hide the fact that he was doing it because of their "woke" politics
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on April 29, 2023, 09:50:44 pm
Still not sure how DiSantis' heels don't qualify as drag.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu6PnFbXgAEYHXG?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Super Colin Blow on May 01, 2023, 06:50:22 am
I'm sure he's not that worried, it's not like Disney's legal teams have a reputation for being ruthless eaters of souls or anything.

Most corporate legal teams are ruthless eaters of souls indeed.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: wilber on May 02, 2023, 10:59:16 am
Methinks DeSantis is not very bright.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 02, 2023, 07:18:59 pm
Ivy League but... 🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 03, 2023, 11:49:34 am
They tried to start squaring the circle beginning with Reagan.  "We're regular folks like you"

But it doesn't work...
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 03, 2023, 01:43:51 pm
It doesn't work because they don't believe it themselves and hate actual working-class people.

I understand prejudices against working folks, I can develop them too.  But they need to be addressed, personally and in the public sphere.

People do NOT understand what a working person is - they think that it's men in hard hats, but there is more to it.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 03, 2023, 02:39:07 pm
It doesn't work because they don't believe it themselves and hate actual working-class people.

There's a big difference in hatred versus being selfish and indifferent.  You have some weird theories about the people you hate.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 03, 2023, 03:56:18 pm
If they were pursuing policies of neglect, you'd have a point, but the GOP wants to actually hurt working-class people.

I mean...

Thousands of workers could see cut in pay under Florida House plan for uniform wages
 (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article274702201.html#storylink=cpy)

They probably are just acting on behalf of their wealthy donors and don't actually care.

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Here's (https://myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=76868&SessionId=99) another Florida bill that allows landlords to charge nonrefundable monthly fees instead of a one-time, refundable security deposit.

Odd law but this seems to say they just have an option added, they can choose a monthly fee or an upfront security deposit.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 03, 2023, 04:23:10 pm
Yes, it gives the landlord the option to offer it: now, which one do you think they'll offer?

Where does it say that?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 03, 2023, 05:20:14 pm
You don't need to actually like members of the working class to advocate policies that benefit them. I sure don't!

The idea of the working class is, itself, A very difficult topic. Leftists talk about it endlessly.

I would say that if you get a paycheck from somebody or you work contracts for yourself I eat gig economy then you are working class

The tough thing is that this means c e o s are workers
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 03, 2023, 06:04:32 pm
The idea of the working class is, itself, A very difficult topic. Leftists talk about it endlessly.

I would say that if you get a paycheck from somebody or you work contracts for yourself I eat gig economy then you are working class

The tough thing is that this means c e o s are workers

That's not the definition of working class though.  It refers to blue collar employees.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 03, 2023, 07:03:20 pm
That's not the definition of working class though.  It refers to blue collar employees.

Sorry?

You seem to be saying that definitively.  Why?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 03, 2023, 08:31:08 pm
Sorry?

You seem to be saying that definitively.  Why?

I googled the definition of working class.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on May 03, 2023, 08:49:28 pm
I did too but I didn't see anything that limited it to blue collar. Most essentially defined it as those who have nothing to sell but their labour. This definition was most prominent:
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What is considered the working class?
What Is the Working Class? "Working class" is a socioeconomic term used to describe persons in a social class marked by jobs that provide low pay, require limited skill, or physical labor. Typically, working-class jobs have reduced education requirements.

That makes the most sense. I wouldn't include doctors and lawyers, but I wouldn't exclude retail workers.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 03, 2023, 09:01:39 pm
I googled the definition of working class.

So did I just now.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 15, 2023, 11:11:34 pm
No it doesn’t. Read Marx.

I have, a lot of it when i was younger since I was a Marxist sympathizer back then.  I'm going by this definition because that's what everyone but Marxists mean when they say it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 16, 2023, 05:39:41 am
I concur, but it makes the term less useful.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 16, 2023, 11:32:06 am
I don't think a definition of class that doesn't factor in income is a useful one at all. I know plumbers, electricians and HVAC techs who make more than University professors.

Marx said the working class is the proletariat which doesn't say anything about income so wtf are you talking about?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on May 16, 2023, 12:44:19 pm
Huh? The whole division of the proletariat vs bourgeoisie hinges upon how one earns their income (labour vs. accumulated capital). While he didn't talk about income levels per se, I think it's implicit that a business owner will enjoy a higher income than his workers. Meanwhile, your preferred definition of working class is purely an aesthetic one.

It's not my definition it's the one everyone uses.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on May 18, 2023, 08:03:28 am
DiSantis has banned circumcision in Florida and, if you've been circumcised there, now you can get reparations!

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1658855078189514753?s=20
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on May 18, 2023, 09:58:55 am
DiSantis has banned circumcision in Florida and, if you've been circumcised there, now you can get reparations!

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1658855078189514753?s=20
Interesting take on it.

Note: To anyone who hasn't read the twitter post... its about Meatball Ron talking about "genital mutilation" with respect to trans surgery, not necessarily circumcision. But, I do think it would be an interesting tactic to launch a court case attacking a law base on that.

(Sort of like the way that the Satanic Temple challenges overbearing religious laws by using "satanic religion" as a pushback.)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on May 18, 2023, 09:02:50 pm
Looks like Meatball Ron's culture wars might be starting to have an effect....

From: https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/media/disney-florida-desantis/index.html
Disney is scrapping plans to build a $1 billion office complex in Florida, citing “changing business conditions,” according to a memo provided by a Disney spokesperson... The campus in Lake Nona, Florida, in the greater Orlando area, was expected to add 2,000 jobs, many of which were set to be relocated from California. "It is unfortunate that Disney will not be moving forward with construction of the Lake Nona campus," Orange County Mayor Jerry L. Demings said in a statement. "However, these are the consequences when there isn’t an inclusive and collaborative work environment between the state of Florida and the business community."

Now, admittedly it doesn't look like Disney will be totally pulling out of Florida. Still, having more jobs (including probably some higher paying ones) would have been a "good thing".

I guess the question is, what does Disney do once Meatball Ron is gone at the end of his term? (He is limited to 2 terms in Florida.) Even if they get a new gov. in place who is actually business friendly, do they risk investing more in a state where the republicans can start pulling the "culture war" card at any time?

From: https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-florida
The videos from Florida aren’t hard to find: Dozens of clips of empty fields, abandoned construction sites, and scores of truck drivers calling for boycotts... The common thread? Fear and frustration over the state’s newest anti-immigrant law, signed a week ago by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, which mandates that businesses with 25 or more employees verify the citizenship status of workers...Florida is home to about 800,000 undocumented immigrants, and many work in the kinds of businesses that would be impacted by the law... construction workers (said) many of their coworkers were not showing up to work because they feared deportation...farmworkers in South Florida considering moves out of the state because of fear of persecution.

Now, SOME of these claims may not be relevant. (For example, truckers said they might boycott florida but that doesn't mean they will go through with it). But still, the US does use many undocumented immigrants in its agricultural industry, and they are facing a labor shortage. There is a good chance that this will harm Florida.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Michael Hardner on May 21, 2023, 02:46:59 pm
He’s cooked.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwqqNttaYAIhS4s.png)



JESUS WHY WOULD THE PRESS COVER THIS UP UNTIL NOW?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on May 25, 2023, 11:16:17 am
 :we all saw this coming.

Eliminate 75% of Twitter workforce and make it an incredibly toxic place, and the result will be inevitable.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: waldo on May 25, 2023, 11:28:19 am
Pudding Boy went on Twitter to launch his 2024 bid with Elon Musk.

It didn't go well.

Twitter Spaces crashes repeatedly during DeSantis 2024 announcement (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-spaces-crashes-repeatedly-during-desantis-2024-announcement)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fw7Ul0AXgAMTU64?format=jpg)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on May 25, 2023, 11:40:38 am
Pudding Boy went on Twitter to launch his 2024 bid with Elon Musk.

It didn't go well.

Twitter Spaces crashes repeatedly during DeSantis 2024 announcement
 (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-spaces-crashes-repeatedly-during-desantis-2024-announcement)
It's funny that the same people poking fun about this, said nothing of Biden's disastrous online campaign events in 2020.  It's almost as though there's a bias in the media?  LOL.  Nah, couldn't be.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on June 15, 2023, 05:59:52 pm
DeSantis signs a bill to make direct-to-consumer car sales illegal (except Teslas) because Freedom and Small Government. Car dealership lobbies are unsurprisingly in favour.

https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-law-bans-direct-to-consumer-car-sales-tesla-exception-2023-6
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on June 15, 2023, 08:10:23 pm
Now Trump is alleging Ron "groomed" teenage girls by partying and drinking with them. I wonder who is the real POS: DeSantis if it's true or Trump if he's lying?

In the end, probably both
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on July 19, 2023, 01:52:44 pm
Meatball Ron recently pushed an ad that even some republicans suggest is... questionable.

The ad is supposedly about how Ron Deathsentence will stop "LGBTQ" proponents. However, it has a lot of... weird... imagery.

From: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/desantis-defends-anti-lgbtq-video-shared-campaign-calls-100784004
DeSantis is defending an anti-LGBTQ video his campaign shared online that attacks rival Donald Trump for his past support of gay and transgender people, despite some of his fellow Republicans calling it homophobic... It also featured dark images of DeSantis with lightning coming out of his eyes, headlines that said he signed a “draconian anti-trans bathroom bill” and images of muscular shirtless men and clips of Christian Bale in the 2000 movie “American Psycho,” in which he plays a serial killer.

Because nothing says "I will protect you from evil gay people" like pictures of muscular shirtless men.


Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on July 20, 2023, 08:59:18 pm
Now DeSantis is planning to launch an inquiry into Bud Light...because they're against big government infringements on freedom and weaponizing the justice system?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on July 24, 2023, 10:55:43 am
The latest Meatball Ron controversy...

From: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/chris-christie-wont-let-desantis-032102173.html
Florida’s Board of Education released a set of educational standards that directs teachers to instruct students about the skills enslaved people developed and how they could have been applied for their “personal benefit,” as well as the “violence perpetrated against and by African Americans,”... DeSantis, who has approved several pieces of legislation limiting the teaching of Black history, denied playing any role in the board’s controversial decision.

So Ron Deathsentence 1) criticizes "wokeness" and "liberal indoctrination" in schools, 2) passed legislation like the "don't say gay" bill, 3) attacked African American studies programs and critical race theory. Then when the Florida board of education adopts a policy in line with what Desantis was doing (i.e. "teach them that slavery was just a jobs traing program") he tries to claim "I had nothing to do with it".
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on July 26, 2023, 08:45:41 am
It's hard to keep up, but I think the latest Meatball Ron contoversy is the neo-Nazi symbols included in his campaign video by his neo-Nazi staffer.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on July 26, 2023, 11:45:59 am
It's hard to keep up, but I think the latest Meatball Ron contoversy is the neo-Nazi symbols included in his campaign video by his neo-Nazi staffer.
The staffer be fired.

From: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-fires-staffer-retweeted-video-nazi-imagery-rcna96285
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ presidential campaign fired a staffer who over the weekend promoted an online video that superimposed Nazi imagery over DeSantis’ face. The staffer, Nate Hochman, had retweeted the video...that criticized former President Donald Trump and concluded with an image of DeSantis standing in front of a sonnenrad — a symbol co-opted by the Nazis and promoted in modern times by fascist sympathizers — as soldiers marched by.

Of course, here is what I find most disturbing about the situation: From the same article...

The official did not say whether the retweet factored in the decision...

Hotchman obviously has some neo-nazi sympathies. Meatball Ron could have gotten out there and said "we oppose fascism and as a result are getting rid of Hochman". But he didn't... Why? Was he worried about offending other neo-Nazis?

On the plus side, the article also points out that Deathsantis has cut more than 40% of his staff recently, hopefully a sign that his election hopes are in a tailspin.


Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on July 26, 2023, 11:59:16 am
You know, we are in a really weird time in U.S. politics.

I remember years ago, people labeling people like Reagan and Bush as "fascists" and "neo-nazis". I thought at the time that it was dumb... silly hyperbole that added nothing to the political discourse. Yes, you could disagree with their policies, but nothing really arose to the level of "nazi-loving".

Now you have republicans themselves tying themselves to extreme right-wing politics.... One of Meatball Ron's staffers promoting a video with nazi imagery, Stubby McBonespurs quoting Mussolini and calling neo-Nazis "fine people", long time Republican congresscritter Steve King retweeted posts by neo-nazis.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on July 26, 2023, 01:22:44 pm
Not to mention Marjory Tailor Green saying the U.S. needs another civil war.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on August 18, 2023, 06:06:27 pm
Disney responds to Ron's pleas to "move on" with another lawsuit seeking more damages. I used to think he might be the smarter Trump, but it appears he's an even stupider one 😂
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on August 18, 2023, 06:26:54 pm
lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3LIVW2XUAAP1Ee?format=jpg&name=small)

Wow just look at that list of candidates. Nothing but rich ****.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 21, 2023, 12:07:22 pm
DeSantis hanging tough despite the mainstream media giving Trump endless coverage, and turning him into a sympathetic figure to GOP voters.

Among those likely caucusgoers, 42% say they plan to support Trump — a lead of 23 percentage points over DeSantis, who is at 19%. U.S. Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina follows in third place with 9%. 
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2023/08/21/iowa-poll-donald-trump-holds-commanding-lead-5-months-to-caucuses/70624481007/
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on August 21, 2023, 12:59:05 pm
What a colossal failure his campaign turned out to be. Whodathunk massive state overreach to quell dissent wouldn't be popular in a party that is foremost for limited government?
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on August 21, 2023, 02:56:00 pm
What a colossal failure his campaign turned out to be. Whodathunk massive state overreach to quell dissent wouldn't be popular in a party that is foremost for limited government?
The campaign has barely started. 
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on August 21, 2023, 03:58:26 pm
And it's already over.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on August 23, 2023, 01:57:22 pm
What a colossal failure his campaign turned out to be. Whodathunk massive state overreach to quell dissent wouldn't be popular in a party that is foremost for limited government?
Actually state overreach is quite popular in Republican circles. As long as its overreaching in the correct ways... forcing 10 year old girls to give birth to babies of the men who sexually assaulted them, jailing black people who think "maybe there might be a problem with cops shooting black people more than white".

I think the problem is that 1) meatball ron does not have ANY charisma on which to build a cult, and 2) he doesn't have any policies to appeal to people beyond a limited base. (At least Trump could fool people when he first ran to make him think "maybe he won't be so bad towards gay people", etc. With Govenor puddingfingers, we knew right from the start "this guy is a problem")

Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on October 27, 2023, 11:17:26 am
Dude is such a weirdo, why lie about this?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/27/ron-desantis-sending-weapons-israel-military-fake
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: segnosaur on October 30, 2023, 10:36:25 am
(Poll showing Meatball Ron now at 3rd place, behind Ramaswamy who was second)
And now Governor Pudding fingers is tied with Nikki Haley for second place.

See: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/30/trump-iowa-poll-haley-00124197

This reminds me of the 2016 republican primaries, where various candidates would rise in popularity for a short period before dropping down in the polls. (I think even Carson was leading in the polls for a while...)
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Wow just look at that list of candidates. Nothing but rich ****.
Well, you are of course assuming that Trump is rich. We haven't really seen proof either way whether Trump is a millionaire, or just pretends he is one.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on November 02, 2023, 07:20:03 pm
Ron denies wearing high-heel boots. I thought only drag queens wore those.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12693481/Expert-shoemakers-say-Ron-DeSantis-wearing-heels.html
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: wilber on November 02, 2023, 07:29:14 pm
Ron denies wearing high-heel boots. I thought only drag queens wore those.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12693481/Expert-shoemakers-say-Ron-DeSantis-wearing-heels.html

Funny but they just look like regular cowboy boots to me and we all know they are wannabe drag queens.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: BC_cheque on November 02, 2023, 10:10:32 pm
And now Governor Pudding fingers is tied with Nikki Haley for second place.

See: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/30/trump-iowa-poll-haley-00124197

This reminds me of the 2016 republican primaries, where various candidates would rise in popularity for a short period before dropping down in the polls. (I think even Carson was leading in the polls for a while...)Well, you are of course assuming that Trump is rich. We haven't really seen proof either way whether Trump is a millionaire, or just pretends he is one.

I think Nikki's incessant pleas to kill more Palestinians is really resonating with the base.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: wilber on November 03, 2023, 09:09:43 am
I think Nikki's incessant pleas to kill more Palestinians is really resonating with the base.

When has she done that?

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"We should care about the Palestinian citizens, especially the innocent ones, because they didn't ask for this," Haley said during her response. "But where are the Arab countries? Where are they? Where is Qatar? Where is Lebanon? Where is Jordan? Where is Egypt? Do you know we give Egypt over a billion dollars a year? Why aren't they opening the gates? Why aren't they taking the Palestinians?

"You know why? Because they know they can't vet them, and they don't want Hamas in their neighborhood. So, why would Israel want them in their neighborhood? So, let's be honest with what's going on. The Arab countries aren't doing anything to help the Palestinians because they don't trust who is right, who is good, who is evil, and they don't want it in their country."

Nikki Hailey
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on November 16, 2023, 03:40:20 pm
In what would seem like a no-brainer, the Supreme Court ruled Ron's anti-drag law as unconstitutional under the 1st amendment. Of course, Thomas voted in favour of it because...freedom.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 16, 2023, 03:43:33 pm
In what would seem like a no-brainer, the Supreme Court ruled Ron's anti-drag law as unconstitutional under the 1st amendment. Of course, Thomas voted in favour of it because...freedom.
The ruling deals with the lower court injunction, not the law itself.  The supreme court didn't see the need to overrule the temporary pause issued by the lower court.  Details matter Bubber.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on November 16, 2023, 03:48:42 pm
Cope (https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/16/politics/supreme-court-rules-against-florida-anti-drag-law/index.html#:~:text=The%20Florida%20law%20that%20limits,by%20Republican%20Gov.%20Ron%20DeSantis.).
 
Pretty sad that they couldn't even get this court of right wing activists disguised as justices to go their way. Ron has no juice.
Thank you for making my point.  The ruling was about the temporary injunction.  Cope and seethe.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on November 28, 2023, 08:43:29 am
A DeSantis aide had some sort of disagreement with Ron in a meeting, left the meeting abruptly, died on the way out, and was left on the floor for a half hour before anyone attended to him. Classy.

(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F554e327c-72dc-4ceb-b899-d0a844fc9d9f_1200x600.webp)
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: guest18 on December 01, 2023, 10:52:46 am
I'm impressed with Ron's progress in his struggle to figure out how smiling works.

https://www.threads.net/@jordanuhl_/post/C0S7vAYJKa-/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on December 01, 2023, 10:55:32 am
I'm impressed with Ron's progress in his struggle to figure out how smiling works.

https://www.threads.net/@jordanuhl_/post/C0S7vAYJKa-/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

How do you like "Threads?"

I registered but still consider Twitter superior.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 01, 2023, 11:15:28 am
Speaking of DeSantis.  He and California  governor Gavin Newsome debated last night.  There’s an app that tracks human excrement in California so that you can avoid it.  On a side note, it can probably track Black Dog too. 😂

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Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: BC_cheque on December 01, 2023, 12:04:38 pm
Shady’s poop reference jokes are impressive. Reminds me of something my six year old would say.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Coolio on December 01, 2023, 12:12:18 pm
Speaking of DeSantis.  He and California  governor Gavin Newsome debated last night.  There’s an app that tracks human excrement in California so that you can avoid it.  On a side note, it can probably track Black Dog too. 😂

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Gavin Newsrom completely destroyed Desantis in that debate.

Gavin Newsom:

"In a matter of weeks, Ron will bend the knee and endorse Donald Trump."

“The two easiest things you can buy in Florida is an AR-15 and a Ron DeSantis.”

"Your immigration policy can best be described as ... going into another state ... lying to migrants ... sending them to an island, Martha's vineyard, and then sending them to a parking lot in Sacramento."

 "You are trolling folks and trying to play political games so you can out-Trump Trump. How is that going for you, Ron? You are down 41 points in your own home state."


Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Spike The Hike Shady on December 01, 2023, 12:29:48 pm
Shady’s poop reference jokes are impressive. Reminds me of something my six year old would say.
It’s just a reality made worse by Gavin’s sh**ty policies.  Don’t hate the messenger!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 21, 2024, 06:04:09 pm
<sad trombone>
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on January 21, 2024, 06:15:20 pm
But he was a automatic lock!
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on January 21, 2024, 07:22:12 pm
He really doesn't speak well, especially during debates.  He doesn't seem very sure of himself.  His ideas were really meh.  Hard to believe the guy went to Yale and has a Harvard law degree.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on January 21, 2024, 11:47:12 pm
He really doesn't speak well, especially during debates.  He doesn't seem very sure of himself.  His ideas were really meh.  Hard to believe the guy went to Yale and has a Harvard law degree.

Lots of weird little freaks go to the Ivies. Actually most people who do are weird little freaks.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Black Dog on January 21, 2024, 11:50:03 pm
Anyway with his political career in ruins I think Desantis should do the Honourable Thing.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on January 22, 2024, 01:03:08 am
Lots of weird little freaks go to the Ivies. Actually most people who do are weird little freaks.

I'll add them to the list of people you hate.
Title: Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 24, 2024, 05:22:49 pm
My feeling is he lost partly because he blatantly used  governmental authority to punish Disney for political speech, which is unconstitutional and won't stand. There are still "conservatives" that won't abide government overreach---at least when it doesn't benefit them personally.

But he also lost because of the platform cowboy boots. Those were the most pathetic boots I've ever seen. Nobody could vote for someone wearing boots like that