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Title: 2021 Governance (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 18, 2021, 11:38:58 am
Edit:   This topic is now about governance day to day.




This is a topic to actually discuss the federal election without Waldo’s incessant nonsense like bitching about O’Toole’s t-shirt.

Start with this:

O’Toole announced a GST holiday. No GST in December.

What an awful idea. Who comes up with this stuff for the CPC??

Who will buy a car in November???
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 19, 2021, 02:59:43 pm
An albatross around the neck of Conservatives.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/erin-otoole-pro-choice-conscience-rights-1.6146200

The Cons just can’t help but get in their own way.

The reason this came to be is from OToole promising to protect the “conscience rights”of healthcare providers.

How would that work in small town Saskatchewan when the only doctor in town decides women shouldn’t  have access to contraception based on religious beliefs?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on August 19, 2021, 03:04:03 pm

I'd like to talk about O'Toole's t-shirt.

He looks like the husband half of a swinger couple, cruising a bar in Oakville to find young commodities for their maternal bedroom.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 19, 2021, 04:54:59 pm
Thank you squid for a thread free of party-funded propaganda.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 19, 2021, 09:43:19 pm
Derek Sloan, ex Conservative social conservative MP, is running in Alberta this election.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/derek-sloan-calgary-conservative-doreen-barrie-duane-bratt-1.6146827
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: kimmy on August 20, 2021, 11:28:06 pm
Derek Sloan, ex Conservative social conservative MP, is running in Alberta this election.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/derek-sloan-calgary-conservative-doreen-barrie-duane-bratt-1.6146827

Hey, keep that mofo in Ontario. 

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 21, 2021, 01:02:02 pm
Some of these parties are trying to fix the housing crisis by building affordable homes and now the NDP are going to give $5000k to subsidize rent for families.  These are bad solutions that are just band-aids that don't fix the core problems.

Regulate the real estate and banking sector, tax speculation and foreign investment, remove red tape for builders, and don't bring in more immigrants than cities can absorb, think about increasing the lending rates.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 21, 2021, 06:21:58 pm
Warning:  Waldo deleting posts in his own thread now.  Non-critical propaganda only i guess.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Sir Humphrey on August 22, 2021, 10:12:56 pm
Observing this (casually) from several hundred miles away...who do you think is going to win? And will they win outright, or with a minority government?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 23, 2021, 03:53:14 am
Observing this (casually) from several hundred miles away...who do you think is going to win? And will they win outright, or with a minority government?

The Libs will likely win.  Hopefully it’ll be a minority government again as this bunch cannot be trusted with the powe that a majority government brings.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 23, 2021, 04:03:37 am
Twitter adds label to MP Freeland’s Twitter posts calling it “manipulated media” for editing O’Toole responding to a question to make it seem he’s saying something he isn’t.

Most people call this lying.  Libs call it campaigning.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6149734
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: kimmy on August 23, 2021, 07:41:17 pm
The party that called the election is the only major party that didn't have it's campaign platform ready to release. Does that seem right?

Maybe they'll release it before the debates. Maybe they won't. Really, they're just faking it at this point anyway, aren't they?

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: kimmy on August 23, 2021, 08:18:32 pm
Twitter adds label to MP Freeland’s Twitter posts calling it “manipulated media” for editing O’Toole responding to a question to make it seem he’s saying something he isn’t.

Most people call this lying.  Libs call it campaigning.

The transcript of the portion of the interview that was hacked up into Freeland's Tweet.  The highlighted portions are the bits that made it into the clip.  You can decide for yourself whether you feel the snippet in Freeland's video captures the spirit of what O'Toole is actually saying. I don't believe it does. I highly doubt that Freeland did the video editing herself for this; I assume it was conceived and executed up by the Liberal war room.  Still, she did put her name on it. I thought she was better than this.

(https://i.imgur.com/aq1w6DW.png)

https://twitter.com/KatlynHarrison/status/1429534659789086734

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 23, 2021, 09:13:55 pm
The transcript of the portion of the interview that was hacked up into Freeland's Tweet.  The highlighted portions are the bits that made it into the clip.  You can decide for yourself whether you feel the snippet in Freeland's video captures the spirit of what O'Toole is actually saying. I don't believe it does. I highly doubt that Freeland did the video editing herself for this; I assume it was conceived and executed up by the Liberal war room.  Still, she did put her name on it. I thought she was better than this.

I think you have to sell your soul at the door in order to become any kind of success in politics, it's the cost of admission.  When you see bad things happening you have to smile and look the other way and repeat the party line.  It's similar with being a cop.  There are no "good cops" because anyone who shuts up and goes along when bad things are being done isn't a "good cop".  Anyone with any moral conviction is quickly filtered out, because they're forced to quit since one person at the bottom can't change anything in such systems.  Show me a cabinet member in any of our governments who isn't a careerist sociopath.

Canada has some of the weakest whistleblower protections among similar democratic nations, its time we ask why, and who does it serve?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 23, 2021, 09:18:33 pm
The party that called the election is the only major party that didn't have it's campaign platform ready to release. Does that seem right?

Maybe they'll release it before the debates. Maybe they won't. Really, they're just faking it at this point anyway, aren't they?

 -k

If they want to cost a platform i can see why it might take some time if your plan is to give everyone the world.

They might also just be saving announcements to be released sporadically before the election, don't want to reveal their hand all at once.  They assume Canadians are stupid enough not to care too much about releasing platforms and they're right.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 26, 2021, 06:56:03 pm
Liberals tanking in the polls, virtual tie with CPC, within margin of error.

Debates should be interesting.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 27, 2021, 02:20:49 pm
https://globalnews.ca/news/8145113/canada-election-ipsos-leadership-singh/

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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh has emerged as the most likable of the federal party leaders as Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau’s popularity sinks amid the election campaign, a new poll suggests.

The Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News found Singh was the only party leader who was viewed more positively than negatively, with 45 per cent approval versus 39 per cent disapproval among those surveyed.

Trudeau, by contrast, had the highest unfavourability rating of any leader at 53 per cent,
while 41 per cent said they viewed him favourably.

I agree that Singh seems like the nicest and most trustworthy leader.  Some of his policies are loopy though of the typical naive idealistic left variety.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: eyeball on August 29, 2021, 08:28:14 pm


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On Sunday, Trudeau pointed to the noisy crowd trying to intimidate and drown out his event as proof O'Toole needed to condemn Gallant's comments to show her supporters and protesters that they are wrong.

"We know they don't listen to me," he said. "Perhaps they will listen to Erin O'Toole if he tells them that climate change is real. If he tells them that vaccines are safe and secure and demonstrates with real leadership, how we're going to move forward as a country to be safer, to be better and more prosperous."
That's the most honest and more to the point useful thing I've heard Trudeau say.

I only wish politicians did have the nerve to tell their parties wingnuts to STFU on occassion. Lots of occassions actually.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on August 30, 2021, 06:35:28 am
I WON'T be voting for O' Toole, but he appears to be pushing the wing nuts to the PPC. 

A hope for centrism.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Boges on August 30, 2021, 08:55:26 am
I will be voting for O' Toole, but he appears to be pushing the wing nuts to the PPC. 

A hope for centrism.

I'll vote for him because he doesn't embrace this crap. He's hitting all the right notes.

But I really don't feel comfortable sharing this party with the crazies. I guess Democrats have to square the same circle when they have to share their party with a wide range of political stances.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on August 30, 2021, 09:45:30 am
jeez I meant to wrote WON'T
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on August 30, 2021, 09:55:31 am
But I really don't feel comfortable sharing this party with the crazies.

We now have the PPC to entertain us - especially their attacks against O'Toole being a Liberal.... lolz
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: eyeball on August 30, 2021, 10:08:44 am
We now have the PPC to entertain us - especially their attacks against O'Toole being a Liberal.... lolz
Kinda like ISIS-K describing the Taliban as not being extreme enough - and wasn't Trump booed for telling supporters to get vaccinated recently?

I've said it before, right wing conservatism isn't a place it's a direction.  Some people just have no time for taking two steps back on occassion I guess.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on August 30, 2021, 12:19:07 pm
Kinda like ISIS-K describing the Taliban as not being extreme enough - and wasn't Trump booed for telling supporters to get vaccinated recently?

I've said it before, right wing conservatism isn't a place it's a direction.  Some people just have no time for taking two steps back on occassion I guess.

The right can't ignore the matter of increasing wealth disparity... and there are ways to share wealth without raising taxes too: reduce public subsidies for profitable endeavours, mandate wage increases or strengthen unions as Comrade O'Toole is doing now.
 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 30, 2021, 12:56:09 pm
CBC poll tracker’s latest news.

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Conservatives move further ahead as Liberals continue to slide

The Conservatives have moved ahead in the polling average and are widening their lead over the Liberals, who are still favoured to win the most seats — but that seat advantage is shrinking as well. The New Democrats are maintaining their support and are poised to make gains, while the Bloc Québécois and Greens have less support than they did in 2019. The People's Party has risen to 4.3 per cent, placing them ahead of the Greens nationwide.


https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

I am thinking the ideal outcome would be a Con slight minority government.

Heck, with O’Toole’s bizarre support for unions and talk of climate change, maybe they’ll join forces with the NDP to oust the Libs!  Haha.  That would be karma…
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: eyeball on August 30, 2021, 04:03:01 pm
The right can't ignore the matter of increasing wealth disparity... and there are ways to share wealth without raising taxes too: reduce public subsidies for profitable endeavours, mandate wage increases or strengthene unions as  O'Toole is doing now.

The Liberal Party (as opposed to genuine progressives)
seems to have little problem ignoring wealth disparity as well but worse they're even more studious about disregarding power disparity - as evidenced by two clearly linked things, backpeddling from electoral reform and calling an unnecessary election. Both were done for the very same reason, they want all the power. Liberals seem to know more instinctively that wealth will follow where power goes.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 31, 2021, 08:46:44 pm
I WON'T be voting for O' Toole, but he appears to be pushing the wing nuts to the PPC. 

A hope for centrism.

I've decided that i'm likely going to vote CPC.  Reasoning:

1. Since the winner will almost certainly have a minority, having the CPC form government and needing one of the other leftwing parties to pass legislation means it will force the CPC and the government/legislation towards the center, which is what i want.  If the Liberals win even a minority they will just keep ignoring the CPC in legislation and find a leftwing party like NDP/Bloc to pass their leftwing agenda.  This means no crazy rightwing CPC agenda, no crazy Liberal/NDP leftwing agenda.

2. Hold Trudeau and his ilk accountable.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on August 31, 2021, 08:55:01 pm
Hold Trudeau and his elk accountable.

I wasn't aware of the elk.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 01, 2021, 02:42:29 pm
DoFo came out today to land some haymakers on JT.

Why is there no Federal Vaccine Passport? Why do we have to wait until after this unneeded election?

Great question…. 

How does an Albertan get a vaccine passport for BC?  Why isn’t there a national standard for this?  The Feds definitely dropped the ball on this one.


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School Boards are beginning to deny EC from using their schools as polling places.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8157355/tcdsb-votes-against-allowing-polling-stations-in-schools/

I don't think I've ever voted in a place that wasn't a school.

My voting place is a community hall or a church. 

If medical experts say this will put kids at more risk in the schools, then they have very good reason not to have polling places there.  If not, then I think they’re on shaky ground.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 01, 2021, 10:44:19 pm
Great question…. 

How does an Albertan get a vaccine passport for BC?  Why isn’t there a national standard for this?  The Feds definitely dropped the ball on this one.


OMG, I can't believe that thought never occurred to me. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: kimmy on September 01, 2021, 11:45:09 pm
OMG, I can't believe that thought never occurred to me.

Right now all I have is a piece of paper to show that I've had two doses of Pfizer. The BC gov't says they intend to have mandatory vaccination for many activities in place within the month. They better come up with something better than this easily forgeable piece of paper.

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: kimmy on September 02, 2021, 12:26:06 am
Heck, with O’Toole’s bizarre support for unions and talk of climate change, maybe they’ll join forces with the NDP to oust the Libs!  Haha.  That would be karma…
I've mentioned elsewhere  (https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/general-discussion/woke-culture/?message=79574)that the traditional left has abandoned their traditional blue-collar base in favor of ivory tower dogshit.  Blue collar workers in the UK and US had somehow come up with the notion that the Tories and Republicans (respectively) were the parties that best represented their interests. So it seems natural for the Conservatives to move to fill that void as well.

This, to me, is actually the most important policy idea of this election.  Not the various well-intentioned but probably counterproductive housing ideas.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/erin-otoole-socialist-crusader/

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    O’Toole’s platform calls for four major things to give workers a voice around corporate governance and economic policy.

    •     Require that large federally-regulated employers—either those with 1,000 or more employees, or $100 million in annual revenue—have worker representation on their boards of directors
    •     Provide tax breaks to employers who sell shares to Employee Ownership Trusts
    •     Amend the Canada Labour Code to give workers a leg up when trying to unionize shops in companies with a history of anti-union activity, especially large multi-nationals
    •     Give labour unions standing at the Canada International Trade Tribunal to file action against companies
And IMO something just as significant, recognition of the increasing prevalence of the "gig economy" and precarious employment:

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It’s taken this election for politicians to finally start talking about what it means to protect workers in the gig economy.

Gig workers—who do everything from drive Uber to deliver groceries to coding and designing —probably numbered shy of 2 million before the pandemic, and have likely only increased in numbers since then. Around 3 million Canadians are self-employed, or freelance, according to Statistics Canada.

These workers, generally speaking, don’t have any of the benefits we associate with employment: If they want supplementary health insurance, Employment Insurance, Canadian Pension Plan benefits, they’ll have to pay for it all themselves.

The Conservatives are proposing a rather elegant solution: An Employee Savings Account. Gig economy companies would have to pay contributions “equivalent to CPP and EI premiums” into their gig workers accounts, where it will sit, tax free, to be withdrawn when needed.

It’s hardly a replacement for a good pension plan or an actual safety net—without employee contributions, and considering the hours worked by these employees, these funds will likely be quite modest.

And yet it’s more than the other parties are proposing.

The increasingly rapid replacement of traditional jobs with "gig economy" jobs is one of the most worrying trends in our economy right now and one of the factors that is accelerating the "race to the bottom".  For me, acknowledging this in their platform and proposing policy to address it probably wins my vote at this point.   I had been planning to vote NDP, but at this point I think the CPC has won my vote based on these pro-worker policy positions.


 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 02, 2021, 02:41:55 am
Right now all I have is a piece of paper to show that I've had two doses of Pfizer. The BC gov't says they intend to have mandatory vaccination for many activities in place within the month. They better come up with something better than this easily forgeable piece of paper.

 -k

They do. You register online and it comes up on your phone.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 02, 2021, 04:36:13 am
They do. You register online and it comes up on your phone.

The Quebec one has a scan code I think.  They should be able to scan out of province too.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: eyeball on September 02, 2021, 09:57:37 am
I had been planning to vote NDP, but at this point I think the CPC has won my vote based on these pro-worker policy positions.


 -k
I hear what you're saying but I just can't get past the fact that too many conservative governments seem to make COVID worse wherever they're in power.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 02, 2021, 12:30:33 pm
338 Canada now has the Cons as the likely winners of a minority government.

60% to 40% as the likelihood of winning the most seats.

The likelihood of a Lib majority went from 60% before the start of the campaign, to now at 4%.

If Trudeau takes his party from government to opposition in an election that didn’t need to happen, do you think he will be turfed as leader?  I think the knives will be out in full force if the Libs lose.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 02, 2021, 01:10:56 pm
I’ve posted about my distaste for the Green Party’s obsession with Israel.

Well, they have gone into the land of crackpot crazy ideas with their statement on vaccines.  In part: 
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However, we know that there are people who are unable to get vaccinated for legitimate reasons, whether those be medical conditions, religious or cultural convictions…
https://www.greenparty.ca/en/statement/2021-08-18/green-party-statement-vaccination

Won’t vote for any party that, in the midst of a pandemic, says there are legitimate religious and cultural reasons not to be vaccinated.  F’kn idiots.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 02, 2021, 01:52:17 pm
I hear what you're saying but I just can't get past the fact that too many conservative governments seem to make COVID worse wherever they're in power.

I've warmed up to a lot of their platforms as well.  The COVID spending as many of you have heard me discuss, was the nail on JT's coffin (after his love of pipelines).  I like that CPC is trying to bring a balanced budget.  Unfortunately, it'll be at the cost of social programs, but watching billions go into the pockets of companies that didn't need it makes my blood boil.  Now the cost will be the less fortunate paying for all those CEO bonuses.

For me, along with the COVIDiocy, it's the lack of concern for the environment.  LGBTQ have won many battles, I don't think the CPC can put that genie back in the bottle, but they are dinosaurs when it comes to the environment and COVID.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 03, 2021, 06:40:00 pm
I've warmed up to a lot of their platforms as well.  The COVID spending as many of you have heard me discuss, was the nail on JT's coffin (after his love of pipelines).  I like that CPC is trying to bring a balanced budget.  Unfortunately, it'll be at the cost of social programs, but watching billions go into the pockets of companies that didn't need it makes my blood boil.  Now the cost will be the less fortunate paying for all those CEO bonuses.

For me, along with the COVIDiocy, it's the lack of concern for the environment.  LGBTQ have won many battles, I don't think the CPC can put that genie back in the bottle, but they are dinosaurs when it comes to the environment and COVID.

My main concern with CPC is their COVID governing and climate change.  Since they'd get a minority they won't be able to pass any legislation without another party and the others are all leftwing parties, so that's somewhat reassuring, as is that they'll continue to lean to the center (at least O'Toole and probably cabinet will) in order to maintain voter support as Harper did and the NDP did when they were official minority in the Mulcair era.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 07, 2021, 01:16:32 pm
Does anyone have any clue what the CPC policy is on Trudeau’s gun control (half)measures?

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6166354
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Today, the Conservatives added a footnote to that campaign pledge to repeal C-71 and the order-in-council, saying that "all firearms that are currently banned will remain banned."

So he is in favour of Trudeau’s most recent gun control measures?  That should make his base super happy!  LOL
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 07, 2021, 01:34:51 pm
So he is in favour of Trudeau’s most recent gun control measures?  That should make his base super happy!  LOL

oh they hate him all right...

They are trying to say that any favourable coverage of O'Toole by the CBC is NOT evidence that CBC tries to be objective but FURTHER PROOF that they are biased because O'Toole is a true Liberal.  Make sense ?  :)
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 07, 2021, 02:35:06 pm
Does anyone have any clue what the CPC policy is on Trudeau’s gun control (half)measures?

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6166354
So he is in favour of Trudeau’s most recent gun control measures?  That should make his base super happy!  LOL

Trudeau sucks on so many issues that he's trying to make the campaign about gun control now.  Nice diversion.

He's the idiot who is bringing in gazillions of people from all over the world as refugees who can't speak english and aren't educated and then their children grow up poor in low income neighbourhoods with their parents working all day and night to scrape by and the parents are on drugs to deal with the stress, so the kids join gangs to have a family and traffic drugs and steal cars because its the only way they'll ever make a good income, and of course they need to buy guns to protect themselves when the drug deals go down and gun laws in Canada are already strong so to get the handguns and automatic weapons they smuggle them from the US.  But nobody has the balls to point out what the real problem is and certainly not fix it.  So they blame the gun laws like a bunch of morons.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 07, 2021, 03:23:18 pm
Quite the leap of logic there Graham.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 07, 2021, 04:51:06 pm
Quite the leap of logic there Graham.

Why?  Why do young men join gangs?  Why do they traffic drugs?   Why do they feel they need to own handguns and automatic weapons?   What demographics in Canada are doing these things, and why?

People who aren't brave enough to make the tough calls need to move out of the way for those that can.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 07, 2021, 05:37:24 pm
Trudeau sucks on so many issues that he's trying to make the campaign about gun control now.  Nice diversion.

He's the idiot who is bringing in gazillions of people from all over the world as refugees who can't speak english and aren't educated and then their children grow up poor in low income neighbourhoods with their parents working all day and night to scrape by and the parents are on drugs to deal with the stress, so the kids join gangs to have a family and traffic drugs and steal cars because its the only way they'll ever make a good income, and of course they need to buy guns to protect themselves when the drug deals go down and gun laws in Canada are already strong so to get the handguns and automatic weapons they smuggle them from the US.  But nobody has the balls to point out what the real problem is and certainly not fix it.  So they blame the gun laws like a bunch of morons.

Gun control (or the repeal of) is part of the Conservative Party’s platform!  They think it’s very important.  In their platform, they were to repeal the Liberal Government’s latest gun control laws.

Now, I think, they’re actually for those changes, or at least saying they aren’t going to repeal them.  This has really nothing to do with the Libs, but with the Conservative platform.    The fact that they’re not the least bit coherent is not Trudeau’s fault.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 07, 2021, 05:47:14 pm
Gun control (or the repeal of) is part of the Conservative Party’s platform!  They think it’s very important.  In their platform, they were to repeal the Liberal Government’s latest gun control laws.

Now, I think, they’re actually for those changes, or at least saying they aren’t going to repeal them.  This has really nothing to do with the Libs, but with the Conservative platform.    The fact that they’re not the least bit coherent is not Trudeau’s fault.

Criminals who deal in the trafficking of illegal drugs and illegal guns don't typically use legally acquired firearms. Trudeau is trying to make this a wedge issue, the fact that we're discussing it right now instead of other pressing issues is proof of that.  O'Toole hasn't been responding well to the tactic.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: The Cynic on September 07, 2021, 06:01:50 pm
Criminals who deal in the trafficking of illegal drugs and illegal guns don't typically use legally acquired firearms. Trudeau is trying to make this a wedge issue, the fact that we're discussing it right now instead of other pressing issues is proof of that.  O'Toole hasn't been responding well to the tactic.

No. And this is an issue in which he's right and it should be easy to make that obvious, but the Liberals, not wanting to run on their record, are making this election all about stupid wedge issues that don't matter, so he's trying to just dump them and focus on things which do matter.

I'm not sure he could explain it that easily to urbanites who are ignorant of everything related to firearms anyway. All they know is that guns are scary. And if Trudeau calls these 'military style assault weapons' then they're not going to know enough to laugh out loud at him. And the more they talk about **** like this or abortion the less they're talking about what a failure and a fraud Trudeau has been.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: The Cynic on September 07, 2021, 06:04:44 pm
Now, I think, they’re actually for those changes, or at least saying they aren’t going to repeal them.  This has really nothing to do with the Libs, but with the Conservative platform.    The fact that they’re not the least bit coherent is not Trudeau’s fault.

The position is they accept the ban but will examine the 1500 odd rifles and shotguns the Trudeaites cut and pasted onto this list to see if some of them should come off.  I imagine that would involve establishing criteria as to what constitutes an 'assault weapon' which is not something the Trudeauites bothered to do other than simply grab anything off an online catalog that looked scary.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 08, 2021, 11:34:16 am
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Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 08, 2021, 11:37:11 am
The position is they accept the ban but will examine the 1500 odd rifles and shotguns the Trudeaites cut and pasted onto this list to see if some of them should come off.

They’re platform said that they would get rid of it immediately and that the latest gun laws were completely unnecessary. 

Why do you think this changed?

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  I imagine that would involve establishing criteria as to what constitutes an 'assault weapon' which is not something the Trudeauites bothered to do other than simply grab anything off an online catalog that looked scary.

Assault rifles have been banned in Canada a long time.  This has nothing to do with assault rifles.

I do agree that the Trudeau gun ban was pretty pointless.  But, in my view, it should have gone much, much further in restricting guns.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: The Cynic on September 08, 2021, 12:22:18 pm
They’re platform said that they would get rid of it immediately and that the latest gun laws were completely unnecessary. 

Why do you think this changed?

Because Trudeau is trying to turn the election into a discussion of wedge issues which will allow him to appeal to people's emotions and fears, especially urbanites who know little or nothing about firearms. There was no profit in O'Toole going along with this as it plays to Trudeau's strength. Better to simply say we'll look at the list and edit it down.

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I do agree that the Trudeau gun ban was pretty pointless.  But, in my view, it should have gone much, much further in restricting guns.
Almost all the murders in this country are criminals shooting each other with illegal weapons smuggled across The US border. If you want to do something about that you crack down on the smuggling, sales, possession and use of illegal firearms. The Liberals have done the opposite by lifting mandatory minimums for a variety of gun crimes.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 08, 2021, 02:06:31 pm
Because Trudeau …

No, no….   Why did O’Toole change his party’s platform?  Trudeau didn’t hold a gun to O’Toole’s head!

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Almost all the murders in this country are criminals shooting each other with illegal weapons smuggled across The US border. If you want to do something about that you crack down on the smuggling, sales, possession and use of illegal firearms. The Liberals have done the opposite by lifting mandatory minimums for a variety of gun crimes.

I don’t disagree with your first part.

The mandatory minimum thing is just a right-wing talking point and a red herring to the conversation.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 08, 2021, 02:23:43 pm
No, no….   Why did O’Toole change his party’s platform?

Pandering to Canadians instead of just his base.  It's the only way they'll be able to govern well.

Imagine if Canada had a party that had policies the majority of Canadians wanted instead of just pushing their own ideological BS.  A guy can dream...
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 09, 2021, 01:19:03 pm
I received my mail in ballot today.

How will you be voting this election?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 09, 2021, 02:16:53 pm
I received my mail in ballot today.

How will you be voting this election?

You apply online for that?  How long did it take to get in the mail?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 09, 2021, 02:42:02 pm
I received my mail in ballot today.

How will you be voting this election?

I was gonna do that but I'm gonna pop in quickly for early election. 

The CPC candidate defeated the incumbent NDP in 2019 with ~150 votes and it was the most 3 way split I've ever seen in my life.  All night the lead kept going back and forth between them until the very end when CPC won. 

This time there is no Green candidate and the Liberal candidate isn't as strong so hopefully we get our NDP MP back.  She's great.  Jagmeet has campaigned here with her a few times too. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 09, 2021, 05:36:55 pm
You apply online for that?  How long did it take to get in the mail?

It took a week.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 10, 2021, 06:44:03 pm
Waldo deep in the Liberal War Room these days is see.  He'll be back shortly after the election when work calms down.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 14, 2021, 02:16:13 pm
The latest odds from the CBC poll Tracker:

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16%
Probability of the Liberals winning a majority
56%
Probability of the Liberals winning the most seats but not a majority
27%
Probability of the Conservatives winning the most seats but not a majority
1%
Probability of the Conservatives winning a majority

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

We will likely see a Lib minority again.  Probably the best thing that could happen in terms of realistic outcomes.  I do hope that it’s a smaller minority than they have now. 

I’d like the NDP and Cons to team up and ditch these clowns, but I don’t think they would do that.

I voted by mail yesterday. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 14, 2021, 02:21:39 pm
Looking forward to Waldo's postmortem on the election
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 14, 2021, 02:37:01 pm
Looking forward to Waldo's postmortem on the election

It won’t happen in this thread.  Please note the title….  Take your Waldo talk to a different thread.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 14, 2021, 03:21:01 pm
The latest odds from the CBC poll Tracker:

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

We will likely see a Lib minority again.  Probably the best thing that could happen in terms of realistic outcomes.  I do hope that it’s a smaller minority than they have now. 

I’d like the NDP and Cons to team up and ditch these clowns, but I don’t think they would do that.

I voted by mail yesterday.

Maybe a more likely scenario would be the Libs winning less seats than the Cons and needing to have a coalition with the NDP…. 

That is now my ideal scenario that is also somewhat realistic.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 14, 2021, 04:49:21 pm
You know when you go to a restaurant and spend 20 minutes reading the menu only to order the same thing you do every time?

That's me every election with the NDP. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 15, 2021, 11:48:06 am
You know when you go to a restaurant and spend 20 minutes reading the menu only to order the same thing you do every time?

That's me every election with the NDP.

The NDP sent me a very well designed flyer citing the chaos in the Green Party, quoting their own leader that the party is full of racists, and other highlights of the Green’s implosion.

Smart, truthful ad.  Hopefully it works, as the Greens and NDP, it’s a smattering of Libs, in this riding are splitting the votes enough that it looks like it may go Conservative.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 15, 2021, 12:55:34 pm
I like the Greens having a smattering of seats until they get a full vision of what they are doing.

My brother was a **** Green guy who just gave them up.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 15, 2021, 05:12:06 pm
The PPC got 1.6% of the vote last time.  They're now polling over 6%.  Vaccines/lockdowns helping them.  I wonder how many will switch to CPC when it's time to vote.

Half their platform I actually agree with.  The other half has a lot of neoliberal free market stuff that turns me off, and they attract the Trumpist wing-dings.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 15, 2021, 08:13:29 pm
They are crazy.  Their budget is bonkers.  They would burn down the HoC and cut all services.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 15, 2021, 08:28:47 pm
They would burn down the HoC and cut all services.

That’s the half that Graham likes maybe….?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 15, 2021, 08:59:11 pm
That’s the half that Graham likes maybe….?

I find it remarkably easy to shut people up on Facebook by asking them basic questions.

It's pretty clear to me that any poster from here knows more than 100 average voters.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 15, 2021, 10:47:58 pm
They are crazy.  Their budget is bonkers.  They would burn down the HoC and cut all services.

Oh I agree they're crazy, and so is Bernier, I would never vote for them.  They're economically about as rightwing as you can get.  I didn't see the policy about burning down the HoC, but they would cut a ton of services.  They also don't believe in man-made global warming lol.

Ok looking again maybe not half their platform I agree with, maybe like 20%, and the other 80% is insane.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 15, 2021, 11:46:11 pm
I'm guessing the reduction of immigration is the part you like.  That's fair, I think most of us agree that it's too much too fast. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 15, 2021, 11:53:45 pm
The NDP sent me a very well designed flyer citing the chaos in the Green Party, quoting their own leader that the party is full of racists, and other highlights of the Green’s implosion.

Smart, truthful ad.  Hopefully it works, as the Greens and NDP, it’s a smattering of Libs, in this riding are splitting the votes enough that it looks like it may go Conservative.

I'd be curious to see what that looks like.  Was it the Israel criticism?  I know it was a weird hill to die on, but as a critic of Israel I personally think it's good to see at least one party call it as it is.

Vote splitting...  drives me nuts.  My mom has voted Green for many years and I can't talk politics with her anymore because of it.  There is no Green candidate this time so she voted Liberal even though she hates Trudeau for the Trans Mountain Expansion AND the race is between NDP and CPC in this riding.

I'm starting to think she just likes to drive me nuts with the vote splitting.  But it's actually Singh she doesn't like, much to my dismay.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 16, 2021, 08:36:24 am
  I agree with, maybe like 20%

What DO you like in their playbook then ?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 16, 2021, 08:37:35 am
I'm guessing the reduction of immigration is the part you like.  That's fair, I think most of us agree that it's too much too fast.

I think that it could be better managed.  By "could" I mean that it would be possible with a sea change in politics... smarter public, more consultation, shutting up the moralists on both sides...
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 16, 2021, 07:01:12 pm
What DO you like in their playbook then ?

- A People’s Party government is committed to seeking options to replace the paternalistic Indian Act, which keeps indigenous peoples in a state of dependency and allows the federal government to control most aspects of their lives, with a new legal framework that guarantees equal rights and responsibilities to indigenous people as Canadians, and promotes the self-reliance of communities.

-A People’s Party government will respect our Constitution and treaties. It will reaffirm the federal government’s power to approve natural resources and infrastructure projects, after adequate consultations with affected indigenous groups, and in partnership with them to ensure they can benefit from these economic opportunities.

-Substantially reduce immigration quotas, from about 400k planned by the Liberal government, down to 100k-150k per year. This will help reduce demand for housing and cool down these markets, especially in the large cities where most immigrants settle.

-Modify the Bank of Canada’s inflation target, from 2% to 0%. This will cool down inflation in all sectors, including housing.

-Stop funding social housing, which unfairly competes with private developers and has historically been a financial, social and urban planning disaster in every city where it’s become widespread. It is not the government’s role to build and rent apartments.

-Restrict the definition of hate speech in the Criminal Code to expression which explicitly advocates the use of force against identifiable groups or persons based on protected criteria such as religion, race, ethnicity, sex, or sexual orientation.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 16, 2021, 07:09:44 pm
The hate speech change is baffling - basically repeal protection for trans people ?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 16, 2021, 07:54:57 pm
The hate speech change is baffling - basically repeal protection for trans people ?

No stop taking people to court and fake quasi court for saying "I hate X group".  That includes all types of groups under the law.

But violent threatening hate speech is still illegal.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 16, 2021, 08:02:54 pm
No stop taking people to court and fake quasi court for saying "I hate X group".  That includes all types of groups under the law.

I don't think hate speech has been redefined in law recently.  The only change I see is gender removed.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 18, 2021, 09:15:09 pm
Conservatives robo-texted me.  Another reason not to vote for the pricks.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 19, 2021, 01:27:50 am
I finally got around to watching the English debate tonight.  My favourite moment was after the debate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olRgy841nQE&t=62s
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 19, 2021, 05:53:17 am
Yes !!!
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 19, 2021, 05:54:31 pm
Right?  That wasn't even a question, it was just an attack.

Props to Jagmeet never losing his cool. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 19, 2021, 06:26:03 pm
Right?  That wasn't even a question, it was just an attack.

Props to Jagmeet never losing his cool.

I don't see any difference between this and Donald Trump saying "You're fake news" to CNN reporters and refusing to answer.  I don't really blame either Trump or Singh, i'm sure Rebel has said nasty things about him, they can answer or not answer from whomever they want.  The Bloc leader won't answer Rebel questions either.

Jagmeet is indeed good at never losing his cool.  JT has a hot temper.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 19, 2021, 06:45:04 pm
I don't see any difference between this and Donald Trump saying "You're fake news" to CNN reporters and refusing to answer. 

1)  CNN isn't a propaganda mouthpiece spreading misinformation.  Now if Jagmeet refused answers from the National Post, I could see your point.
2)  What was the question, whatever it was got lost in the 'you're never gonna be prime minister and you act like a child'.  If they want to be taken seriously, they need to act seriously.

Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 19, 2021, 07:07:53 pm
1)  CNN isn't a propaganda mouthpiece spreading misinformation.

Have you watched CNN in the last 6 years?

Pretty much all US cable news is trash.

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2)  What was the question, whatever it was got lost in the 'you're never gonna be prime minister and you act like a child'.  If they want to be taken seriously, they need to act seriously.

He doesn't have to answer their questions.  He doesn't answer any of their questions.  He probably has a good reason for doing so.  People at the Rebel are d-bag morons.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 19, 2021, 07:43:49 pm
Have you watched CNN in the last 6 years?

Pretty much all US cable news is trash.

CNN the news channel is sensationalized like MSNBC and Fox, but if you go to CNN the news website, they report the news.  Their White House correspondents report for the news outlet. 

They may have a bias as do all news organizations, but they're more comparable to the National Post which I mentioned and you didn't address. 

Rebel News is not in the same class of reporting.  If you go to their website it's misinformation and sensationalism.  Yes, nobody has to answer any questions to anyone, but your comparison to CNN is way off base. 

CNN is more like the National Post and Globe and Mail.  Reputable, but with a slant.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 19, 2021, 07:52:38 pm
So folks, what are we predicting for tomorrow? 

Unlike last election, I think the PPC is going to damage to the CPC.  I am going for a slight Liberal minority with the NDP and CPC both making gains.

My riding was the closest race in Canada in 2019 with the CPC winning by a couple of hundred votes.  I'm calling for a much deserved NDP win this time around.   

Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 19, 2021, 08:02:10 pm
I agree... if anyone is undercounted it's the PPC and that can only damage the CPC.

But who knows - it's pretty close anything could happen.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 19, 2021, 10:08:12 pm
I agree... if anyone is undercounted it's the PPC and that can only damage the CPC.

But who knows - it's pretty close anything could happen.

Will be interesting how many voters from the fringe parties choose to vote strategically.  PPC could rob CPC of a victory.

The election is pretty darn close in the polls.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 20, 2021, 06:35:30 am

He doesn't have to answer their questions.  He doesn't answer any of their questions. 
It was barely a question, yet he answered it.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: kimmy on September 20, 2021, 10:14:09 am
My predictions:

 -CPC gets the most votes again

 -LPC gets the most seats again

 -a reduced minority, with Liberals dropping some seats in BC, Ontario, and Quebec.

 -PPC gets a bigger share of votes than they are polling at, especially in rural ridings and the West, but doesn't translate into seats except possibly for Bernier's own seat.

 -expectations for Justin have been set so low that when he achieves a mediocre result tonight it will be hailed as a great comeback by a cagey, scrappy political veteran. "How does he do it?" ask astounded talking heads who forgot that when he called this election people thought he'd win his majority back.

 -the NDP hold onto Edmonton Strathcona, the tiny dot of orange in the sea of blue.

I will go vote in person today, and if anti-vaxx/anti-mask goons attempt to cough on me I will be dishing out snap-kicks like they're going out of style.

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: eyeball on September 20, 2021, 12:22:34 pm
No protesters blockading my polling station this morning.  Everyone knows one another here so voting is more like a little social gathering.  The integrity of the process was palpable.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 01:06:31 pm
Today I voted 3 times.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 01:22:10 pm
My predictions:

 -CPC gets the most votes again

Not this time…. Due to the PPC getting ~6%

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-LPC gets the most seats again

 -a reduced minority, with Liberals dropping some seats in BC, Ontario, and Quebec.

I think the CPC gets more seats but doesn’t take control due to a Lib/NDP coalition.  Ok…. That’s what I prefer, not what’s most likely…


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-PPC gets a bigger share of votes than they are polling at, especially in rural ridings and the West, but doesn't translate into seats except possibly for Bernier's own seat.

I doubt the polling is far off…. 6%….  Enough to make your first prediction not come true.

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-expectations for Justin have been set so low that when he achieves a mediocre result tonight it will be hailed as a great comeback by a cagey, scrappy political veteran. "How does he do it?" ask astounded talking heads who forgot that when he called this election people thought he'd win his majority back.

Naw…. He has been roundly questioned/criticized why there was even an election.  He will be harmed significantly if he doesn’t get a majority.  His crass power grab will be called out for what it is, as has already been happening.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: eyeball on September 20, 2021, 01:42:54 pm
I think Singh's most effective post-election strategy would be to propose legislation for some of issues that Trudeau has been pledging but not delivering on. Climate, reconciliation and election reform. Force the Liberals to either vote for or against their own promises. That's what I'd do.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 03:02:43 pm
I think Singh's most effective post-election strategy would be to propose legislation for some of issues that Trudeau has been pledging but not delivering on. Climate, reconciliation and election reform. Force the Liberals to either vote for or against their own promises. That's what I'd do.

I like it. 

It might not have the desired effect, as very few in the public are actually politically engaged, but it doesn’t seem to me to have much downside.

That’s why I want the CPC to win more seats…. It might just force the Libs to do this if they have to have a coalition to keep governing.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 03:55:19 pm
Today I voted 3 times.

Geez nobody has a sense of himour around here?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 04:15:25 pm
All the parties are pretty terrible.  In fact I think all the parties are at least partially insane.  Thankfully it will be a minority, another 2 years for whoever wins.

O'Toole ran a better campaign than Scheer, who had some of his religious issues creep up (because he was also insane), yet CPC not really polling much better.

I wish Singh spent 10 more years in the private sector and then ran for office.  People think he's nice but on issues he sounds like he has no idea what's he's talking about.

I think the Greens and NDP should merge (if they were wise, which they aren't), ideologically they're almost the same.  Unfortunately politically they're both the throwaway protest vote for people who don't like the Liberals.

I was very impressed by the Green leader's speaking ability, she's good on her feet and actually seems nice.

Can we shove a sock in Rosemary Barton's mouth?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 05:10:16 pm
All the parties are pretty terrible.  In fact I think all the parties are at least partially insane.  Thankfully it will be a minority, another 2 years for whoever wins.

O'Toole ran a better campaign than Scheer, who had some of his religious issues creep up (because he was also insane), yet CPC not really polling much better.

I wish Singh spent 10 more years in the private sector and then ran for office.  People think he's nice but on issues he sounds like he has no idea what's he's talking about.

I think the Greens and NDP should merge (if they were wise, which they aren't), ideologically they're almost the same.  Unfortunately politically they're both the throwaway protest vote for people who don't like the Liberals.

I was very impressed by the Green leader's speaking ability, she's good on her feet and actually seems nice.

Can we shove a sock in Rosemary Barton's mouth?

“10 more years n private sector” is simply a nonsense statement.  The private sector does not make one’s ideas more coherent.  He has spent as much time in the private sector as O’Toole and more than Trudeau.

NDP is not a “throwaway vote”, unless you want a 2-party system.  In that world, everything other than the 2 parties is a wasted vote and no other party could ever attain power.  That’s rather silly.

I agree about the Green Party leader.  I would have had no problem supporting the Greens had they kept their internal issues within the party and solved them there.  Ignorance would have been bliss, in that case.  Instead, we heard the leader thinks her party is full of racists and that many Greens running the party are obsessed with the Middle East. 

I like Rosemary.  Both the herb and the CBC mouthpiece. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 07:02:39 pm
“10 more years n private sector” is simply a nonsense statement.  The private sector does not make one’s ideas more coherent.  He has spent as much time in the private sector as O’Toole and more than Trudeau.

Trudeau was woefully unprepared and underqualified to run a country, not a very good comparison.  I don't know enough about O'Toole's background to comment.  Singh is underqualified.  He's green, he's not even very educated on political issues even at this point, which is scary.  10 years of general life experience and in the work world outside government would do him well.  He had his own law partnership i believe, continue that and that would have taught him a lot about managing people and a business.  I think government experience is important too if you're planning on running a government.  Very different environments.

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I agree about the Green Party leader.  I would have had no problem supporting the Greens had they kept their internal issues within the party and solved them there.  Ignorance would have been bliss, in that case.  Instead, we heard the leader thinks her party is full of racists and that many Greens running the party are obsessed with the Middle East. 

What did she mean by racists?  Like anti-semites?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 07:19:46 pm
CTV has a great panel of commentators, MP's like JWR and Olivia Chow.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 20, 2021, 07:48:31 pm
Did we turn off that nifty online discussion thing ?  The chat box ?  I don't see it.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 08:05:21 pm
Did we turn off that nifty online discussion thing ?  The chat box ?  I don't see it.

It has been gone for a long time. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 08:16:29 pm
Trudeau was woefully unprepared and underqualified to run a country, not a very good comparison.  I don't know enough about O'Toole's background to comment.  Singh is underqualified.  He's green, he's not even very educated on political issues even at this point, which is scary.  10 years of general life experience and in the work world outside government would do him well.  He had his own law partnership i believe, continue that and that would have taught him a lot about managing people and a business.  I think government experience is important too if you're planning on running a government.  Very different environments.

Again, his experience in the private sector is the same or better than the other leaders, so it makes no sense. 

10 more years in the private sector won’t help you agree with his ideas.

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What did she mean by racists?  Like anti-semites?

I don’t know…. I don’t remember her qualifying her statements. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/annamie-paul-emergency-meeting-reaction-1.6068280
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 08:20:44 pm
So far, the Libs are ahead….  If Atlantic Canada is any indication, it looks like the Libs will be in for the biggest majority government ever.  And the NDP will be blanked. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 09:26:24 pm
CBC calls it for the Libs.  But with unknown # of seats. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 20, 2021, 09:41:46 pm
Good I will get to bed now. 😴
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 09:43:12 pm
The seat counts don't look like they're changing much.  Useless election spreading COVID risk to much of the country?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 09:50:15 pm
CTV projecting Liberal minority.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 09:56:30 pm
So WTF did this election solve that couldn’t wait 2 years (other that Trudeau’s ego)?  Crass power grab.  Dirtbag Libs.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 09:58:09 pm
3 Greens leading….  2 on the Island again.  Their leader is in 4th place in her riding.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 10:00:10 pm
Maryum Monsef lost her seat.  Bye biznatch.

Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 10:01:11 pm
Pretty sure Bernier lost his riding...again.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 10:12:40 pm
Pretty sure Bernier lost his riding...again.

He didn’t just lose…. He was trounced. He came in 4th.


Vancouver Island is all orange now, except for May’s riding.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 10:33:44 pm
He didn’t just lose…. He was trounced. He came in 4th.


Vancouver Island is all orange now, except for May’s riding.

Green Leader Paul was also destroyed in Toronto Centre, finished a distant 4th.  That was surprising, but most people may have just read the headlines and not heard her speak.  Maybe a good thing for the Greens to start fresh with a new leader.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 10:38:01 pm
GTA, Ottawa-Gatineau, Montreal island is basically all Liberal. 

It's interesting to me that virtually all of the areas in the country that have a lot of aboriginals either go NDP or conservative...in other words, not Liberal.  They don't seem to like the symbolic and superficial efforts from the Liberals with little real meaningful change.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 20, 2021, 10:40:30 pm
In the Prairies for the popular vote the CPC down 12%, the PPC up 5%, NDP also up i think 6%.  Maybe mad at Kenney and O'Toole's going to the center.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 20, 2021, 10:44:15 pm
My riding flipped orange! 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 10:48:13 pm
My riding flipped orange!

Mine is way too close to call but is leaning orange, rather than Green.

EDIT:

Now it’s Cons in the lead.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 20, 2021, 11:15:38 pm
I've kept my eye on the island, I hadn't seen any blue at any time but yeah I just saw that.  So close!  That's what it was like in 2019 for me and at the very end Shin pulled it off. 

I may have gotten excited prematurely too, we're only ~60% counted, but Zarrillo has a considerable lead.  She's at 37% and the con is at 30%.  That they're not calling it for her worries me...
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 20, 2021, 11:17:44 pm
MP, Elizabeth May tweeted earlier today supporting your Green candidate and saying how the NDP ran an ugly campaign.  I'm now so curious what your flyer said. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Sir Humphrey on September 20, 2021, 11:34:09 pm
Looks like Trudeau has formed another government--minority government.

I believe the last German election required weeks of negotiation before the "grand coalition" was voted in. Ditto Sweden (in an attempt to keep the Swedish Democrats out of the Riksdag) and Israel and Belgium always wait for weeks before a coalition is formed.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada rarely does coalitions? I think you had one during the world wars, and maybe one other time?

Why do you do minority governments, rather than coalitions (like many other parliamentary democracies)?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 20, 2021, 11:34:24 pm
O'Toole's speech isn't very gracious.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 20, 2021, 11:38:12 pm
Its official, my ridding flipped!  I guess the 600 mil was worth it after all!
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 20, 2021, 11:39:52 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada rarely does coalitions? I think you had one during the world wars, and maybe one other time?

Why do you do minority governments, rather than coalitions (like many other parliamentary democracies)?

In 2008 the Bloc, NDP and Liberals tried a coalition government and the country acted like it was treason.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 11:40:31 pm
I've kept my eye on the island, I hadn't seen any blue at any time but yeah I just saw that.  So close!  That's what it was like in 2019 for me and at the very end Shin pulled it off. 

I may have gotten excited prematurely too, we're only ~60% counted, but Zarrillo has a considerable lead.  She's at 37% and the con is at 30%.  That they're not calling it for her worries me...

It has swung orange again on the Island….
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 20, 2021, 11:41:49 pm
MP, Elizabeth May tweeted earlier today supporting your Green candidate and saying how the NDP ran an ugly campaign.  I'm now so curious what your flyer said.

Darn.  I tossed it, or I’d post a pic.  I thought it was pretty effective and truthful.

I think the Greens imploded and the NDP was just pointing it out.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 20, 2021, 11:44:30 pm
It has swung orange again on the Island….

That's the one I'm watching now.  Looks like mine in 2019, it was a brutal night flickering back and forth all night.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 12:14:50 am
The anti-abortion group “Campaign Life” has already come out with their knives to get rid of O’Toole for going too far left. 

Will O’Toole get the boot by his party?  Will they go further right with a new leader?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: eyeball on September 21, 2021, 09:13:03 am
Why do you do minority governments, rather than coalitions (like many other parliamentary democracies)?
We're stuck with FPTP and a multi-party parliament would be my guess.

Being stuck seems to be the new normal. Oh well, maybe if nothing moves nothing gets hurt or at least not as hurt.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: segnosaur on September 21, 2021, 10:12:26 am
In 2008 the Bloc, NDP and Liberals tried a coalition government and the country acted like it was treason.
I think the reason why is that the coalition was to include the Bloc, a party rooted in Quebec nationalism and separation.

Had they been able to put together a coalition with just the Liberals and NDP, it might have been better received.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: segnosaur on September 21, 2021, 10:23:36 am
Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada rarely does coalitions? I think you had one during the world wars, and maybe one other time?

Why do you do minority governments, rather than coalitions (like many other parliamentary democracies)?
It could be the fact that we have so few viable national parties.

For example, in Germany, they have over half a dozen parties currently holding multiple seats. This means both more fragmentation in parliament, and more opportunity to select allies.

In Canada, we usually end up with 3 national parties with a significant presence in parliament, and 2 parties seem to dominate. It makes it trickier to put together a coalition, since you have fewer possible alliances, and any team-up will involve a huge party combined with a smaller party (most likely a Liberal/NDP team up). You'd never have a Liberal/Conservative coalition since both parties are viable contenders to win majorities in future elections. And you won't have a Conservative/NDP coalition because the parties are too divided ideologically.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: segnosaur on September 21, 2021, 10:24:42 am
Sadly, the Leopards Eating People's Faces party failed to make any inroads in the election.

I'm beginning to think it was a wasted vote to support them.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 11:49:51 am
It could be the fact that we have so few viable national parties.

For example, in Germany, they have over half a dozen parties currently holding multiple seats. This means both more fragmentation in parliament, and more opportunity to select allies.

In Canada, we usually end up with 3 national parties with a significant presence in parliament, and 2 parties seem to dominate. It makes it trickier to put together a coalition, since you have fewer possible alliances, and any team-up will involve a huge party combined with a smaller party (most likely a Liberal/NDP team up). You'd never have a Liberal/Conservative coalition since both parties are viable contenders to win majorities in future elections. And you won't have a Conservative/NDP coalition because the parties are too divided ideologically.

That’s due to FPTP.

With a system that better represents the electorate, despite getting more popular vote, the parties on the left side of the spectrum would likely rule as a coalition.   

In that system, I think there would have been much less incentive for Trudeau to call an election as a majority government by 1 party would be even less likely.   However, in other circumstances, maybe there would be more elections if the coalitions couldn’t govern together.

But, looking at New Zealand, they have an election every 3 years.  So this notion that other systems produce unstable governments is probably people cherry picking the countries where this happens and saying “see?  This is what electoral reform would do”.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Boges on September 21, 2021, 12:10:56 pm
Don't tell anyone, but I voted Liberal.

O'Toole lost me with the refusal to criticize Jason Kenney's handling of COVID.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 12:20:54 pm
Don't tell anyone, but I voted Liberal.

O'Toole lost me with the refusal to criticize Jason Kenney's handling of COVID.

You’re more Liberal, but less liberal, than I am!  :)
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 21, 2021, 12:57:29 pm
I think the reason why is that the coalition was to include the Bloc, a party rooted in Quebec nationalism and separation.

Had they been able to put together a coalition with just the Liberals and NDP, it might have been better received.

"Recollections vary".

I don't remember that part, I just remember them being pissed they didn't get Harper.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 21, 2021, 01:01:59 pm
The anti-abortion group “Campaign Life” has already come out with their knives to get rid of O’Toole for going too far left. 

Will O’Toole get the boot by his party?  Will they go further right with a new leader?


I saw that on the news too last night.  I think it's going to be one of the most interesting developments from here on.  Will they go more right to quash the PPC or move to the centre hoping to unseat the Liberals.

It's actually kinda worrying to see this happening in Canada.  We are going to end up with an even more corrupt Liberal government or see a real Trump style major party in Canada. 

Neither option is inviting.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 21, 2021, 01:11:00 pm
Don't tell anyone, but I voted Liberal.
 

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Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 01:11:15 pm

I saw that on the news too last night.  I think it's going to be one of the most interesting developments from here on.  Will they go more right to quash the PPC or move to the centre hoping to unseat the Liberals.

It's actually kinda worrying to see this happening in Canada.  We are going to end up with an even more corrupt Liberal government or see a real Trump style major party in Canada. 

Neither option is inviting.

So far, so good….  The Libs are being held to a minority in parliament.  I think O’Toole sees that he has to swing very hard toward the mainstream of Canada.  If they only take Alberta by 10 points, but they take more seats elsewhere, then they can actually have a chance of winning.  They don’t even need to increase their vote #s.  They just need to shift them elsewhere.

If they double-down on catering to gun nuts, social conservatives and anti-vaxxers and move more right wing, they’ll lose even worse.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: The Cynic on September 21, 2021, 01:47:25 pm
Don't tell anyone, but I voted Liberal.

O'Toole lost me with the refusal to criticize Jason Kenney's handling of COVID.

You voted for Trudeau because O'Toole wouldn't criticize Jason Kenny's handling of COVID even though Trudeau's handling of COVID was arguably worse....
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: The Cynic on September 21, 2021, 01:49:16 pm
So far, so good….  The Libs are being held to a minority in parliament.  I think O’Toole sees that he has to swing very hard toward the mainstream of Canada.  If they only take Alberta by 10 points, but they take more seats elsewhere, then they can actually have a chance of winning.  They don’t even need to increase their vote #s.  They just need to shift them elsewhere.

If they double-down on catering to gun nuts, social conservatives and anti-vaxxers and move more right wing, they’ll lose even worse.

He made no progress on that, actually losing votes in the 905 area. So in exchange for giving up those right wing votes he got nothing in return. He got fewer votes and seats than Scheer did.

What does 'double down' mean when they don't cater to social conservatives at all? As for 'gun nuts' that so-called assault weapon list has always been a joke in that there are no assault weapons on it. Anyone who calls those guns 'assault weapons' is either a liar or simply ignorant about the realities of firearms.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Boges on September 21, 2021, 01:49:36 pm
You voted for Trudeau because O'Toole wouldn't criticize Jason Kenny's handling of COVID even though Trudeau's handling of COVID was arguably worse....

It wasn't.

JT struck the right tone on COVID.

Anti-Vaxxers should receive no quarter.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: The Cynic on September 21, 2021, 01:54:42 pm
It wasn't.

JT struck the right tone on COVID.

Anti-Vaxxers should receive no quarter.

Was it the refusal to pay any attention to it until almost April which you thought was the right tone? Calling those who wanted to close the borders 'racists'? Flatly refusing to implement any kind of health screening at the borders or a real quarantine? Perhaps you were impressed by his great deal for vaccines he made with China? Or that when he found out he was being played he threw massive amounts of money at pharmaceutical companies to be let in line? We don't even know how much because his 'open government' doesn't include giving out information on what he's spending money on.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Boges on September 21, 2021, 01:57:17 pm
Was it the refusal to pay any attention to it until almost April which you thought was the right tone? Calling those who wanted to close the borders 'racists'? Flatly refusing to implement any kind of health screening at the borders or a real quarantine? Perhaps you were impressed by his great deal for vaccines he made with China? Or that when he found out he was being played he threw massive amounts of money at pharmaceutical companies to be let in line? We don't even know how much because his 'open government' doesn't include giving out information on what he's spending money on.

Hey Shady LOL
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: MH on September 21, 2021, 02:10:38 pm
Please don't Blaspheme on here.

Shady wouldn't deign to come to the 'leftist' forum...

(That's what this is called even though the founders and proponents are mostly conservative)

But... welcome shady

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Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: The Cynic on September 21, 2021, 02:12:16 pm
Hey Shady LOL

LOL
The sound a man makes as he confidently asserts something dumb.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 21, 2021, 02:21:02 pm
LOL
The sound a man makes as he confidently asserts something dumb.


You would be asking what that even means if you weren't.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 02:30:39 pm

You would be asking what that even means if you weren't.

Busted!
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 21, 2021, 06:45:42 pm
The waldo has returned a couple of hours after the election winner was called and thus has fulfilled the prophecy.

Some say Graham is a conspiracy theorist, but others say he can read between the lines...
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: segnosaur on September 21, 2021, 08:40:15 pm
Re: possible coalitions in the Canadian system failing...
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I think the reason why is that the coalition was to include the Bloc, a party rooted in Quebec nationalism and separation.
Had they been able to put together a coalition with just the Liberals and NDP, it might have been better received.
"Recollections vary".

I don't remember that part, I just remember them being pissed they didn't get Harper.
Well, if it means anything:

From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/liberals-ndp-bloc-sign-deal-on-proposed-coalition-1.700119 (from 2008)
The Liberals and New Democrats signed an agreement on Monday to form an unprecedented coalition government, with a written pledge of support from the Bloc Québécois, if they are successful in ousting the minority Conservative government in a coming confidence vote.

it wouldn't have been a "full" coalition (with Bloc members serving in cabinet), but in my opinion, their participation in the agreement would have been enough to poison it.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: kimmy on September 21, 2021, 09:56:26 pm
Maryum Monsef lost her seat.  Bye biznatch.

This is an addition by subtraction kind of thing, kind of like the CPC losing Derek Sloan. She was a low-performing cabinet minister even before she called the Taliban "her brothers".  She wouldn't have been anywhere near a cabinet post if not for the Trudeau promise of a gender-balanced cabinet. With Monsef and two other mediocre female cabinet ministers gone plus Catherine McKenna retiring from politics, the Liberals will have to dig deep into the back benches to find more female MPs to put in cabinet. 4 women even less talented than Monsef will soon have cabinet posts. Ponder that for a moment.

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 10:03:53 pm
This is an addition by subtraction kind of thing, kind of like the CPC losing Derek Sloan. She was a low-performing cabinet minister even before she called the Taliban "her brothers".  She wouldn't have been anywhere near a cabinet post if not for the Trudeau promise of a gender-balanced cabinet. With Monsef and two other mediocre female cabinet ministers gone plus Catherine McKenna retiring from politics, the Liberals will have to dig deep into the back benches to find more female MPs to put in cabinet. 4 women even less talented than Monsef will soon have cabinet posts. Ponder that for a moment.

 -k

Really?  Are you actually this cynical that you think every new female MP will not be worthy of a cabinet post?

What do you think of this one?  All the male MPs are better than her too?

Sudds worked as an economist in the federal government for twelve years before becoming the inaugural President and Executive Director of the Kanata North Business Association, after being appointed to the role by a hiring committee that consisted of her predecessor on Council, Marianne Wilkinson.[6] From November 2017 to November 2018, Sudds was the inaugural Executive Director at the CIO Strategy Council, a national technology council.[7] In March 2018, she announced her decision to run for Ottawa City Council, Kanata North.

Sudds has been a longtime volunteer with the Kanata Food Cupboard and the Ottawa Network for Education.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: kimmy on September 21, 2021, 10:11:56 pm
Really?  Are you actually this cynical that you think every new female MP will not be worthy of a cabinet post?

I'm not sure that all males in cabinet are great finds either.  Randy Boissoneault will get an automatic cabinet post too, but I'm not sure if he has any qualifications beyond having a seat in Alberta.

But in the case of Monsef, that such a mediocre individual was a mainstay of cabinet is a testament to the lack of "bench strength" among female MPs. If Monsef was good enough to be in Cabinet, who are the women behind her who are about to get promotions? We're about to find out!

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: BC_cheque on September 22, 2021, 01:57:06 am
"Recollections vary".

I don't remember that part, I just remember them being pissed they didn't get Harper.

Well, if it means anything:

From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/liberals-ndp-bloc-sign-deal-on-proposed-coalition-1.700119 (from 2008)
The Liberals and New Democrats signed an agreement on Monday to form an unprecedented coalition government, with a written pledge of support from the Bloc Québécois, if they are successful in ousting the minority Conservative government in a coming confidence vote.

it wouldn't have been a "full" coalition (with Bloc members serving in cabinet), but in my opinion, their participation in the agreement would have been enough to poison it.

That's actually not what I meant with 'recollections vary'.  I know the Bloc was included in the coalition, I just don't remember the outrage being because because of it.

I remember on the old site, and also in the office I was working at the time, a lot of people were just peeved that the party with the most of number of seats wasn't about to form a government.   

I don't remember anyone citing the Bloc as their reason.  It was Stephane Dion they hated. 
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: segnosaur on September 22, 2021, 02:59:26 am
Quote
"Recollections vary".

I don't remember that part, I just remember them being pissed they didn't get Harper.

Well, if it means anything:

From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/liberals-ndp-bloc-sign-deal-on-proposed-coalition-1.700119 (from 2008)
The Liberals and New Democrats signed an agreement on Monday to form an unprecedented coalition government, with a written pledge of support from the Bloc Québécois
That's actually not what I meant with 'recollections vary'.  I know the Bloc was included in the coalition, I just don't remember the outrage being because because of it.

I remember on the old site, and also in the office I was working at the time, a lot of people were just peeved that the party with the most of number of seats wasn't about to form a government.   

I don't remember anyone citing the Bloc as their reason.  It was Stephane Dion they hated.
It might have depended on what part of the country you were in.

But then, even if there wasn't an immediate backlash against an "agreement with the separatists", it certainly would have been made an issue by the conservatives.

From: https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/the-year-in-review-2/surviving-the-coalition-the-parliamentary-crisis-of-2008/
The coalition leaders staged a big public signing of their agreement and decided to trot out Gilles Duceppe as if he were a full partner....Harper gave a rousing 45-minute speech...The speech attacked the coalition as an illegitimate, separatist-propelled power grab... Harper fumed. “Mr. Speaker, the highest principle of Canadian democracy is that if one wants to be prime minister, one gets one’s mandate from the Canadian people and not from Quebec separatists.
...
Duceppe had warned the Liberals about handling it properly...English Canada, Duceppe told them, would not react favourably to his presence.
...
Harper’s next move was to...ask the governor general to shut down Parliament...Harper had turned public opinion so effectively that it was now obvious...where Canadians stood....Most of the PM’s strategists favoured the prorogation. Kory Teneycke was one who did not. He felt...the governor general would not turn power over to the coalition — not given the Bloc involvement and where public opinion stood.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: The Cynic on September 22, 2021, 04:03:14 pm
Really?  Are you actually this cynical that you think every new female MP will not be worthy of a cabinet post?

What do you think of this one?  All the male MPs are better than her too?

Sudds worked as an economist in the federal government for twelve years before becoming the inaugural President and Executive Director of the Kanata North Business Association, after being appointed to the role by a hiring committee that consisted of her predecessor on Council, Marianne Wilkinson.[6] From November 2017 to November 2018, Sudds was the inaugural Executive Director at the CIO Strategy Council, a national technology council.[7] In March 2018, she announced her decision to run for Ottawa City Council, Kanata North.

Sudds has been a longtime volunteer with the Kanata Food Cupboard and the Ottawa Network for Education.


You mean she was given the job by a friend. And what did she accomplish there? Anything at all?
Face reality. If appointments were based on merit they would not be using a hard-coded gender quota.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 22, 2021, 04:30:24 pm
Really?  Are you actually this cynical that you think every new female MP will not be worthy of a cabinet post?

They may or may not be, we have no idea because the positions aren't chosen based on merit, but rather on your skin pigment and what swings between your legs.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 22, 2021, 04:36:03 pm
You mean she was given the job by a friend. And what did she accomplish there? Anything at all?
Face reality. If appointments were based on merit they would not be using a hard-coded gender quota.

She was?  How do you know this?
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 22, 2021, 04:37:36 pm
They may or may not be, we have no idea because the positions aren't chosen based on merit, but rather on your skin pigment and what swings between your legs.

You mean political positions are political?  Wow what insight.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 22, 2021, 05:15:31 pm
You mean political positions are political?  Wow what insight.

Yes based on identity politics where they openly discriminate against males and caucasians, which they call "diversity" and "equity" because that sounds a lot better.  But the black-faced white man who pushes this and who sexually assaulted a reporter and physically assaulted a female MP in Parliament gets to keep his job of course.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 22, 2021, 06:26:33 pm
Yes based on identity politics where they openly discriminate against males and caucasians, which they call "diversity" and "equity" because that sounds a lot better.  But the black-faced white man who pushes this and who sexually assaulted a reporter and physically assaulted a female MP in Parliament gets to keep his job of course.

Parliament can select a different MP to be PM.
Once again…. You’re upset that political positions are selected politically.  It seems like a bizarre thing to be upset about.

I don’t care who’s in cabinet positions.  I’ll judge the government on how well they have done governing.  If Trudeau selected a harem, I wouldn’t care.  If they did a good job, I’d say he picked well.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 22, 2021, 07:30:01 pm
Parliament can select a different MP to be PM.
Once again…. You’re upset that political positions are selected politically.  It seems like a bizarre thing to be upset about.

Competence is better than virtue signaling identity politics.  These people are running the country and massive government departments.  Also, much of public sector management is chosen Trudeau's way, and increasingly the private sector as well.

We're in head-to-head competition with China who are trying everything in their power to overtake us and we're caught up worrying if our government heads are bilingual ethnic-skinned women with indigenous roots rather than if they are the best people for the job.  The previous GG was a crazy person chosen because she was a bilingual female.  Maryum Monsef was Minister of Democratic Institutions and Gender Equality who calls the totalitarian anti-female Taliban her "brothers" while she lies about how her and her family obtained fraudulent immigration status in this country.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 22, 2021, 08:22:14 pm
Parliament can select a different MP to be PM.

Maybe Trudeau will step down so he can give his job to a woman. But he won't because he's self-serving, yet he's perfectly willing to deny jobs to a great many other white men across the the government based on the discriminatory grounds of gender and race.

Congrats squid you are woke.
Title: Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
Post by: segnosaur on September 24, 2021, 10:22:27 am
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It could be the fact that we have so few viable national parties.
...
In Canada, we usually end up with 3 national parties with a significant presence in parliament, and 2 parties seem to dominate. It makes it trickier to put together a coalition, since you have fewer possible alliances
That’s due to FPTP.
Yes, that's probably a major part of it, with newer, smaller parties having a more difficult time obtaining seats. (Although I am sure history has something to do with it too...)
Quote
With a system that better represents the electorate, despite getting more popular vote, the parties on the left side of the spectrum would likely rule as a coalition.
Actually I would say its hard to predict what would happen if we used a different voting system. Its possible that instead of the current "Big conservative/Liberal, medium NDP, smaller green/Bloc/PPC, you might see other newer parties appear all over the political spectrum, or parties may start shifting their policies. (Maybe if we had a different voting system a few decades ago, we'd still have the Progressive Conservative party around.)

You might see Liberal/NDP coalitions, you might also see Conservative/PPC coalitions (not that I would want that). You might also see Liberal/Conservative coalitions, if we ever got to the point where neither the conservatives nor the Liberals would ever be able to form a majority, but they were concerned about extremism from both ends of the political spectrum.
Title: Re: 2021 Governance (Waldo free)
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 02, 2021, 04:26:49 pm
The federal Libs didn’t seem to have any coherent plans to bring something like testing into place quickly in the case of other variants or other COVID related setbacks. 

They should’ve had this planned and ready to roll in a moment’s notice.  Instead, confusion and chaos.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-confusion-new-travel-measures-1.6271297

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CBC News has asked Health Canada to clarify when the arrival testing program will start and what form it will take when it's operational.

Ottawa requiring COVID-19 testing for some travellers, consulting experts on booster shots
Asked Thursday if airports are ready to hand out tests or arrange for on-site testing, the president of the Canadian Airports Council, the organization that represents many of the country's airports, said he's still not sure how the program will work.

"Unfortunately, we have no new information on how or when the new testing requirements will be implemented," Daniel-Robert Gooch told CBC News.

Gooch said it's simply not feasible to test all incoming passengers in the arrival halls of the country's largest airports.