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Title: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on July 13, 2021, 01:38:05 am
in the lead-up, the CPC has been working feverishly to shape and control how its leader's body image is portrayed in the media. Some are suggesting, certainly not the waldo, that said CPC shaping has crossed into overt photoshopped image manipulation! Apparently, this image of PM Trudeau caused a meltdown within the CPC 'brain trust'; one that resulted in a plethora of O'Foole running snaps - only to have those upstaged with the CPC just releasing the official Calgary visit photo:

(https://runningmagazine.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/16908253_258993304511280_4352465161357885440_n-1024x1024.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/pF3LA9o.jpg)
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on July 13, 2021, 01:58:42 am
Walduh thinks being in great shape equates to actual competence in governing. 

Truduh has proved that notion certainly isn’t true.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 13, 2021, 04:33:47 am
hey lil' buddy, you're the only one here equating, as you say, "great shape" to governing competence. Instead of your perpetual gutterSniping, think about why political parties invest so much time, energy and money into grooming... and projecting, the public image of a candidate, of a leader... to the electorate, hey!
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 13, 2021, 10:44:01 am
oh my! More... yet more, Green Party turmoil: Green Party brass move to block funding for leader Annamie Paul's riding campaign

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Green Party executives have moved to withhold funding from leader Annamie Paul's campaign to win a downtown Toronto seat in a likely election later this year.
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The move to halt cash flow follows layoffs last week of about half of the Greens' employees amid party infighting and divides that bubbled into public view when New Brunswick MP Jenica Atwin defected to the Liberals last month.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 18, 2021, 01:33:25 pm
to the haters, PM Trudeau is using a staged photo-op to campaign... led by prominent haters, the likes of Kinsella, Murphy, Toronto Sun, etc.. Apparently, furour rising over the use of a 'teddy-bear prop'. Both Sask Premier Moe and PM Trudeau, together, visited the unmarked graves at the site of the former Cowessess First Nation residential school. No concerns raised over Conservative Moe's like photo... or that of CPC leader O'Foole who brought and left a teddy-bear to, as he stated, "honour the 215 Indigenous children found in a grave in Kamloops." Go figure, hey!

(https://i.imgur.com/rvt2Bp6.jpg) 
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 20, 2021, 12:23:17 pm
hello! I'm Erin O'Toole and I'm running... to be your MP for Durham, Ontario!

(https://i.imgur.com/50P2rWO.jpg)
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 20, 2021, 12:36:39 pm
oh my! More... yet more, Green Party turmoil: Green Party brass move to block funding for leader Annamie Paul's riding campaign

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Green Party executives have moved to withhold funding from leader Annamie Paul's campaign to win a downtown Toronto seat in a likely election later this year.
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The move to halt cash flow follows layoffs last week of about half of the Greens' employees amid party infighting and divides that bubbled into public view when New Brunswick MP Jenica Atwin defected to the Liberals last month.

the Green Party shyte-show percolated further to the point where the Green Party's governing body announced it was set to hold a confidence vote on Paul's leadership and to review her membership in the party... but after this past weekend, to now announce the confidence vote has been cancelled and the review of Paul's party membership abandoned.

Quote from: Green Party leader Annamie Paul
The reason that I haven't {resigned} is because it should not be this difficult. It should not be this difficult for people of good will, people with experience, to offer it in service to their country.

There are too many good people that have found it impossible and I simply didn't want to be one of them.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: MH on July 20, 2021, 01:18:16 pm
Can somebody offer a top-level synopsis of WTF is going on with the Green Party ?
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 20, 2021, 07:45:55 pm
Can somebody offer a top-level synopsis of WTF is going on with the Green Party ?

The Green leader is Jewish.  People on the left are typically critical of Israel and are pro-Palestian, including those in the Green Party.  Fighting ensued.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 21, 2021, 12:53:44 am
Can somebody offer a top-level synopsis of WTF is going on with the Green Party?

member Gorgeous is right in terms of the faction rift within the federal Green Party (it would be insightful for the DumbTagger to explain why he tagged the member Gorgeous post... as Dumb - what say you, hey member squiggy?)

in any case, notwithstanding what's been going on 'behind the scenes', the public events and timeline leading to the departure of Green MP Jenica Atwin are well understood and documented.

per CBC - Fallout from Greens' feud continues as party opts not to renew top adviser's contract:
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Fresh fissures opened after Green MP Jenica Atwin directly challenged Paul's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Her tweet followed one a day earlier by Green MP Paul Manly, who said the planned removal of Palestinian families from the East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Sheikh Jarrah "is ethnic cleansing."

Noah Zatzman, senior adviser to party leader Annamie Paul, responded with a Facebook post stating that Greens "will work to defeat you and bring in progressive climate champions who are antifa and pro LGBT and pro indigenous sovereignty and Zionists!!!!!"

that faction rift within the Green Party appears entrenched and {somewhat relatively} longstanding. As published in 2014 in the 'Canadian Jewish News', Why I’m no longer president of the Green Party of Canada

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My recent experience has elicited comments from many in the Jewish community who tell the same story. They too started out full of hope that they might be able to make a difference when it comes to protecting the environment and furthering human rights. And they too could only stomach so much abuse and unbalance regarding the prevalent approach to Israel for so long before finally leaving.

Despite this unfortunate episode, I still believe one can be concerned about the environment and human rights and at the same time support the State of Israel. In my mind, that hasn’t changed. What has changed is I am now convinced one simply can’t do so within the confines of the Green Party of Canada.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 22, 2021, 11:21:55 am
the Green Party shyte-show percolated further to the point where the Green Party's governing body announced it was set to hold a confidence vote on Paul's leadership and to review her membership in the party... but after this past weekend, to now announce the confidence vote has been cancelled and the review of Paul's party membership abandoned.

geezaz! Green party takes battle with leader Annamie Paul to court...  Green party feud with its leader reignites as executives seek to overturn arbitration in court - they claim an arbitrator exceeded his authority in requiring executives to cancel their non-confidence vote against Annamie Paul as well as a review of her party membership:

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Paul asked an arbitrator to suspend the confidence vote and the membership review and he agreed to do so, ordering the party to hold off on the vote and post a notice online indicating that it had done so.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 22, 2021, 09:15:11 pm
So this is waldo's Liberal propaganda thread for the election?  Do you ever stop trying to sell used cars to us?
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 23, 2021, 12:33:28 am
So this is waldo's Liberal propaganda thread for the election?  Do you ever stop trying to sell used cars to us?

hey now Gorgeous! If its accepted as an election campaign thread you can add posts that align with your favoured CPC/O'Foole positions/policy.

but c'mon man - of the posts I've added, half are about the Green Party... are you deef man!
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 23, 2021, 01:34:22 am
hey member Gorgeous... the waldo is here for you! (https://liberal.ca/find-your-riding/)
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 23, 2021, 04:45:44 pm
but c'mon man - of the posts I've added, half are about the Green Party... are you deef man!

Yes, crush anyone that takes votes away from The Party.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on July 23, 2021, 04:47:43 pm
hey member Gorgeous... the waldo is here for you! (https://liberal.ca/find-your-riding/)

I just signed up as a member of The Party so that I can vote against all the stupid policies and leaders.

You know what a 5th Column is, don't you waldo?  Don't you?
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 24, 2021, 12:32:30 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/eWdWT0d.png)

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Erin O’Toole’s second-most senior staffer (Steve Outhouse) is personally involved with helping social conservative candidates secure party nominations, the Star has learned.

Although it’s not uncommon for the party leadership to have preferred candidates in nomination races … it’s quite another to have someone drawing a taxpayer salary to be making bank on the side to engage in such a transparently conflict of interest in tipping the scales of nomination races to their own financial benefit.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 24, 2021, 12:38:09 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/BBiXuVN.png)

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Erin O’Toole’s office gave nearly $240,000 worth of taxpayer-funded contracts to Conservative insiders in his first six months on the job, Global News has learned... For the last six months of Parliament’s fiscal year, ending March 30, which roughly corresponds to O’Toole’s first six months as leader, several contracts were awarded to Conservative insiders or entities with close ties to O’Toole’s leadership campaign including:

    => $83,000 to Jim Ross who was in charge of the O’Toole leadership campaign’s field operations. Ross is a senior consultant with a firm called ElectRight which provides voter contact services to candidates and campaigns.
    => $72,000 to ex-MP Alupa Clarke. Clarke was a Conservative MP from the Quebec City region who won in 2015 but was defeated in 2019. He subsequently became O’Toole’s leadership campaign chair in Quebec.
    => $30,000 to strategic communications consultancy Pathos Strategy whose principals are Dan Robertson and Dimitri Soudas. Robertson play a key advisory role in O’Toole’s leadership campaign and was subsquently hired by the Opposition Leaders Office (OLO) to provide communications advice. Soudas is best known as Stephen Harper’s longtime communications aide and Quebec advisor.
    => $20,000 to Katarina Homolova, a public relations advisor who worked in the OLO when Andrew Scheer was leader.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2021, 10:16:32 am
just how out-of-touch is the CPC as it continues to push Harper as some kind of 'saviour' to counter the oh so anemic CPC/O'Foole pre-campaign polling numbers?

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The Canadian government has spent irresponsibly in its attempt to fend off the economic disruption caused by the COVID-19 pandemic - It's not a good reaction, it's been overkill. This is bad macroeconomic policy on an enormous scale.

Canada's vaccine rollout was slowed due to lacklustre execution and the government's poor relationships with drug companies. When we were in government, we never had any trouble or problem making sure we had vaccinations and vaccines well in advance of getting them distributed. So it's just a matter of competent execution.
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I'm just fascinated by this notion that is just everywhere now, the so-called woke notion that America is a fundamentally racist country. And yet what I see is all of these supposedly repressed races trying desperately to become Americans and to join the United States. It's not that there aren't problems, historical and present, that are real, but the core of our countries are great, they have great futures and there is no alternative. The modern political left has become entirely nihilist and appears more interested in tearing down existing systems than in upholding and improving upon traditional democratic values.

Stephen Harper: Rejecting Wokeness, Addressing China, and Defending Western Values
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2CpZTlTL1A
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2021, 03:05:38 pm
geezaz! Green party takes battle with leader Annamie Paul to court...  Green party feud with its leader reignites as executives seek to overturn arbitration in court - they claim an arbitrator exceeded his authority in requiring executives to cancel their non-confidence vote against Annamie Paul as well as a review of her party membership:

Green party bleeding cash amid legal battles with Annamie Paul

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The Green party is poised to shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal battles with leader Annamie Paul, worsening an already rough financial situation as a federal election nears.

 The pricey legal proceedings are tilting an already steep cash imbalance, with the head of the Green Party of Canada Fund stating earlier this month that the "current financial situation is not sustainable."

The money woes prompted staff layoffs as well as cancelled funding for Paul's Toronto Centre riding campaign, and come amid ongoing power struggles in a divided party.

Two sources say that fund president Douglas Tingey told council members yesterday the Greens would have about $300,000 in the bank if an election were called next month, compared to $1.9 million at the outset of the 2019 election and $3 million when the writ dropped in 2015.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 28, 2021, 04:09:30 pm
over and over and over again, TikTok superstar NDP leader Singh has shown he doesn't understand the separation of powers/jurisdiction, vis-a-vis federal vs. provincial... or... he's repeatedly and purposely misinforming Canadians to cast doubt/uncertainty toward the federal government.

and now, as shown yesterday in a letter he sent to the Governor General (GG), the guy has no actual grasp as to the powers of the GG: Say no if Justin Trudeau asks for an election, Jagmeet Singh tells new Governor General

of course given the constraints on the discretion of the GG, the only circumstance in which the GG can say no to a dissolution request is right after an inconclusive election when there is another viable government ready to form and govern. Surely NDP Singh would know this... surely... or is the NDP leader 'asleep at the wheel'!
(https://i.imgur.com/BrqbNGy.jpg)
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 31, 2021, 01:13:58 pm
in recent days, O'Foole discovers Atlantic Canada... and the CPC comms team is even more convinced that running snaps with local candidates are a winner!

(https://i.imgur.com/o1ErTmc.jpg)
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on July 31, 2021, 01:16:48 pm
and... there was also time for a strategy session with some of his old-stock base!

(https://i.imgur.com/QwhrXme.jpg)
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: wilber on August 01, 2021, 08:06:16 pm
Business are crying for help but the feds are going to keep paying people to stay home. Most be an election coming, need to buy more votes.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/feds-extend-business-worker-aid-to-end-of-october-1.1634972
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: kimmy on August 02, 2021, 01:58:22 pm
The kimmo poses a question:  is the country in better shape than it was in 2015?

JT and the Sunshine Gang swept to power on a platform proposing change. But beyond legalized marijuana, has anything really changed that much?

One of the big promises was fighting inequality. But inequality has only increased. Housing in particular is more out of reach than ever.

Democratic reform? Pharmacare? "Fighting for young Canadians"?  Transparency? Integrity? Reconciliation with First Nations people?  None of that has happened.  It's not much different than the Harper government.  The difference between this government and its predecessor is mostly superficial stuff-- identity politics and image, not substance.

Obviously the pandemic has been a big factor in the past 1.5 years and I think the Liberals have at least done a competent job of managing the medical side of that. And I think you have to acknowledge that the pandemic is the main factor in the current deficit and debt situation.  However the Liberals had over 4 years to show us what they were doing before the pandemic arrived, and aside from legalizing pot they didn't exactly inspire during that time.

 -k
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on August 02, 2021, 02:20:45 pm
...and aside from legalizing pot they didn't exactly inspire during that time.

the kimmo is misinformed and misinforming - by design, hey!

pre-pandemic... say, 2018 in review:
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    - Increasing the Canada Child Benefit to help families keep up with the cost of living
    - New EI Parental Sharing Benefit, to provide 5 extra weeks of benefits when parental leave is shared
    - Supporting 40,000 new, affordable child care spaces across Canada
    - Introduced the new Poverty Reduction Act, which if passed, will cut poverty in half by 2030

    - Lowering the small business tax rate to help small businesses grow
    - Moving forward with diversifying Canadian trade with CPTPP and CETA
    - Addressing harassment and sexual violence in federally-regulated workplaces
    - Canadians have created more than 800,000 new jobs since 2015, and Canada’s unemployment rate is at its lowest in 40 years

    - Investing in women entrepreneurs at home and in developing countries
    - New investments to end drinking water advisories on reserves
    - Moving forward on the Canada–Métis Nation Accord

    - Welcomed the largest private-sector investment in Canadian history with LNG Canada in Kitimat, BC – which will lead to 10,000 middle class jobs
    - Announced plans for co-developed legislation to protect the rights and well-being of Indigenous children and families

    - A New NAFTA – Getting a good deal for Canadian workers, businesses, and our middle class
    - Introduced the Accessible Canada Act to advance rights for Canadians with disabilities
    - New investments and a new Minister to focus on helping Canada’s seniors

    - Building affordable housing with Canada’s first-ever National Housing Strategy
    - Fighting climate change by putting a price on pollution
    - Legalizing and strictly regulating marijuana

    - Introduced pay equity legislation, so women get equal pay for work of equal value
    - Investing in education for women and girls in crisis and conflict situations
    - The largest investment in science in Canadian history

    - New openness and transparency for political fundraising events
    - Launching the Canada Service Corps to involve young Canadians in their communities

    - New Canada Workers Benefit to help Canadians working to join the middle class
    - Hosted the G7 in Charlevoix to address climate change, gender equality, and building economies that work for everyone

    - Offered an official apology to passengers of the MS. St. Louis and their families
    - Passed Bill C-76 to modernize elections and make it easier for Canadians to vote
    - Strengthening air passenger rights for Canadian travellers
    - Increased support for NATO, and renewed Canadian leadership in the world
    - Historic new investments in better transit, roads, and bridges
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: wilber on August 02, 2021, 02:29:31 pm
On the one hand we have the government paying people to stay home, and on the other we have

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 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/desperate-employers-dangle-signing-bonuses-to-lure-in-workers-1.6123346

Need to get those votes bought before the election in October.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on August 04, 2021, 11:10:13 pm
a wish list is not a plan... no matter how many times you use the word SECURE! Apparently, climate change, infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc., didn't make the cut!
(https://i.imgur.com/OZupSFo.png)
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: MH on August 05, 2021, 06:55:54 am
the kimmo is right, but people only will vote on Covid, or a backlash against having a Covid election

David Peterson... Never Forget 😯
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on August 06, 2021, 12:31:05 am
...or a backlash against having a Covid election

3 provinces have held elections during the pandemic... 2 provinces (Alta & Sk) have eliminated all restrictions, dropped provincial testing, ended contact tracing, ended quarantines. After months of the CPC/O'Foole & NDP/Singh being the only ones talking about an election, now O'Foole says, "Now's not the time for an election cause, you know, Covid! His reluctance has nothing to do with the abysmal positioning of the CPC in polls, or the fact he trails both PM Trudeau and NDP Singh in polling for favoured PM... in both freakin' Alberta & Saskatchewan! Or that his own 'shadow cabinet' is throwing shade on him!

(https://i.imgur.com/j26C1Tp.png)
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 07, 2021, 10:55:16 am
The Liberals have done a decent job trying to help oppressed minority groups and trying to fight climate change, but oppressed people won't care too much if they can't afford to buy a home.  So JT just gives everyone free money to buy their votes.

Maybe if people could afford their own childcare the gov wouldn't need to buy it for them.

The issue isn't liberals vs cpc vs ndp this election, the issue is the corruption in our governments where no party is immune.  We've sold out to the banks and China and anyone else who throws big money at our politicians.  The provinces and municipalities are corrupt.

Everyone but the rich are screwed.  Most of your income gains are going to go into your mortgage for that tiny house in that postage sized lot that's rammed right up against your neighbour.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 11, 2021, 11:55:28 am
of course... filing a yearly financial statement is a condition of the Canada Elections Act! The NDP has requested/received 6 extensions since 2015 - c'mon NDP/Singh... get off the TikTokPipe!

(https://i.imgur.com/VBQULsF.png)

Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: BC_cheque on August 12, 2021, 01:20:24 am
The Liberals have done a decent job trying to help oppressed minority groups and trying to fight climate change

I agree with the jist of your post and I'm sincerely not trolling here, what do you think they've done that's been great for the environment and 'oppressed' groups?  Photo-ops at BLM and Climate Action treaties don't count. 

Dude tried to nationalize a DOA pipeline FFS. 
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: BC_cheque on August 12, 2021, 01:29:57 am
The kimmo poses a question:  is the country in better shape than it was in 2015?

JT and the Sunshine Gang swept to power on a platform proposing change. But beyond legalized marijuana, has anything really changed that much?

One of the big promises was fighting inequality. But inequality has only increased. Housing in particular is more out of reach than ever.

Democratic reform? Pharmacare? "Fighting for young Canadians"?  Transparency? Integrity? Reconciliation with First Nations people?  None of that has happened.  It's not much different than the Harper government.  The difference between this government and its predecessor is mostly superficial stuff-- identity politics and image, not substance.

Obviously the pandemic has been a big factor in the past 1.5 years and I think the Liberals have at least done a competent job of managing the medical side of that. And I think you have to acknowledge that the pandemic is the main factor in the current deficit and debt situation.  However the Liberals had over 4 years to show us what they were doing before the pandemic arrived, and aside from legalizing pot they didn't exactly inspire during that time.

 -k

JT and the Sunshine Gang.  Love it.

He threw a few crumbs here and there and talked a good game, but you're right, he achieved nothing.  The only thing (other than weed) that I can think of is that he trolled Trump a couple of times and put Canada on the map with his perceived charm.

Otherwise, nothing as far as domestic policy goes.   
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: waldo on August 12, 2021, 10:16:56 am
The Liberals have done a decent job trying to help oppressed minority groups and trying to fight climate change

Dude tried to nationalize a DOA pipeline FFS.

hey dudette, care to explain this statement... lil' clarification, hey!
Title: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 12, 2021, 10:23:59 am
He threw a few crumbs here and there and talked a good game, but you're right, he achieved nothing.  The only thing (other than weed) that I can think of is that he trolled Trump a couple of times and put Canada on the map with his perceived charm.

Otherwise, nothing as far as domestic policy goes.

"otherwise nothing"? So misinformed, such political naivete!

...and aside from legalizing pot they didn't exactly inspire during that time.

the kimmo is misinformed and misinforming - by design, hey!

pre-pandemic... say, 2018 in review:
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    - Increasing the Canada Child Benefit to help families keep up with the cost of living
    - New EI Parental Sharing Benefit, to provide 5 extra weeks of benefits when parental leave is shared
    - Supporting 40,000 new, affordable child care spaces across Canada
    - Introduced the new Poverty Reduction Act, which if passed, will cut poverty in half by 2030

    - Lowering the small business tax rate to help small businesses grow
    - Moving forward with diversifying Canadian trade with CPTPP and CETA
    - Addressing harassment and sexual violence in federally-regulated workplaces
    - Canadians have created more than 800,000 new jobs since 2015, and Canada’s unemployment rate is at its lowest in 40 years

    - Investing in women entrepreneurs at home and in developing countries
    - New investments to end drinking water advisories on reserves
    - Moving forward on the Canada–Métis Nation Accord

    - Welcomed the largest private-sector investment in Canadian history with LNG Canada in Kitimat, BC – which will lead to 10,000 middle class jobs
    - Announced plans for co-developed legislation to protect the rights and well-being of Indigenous children and families

    - A New NAFTA – Getting a good deal for Canadian workers, businesses, and our middle class
    - Introduced the Accessible Canada Act to advance rights for Canadians with disabilities
    - New investments and a new Minister to focus on helping Canada’s seniors

    - Building affordable housing with Canada’s first-ever National Housing Strategy
    - Fighting climate change by putting a price on pollution
    - Legalizing and strictly regulating marijuana

    - Introduced pay equity legislation, so women get equal pay for work of equal value
    - Investing in education for women and girls in crisis and conflict situations
    - The largest investment in science in Canadian history

    - New openness and transparency for political fundraising events
    - Launching the Canada Service Corps to involve young Canadians in their communities

    - New Canada Workers Benefit to help Canadians working to join the middle class
    - Hosted the G7 in Charlevoix to address climate change, gender equality, and building economies that work for everyone

    - Offered an official apology to passengers of the MS. St. Louis and their families
    - Passed Bill C-76 to modernize elections and make it easier for Canadians to vote
    - Strengthening air passenger rights for Canadian travellers
    - Increased support for NATO, and renewed Canadian leadership in the world
    - Historic new investments in better transit, roads, and bridges
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 12, 2021, 01:45:18 pm
I agree with the jist of your post and I'm sincerely not trolling here, what do you think they've done that's been great for the environment and 'oppressed' groups?  Photo-ops at BLM and Climate Action treaties don't count. 

Dude tried to nationalize a DOA pipeline FFS.

I dunno my gas is more expensive, i think that helps the environment because i'm still driving a gas vehicle and all that tax money is going to the gov which they will give away to people that don't need it.

Also we have a new national holiday for indigenous people which should help alleviate their poverty.
Title: Re: Election Campaign - you know its coming!
Post by: segnosaur on August 12, 2021, 07:53:08 pm
I dunno my gas is more expensive, i think that helps the environment because i'm still driving a gas vehicle and all that tax money is going to the gov which they will give away to people that don't need it.
Although your gas prices went up, in theory it should have been offset by a decrease in your income taxes. Drive a small car, your income tax rebate is higher than your gas taxes. Drive a gas guzzler? You end up paying more on your gas taxes than your income tax rebate. (Of course, the risk is that there is no guarantee that the government won't collect more total taxes than it gives in rebates, and just wastes the money.)
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Also we have a new national holiday for indigenous people which should help alleviate their poverty.
This is one of these situations that has no easy solution. There has been abuse of indigenous people in the past. Some recognition of that fact is warranted.

The problem is that the 'indigenous people holiday' may be seen by many as just another vacation day (like how some view remembrance day).
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: segnosaur on August 12, 2021, 08:36:47 pm
"otherwise nothing"? So misinformed, such political naivete!

the kimmo is misinformed and misinforming - by design, hey!

pre-pandemic... say, 2018 in review:
I am not going to claim that Trudeau "did nothing".  In the past I have usually supported the conservatives, but I'm not gong to claim that Trudeau is the love child of Stalin and a Star Trek Tribble. (And I have to admit, there are some things he has done that I think were good.... his handling of drug laws for one). On covid it was pretty much a mixed bag... did some things well, other things were questionable.

On the other hand, there were some things that I think were significant disappointments.... Liberal handling of the CF18 replacements and their inability to deal with the deficit (not so much during covid, when deficit spending was expected, but pre-covid) were things i particularly disliked.

As for your list... it certainly does look impressive. But, many of those aren't necessarily the type of "big impressive project", but more of the general type of day-to-day programs any government gets involved in.

"otherwise nothing"? So misinformed, such political naivete!

the kimmo is misinformed and misinforming - by design, hey!

pre-pandemic... say, 2018 in review:
- Increasing the Canada Child Benefit to help families keep up with the cost of living
Harper also increased benefits to families with children.
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- Introduced the new Poverty Reduction Act, which if passed, will cut poverty in half by 2030
I think every party claims they will somehow reduce or eliminate poverty... in the future. Never seems to happen.
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- Canadians have created more than 800,000 new jobs since 2015, and Canada’s unemployment rate is at its lowest in 40 years
I don't think that's right. Latest figures I could find had the unemployment rate at ~7.8%. This is higher than the unemployment rate in 2019 (5.7%), and even higher than the unemployment rate in 2007 (6%, when Harper was PM).

Now, admittedly, I do not blame Trudeau for the increase in unemployment.... the increase was covid-related, a situation that he had no ability to stop. And while he may deserve some credit for not totally messing things up, I think that many of the fluctuations in unemployment rate or GDP growth are down to global factors that our PM has little opportunity to change.

See:
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210709/cg-a002-eng.htm
https://www.statista.com/statistics/578362/unemployment-rate-canada/

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- New investments to end drinking water advisories on reserves
This is a good thing. But then, the Harper government also spent millions of dollars on improving drinking water on native reserves. I suspect any government would have done the same thing.

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- Hosted the G7 in Charlevoix to address climate change, gender equality, and building economies that work for everyone
Countries take turns hosting the G7 summits. It was Canada's turn. Whomever was the PM would have hosted the summit, regardless of party.

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- Offered an official apology to passengers of the MS. St. Louis and their families
Again, these types of apologies are easy to issue and Prime Ministers tend to issue them with regularity. (For example, Harper issued an apology to students of the residential schools.)

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- Increased support for NATO, and renewed Canadian leadership in the world
What exactly does 'renewed leadership' actually mean? Sounds like one of these phrases that doesn't really MEAN anything, but easy to claim.

As for NATO, prior to COVID our military spending (as a percentage of GDP) has risen slightly since Trudeau took office, but we are still a long way from meeting our commitments.

See: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?end=2019&locations=CA&start=1960&view=chart
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: kimmy on August 13, 2021, 01:45:42 am
I am not going to claim that Trudeau "did nothing".  In the past I have usually supported the conservatives, but I'm not gong to claim that Trudeau is the love child of Stalin and a Star Trek Tribble. (And I have to admit, there are some things he has done that I think were good.... his handling of drug laws for one). On covid it was pretty much a mixed bag... did some things well, other things were questionable.

On the other hand, there were some things that I think were significant disappointments.... Liberal handling of the CF18 replacements and their inability to deal with the deficit (not so much during covid, when deficit spending was expected, but pre-covid) were things i particularly disliked.

As for your list... it certainly does look impressive. But, many of those aren't necessarily the type of "big impressive project", but more of the general type of day-to-day programs any government gets involved in.

This is exactly it.  I think any government regardless how lacklustre, perhapse even the Jason Kenney government, could produce a similarly lengthy list of bullet-points that might look impressive but don't actually have any significance to the typical Canadian On The Street.

Like, you're a young Canadian, you've just finished college with a higher-than-ever student debt, and the cost of owning or renting a home has risen significantly since even when you started college just a few years ago. Is the "Canada Service Corps" going to do much to reassure you?  Like, who gives a ****.

Is this country better or worse than it was 6 years ago? Does anything on that list of bullet points impact my life at all, one way or the other? Aside from ganja enthusiasts, I am having a hard time imagining who in this country would say things have improved.

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 13, 2021, 11:05:44 am
Is this country better or worse than it was 6 years ago? Does anything on that list of bullet points impact my life at all, one way or the other? Aside from ganja enthusiasts, I am having a hard time imagining who in this country would say things have improved.

you've asked the question twice now... and keep emphasizing that, other than cannabis, you're left wanting for inspiration... without stating what you wanted/expected! Of course, per the blanket bitching-norm, there's never a qualification provided to properly delineate between provincial and federal roles, responsibilities and accountability.

your second related post has you referencing "student debt"... without qualification! Perhaps you "aspire" to an unrealistic NDP-like negation of all outstanding student debt - yes? Notwithstanding, of course, education in Canada is a provincial responsibility, in the real world, the Liberal federal government:
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increased Canada Student Grants, reduced interest costs on Canada Student Loans, improved the repayment assistance program, and gave more help to adult students and people receiving EI. Additionally, students were granted a 2-year reprieve after graduation to get started in their career before they needed to begin paying off their student loans, interest-free. Also rules were changed so that graduates don’t have to start repaying their loans until they make at least $35K, and if their income ever falls below that $35K level, re-payments are put on hold.

how surprising that you blow-off that very lengthy and very real and meaningful list of just one year (2018) accomplishments but, somehow, can't quite manage to offer-up your own list of what would, as you say, "inspire" the kimmo! More pointedly, you might speak to what and how your alternatively preferred party would have actually... inspired... you - you could do that, right?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 13, 2021, 11:42:43 am
thanks for going through the list - if I find time, I'll bite away at your response; in that vein:

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- Increased support for NATO, and renewed Canadian leadership in the world
What exactly does 'renewed leadership' actually mean? Sounds like one of these phrases that doesn't really MEAN anything, but easy to claim.

As for NATO, prior to COVID our military spending (as a percentage of GDP) has risen slightly since Trudeau took office, but we are still a long way from meeting our commitments.

latest figure (this 2021 year) has Canada spending @1.45% of GDP... yes, it's not yet reaching the bullshyte 2% level... but, officially, that aligns to expected monies for 2024-2025. Renewed leadership? One of those ways is through ongoing and continued Canadian troops deployed on behalf of NATO... and UN... engagements.

in any case: that 2% figure was initially a target guideline recommendation, never mandated - no penalties for not meeting the guideline. More pointedly, it's an arbitrary figure that was chosen simply based on declining spending after the end of the 'cold war'... and reflected what some countries were budgeting over the 1990s period - a figure of convenience, rather than one of strategy. Its also recognized as an improper measure that doesn't properly reflect upon a respective country's actual spending or NATO alliance preparedness... notwithstanding, there is no commonality of definition in what constitutes "defense spending"... there is no commonality of definition in how a country arrives at its GDP figure and military spending percentage of that GDP... there is no commonality of applying exchange rates for local currencies to IMF's GDP data/U.S. dollar equivalents... etc..

on a more pointed level, as I understand, in calculating that 2% figure, Canada does not include spending towards the coast guard or veterans programs... while, for example, the U.S. does. I trust you might appreciate the scope of Canada's Coast Guard/Search & Rescue given the size of our 3 ocean boundaries - yes? In that same vein, as some countries do, Canada also does not include the costs for federal policing, border security, etc.., in calculating that 2% figure... on this latter point, I've just tried (unsuccessfully) to ascertain if the U.S. also includes costs for U.S. federal policing and border security. And again, the flawed 2% figure is 'input spending' and doesn't account for the actual contributions respective members bring to the alliance - so-called output contributions, like troop/equipment deployments in campaigns, peace-keeping contributions, etc..

as an aside (dated Feb article): Canada set to benefit as NATO considers compensation for military deployments (https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-set-to-benefit-as-nato-considers-compensation-for-military-deployments-1.5309662)

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The head of NATO is proposing member states be compensated for contributing troops to some alliance missions, saying it is unfair that countries like Canada must bear all the costs when participating in operations that benefit the entire organization.

Yet NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg also expects all members, including Canada, to make good on their commitments to spend more on their militaries in the face of growing instability throughout the world.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: segnosaur on August 13, 2021, 03:54:31 pm
thanks for going through the list - if I find time, I'll bite away at your response; in that vein:
You're welcome. No big need to go through the list. Like I suggested, many of the things (or my comments about them) were not meant to be a case of "Look at how bad the Liberals have done", but more in a "Ok, they did something, but it was an action that any other government would have done in the same position".
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Increased support for NATO, and renewed Canadian leadership in the world
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What exactly does 'renewed leadership' actually mean? Sounds like one of these phrases that doesn't really MEAN anything, but easy to claim.

As for NATO, prior to COVID our military spending (as a percentage of GDP) has risen slightly since Trudeau took office, but we are still a long way from meeting our commitments.
latest figure (this 2021 year) has Canada spending @1.45% of GDP...
This actually is a slight improvement over 2019 numbers, but it might not necessarily be all that impressive...

From: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-jumps-closer-to-military-spending-target-thanks-to-covid-19-s-economic-damage-1.5154408
Canada has taken a big leap closer to meeting its promise to the NATO military alliance to spend a larger share of its economy on defence...That is because the alliance expects the Liberal government to hold Canadian defence spending steady even as COVID-19 batters the country's economic output.

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Renewed leadership? One of those ways is through ongoing and continued Canadian troops deployed on behalf of NATO... and UN... engagements.
And?

I am not opposed to those sorts of operations, but many of those operations pre-date the current Liberal government. (And its not like Canada is spearheading any of these initiatives.

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in any case: that 2% figure was initially a target guideline recommendation, never mandated - no penalties for not meeting the guideline.
You are right in that there are no penalties. But, it was a promise that governments have made in the past that we've failed to live up to. (Admittedly the conservatives failed that commitment too.)

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More pointedly, it's an arbitrary figure that was chosen simply based on declining spending after the end of the 'cold war'... and reflected what some countries were budgeting over the 1990s period - a figure of convenience, rather than one of strategy.
You are right in that the 2% figure (by itself) doesn't mean that much. But I think there is a general correlation between military spending and the ability to commit forces to various international missions. (And you can't really measure 'strategy'... "We spent a whole $3 dollars on defense last year but we used it strategically" just doesn't fly.)

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Its also recognized as an improper measure that doesn't properly reflect upon a respective country's actual spending or NATO alliance preparedness... notwithstanding, there is no commonality of definition in what constitutes "defense spending"... there is no commonality of definition in how a country arrives at its GDP figure and military spending percentage of that GDP... there is no commonality of applying exchange rates for local currencies to IMF's GDP data/U.S. dollar equivalents... etc..
I am pretty sure the definition of 'GDP' is pretty standard across most countries. (And even if there are minor variations, I doubt it would be enough to explain Canada's inability to meet the 2% promise).
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on a more pointed level, as I understand, in calculating that 2% figure, Canada does not include spending towards the coast guard or veterans programs... while, for example, the U.S. does.
The U.S. spends so much on defense that, even if they took out the cost of the cost guard or veterans programs, they would still probably greatly exceed the 2% standard.
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I trust you might appreciate the scope of Canada's Coast Guard/Search & Rescue given the size of our 3 ocean boundaries - yes? In that same vein, as some countries do, Canada also does not include the costs for federal policing, border security, etc..
While there may be some overlap over things like border security and search&rescue, I think there does reach a point where you can say the functions are different enough that they can be assumed "non-military". The fact that a government worker might carry a weapon and wear a uniform while patrolling the border doesn't necessarily make them "military", even though they both perform functions that enhance public safety.

Plus, lets face it... even the government itself doesn't seem to be making the argument that "we meet our defense spending through border patrol and search and rescue".
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 13, 2021, 07:18:21 pm

Is this country better or worse than it was 6 years ago?


That's what we have to ask ourselves.

Besides the COVID virus itself which wasn't their fault, just like the 2008 recession wasn't Harper's fault, only their responses.

Liberals have done some good things here and there but are truly lacking in other areas.  Personally I don't think the little weasels stand up for this country in policy and rhetoric nearly as much as they should, they're too worried about hurting somebody's feelings or their own careers.  This country is weak.  It's truly pathetic to witness.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 13, 2021, 09:21:26 pm
but more in a "Ok, they did something, but it was an action that any other government would have done in the same position"

one of your references was wrong - glaringly wrong... that being the removal of First Nation long and short-term water advisories. In this matter Harper Conservatives did little-to-nothing... (https://cupe.ca/niibi-bimaadiziwin-water-life)

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Stephen Harper’s Conservative government implemented new laws which they said would address the crisis. The 2013 Safe Drinking Water for First Nations Act set out stringent regulations for on-reserve water/wastewater systems, but without providing for any new funding to help First Nations meet or maintain the new standards. 

At the same time, the Harper government put a virtual halt to any infrastructure spending to Indigenous communities that weren’t part of a public-private partnership (P3). 

Over the 9 years of the Harper government, only one First Nation P3 project was ever completed – a correctional facility in BC. 

Unable to meet new water regulations with crumbling infrastructure, and unable (and often unwilling) to partake in P3 projects, First Nations governments simply couldn’t get ahead. 

Over the course of the Harper government years, there was practically no improvement to the numbers of water advisories on First Nations.

as compared to the commitment given and related actions taken by the Trudeau Liberal federal government:

(https://i.imgur.com/ta3mRuX.png)

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 13, 2021, 09:51:14 pm
I am not opposed to those sorts of operations, but many of those operations pre-date the current Liberal government. (And its not like Canada is spearheading any of these initiatives.)

under the Liberal government, significant commitments in Iraq and the Baltic... Operation Impact playing important roles in Iraq, Jordan, and Lebanon; almost 600 troops in Latvia leading one of 3 NATO battle-groups.

in any case, back to the original theme, towards meeting the NATO 2% GDP commitment on military spending, Canada (and other countries) get no allowance/consideration for troops/monies deployed in service of NATO initiatives.

The U.S. spends so much on defense that, even if they took out the cost of the cost guard or veterans programs, they would still probably greatly exceed the 2% standard.

of course; however, the reference was not offered in that regard... it was simply to showcase yet another disparity in how calculations are made by some countries in how they calculate that said 2% commitment. There are clearly no standards, guidelines, rules, etc., for countries to follow in their calculations; more pointedly, there is no actual NATO "audit" of any measures and money figures respective countries put forward.

Plus, lets face it... even the government itself doesn't seem to be making the argument that "we meet our defense spending through border patrol and search and rescue".

not to that granular level - no! However, when that imbecile Trump was on his tirade over NATO spending, PM Trudeau pushed back several times when questioned by weak/lame-assed media looking to foment a "dust-up" between Canada/PM Trudeau & the U.S./imbecile Trump who perpetually and ignorantly spoke of, "NATO invoices... and the U.S. expecting a refund"!

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PM Trudeau: "I think the two per cent metric is an easy shorthand … it is a very specific and, to a certain extent, limited tool".

However, Trudeau said he considers tangible and consistent resources and leadership, which Canada continues to demonstrate, to be more important. "Ultimately, the more important metrics are always, ‘Are countries stepping up consistently with the capacities that NATO needs? Are we leading in different opportunities? Are we contributing the kinds of resources and demonstrating the kind of commitment to the alliance that always needs to be there?" His message, of course, is that in Canada’s case, the answer is yes.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 14, 2021, 01:30:02 am
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/recoil-effect-new-nanos-polling-shows-liberals-may-be-out-of-majority-territory-1.5546747

Go for that majority Justin!  LOL

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“The latest Nanos tracking that was just completed on Thursday night, suggests that there has been a significant recoil effect against the Liberals. This hot speculation about an election has shifted voters from the Liberal column to the Conservative column, probably because they are upset about the fact that there is an election,” said Nanos Research's Nik Nanos in an interview with CTV News on Friday.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 14, 2021, 10:18:55 am
always insightful to see the challenged showing glee over a single poll! Of course that's the latest narrative being pushed by CPC/O'Foole & NDP/Jugmeet... that there shouldn't be an election in a pandemic - gdamnit! Meanwhile both have been eggin' on PM Trudeau for months to call an election - why here's O'Foole and largeMarge doing exactly that (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1426333365549010945/pu/vid/960x720/TzMbIhqalW6MoXdO.mp4?tag=12)!

meanwhile back at the aggregatePollingRanch!

(https://i.imgur.com/5BJbSQb.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 14, 2021, 11:20:32 am
oh my - oompa loompa doompety doo!
the related video showing such professionalism from the CPC "brain trust" (https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1426242300557111296/vid/640x360/ylKePj5zd5mxz3C7.mp4?tag=14)

(https://i.imgur.com/EnXM9tc.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 14, 2021, 11:32:26 am
'conservatives'... give Max a chance, hey!

(https://i.imgur.com/vTUx2AI.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 14, 2021, 02:10:54 pm
Walduh thinks the Benign and Loving Trudeau is calling an election for the good of the country.

LOL

Walduh would also like to buy a bridge!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 14, 2021, 04:52:42 pm
waldo thinks the Benign and Loving Trudeau is calling an election for the good of the country.

LOL

waldo would also like to buy a bridge!

being the troll you are... got any bridge tips, hey!

but yes, a majority would be good for the country - putting an end to the obstructionist CPC... and NDP!

Quote from: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
We have seen a level of obstructionism and toxicity in the house that is of real concern

that weasel Singh is such a hypocrite - now he's out stating the obstructionist NDP is willing to work with the Liberals... so no election is necessary! Meanwhile any time there was a confidence matter, Singh rushed to support the minority government cause he and the fiscally constrained NDP are very afraid of an election!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 14, 2021, 11:11:54 pm
being the troll you are... got any bridge tips, hey!

but yes, a majority would be good for the country - putting an end to the obstructionist CPC... and NDP!

that weasel Singh is such a hypocrite - now he's out stating the obstructionist NDP is willing to work with the Liberals... so no election is necessary! Meanwhile any time there was a confidence matter, Singh rushed to support the minority government cause he and the fiscally constrained NDP are very afraid of an election!

So Walduh thinks the Libs shouldn’t have to compromise with the choices of the other 67% of Canadians for parliament. 

Trudeau got the lowest % of votes ever to form a government.

Walduh had no problem with Conservative minorities…
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 14, 2021, 11:47:19 pm
settle down trolling member squiggy! This current Liberal minority has lasted in line with the length of typical minority governments...

by the by, popular vote doesn't mean shyte in Canada... notwithstanding the CPC got all of 1% more - geezaz, why should we not be surprised you're channelling the loser CPC/Scheer's fall-back on popular vote! LOL!

but hey dipshyte, that's how the Westminster system rolls! 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 15, 2021, 12:40:23 am
Premiers of Conservative led provinces: "end the lockdown, end restrictions... open up schools - grow the economy! Well sure, there were 5 provincial elections held during the pandemic but really, c'mon - that means nothing in regards a federal election!"

CPC/O'Foole: We're in a pandemic damnit - this is no time for an election!

oh snap! Maskless O'Foole at a Stampede super-spreader event... "hotcakes, hotcakes - get your hotcakes now... Jason told me it will be the best Alberta summer ever"

(https://i.imgur.com/xtYXXtp.png)

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 15, 2021, 01:19:24 pm
that weasel Singh is such a hypocrite - now he's out stating the obstructionist NDP is willing to work with the Liberals... so no election is necessary! Meanwhile any time there was a confidence matter, Singh rushed to support the minority government cause he and the fiscally constrained NDP are very afraid of an election!

in NDP Singh's presser today he again, repeatedly, states PM Trudeau should not be calling an election during the pandemic... meanwhile, 4 days ago nearing the end of the Nova Scotia election campaign, here's Singh in Nova Scotia campaigning on behalf of provincial NDP leader Gary Burrill - HYPOCRITE!

(https://i.imgur.com/JwvtZKU.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 12:55:30 am
early learning & child-care agreements signed between the Liberal federal government and:
    => July 8 - British Columbia;
    => July 12 - Nova Scotia;
    => July 23 - Yukon;
    => July 27 - P.E.I.;
    => July 28 - Newfoundland and Labrador;
    => August 5 - Quebec;
    => August 9 - Manitoba

and the latest province to sign on => August 13 - Saskatchewan:

Liberal Federal, Sask. governments sign $10-a-day child-care agreement --- 28,000 new regulated early learning, child-care spaces to be created over 5 years

PM Trudeau has given repeated assurances that these agreements are NOT an election promise; they are NOT tied to any election outcome... the same answer Deputy Prime Minister Freeland just gave during her Q/A session after announcing the Saskatchewan agreement. So waldo, what's this doing in this election campaign thread... well... good optics, dontchaKnow!     
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 01:17:48 am
outright misinforming lies - such audacity... but par for the NDP/Singh course!

(https://i.imgur.com/z89u3rC.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 10:10:26 am
hipsterDoofus on the cover of the CPC election platform - yes, that's right! Oh my!

(https://i.imgur.com/09DZvQo.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 16, 2021, 10:27:47 am
Singh’s right about calling an election.  And he’s trying to score political points with it.

Wow….  What a shocker. 

That’s a great pic of O’Toole.  He’s looking buff!  Maybe Trudeau will offer to have a boxing match!  He’d kick Trudeau’s ass all over the ring!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 10:44:05 am
Singh’s right about calling an election.  And he’s trying to score political points with it.

Wow….  What a shocker.

for months NDP/Singh had repeatedly spoke of pulling support for the minority government - of course, ever afraid of actually bringing the government down, he always rushed forward to ensure confidence votes favoured the government. So, as you say, what a shocker that the government pulled the pin rather than having the Oppo force it! As for coincident pandemic timing, that's nonsense - if it's safe to have 5 provincial elections during the pandemic, if national/provincial Conservative governments have, for months, been clamouring for the removal of lockdowns, the elimination of restrictions, the opening of schools, etc.. ...  geezaz member squiggy, are you saying Elections Canada can't run an election that ensures the safety of citizens - particularly with such a high number of vaccinated? Is that what you're saying/implying? Explain yourself, hey!

That’s a great pic of O’Toole.  He’s looking buff!  Maybe Trudeau will offer to have a boxing match!  He’d kick Trudeau’s ass all over the ring!

ya, ya - quite the O'Foole makeover... there's a circulating pic of the guy actually wearing colourful patterned socks too! LOL!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 16, 2021, 10:45:17 am
I don't like JT but I can't fault him on how he's handled COVID.

I'll be interested to see what O'Toole has policy wise, however.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 16, 2021, 11:20:31 am
O’Toole is more buff than Trudeau and this makes Walduh MAD! 

LOL

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 16, 2021, 11:26:20 am
hipsterDoofus on the cover of the CPC election platform - yes, that's right! Oh my!

(https://i.imgur.com/09DZvQo.png)

If JT posed like this, you would love it.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 11:35:22 am
I don't like JT but I can't fault him on how he's handled COVID.

I'll be interested to see what O'Toole has policy wise, however.

just out of the gate now:

=> it's been mentioned in past weeks but O'Foole just reinforced it minutes ago... that the CPC would stop/end all the early learning & child care agreements the Liberals have signed with provinces/territories in recent weeks - offering instead... tax credits! So, with a CPC government, parents will still need to come up with the, in some cases, thousands of dollars to meet their child care needs!

=> O'Foole has just now promised billions for pandemic relief... few details provided. This after the CPC/O'Foole have pilloried the Liberal government for providing pandemic benefits to companies, employees and individuals. Yeesh - can one say hypocrites!

=> under questioning today, O'Foole reinforces the CPC opposition to mandatory vaccination for federal public servants and travellers... of course, pandering to the CPC base!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 11:39:09 am
If JT posed like this, you would love it.

no - it's a staged phony attempt to project O'Foole as someone he most assuredly is not! On par with this:

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Co2D5EYyEBBk0akL7Q6YT31Uptw=/0x0:1409x785/1400x1050/filters:focal(622x252:846x476):format(png)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55701645/Screen_Shot_2017_07_13_at_1.09.20_PM.0.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 16, 2021, 11:49:16 am
no - it's a staged phony attempt to project O'Foole as someone he most assuredly is not! On par with this:


LOL



(https://www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/justin-trudeau.jpg?fit=2057%2C1200)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 01:00:32 pm
LOL

(https://i.imgur.com/09GDfnE.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 16, 2021, 01:14:44 pm
(https://i.cbc.ca/1.3358405.1452293157!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/justin-trudeau-and-sophie-gregoire-trudeau-in-vogue.jpg)

(https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/ht5iCRpIeYqqrgoClQfcrrsKoEA/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2016/05/05/780/n/1922398/2768f0f6b37915c4_Captain-America-Civl-War-All-Day.gif)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 06:25:05 pm
I'll be interested to see what O'Toole has policy wise, however.

CPC policy not-so-wise cuts plan => cut $10/day childcare; cut assault weapon ban; cut COVID-19 business & income supports; cut climate action plan

(https://i.imgur.com/EdLk5Y6.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 16, 2021, 06:40:56 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/LfijUvi.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 12:00:40 am
PM Trudeau Liberal government: states that federal public servants will have to be vaccinated, along with those working for crown corporations and other federally regulated businesses.

answering a question about his position on mandatory vaccinations, CPC/O'Toole says:

Quote from: CPC leader Erin O'Toole
Conservatives support Canadians' right to determine their own health choices.

so CPC/O'Toole put the rights of the unvaccinated ahead of public safety; notwithstanding, many of those choosing to remain unvaccinated are driven by conspiracy theories and a lack of respect of... concern for... the welfare of others.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 12:29:56 am
oh  my! Adding to the ongoing naivete, grandstanding & showboating of Green Party leader Annamie Paul:

(https://i.imgur.com/JDqNdHV.png)

it doesn't work this way! Yeesh! Parliament is dissolved... there is nothing to recall!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 12:43:51 am
(https://i.imgur.com/LfijUvi.jpg)

waldo friendly reminder: back in the height of April's lockdown period, Parliament exercised a confidence vote on the Liberal budget... a vote that had CPC/O'Toole (along with Greens & Bloc) voting against the budget. If not for the NDP supporting the government/budget, confidence in the Liberal government would have been lost by the House... forcing an election with provinces during lockdown! And now the hypocrite CPC/O'Toole is saying there's no need for this election!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 17, 2021, 10:53:26 am
Trudeau said the 2015 election would be the last under FPTP yet this is a guy who says he can't work with a minority. His phoney sincerity makes me want to retch.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 11:22:19 am
Trudeau said the 2015 election would be the last under FPTP yet this is a guy who says he can't work with a minority.

there are multiple threads with pages of exchange on electoral reform - you can't seem to let it go! Your favoured CPC party is quite fine with the status-quo FPTP... but you continue to natter on about it! This latest minority government was truly one of CPC... and NDP obstructionism - the examples have been well documented. You have clearly shown you want a change in government, so bro, c'mon... here's your chance - where's your beef man?

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 17, 2021, 11:30:25 am
there are multiple threads with pages of exchange on electoral reform - you can't seem to let it go! Your favoured CPC party is quite fine with the status-quo FPTP... but you continue to natter on about it! This latest minority government was truly one of CPC... and NDP obstructionism - the examples have been well documented. You have clearly shown you want a change in government, so bro, c'mon... here's your chance - where's your beef man?

Your guy is a phoney, right to the core.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 11:35:53 am
Your guy is a phoney, right to the core.

care to speak to policy rather than your hate-on for PM Trudeau? This is clearly your opportunity to make the case for your favoured CPC party. The CPC has released it's election platform... notwithstanding that, as you say, "phoney, right to the core picture of O'Toole on the cover", you have lots of material to press your points on why you want your boy/party to replace the current Liberal government. But hey, if all you've got is your perpetual whine about "phoniness", that is easily pushed back given the past/ongoing antics of O'Toole - the right to the core phoney! See, the waldo can follow your lead!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 01:08:07 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/jMFNrjZ.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 17, 2021, 01:17:11 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/jMFNrjZ.png)

I don’t hate Trudeau, I just think he is a poser, full of phoney sincerity.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 01:19:24 pm
CPC/O'Toole promising a one-month Christmas period focused reprieve from paying GST... perhaps someone should alert the CPC "brain trust" that there isn't GST on groceries! LOL

(https://i.imgur.com/oUpdIsH.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 17, 2021, 02:41:53 pm
CPC/O'Toole promising a one-month Christmas period focused reprieve from paying GST... perhaps someone should alert the CPC "brain trust" that there isn't GST on groceries! LOL

(https://i.imgur.com/oUpdIsH.png)

Prepared Groceries still get the GST.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 17, 2021, 04:08:36 pm
CPC/O'Toole promising a one-month Christmas period focused reprieve from paying GST... perhaps someone should alert the CPC "brain trust" that there isn't GST on groceries! LOL

I typically give people bagged groceries as Xmas presents.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 17, 2021, 04:20:20 pm
First words out of Trudeau's mouth to kick off the campaign was a lie to every Canadian.  He said this election was called to give the gov a mandate from voters through COVID recovery.  That's a lie.  The reason the election was called is for the Liberals to try and get themselves a majority, or at the very least extend their minority, before people forget about all the free money the Libs gave them.

Every ethical Liberal MP was either booted from the party or resigned before the previous election.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 09:11:31 pm
CPC/O'Toole promising a one-month Christmas period focused reprieve from paying GST... perhaps someone should alert the CPC "brain trust" that there isn't GST on groceries! LOL

(https://i.imgur.com/oUpdIsH.png)

related comment from the Canadian Federation of Independent Business:
Quote
The month long GST holiday or credits for vacations or restaurant meals on certain days seem a bit gimmicky and will likely be too complicated to be of much value.

complicated, particularly in relation to, for example: Point-Of-Sales handling given sales tax still required for all provinces (sans Alberta).
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 09:30:26 pm
First words out of Trudeau's mouth to kick off the campaign was a lie to every Canadian.  He said this election was called to give the gov a mandate from voters through COVID recovery.  That's a lie.  The reason the election was called is for the Liberals to try and get themselves a majority, or at the very least extend their minority, before people forget about all the free money the Libs gave them.

that was one of the reasons noted... and a majority would give credence to a new mandate that ensures the majority of voters approved of the Liberal governments plan to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic. How is this a lie... particularly given the fact both the CPC and NDP have repeatedly criticized the government's spending to-date. More pointedly, the CPC voted to bring down the government over the relatively recent proposed budget - that included references to recovery spending. Most pointedly, we have the CPC/O'Toole continuing to hype their so-called "recovery plan"; one with little to no detail on the actual costing of said plan!

Every ethical Liberal MP was either booted from the party or resigned before the previous election.

Gorgeous, care to name the names - sure you can! LOL!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 09:43:16 pm
Quote from: NDP leader Jagmeet Singh
If Justin Trudeau really wants to protect Canadians, he needs to set real deadlines for vaccine passports and mandatory vaccinations for federal industries. The timelines I’m calling for are aggressive but doable. Canadians deserve more than Justin Trudeau’s empty talk. They deserve real action to keep them safe

=> a NDP timeline that states/reads: A mandatory vaccination deadline for federal public servants and workers in federally-regulated industries by Labour Day

geezaz waldo, NDP Singh is actually calling for, two shots by less than 3 weeks from now...  one wonders how Health Canada would review and respond to this suggested dose schedule - oh my, just another example of the grandstanding & showboating NDP Singh!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 17, 2021, 10:06:11 pm
That’s a great pic of O’Toole.  He’s looking buff!  Maybe Trudeau will offer to have a boxing match!  He’d kick Trudeau’s ass all over the ring!

hey squiggy, just how connected are you - it seems the CPC is channelling your want for a boxing match? But are you sure? O'Toole is actually younger than PM Trudeau... but O'Toole easily looks 10+ years older than his 48 years of age! Are you sure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hZl4LNrLe4 (https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/trudeau_brazeau_boxing_topix.jpg?w=1128&quality=90&strip=all&type=webp)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on August 18, 2021, 02:55:14 am
Walduh was all in a tizzy when the NSP in BC called an election during the pandemic.  What changed?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 18, 2021, 05:36:00 am
Walduh was all in a tizzy when the NSP in BC called an election during the pandemic.  What changed?

only in your imagination member squiggy... only in your imagination!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 18, 2021, 05:40:30 am
more on the earlier phoney theme that drew the waldo in to reinforce the reality of the phoney O'Toole: in the past the CPC/O'Toole continually spoke of O'Toole's supposed 12-year military career... but now, based on early day mentions, it looks to become a 2021 election campaign emphasis.

of course we've had a go-around on this in prior threads, shining light on the reality of his 5... and only 5 years of actual service. Again, the claimed 12 years was actually:
=> 4 years at RMC Kingston to land an... arts degree; and,
=> as a reservist, 3 years at Dalhousie in Halifax to obtain a law degree; and,
=> 5 actual years of military service to the country. More pointedly, its quite telling that "staunch" militaryMan O'Toole opted not to leverage the law career that was waiting for him within the military... choosing instead the corporate law path - cause he'd quite clearly had enough of the Canadian military after serving just those 5 years!

of course it's well understood that O'Toole wanted to become a fighter-pilot; however, he didn't have the 'Right Stuff' and had to settle as a helicopter navigator. But that didn't stop the CPC/O'Toole leadership campaign that actually played up that fighter-pilot angle with numerous Top Gun related mentions/memes - one of the actual campaign images appearing below! The other image is a more recent one of O'Toole wearing a flight-jacket (something he often appears in) even though the RCAF symbol on it only came into existence 8 years after O'Toole had already left the military! Talk about a phoney O'Toole, hey!

(https://i.imgur.com/hvAPzKr.jpg)

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 18, 2021, 05:50:36 am
LOL! As scrutineers look closer at the CPC election platform, additional detail has surfaced... talk about niche gimmicky type 'boutique' vote-buying gems... that really amount to nothingness:

=> the already mentioned month-long GST holiday
=> a “Dine and Discover” program to offer 50% off dine-in food and non alcoholic beverages Mon-Wed for a month
=> a 15% tax credit for vacation expenses up to $1000 within Canada.

policy smolicy says the CPC/O'Toole!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on August 18, 2021, 09:25:16 am
I feel confused by O'Toole's policies.

'Boutique' is a good way to describe it. 

A GST-free month ?  That's stupid.

Who comes up with these things ?

We are in need of economic and electoral reform and he's coming up with new paint schemes for the deck chairs of the Titanic.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 18, 2021, 11:03:36 am
LOL! As scrutineers look closer at the CPC election platform, additional detail has surfaced... talk about niche gimmicky type 'boutique' vote-buying gems... that really amount to nothingness:

=> the already mentioned month-long GST holiday
=> a “Dine and Discover” program to offer 50% off dine-in food and non alcoholic beverages Mon-Wed for a month
=> a 15% tax credit for vacation expenses up to $1000 within Canada.

policy smolicy says the CPC/O'Toole!

I feel confused by O'Toole's policies.

'Boutique' is a good way to describe it. 

A GST-free month ?  That's stupid.

Who comes up with these things ?

We are in need of economic and electoral reform and he's coming up with new paint schemes for the deck chairs of the Titanic.

ya really, when's the last time anyone rushed out in response to a 5% sale! But hey, when they lose staunch CPC supporter Andrew Coyne...

(https://i.imgur.com/Snrccfr.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 18, 2021, 11:49:55 am
but hey, when they lose staunch CPC supporter Andrew Coyne...

(https://i.imgur.com/Snrccfr.png)

O’Toole announced a GST holiday. No GST in December.

What an awful idea. Who comes up with this stuff for the CPC??

Who will buy a car in November???

LOL - typically how many cars are purchased in any month? Member squiggy... you need to supply more info for your gem reply!

wait now, the Retail Council of Canada states this failed vote-buy won't increase purchases; rather, it says it will only delay intended purchases from the prior month - nice try member squiggy, nice try!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 18, 2021, 02:35:09 pm
=> PM Trudeau Liberal government issues a policy statement advising that federal public servants will have to be vaccinated, along with those working for crown corporations and other federally regulated businesses.

=> Ontario announces mandatory vaccine plans for health, education workers

=> just announced earlier this morning: the Biden administration will direct all nursing homes to require their staff be vaccinated against Covid-19 in order to continue receiving Medicare and Medicaid funding


meanwhile, CPC/O'Toole answering a question about his position on mandatory vaccinations says:

Quote from: CPC leader Erin O'Toole
Conservatives support Canadians' right to determine their own health choices.

so CPC/O'Toole put the rights of the unvaccinated ahead of public safety; notwithstanding, many of those choosing to remain unvaccinated are driven by conspiracy theories and a lack of respect of... concern for... the welfare of others.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 18, 2021, 02:42:23 pm
The Anti-Vax sympathy will sink O'Toole.

Tough spot to be in.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 18, 2021, 09:19:41 pm
a whole lotta CPC supporters chest-thumping & high-fivin' over yesterday's election outcome in Nova Scotia!

waldo, are there actually any Progressive Conservatives left in the reformatory CPC party... c'mon waldo, can you name just one? Look what happened to Peter MacKay! Anyway, CPC supporters are not taking kindly to having it pointed out that, per TorStar's Steve McKinley - Halifax Bureau:

Quote
New Nova Scotia premier-designate Tim Houston in fact made a point during his campaign of distancing himself from his federal cousins — and of labelling himself a “red Tory.” Houston took great pains through the campaign to paint himself as a red Tory, and to distance himself from the federal Conservatives and their leader, repeatedly emphasizing the “progressive” in Progressive Conservative.

Quote from: Newly Designated Nova Scotia Premier - leader of the Progressive Conservative Party - Tim Houston
My focus is Nova Scotians, and I’ve always been focused on Nova Scotia. And so I’m not beholden to any federal leader.

We’re the Nova Scotia Progressive Conservative party. The federal party is called the Conservative Party of Canada. It’s not just different words, they’re different parties. I, personally, am not a member of the federal party.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 18, 2021, 09:27:36 pm
The Anti-Vax sympathy will sink O'Toole.

Tough spot to be in.

the waldo doesn't get it! Most polls/surveys show a majority of Canadians are in favour of both mandatory vaccinations... and vaccine passports. Just how much of its base does the CPC/O'Toole think they might lose over this issue to... to... Bernier's PPC party? Or what?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 19, 2021, 12:35:16 pm
inflation number just released and CPC supporters are losing their misinformed minds! Economist Trevor Tombe has a dose of reality:

(https://i.imgur.com/LbaaWJ9.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 19, 2021, 01:16:39 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/7JSe6Ko.png)

zinger line from PM Trudeau this morning: "Erin O'Toole thinks pro-choice is a doctor's choice, rather than a woman's choice!" For example, to the waldo it appears there is purposeful CPC interpretations to protect the so-called gate-keeping role of physicians to deny providing access referrals... or more pointedly, per the CPC election platform, expressed CPC intentions to roll-back some of the Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID) legislation passed by the government/House this past March.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 19, 2021, 04:54:03 pm
inflation number just released and CPC supporters are losing their misinformed minds! Economist Trevor Tombe has a dose of reality:

Why is Trevor Tombe the only economist to seemingly exist among Liberal supporters?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 19, 2021, 07:08:57 pm
Why is Trevor Tombe the only economist to seemingly exist among Liberal supporters?

a typical 'add nothing' comment from the pissant whiner you are! You've also whined before about the waldo referencing Economist Kevin Milligan. Thing is you never even attempt to discuss their content or the waldo's related comments... you just troll and whine away! Another economist the waldo has referenced: Dr. Lindsay Tedds.

c'mon Gorgeous, get in the game, hey!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 19, 2021, 07:20:26 pm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/erin-otoole-pro-choice-conscience-rights-1.6146200

The Cons just can’t help but get in their own way. The reason this came to be is from OToole promising to protect the “conscience rights”of healthcare providers.

you're late to the game squiggy - the waldo already mentioned it! In actuality it's referenced within the CPC election platform... somehow the CPC doesn't include the reference within the platform section titled, 'A Detailed Plan to Secure Healthcare'; rather, and the waldo shytes you not, it appears in a section titled, 'A Detailed Plan for a Freer Canada'! ... saying that, "if elected we will protect the conscience rights of healthcare professionals.” Typical Conservative "Freedumb" bullshyte!

(https://i.imgur.com/7JSe6Ko.png)

zinger line from PM Trudeau this morning: "Erin O'Toole thinks pro-choice is a doctor's choice, rather than a woman's choice!" For example, to the waldo it appears there is purposeful CPC interpretations to protect the so-called gate-keeping role of physicians to deny providing access referrals... or more pointedly, per the CPC election platform, expressed CPC intentions to roll-back some of the Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID) legislation passed by the government/House this past March.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 19, 2021, 07:37:40 pm
David Dodge says Trudeau is wrong.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/he-s-wrong-david-dodge-blasts-trudeau-on-monetary-policy-quip-1.1642178
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 19, 2021, 08:11:45 pm
David Dodge says Trudeau is wrong.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/he-s-wrong-david-dodge-blasts-trudeau-on-monetary-policy-quip-1.1642178

In an exchange with a reporter Wednesday, when asked about whether a re-elected Liberal government would consider allowing the Bank of Canada to have a slightly higher tolerance for inflation when its mandate comes up for renewal, Trudeau dismissed the issue as not being a priority.

“When I think about the biggest, most important economic policy this government, if re-elected, would move forward, you'll forgive me if I don't think about monetary policy. You’ll understand that I think about families,” he said.


BAHAHAHAA. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 19, 2021, 09:11:44 pm
BAHAHAHAA.

yours is amateur hour Gorgeous. Who should be surprised the CPC, once again, selectively pulls a comment... extracting it without accompany context! Same ole, same ole CPC bullshyte! Here's the complete Q/A (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1428091110015094792/pu/vid/888x514/4rcTG4zuipBFOU58.mp4?tag=12):

waldo factoids:
=> monetary policy is the purview of the Bank of Canada - the independent BoC! The BoC's target inflation mandate comes from the federal government... currently set @2% - that target helps to guide the framework that the BoC uses/follows to set its monetary policy. On the other hand, fiscal policy is the domain of the federal government. Do ya see the distinction, hey Gorgeous? And interestingly since he was mentioned in the prior post, David Dodge is on record as favouring the status-quo 2% inflation target for the BoC.

and by-the-by, CPC leader O'Toole was asked the exact same question later in the day... and he skirted answering it; opting instead to babble on about the most wondrous GST holiday month the CPC is promising as a part of its vote-buying package! LOL!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 19, 2021, 09:40:43 pm
I'd like to talk about O'Toole's t-shirt.

He looks like the husband half of a swinger couple, cruising a bar in Oakville to find young commodities for their maternal bedroom.

oh my, MH! In earlier posts O'Toole's penchant for running was on multiple-image display... and twitter wags had a go at how several of the images had been so obviously photoshopped to give O'Toole such unrealistic bulging quads! And now this latest "makeover" is being similarly panned for the way O'Toole's man-boobs have been 'tightened-up'... ya, tightened!

(https://i.imgur.com/09DZvQo.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 19, 2021, 09:54:35 pm
In an exchange with a reporter Wednesday, when asked about whether a re-elected Liberal government would consider allowing the Bank of Canada to have a slightly higher tolerance for inflation when its mandate comes up for renewal, Trudeau dismissed the issue as not being a priority.

“When I think about the biggest, most important economic policy this government, if re-elected, would move forward, you'll forgive me if I don't think about monetary policy. You’ll understand that I think about families,” he said.


BAHAHAHAA.

Just shows the striking difference between the BoC head under Chretien and Martin vs the present print it till you puke crowd.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 19, 2021, 11:48:20 pm
Just shows the striking difference between the BoC head under Chretien and Martin vs the present print it till you puke crowd.

waldo factoid: its called quantitative easing (QE) in aid of influencing longer-term interest rates that matter to Canadians - simply a tool within the Bank of Canada's monetary policy tool chest that involves buying large amounts of bonds that the Government of Canada has issued and sold to financial institutions, such as commercial banks.
=> member wilber, you're perpetuating a major misconception about QE: the BoC is not printing bank notes to buy government bonds; rather, to pay for the bonds the BoC issues a liability settlement balance to match the bonds value... expanding upon the bank's balance sheet but NOT the amount of circulating money.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 20, 2021, 12:03:38 am
=> PM Trudeau Liberal government issues a policy statement advising that federal public servants will have to be vaccinated, along with those working for crown corporations and other federally regulated businesses.

meanwhile, CPC/O'Toole answering a question about his position on mandatory vaccinations says:

Quote from: CPC leader Erin O'Toole
Conservatives support Canadians' right to determine their own health choices.

so CPC/O'Toole put the rights of the unvaccinated ahead of public safety; notwithstanding, many of those choosing to remain unvaccinated are driven by conspiracy theories and a lack of respect of... concern for... the welfare of others.

The Anti-Vax sympathy will sink O'Toole. Tough spot to be in.

oh my! LOL! The CPC/O'Toole is getting his azz kicked over the mandatory vaccination issue... and now, O'Toole has issued the following statement:

Quote from: CPC leader Erin O'Toole
Canadians do not want to see the politicization of the pandemic. Vaccines are not a political issue.

ya ya, that should take care of it - well done CPC/O'Toole! Oh my!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 20, 2021, 12:46:30 am
PM Trudeau announces a re-elected Liberal government will work collaboratively with provinces and territories,
respecting their jurisdiction, to continue supporting seniors with an investment of $9 billion over 5 years in
Canada's long-term care sector
, to:
(https://i.imgur.com/dl8BNb5.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: cybercoma on August 20, 2021, 07:00:25 am
Waldo out here just blanketing this thread in Liberal propaganda. I was still going to vote for Jenica Atwin even though she crossed the floor, but if I have to read all of this nonsense from Waldo for the next 6 weeks, I'll probably just stay home.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 20, 2021, 10:50:03 am
c'mon cyber! That's right, in certain posts the waldo speaks directly to Liberal Party election campaign policy... you know, in an election campaign thread. Wow - imagine that - policy references to act as fodder for, to act to help spur on, policy discussion! You know, on a discussion forum. But I also draw reference to Opposition Party policy... and of course, as appropriate, criticize it in relation to existing federal government policy/legislation or Liberal Party campaign related policy statements.

but really, NDPcyber, please reconsider your yelp to "probably" stay home... just to "own the Libs"! LOL!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 20, 2021, 11:29:29 am
hey member cyber, concerning universal pharmacare, here's one aimed at your favoured NDP party:

for weeks prior to the campaign and now again in the campaign yesterday, NDP Singh has been outright lying concerning the NDP sham&stunt "pharmacare bill" - repeatedly falsely stating the Liberal government voted against drug coverage for all Canadians. A representative summary from the NDP Party (issued just yesterday):
(https://i.imgur.com/s6RxiaI.png)

a few extracts from our related prior exchanges from another thread:

Quote from: Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
The NDP are pulling a political stunt to try to demonstrate that it could do it with the wave of a magic wand. We work in the real world here. No Canadian should have to make a choice between buying medication and putting food on the table. We will therefore continue to work towards national universal pharmacare. We will do so in respect of the Constitution and in partnership with the provinces and not impose a political decision from Ottawa. We believe in partnership as the path forward.

Unlike the NDP, we will not be imposing, in provincial jurisdiction, rules that are not worked out with the provinces. We respect the constitution on this side of the House and we’ll work hand in glove with the premiers to ensure… pharmacare universally across this country

on member cyber! How odd you would choose to simply dismiss those building blocks... those foundational elements of national pharmacare. Unlike the NDP reliance on "magic beans and unconstitutional stunts", the Trudeau Liberal government chooses to follow guiding recommendations of the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare; again, (some of its) recommendations that shaped Budget 2019 that announced the Trudeau Liberal government’s intention to move forward on 3 foundational elements of national pharmacare; specifically:

Quote
To make prescription drugs more affordable and more accessible to more Canadians, the Government intends to work with its partners on the creation of:

The Canadian Drug Agency, a new national drug agency that would build on existing provincial and territorial successes, and take a coordinated approach to assessing effectiveness and negotiating prescription drug prices on behalf of Canadians. Negotiating better prices could help lower the cost of prescription drugs for Canadians by up to $3 billion per year in the long term.

A national formulary—a comprehensive, evidence-based list of prescribed drugs, to be developed as part of the Canadian Drug Agency. This would provide the basis for a consistent approach to formulary listing and patient access across the country.

A national strategy for high-cost drugs for rare diseases to help Canadians get better access to the effective treatments they need. This is an important first step in expanding drug coverage through federal support.

notwithstanding that sham NDP "pharmacare bill" was nothing more than an unconstitutional political stunt intending to unilaterally impose requirements on provinces, as a private member's bill, it can't provision to, can't position to, can't intend to, can't SPEND MONEY!

as I stated earlier, the federal government, positioning as a partner, continues to work with the provinces toward reaching consultative agreements on pharmacare. In that vein, PEI is the first province to sign a foundational agreement towards pharmacare: Ottawa inks $35M deal with P.E.I. to help pay prescription drug costs (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-prescription-drug-funding-universal-pharmacare-1.6137465)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 20, 2021, 01:15:12 pm
The Waldo spamming has definitely hit new heights…

again... in certain posts the waldo speaks directly to Liberal Party election campaign policy... you know, in an election campaign thread. Wow - imagine that - policy references to act as fodder for, to act to help spur on, policy discussion! You know, on a discussion forum. But I also draw reference to Opposition Party policy... and of course, as appropriate, criticize it in relation to existing federal government policy/legislation or Liberal Party campaign related policy statements.

but really member squiggy, you've shown you have no game - you mostly just TROLL! So you create an alternate thread cause you haven't the wherewithal to actually engage, debate, argue. Instead of being your typical whining pissant-self, why not take a stab at discussing policy. In 2019 you clearly were a proponent for the failed Green Party... you still there buddy - yes? Oh wait, is it because the Green Party has imploded that you're so down, frustrated and lashing out at poor lil' waldo? Is that it? LOL!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 20, 2021, 11:44:33 pm
Aug 20: PM Trudeau in Winnipeg today; states that a re-elected Liberal government will move forward on 10 days of paid sick leave for federally-regulated workers so that no one has to choose between going to work sick or paying their bills:

(https://i.imgur.com/UhgyX8E.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 21, 2021, 12:08:30 am
Derek Sloan moves west to run as an independent in Alberta: initially elected as the Hastings—Lennox and Addington (ON) CPC MP in 2019; ejected from the Conservative caucus this past January and continued to serve his riding as an independent.

Sloan intends to run in the Banff-Airdrie riding - against CPC incumbent Blake Richards, the current CPC party whip. At a packed venue in Cochrane, 500 people came out to hear Sloan officially announce his next political play - while also announcing that he has filed the necessary paperwork with Elections Canada to form a new national political party - the True North party!

(https://i.imgur.com/kBietGJ.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 21, 2021, 12:43:55 am
during the last election, by CPC design, Ontario Premier Doug Ford was persona non grata... viewed so unpopular as to do harm to the CPC fortunes! On the other hand, then popular Alberta Premier Jason Kenney even came to Ontario to campaign for the CPC/Scheer.

but now, Kenney has disappeared from public view - some wags suggest he's simply too embarrassed over the Covid-19 impacts of removing restrictions too soon and the resulting tarnish on his much hyped, 'best summer ever'. Others also see a similar theme to DOFO's disappearing act - that the CPC views Kenney as a negative impact on its campaign and doesn't want Kenney campaigning for leader O'Toole!

today, given Kenney's unpopularity across Canada and in particular Alberta, CPC/O'Toole was asked about the possibility of Premier Kenney campaigning for him... O'Toole gave the standard pat answer that he was proud of his relationship with all their provincial Conservative counterparts.

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Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 21, 2021, 01:04:52 pm
NDP Singh continues to conflate jurisdictions, provincial vs. federal... since this continually gets pointed out to him, one can factually state NDP/Singh does it purposely... gaslighter-to-the-max!

to gaslight => refers to the act of {NDP/Singh} undermining another person’s reality by denying facts, the environment around them, or their feelings


the latest, has NDP/Singh ignoring the fact that landlord-tenant... rent control legislation is provincial domain. That it's landlords following municipal/provincial regulations in establishing rent levels. By the by, NDP/Singh, your parties related promissory statement says... "up to $5000"

(https://i.imgur.com/lM5kbRP.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 21, 2021, 01:08:09 pm
housing crisis... the "core problem": gorgeous solutions from member Gorgeous!

Regulate the real estate and banking sector, tax speculation and foreign investment, remove red tape for builders, and don't bring in more immigrants than cities can absorb, think about increasing the lending rates.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 21, 2021, 01:35:40 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/7JSe6Ko.png)

zinger line from PM Trudeau this morning: "Erin O'Toole thinks pro-choice is a doctor's choice, rather than a woman's choice!" For example, to the waldo it appears there is purposeful CPC interpretations to protect the so-called gate-keeping role of physicians to deny providing access referrals... or more pointedly, per the CPC election platform, expressed CPC intentions to roll-back some of the Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID) legislation passed by the government/House this past March.

on the campaign trail, CPC/O'Toole continues to simply state, "I am pro-choice", in an attempt to ward off media's repeated questions on abortion rights... particularly given the emphasis on "conscience rights" within the CPC election platform. And now Press Progress has brought to light that: Several Conservative Candidates Directed Public Money to Canada’s Biggest Anti-Abortion Lobby Group (https://pressprogress.ca/several-conservative-candidates-directed-public-money-to-canadas-biggest-anti-abortion-lobby-group/)
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Several candidates for Erin O’Toole’s Conservatives used money from their MP’s office budgets to place self-promotional advertisements with Canada’s biggest anti-abortion lobby group last summer.
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Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 21, 2021, 02:04:20 pm
further to the CPC election platform referencing the, "conscience rights of healthcare professionals":

In actuality it's referenced within the CPC election platform... somehow the CPC doesn't include the reference within the platform section titled, 'A Detailed Plan to Secure Healthcare'; rather, and the waldo shytes you not, it appears in a section titled, 'A Detailed Plan for a Freer Canada'! ... saying that, "if elected we will protect the conscience rights of healthcare professionals.” Typical Conservative "Freedumb" bullshyte!

=> as referenced in the CPC election platform... and earlier as appeared within the O'Toole leadership campaign platform:
(https://i.imgur.com/gsTg7r3.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 21, 2021, 05:45:34 pm
NDP Singh continues to conflate jurisdictions, provincial vs. federal... since this continually gets pointed out to him, one can factually state NDP/Singh does it purposely... gaslighter-to-the-max!

to gaslight => refers to the act of {NDP/Singh} undermining another person’s reality by denying facts, the environment around them, or their feelings


the latest, has NDP/Singh ignoring the fact that landlord-tenant... rent control legislation is provincial domain. That it's landlords following municipal/provincial regulations in establishing rent levels. By the by, NDP/Singh, your parties related promissory statement says... "up to $5000"

(https://i.imgur.com/lM5kbRP.png)

another consistency is NDP/Singh taking credit for things the Liberal government has already done... in this case working with the provinces/territories (because, again, this is within their purview), to complete Canada Housing Benefit agreements with every province and territory, helping 300,000 low-income Canadians across the country pay rent => that's $4 billion in rental support for Canadians who need it most.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 21, 2021, 08:47:58 pm
Warning:  Waldo deleting posts in the legitimate 2021 election campaign thread. Non-critical propaganda only i guess.

yet another plaintive member Gorgeous pussyWail over propaganda! Too bad you haven't the mettle to actually debate/argue... that you take exception to having actual policy references and related discussion therein. You have no basis for this propaganda claim: look over the last 2 pages of the thread... in some 20 posts or so that I've made, there are only 2 posts that contain direct copy/paste references to Liberal Party election campaign policy - 2!. A few of those posts from the waldo (as replies) punted your statements/claims... clearly you took exception - so, you whine about supposed propaganda. C'mon member Gorgeous, get in the game! LOl!

again, in certain posts the waldo speaks directly to Liberal Party election campaign policy... you know, in an election campaign thread. Wow - imagine that - policy references to act as fodder for, to act to help spur on, policy discussion! You know, on a discussion forum. But I also draw reference to Opposition Party policy... and of course, as appropriate, criticize it in relation to existing federal government policy/legislation or Liberal Party campaign related policy statements.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 22, 2021, 12:33:47 pm
CPC/O'Toole responds to question on healthcare privitization - states he wants to, "bring for profit synergies to our public healthcare"! O'Toole claims a rush of private capital will help to realize new & improved efficiencies!

wait waldo, aren't those the Conservative "synergies" that weaken the public system while privatizing essential services? Yes, that right... you nailed it!

with healthcare privitization coming forward on the campaign trail, Deputy PM Freeland responds earlier today:
(https://i.imgur.com/U3abX9h.png)

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 22, 2021, 12:42:52 pm
wait waldo, isn't that a clever 'conscience rights' play off the CPC 'Secure The Future' slogan? Well yes - yes it is!

(https://i.imgur.com/7m8Goub.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 12:15:37 am
a Scotiabank study shows that childcare is likely the largest household expenditure for the average Canadian family:

(https://i.imgur.com/vQ3Rt89.png)

the CPC/O'Toole has promised to cut all existing early learning & child-care agreements signed between the Liberal federal government and: => July 8 - British Columbia; => July 12 - Nova Scotia; => July 23 - Yukon; => July 27 - P.E.I.; => July 28 - Newfoundland and Labrador; => August 5 - Quebec; => August 9 - Manitoba => August 13 - Saskatchewan. These agreements include provisioned monies to create required new childcare spaces; additionally monies intended to keep the quality of existing spaces... or improve the quality of spaces as may be necessary.

earlier the waldo provided a study that showed the economic gains realized when women are able to return to the workforce given affordable child care. In addition, Quebec’s experience demonstrates that those returning workforce women will boost growth and productivity — of course, both essential ingredients for an economic recovery... a recovery that CPC/O'Toole continually promises on the election campaign trail!

the CPC/O'Toole alternative to these promised cuts is to provide a tax credit... which does nothing to help create improved and most necessary new childcare spaces to create the foundation necessary for women to return to the workforce.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 11:09:25 am
CPC/O'Toole responds to question on healthcare privitization - states he wants to, "bring for profit synergies to our public healthcare"! O'Toole claims a rush of private capital will help to realize new & improved efficiencies!

wait waldo, aren't those the Conservative "synergies" that weaken the public system while privatizing essential services? Yes, that right... you nailed it!

with healthcare privitization coming forward on the campaign trail, Deputy PM Freeland responds earlier today:
(https://i.imgur.com/U3abX9h.png)

oh the sanctimonious CPC/O'Toole whining about supposed selective editing of a video within the above Deputy PM Freeland tweet... meanwhile, this very week, as mentioned in a previous waldo tweet, the CPC selectively edited a PM Trudeau comment in regards monetary versus fiscal policies - sanctimonious CPC/O'Toole!

waldo factoids:
=> Ms. Freeland issued 3 tweets... the first 2 tweets, 2 minutes a part (in English): the first tweet included the isolated O'Toole comment concerning healthcare privatization; the second tweet (issued 2 minutes later) included the full response from O'Toole; the first tweet (in French) included only his comment concerning healthcare privatization.
=> 2-tier healthcare is a mainstay of all Canadian Conservative parties - exactly in line with the isolated O'Toole response that speaks of "for profit healthcare; of bringing for profit synergies to public healthcare; claiming that a rush of private capital will help to realize new & improved efficiencies in healthcare". Does anyone... anyone... dispute the Conservative want for 2-tier healthcare in Canada - anyone?

at a campaign stop Q/A this morning, 2 reporters ask a total of 4 questions aimed at having O'Toole state what healthcare privatization he/CPC favour. O'Toole refuses to answer each and every pointed request in those 4 questions, opting instead to blather on about his unrelenting support for universal healthcare, blah, blah, blah...
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 04:54:02 pm
at a campaign stop Q/A this morning, 2 reporters ask a total of 4 questions aimed at having O'Toole state what healthcare privatization he/CPC favour. O'Toole refuses to answer each and every pointed request in those 4 questions, opting instead to blather on about his unrelenting support for universal healthcare, blah, blah, blah...

Buffalo Gal Rempel was on CTV's Power Play this afternoon... she being the CPC 'Shadow Minister' for Health. Host Evan Solomon tried 3 times to get Ms. Rempel to explain the CPC/O'Toole comment on, "for profit private synergies with public healthcare" - 3 times! And 3 times Rempel avoided answering the pointed requests from Solomon. When CPC Conservatives tell you who they are - believe them!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 05:38:31 pm
and NDP/Singh continues to purposely lie & misinform; today vowing to end, "PM Trudeau's increased subsidies to Big Oil".

waldo factoids:
- the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD) broadly reported the federal government funded oil and gas companies to the tune of $1.9 billion during the pandemic year of 2020... this being the so-called "subsidy" increase NDP/Singh is vowing to end. What NDP/Singh purposely omits in his targeted statement is to explain that:

=> $1.4 billion of that amount was to support the provinces of British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan with investments in the clean-up of orphaned and inactive wells... related work that would create, between them, 8500 jobs for workers in the 3 provinces.
=> the remaining funding of that amount went to such things as to: help an assortment of companies reduce their emissions while creating related jobs (both temporary and permanent); public transit bus optimizations toward electrification of buses; the build of a battery-pack assembly plant for electric vehicles; etc..
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 06:20:12 pm
media continues to ask Alberta UCP spokespersons where Alberta Premier Jason Kenney has disappeared to over recent weeks... he being so obviously missing during his promised, "best Alberta summer ever"! And Kenney being MIA during the first week of the election campaign, particularly when CPC/O'Toole came calling to Alberta this past week! Well finally it's revealed that Premier Kenney is "on holiday"!

earlier today CPC/O'Toole admitted that he wouldn't stop any province from privatizing health care... well, ok waldo... an admission by omission in CPC/O'Toole's refusing to answer what he would do if any province proceeded towards privatizing aspects of health care! Given Alberta Premier Kenney's UCP governments expressed want to do exactly that, wags are taking bets on whether this will finally bring Kenney out from his bunker "holiday"!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: kimmy on August 23, 2021, 07:32:13 pm

with healthcare privitization coming forward on the campaign trail, Deputy PM Freeland responds earlier today:
(https://i.imgur.com/U3abX9h.png)

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 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: kimmy on August 23, 2021, 07:54:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/8G35yAm.png)

You know, maybe if they'd waited until after Bill C-10 passed to call the election, Truth Minister Guilbeault could have demanded that Twitter remove the warning by ministerial decree.

(https://i.imgur.com/Zjwo4.gif)

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 08:07:51 pm
whaaa! C'mon kimmo, you're manipulating my posts! Somehow you managed to quote my initial post... BUT NOT the follow-up which repeats the first but also includes the all important clarifying 'waldo factoids'. Here, let the waldo deal with your purposeful manipulation:

oh the sanctimonious CPC/O'Toole whining about supposed selective editing of a video within the above Deputy PM Freeland tweet... meanwhile, this very week, as mentioned in a previous waldo tweet, the CPC selectively edited a PM Trudeau comment in regards monetary versus fiscal policies - sanctimonious CPC/O'Toole!

waldo factoids:
=> Ms. Freeland issued 3 tweets... the first 2 tweets, 2 minutes a part (in English): the first tweet included the isolated O'Toole comment concerning healthcare privatization; the second tweet (issued 2 minutes later) included the full response from O'Toole; the first tweet (in French) included only his comment concerning healthcare privatization.
=> 2-tier healthcare is a mainstay of all Canadian Conservative parties - exactly in line with the isolated O'Toole response that speaks of "for profit healthcare; of bringing for profit synergies to public healthcare; claiming that a rush of private capital will help to realize new & improved efficiencies in healthcare". Does anyone... anyone... dispute the Conservative want for 2-tier healthcare in Canada - anyone?

at a campaign stop Q/A this morning, 2 reporters ask a total of 4 questions aimed at having O'Toole state what healthcare privatization he/CPC favour. O'Toole refuses to answer each and every pointed request in those 4 questions, opting instead to blather on about his unrelenting support for universal healthcare, blah, blah, blah...

member kimmo, again, just this past week the CPC put our a purposely manipulated video of PM Trudeau answering a question on monetary policy... where's your fake outrage on that one, hey kimmo?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 08:29:19 pm
rightly or wrongly, this so-called 'manipulated media' reference is a mainstay of politics... not the manipulation of actual words spoken (as in changing them); rather, manipulation by omission of full comment and associated context - it's done all the time... geezaz, NDP/Singh is the king in that misinforming regard! And again, CPC/O'Toole did exactly that last week in a video of PM Trudeau answering a question on monetary policy.

so... why did Ms. Freeland's tweet get tagged? Apparently, the Liberal Party has reached out to twitter asking for a clarification on policy and specifically how the tweet was "manipulated" therein - still no word back from twitter!

and again, member kimmo - do you dispute the Conservative want for 2-tier healthcare in Canada? Care to take a stab on the related questions CPC/O'Toole and "shadow minister for health" Rempel both refused to answer today - after multiple questions on health care privatization were put to them? Member kimmo, care to explain what CPC/O'Toole meant by his saying he wants to, "bring for profit synergies to public healthcare"? C'mon kimmo, given their refusals to answer questions today on healthcare privatization, care to step in and explain just what CPC/O'Toole meant by his statement, "bringing for profit synergies to public healthcare"?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 08:36:52 pm
You know, maybe if they'd waited until after Bill C-10 passed to call the election, Truth Minister Guilbeault could have demanded that Twitter remove the warning by ministerial decree.

oh snap! Showing yet again you haven't a clue... here you're simply regurgitating recycled opposition talking points on Bill C-10!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 08:55:32 pm
c'mon waldo, again today, both CPC/O'Toole and CPC 'shadow health critic' Rempel refused to answer the 8 media questions on the CPC's intents toward health care privatization...questions on that, "for profit synergies to public health care" statement from CPC/O'Toole. Why waldo, all those non-answers are an answer, right? ... right kimmo?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 09:16:32 pm
reporter Marieke Walsh... one of the most favourably biased towards the CPC! When even she can't ignore the most brazen non-answers from CPC/O'Toole:

(https://i.imgur.com/GslawQn.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 23, 2021, 11:40:47 pm
today, a health care policy statement from a reelected Liberal government; to create a healthier Canada for all Canadians by working with the provinces and territories to rebuild the health care system by:

=> Hiring 7500 additional Doctors, Nurses & Nurse Practitioners.
=> Clearing the wait list for backlogged procedures.
=> Investing in telehealth for rural & remote patients.
=> Investing $6B, to keep our public system strong.
=> Investing in recruiting a broad range of health professionals to rural and remote regions of the country.

Quote from: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
To make our health care system work better for everyone, and to create a healthier Canada, we need to rebuild. Erin O’Toole’s Conservatives tried to stand in our way as we supported Canadians through the pandemic and now he wants to bring private, for-profit health care to Canada. We can’t let him cut services like health care. We have to keep moving forward — for everyone.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on August 23, 2021, 11:50:56 pm
rightly or wrongly, this so-called 'manipulated media' reference is a mainstay of politics... not the manipulation of actual words spoken (as in changing them); rather, manipulation by omission of full comment and associated context - it's done all the time... geezaz, NDP/Singh is the king in that misinforming regard! And again, CPC/O'Toole did exactly that last week in a video of PM Trudeau answering a question on monetary policy.
The only thing that tops misinforming voters by telling them they just voted in the last FPTP election is insisting that was never actually a real promise.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 24, 2021, 11:15:32 am
The only thing that tops misinforming voters by telling them they just voted in the last FPTP election is insisting that was never actually a real promise.

who are your claimed "insisters"? ... certainly not PM Trudeau! Save for invested politicos, electoral reform is not a driving issue behind Canadians voting practices. You're invested, so... you want to keep nattering on about it! And you do so even when PM Trudeau has repeatedly given his reasons/rationale behind walking away from electoral reform. We've had several threads discussing this and yet you still insist on repeatedly bringing it forward. Is it simply because you want change for change sake? ... because clearly its been shown that PR is a system that can favour the fringe & extremist elements. Where these fringe/extremist elements can end up holding the balance of power; something that PM Trudeau also alluded to as part of his reasoning/rationale in not pursuing electoral reform. Of course you conveniently ignore that PM Trudeau, with a majority government, could have pursued ranked balloting but he has pointedly stated he walked away from that because he recognized there was a narrative being pushed by PR advocates that ranked balloting favoured the Liberal party.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on August 24, 2021, 02:53:49 pm
  PM Trudeau has repeatedly given his reasons/rationale behind walking away from electoral reform. 

I forgot what those reasons were.  Here's MacLeans talking about it back in the day...

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/why-we-broke-our-electoral-reform-promise-signed-a-liberal-mp/
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on August 24, 2021, 04:02:07 pm
We've had several threads discussing this and yet you still insist on repeatedly bringing it forward.
Nonsense, you haven't addressed Trudeau's spreading misinformation, aka lying, a single time.

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Is it simply because you want change for change sake? ...
No I simply won't abide being goverened by a liar and have little patience for those who defend the amount of lying going on in our political system.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 24, 2021, 05:33:22 pm
Imagine having a system that is run by men and women of honour and ethics who swear oaths to serve our country and protect our democracy at all costs, including their own careers, and actually live up to those oaths.  Those would be true patriots.

There was a doctor in Ontario who was a part of the COVID advisory board.  He just resigned because he said the info released on the board was swayed by politics, and the board and gov has been withholding data about bad projection models for the 4th wave in the fall.  Good for him for speaking out, a true patriot.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8133497/ontario-covid-science-table-member-resigns-modelling-data/
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on August 24, 2021, 06:22:44 pm
Imagine having a system that is run by men and women of honour and ethics who swear oaths to serve our country and protect our democracy at all costs, including their own careers, and actually live up to those oaths.
Sounds good in theory

I still insist on a robust system of accountability and transparency - meticulous record keeping, verification, audits, validation and severe penalties for any attempts to cheat or avoid the process.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 24, 2021, 11:30:06 pm
The only thing that tops misinforming voters by telling them they just voted in the last FPTP election is insisting that was never actually a real promise.

who are your claimed "insisters"?

you ignored my question! As I see your post has now been tagged with 3 winner tags, surely you'll get off the pot and actually give the taggers some basis for their tagZeal - yes?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 25, 2021, 12:14:54 am
Nonsense, you haven't addressed Trudeau's spreading misinformation, aka lying, a single time.

No I simply won't abide being governed by a liar and have little patience for those who defend the amount of lying going on in our political system.

no, quit misinforming! In other threads I most certainly have provided the reasons/rationale as to why electoral reform was not pursued. But really, just how naive are you... all parties present election platforms with policy intentions. For an assortment of reasons, not all policy intent realizes a legislative/law result - go figure! Those reasons run the gamut from running out of time, opposition obstructionism (yes, even in a majority government), Senate delays, provincial government influences, court challenges, policy intent review/change, external influences (say like war, pandemic, etc.), etc.. And yes, certainly include government incompetence and no intention to meet a pledged policy intent in the first place...

but hey now, governments do 'get stuff done', whether one likes said stuff or not - here's a dose of that reality courtesy of ongoing election platform analysis undertaken by Universite Laval’s Centre for Public Policy Analysis; the 2 most recent majority government's in greater position to act upon policy intent statements:
=> 41st Parliament of Conservative Stephen Harper - 2011 to 2015: The Harper government completely met 77% of its election pledges, delivered in part on 7% and broke 16%.
=> 42nd Parliament of Liberal Justin Trudeau - 2015 to 2019: The Trudeau government entirely fulfilled 53.5% of its election pledges, delivered in part on 38.5% and broke 8%.

note: these figures on their own do not support direct comparison; for example, the Liberal 42nd Parliament included almost 5 times as many policy intent pledges than the Conservative 41st Parliament. More pointedly, the analysis states a significant number of the Liberal pledges were transformative (restructuring a system itself rather than reforming some relationship within the existing structure) versus the majority of Conservative pledges were transactional (working within an existing set of institutional & structural arrangements).
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 25, 2021, 12:38:33 am
clearly under pressure to explain his comments on health care privatization, today in speaking to reporters CPC/O'Toole stated:

Quote from: CPC leader O'Toole
Private, for-profit services could help alleviate the pressure on publicly run facilities, reduce wait times and save money

wait now waldo, isn't that the same thing stated in the supposed "manipulated" video posted by Ms. Freeland - why yes, yes it is!

but there's more: CPC/O'Toole stated:

=> he also wouldn't stand in the way of provinces working with the private sector to make changes to how care is delivered

=> that he trusts the premiers to do what is best for patients in their provinces

=> the more choices Canadians have in health care, the better



public health care advocates state CPC/O’Toole can't have it both ways - that he has not explained how his support for allowing private, for-profit medical services squares with his assertion that he fully supports universal, public health care.

CPC/O'Toole <=> 2-tier health care

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 25, 2021, 08:43:06 am
clearly under pressure to explain his comments on health care privatization, today in speaking to reporters CPC/O'Toole stated:

wait now waldo, isn't that the same thing stated in the supposed "manipulated" video posted by Ms. Freeland - why yes, yes it is!

but there's more: CPC/O'Toole stated:

=> he also wouldn't stand in the way of provinces working with the private sector to make changes to how care is delivered

=> that he trusts the premiers to do what is best for patients in their provinces

=> the more choices Canadians have in health care, the better



public health care advocates state CPC/O’Toole can't have it both ways - that he has not explained how his support for allowing private, for-profit medical services squares with his assertion that he fully supports universal, public health care.

CPC/O'Toole <=> 2-tier health care

I think a lot of people would support Canadians being able to access private Healthcare. All other Developed countries have a form of 2-tiere Healthcare.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on August 25, 2021, 10:25:46 am
who are your claimed "insisters"?
Trudeau's spittle lickers and back peddlers. People like you and Jonathan Wilkinson who act as if Trudeau's promise was little more than some offhand comment that was taken out of context. Like you say voters are similarly misinformed by other parties and their partisans so it must be okay. You wouldn't have said that for any reason other than to defend the practice - two wrongs make it right is what you're saying isn't it?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 25, 2021, 10:37:15 am
I think a lot of people would support Canadians being able to access private Healthcare. All other Developed countries have a form of 2-tiere Healthcare.

yours is such a broad-brush, non-specific statement! You can say Canada has a form of 2-tier; for example those for profit private health clinics that have membership costs they claim are strictly for non-insured health services... and align with the Canada Health Act (CHA) by billing respective provincial governments for insured health amounts that don't exceed regulatory levels. Of course those membership fees are cost prohibitive to most Canadians - and of course, these clinics through court measures, have repeatedly tried to remove the requirement to align with the CHA. More pointedly these for profit private health clinics take health professionals out of the public sphere.

oh wait waldo, member Boges vaguely said, "a form of"! Would that be like Germany (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2292303/):
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About 90% of the German population is covered by statutory health insurance, and the rest, who have higher incomes, have private insurance. Specialist treatment is mainly provided by doctors in their practices and, to a lesser extent, by hospital outpatient departments. A small percentage of the medical practices treat only private patients. Treating private patients is as much as 35% more lucrative.
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The shortest waiting time for patients with statutory health insurance was 6.8 working days for a hearing test (2.2 for private patients), and the longest was 24.8 working days for gastroscopy (11.9 for private patients). On average private patients got appointments three times quicker.

on edit: added link to referenced study
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on August 25, 2021, 10:39:23 am
... all parties present election platforms with policy intentions. For an assortment of reasons, not all policy intent realizes a legislative/law result - go figure! Those reasons run the gamut from running out of time, opposition obstructionism (yes, even in a majority government), Senate delays, provincial government influences, court challenges, policy intent review/change, external influences (say like war, pandemic, etc.), etc.. And yes, certainly include government incompetence and no intention to meet a pledged policy intent in the first place...
That was hard to write wasn't it?  Thanks btw.

I guess this is why some 44% of Canadians believe Trudeau will say anything to get elected.  That said they probably believe that's the case with most political parties and their leaders.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 25, 2021, 10:45:34 am
oh wait waldo, member Boges vaguely said, "a form of"! Would that be like Germany:

Or the UK, or Sweden, or Denmark, or Korea, or France, or Italy, or Australia, or or or.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 25, 2021, 10:54:38 am
who are your claimed "insisters"?
you ignored my question! As I see your post has now been tagged with 3 winner tags, surely you'll get off the pot and actually give the taggers some basis for their tagZeal - yes?

Trudeau's spittle lickers and back peddlers. People like you and Jonathan Wilkinson who act as if Trudeau's promise was little more than some offhand comment that was taken out of context.

your's is nothing more than a self-serving, agenda-driven statement crafted to fit your ad nauseum narrative. Surely you're not claiming that policy pledge was the election outcome determiner - surely not! It's your ilk that wants to manipulate FPTP results toward a 'what-if' PR alternative... meanwhile you somehow ignore the bug feature of Canadian FPTP results that include significant numbers of swing strategy voters - you know, sort of like... ranked balloting!

wait waldo, why not ask member eyeball if he would have accepted the Liberal majority bringing in electoral reform as a ranked ballot system? Ok, ok... well eyeball, would you... change for change's sake, right?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 25, 2021, 11:00:05 am
Or the UK, or Sweden, or Denmark, or Korea, or France, or Italy, or Australia, or or or.

like I said, your implications are vague and non-specific... I've given you 2 pointed examples (Canada & Germany) that more correctly describe, per your phrase "some form of", 2-tier within these respective countries. And so all you do is peal off a non-specific country list that does... does... what?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 25, 2021, 11:04:21 am
That was hard to write wasn't it?  Thanks btw.

I guess this is why some 44% of Canadians believe Trudeau will say anything to get elected.  That said they probably believe that's the case with most political parties and their leaders.

not hard AT ALL! Most political leaders... like CPC/O'Toole? O'Toole is saying and promising anything and everything to get elected - most of which doesn't even align with the formal CPC platform or to the party membership that elected him... or the base that supports him! Media wags are now starting to actually point this out - the swing to the center-left by O'Toole.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 25, 2021, 11:11:35 am
like I said, your implications are vague and non-specific... I've given you 2 pointed examples (Canada & Germany) that more correctly describe, per your phrase "some form of", 2-tier within these respective countries. And so all you do is peal off a non-specific country list that does... does... what?

That allows people to pay for services if they don't want to wait in a queue. Right now those people are going to other countries for such services. What kind of model is that?

I'm suggesting that a 2-tier system shouldn't be this third rail. Allowing people, who can, to pay for Healthcare is not some avenue down a US model.

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 25, 2021, 11:12:42 am
not hard AT ALL! Most political leaders... like CPC/O'Toole? O'Toole is saying and promising anything and everything to get elected - most of which doesn't even align with the formal CPC platform or to the party membership that elected him... or the base that supports him! Media wags are now starting to actually point this out - the swing to the center-left by O'Toole.

Do I hear a hidden agenda ad being drafted?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on August 25, 2021, 11:45:56 am
your's is nothing more than a self-serving, agenda-driven statement crafted to fit your ad nauseum narrative.

wait waldo, why not ask member eyeball if he would have accepted the Liberal majority bringing in electoral reform as a ranked ballot system? Ok, ok... well eyeball, would you... change for change's sake, right?
That's right honest governance is as self-serving an agenda if there ever was one. 😄

I suspect any political/voting system we put in place will be a POS if we don't address all the lying and misinforming going on within it - my real ad nauseam shtick - the one you're still stick handling around.

As I've said before making one simple change, outlawing all in-camera lobbying of public officials, would likely eliminate the need to change anything else in our governance.

And now you'll get a pissy about politicians need for safe places to talk frankly without the public to muck things up. You'll pretend to be confused about secrecy vs privacy. Your ilk are actually already so transparent it's almost funny but you can never account for why can you?

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 25, 2021, 12:29:56 pm
That allows people to pay for services if they don't want to wait in a queue. Right now those people are going to other countries for such services. What kind of model is that?

it's a made-up talking point model! I recall exchanges on the other board where I punted the extent of this with real data, real numbers... of course, the sensationalized cases get media attention and distort the actual numbers. You know like those anti-single payer forces in the U.S. seeking out and promoting sensationalizing these examples. Do you actually maintain that 2-tier doesn't negatively impact upon public healthcare - is that your position?

more pointedly, the triage systems within respective provincial systems should be moving the most serious life impacting cases higher in the assorted queues...
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 25, 2021, 12:42:30 pm
more pointedly, the triage systems within respective provincial systems should be moving the most serious life impacting cases higher in the assorted queues...

Sure. But what of non-lifesaving healthcare?

MRI waiting being the most obvious. Waiting months for an MRI when you could (when you could) just cross the border and get one immediately seems like something that we shouldn't make illegal if someone wants it here.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 12:11:53 am
Do you actually maintain that 2-tier doesn't negatively impact upon public healthcare - is that your position?

asked but not answered! Let's try this one: do you recognize that 2-tier is actually 2 standards of health care?

member Boges - wait lists is certainly a most worthy discussion topic; however, proper in-depth coverage of it would completely derail this election campaign thread - no thankee! Alternatively, as each party leader is doling out the pledges, if one of those health care related pledges contains targeted wording towards wait list times and management therein, I'd be keen to pursue further - I have yet to hear that direct targeting...


CTV's Power Play: video of Evan Solomon speaking with Dr. Katharine Smart, President of the Canadian Medical Association: (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1430310124523081730/pu/vid/1280x720/Qynf64cnNWor1nbW.mp4?tag=12)

Solomon asking for comment in regards CPC/O'Toole's unexplained jugglingAct to, "protect universal health care access while creating more private-public synergies":

Dr. Smart states this is one step towards a 2-tier health care system - creating 2 standards of health care; one for people that can pay and one for people who can't
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 26, 2021, 12:24:11 am
If you have universal healthcare you have to fund it enough to provide the services for people.  If you ban private healthcare, but don't fund public enough so people can't get MRI's and surgeries etc, is that any better than 2-tier?  The status quo is inhumane to me.  What is worse, some people getting better healthcare than others, or a lot of people not getting the healthcare they need?

 I don't want 2-tier.  Something needs to change, we need more public funding, a lot more.

O'Toole doesn't get to decide any of this anyways so its irrelevant.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 01:23:17 am
I don't want 2-tier.  Something needs to change, we need more public funding, a lot more.

O'Toole doesn't get to decide any of this anyways so its irrelevant.

the Conservative 2-tier HolyGrail: that patients paying for some health care services/treatments removes them from the public wait list queues, alleviating some of the burden by shortening wait times.

waldo factoid: 2-tier negatively impacts public staffing resources as they move to work in the more lucrative private sector; accordingly, studies and data show that public wait times actually worsen. Further, for-profit private clinics also typically favour high-volume straightforward cases while leaving more medically complex... and costly procedures for the public side.

Quote from: CPC leader O'Toole
Everyone’s wait times will go down but people will be able to access services and capital will come in to drive efficiencies, drive innovation. I trust the premiers to take the lead on what more choice and more innovation means.

I won't stand in the way of provinces working with the private sector to make changes to how care is delivered. I view innovation as a good thing. I trust the premiers to do what is best for patients in their provinces. If Saskatchewan, Alberta, Ontario or Quebec want to innovate to provide better health care, I support that.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on August 26, 2021, 05:19:23 am
How does Europe deliver two-tier healthcare?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on August 26, 2021, 08:09:08 am
It seems to me that the assumption that 2-tier would be worse for the average non-paying person is incorrect and based on our fundamental mistrust of how services are managed.

Could we use this as an opportunity to BOTH improve service AND trust ?

And if that doesn't happen, abandon the project ?

I lived in France and as socialist as it was, they had gold-plated things for the wealthy.  And the 'common person' had way better services than we have as I recall.   

It seems to me that our prejudices are holding us back.  Maybe a pilot project would help this.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 26, 2021, 10:05:44 am
It seems to me that the assumption that 2-tier would be worse for the average non-paying person is incorrect and based on our fundamental mistrust of how services are managed.

Could we use this as an opportunity to BOTH improve service AND trust ?

And if that doesn't happen, abandon the project ?

I lived in France and as socialist as it was, they had gold-plated things for the wealthy.  And the 'common person' had way better services than we have as I recall.   

It seems to me that our prejudices are holding us back.  Maybe a pilot project would help this.

The WHO ranks France #1 in health care, Canada is ranked #30. Most of the 29 countries ranked above us have mixed systems, including western Europe and Scandinavia.

Canadians would rather just point at the US and do nothing instead of doing anything to improve their own system.

.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 10:41:28 am
How does...
It seems to me... It seems to me...

The WHO ranks...

this is not the thread for an in-depth discussion on country-comparison health care... where, respectively, you get a member offering anecdote and perception without detail. Where you get another member speaking of 2-decade old 2000 WHO rankings as if they have meaning today:

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NOTE: The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.

2021 election campaign health care related pledges can be... should be... analyzed on their merits (or lack therein). It is not anecdote that 2-tier health care worsens wait list times in the public sphere; it is not anecdote that 2-tier health care causes a removal of medical professionals from the public sphere; it is not anecdote that 2-tier health care creates 2 standards of health care - one for people who can pay and one for people who can't.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 26, 2021, 11:57:37 am
this is not the thread for an in-depth discussion on country-comparison health care... where, respectively, you get a member offering anecdote and perception without detail. Where you get another member speaking of 2-decade old 2000 WHO rankings as if they have meaning today:

2021 election campaign health care related pledges can be... should be... analyzed on their merits (or lack therein). It is not anecdote that 2-tier health care worsens wait list times in the public sphere; it is not anecdote that 2-tier health care causes a removal of medical professionals from the public sphere; it is not anecdote that 2-tier health care creates 2 standards of health care - one for people who can pay and one for people who can't.

Feel free to complain to admin if you're unhappy with the logical conclusion of a discussion regarding Canada joining much of the rest of the developed world and having an option for private delivery of Healthcare.

Making it illegal is the more extreme stance, IMHO.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 26, 2021, 11:59:25 am
Things aren't going in the right direction for JT.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8135771/canada-election-ipsos-week-2/

If he does squeak by with another minority, his party should turf him for wasting everyone's time.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 12:15:58 pm
Feel free to complain to admin if you're unhappy with the logical conclusion of a discussion regarding Canada joining much of the rest of the developed world and having an option for private delivery of Healthcare.

and yet you refuse to answer the pointed questions asked of you; again:

=> do you actually maintain that 2-tier doesn't negatively impact upon public healthcare - is that your position?

=> do you recognize that 2-tier is actually 2 standards of health care; one for those who can pay & one for those who can't?

somehow you conveniently ignore private clinics that exist today! Is that because you don't like having it highlighted that they're like private clubs charging significant membership fees... and they are forced to charge for insured health care only to the limits as set forth by the Canada Health Act... and they isolate (take away) medical professionals from the public sphere?

"logical conclusion" - says proponent of 2-tier health care!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 12:25:59 pm
Things aren't going in the right direction for JT.

early days... but yes, in the aggregate, Liberal numbers are down. Your reference to the "national number" is as stoopid as CTV continuing to play up a single Nanos poll. Perhaps you could elaborate on the value add a national number... versus regional numbers, provides - yes?

considering how biased the media has proven itself to be (who knew, ya ya), considering how lazy and inept the media has proven itself to be, considering the media does not fact-check a damn thing the lying & misinforming NDP/Singh states, considering CPC/O'Toole has made promises that have outright shifted the CPC to the centre left (and away from the CPC platform, away from the CPC base, away from the social conservative elements within the CPC)... ya, those numbers are down!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 12:39:24 pm
Afghanistan: blatant political opportunism by NDP/Singh & CPC/O'Toole

since all Singh says is "bad man Justin Trudeau", let the waldo speak of the nonsense O'Toole is spewing. Canada was able to fly out 17 flights, whether O'Toole refuses to acknowledge them or not! O'Toole, a Harper cabinet minister, had the audacity to claim the federal government refused to, as he states, "re-open the special immigration pathway established for Afghan interpreters under the previous Conservative government". Geezaz waldo, the guy won't even say the Harper government! LOL!

ya waldo, what about that "special Harper government immigration pathway":

(https://i.imgur.com/JJgq6Of.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 26, 2021, 01:22:56 pm
Canadians would rather just point at the US and do nothing instead of doing anything to improve their own system.

.

I agree.  Private Healthcare gets the boogeyman treatment because the US system has their problems.  I think if they much better regulated insurance policies (ie cost controls, making preexisting conditions irrelevant etc) and other controls it would be a better system.  No idea how much better,  but clearly their current system is too deregulated.

This whole topic is a bit of a Liberal boogeyman because Otoole doesn't set provincial healthcare policy.

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 26, 2021, 01:55:09 pm
I agree.  Private Healthcare gets the boogeyman treatment because the US system has their problems.  I think if they much better regulated insurance policies (ie cost controls, making preexisting conditions irrelevant etc) and other controls it would be a better system.  No idea how much better,  but clearly their current system is too deregulated.

This whole topic is a bit of a Liberal boogeyman because Otoole doesn't set provincial healthcare policy.

waldo only wants to discus waldo's talking points.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 02:24:32 pm
waldo only wants to discus waldo's talking points.

geezaz wilber - are you a lil' put off cause the waldo highlighted your "gem" was 2-decades old? I keep emphasizing this thread as an opportunity to discuss respective party election platform policy intent/pledges - what are you waiting for? Apparently you're keen to derail this thread from that most useful undertaking... in favour of, if done properly, a most exhaustive and complex undertaking to attempt country comparison health care? Really? There's no shortage of private health care case examples within Canada - even a key one that your boy CPC/O'Toole uses as a repeated go-to! Again, what are you waiting for?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 26, 2021, 02:38:34 pm
geezaz wilber - are you a lil' put off cause the waldo highlighted your "gem" was 2-decades old? I keep emphasizing this thread as an opportunity to discuss respective party election platform policy intent/pledges - what are you waiting for? Apparently you're keen to derail this thread from that most useful undertaking... in favour of, if done properly, a most exhaustive and complex undertaking to attempt country comparison health care? Really? There's no shortage of private health care case examples within Canada - even a key one that your boy CPC/O'Toole uses as a repeated go-to! Again, what are you waiting for?

We are discussing part of the Conservative platform, it just doesn't fit your narative.

World Population Review rankings for 2021 puts Canada at 30. France still #1.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 02:50:52 pm
O'Toole doesn't get to decide any of this anyways so its irrelevant.
This whole topic is a bit of a Liberal boogeyman because Otoole doesn't set provincial healthcare policy.

there are an assortment of past practices, (like blatant extra-billing by doctors), that ultimately brought forward federal legislation in the form of the Canada Health Act. That federal CHA law forced provinces to enact their own legislation to ensure compliance with the CHA; legislation like:
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=> restrictions that stop a doctor who bills public medicare from charging a patient an additional amount (extra-billing);

=> restrictions that prevent physicians from billing both the public and private systems simultaneously, at least for “medically necessary” care (dual practice);

=> restrictions on physicians in the private sector charging prices for medically necessary care that are higher than those permitted in the public plan; and

=> restrictions on private health insurance for services that are covered by medicare.

when CPC/O'Toole explicitly states he, "trusts the premiers to take the lead on what more choice and more innovation means... trusts the premiers to do what is best for patients in their provinces", that is not someone, a leader, working to protect the enforcement of the CHA and the protection of universal access without the encroachment and detrimental impacts of private-for-profit health care. Imagine if a competent media wag actually asked CPC/O'Toole how he would ensure the "private-for-profit innovation & efficiencies" he continually natters on about, won't compromise the integrity of the CHA... won't result in {Conservative} premiers eliminating those provincial laws that currently enforce adherence to the CHA.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 02:54:53 pm
World Population Review rankings for 2021 puts Canada at 30. France still #1.

geezaz member wilber... you've got to be purposely trolling! I mean, c'mon... don't you find it strange/odd that those numbers line up exactly with the 2000 WHO rankings you bungled earlier? Wait waldo, surely someone will tell wilber the World Population Review rankings are simply a reference to those same 2000 WHO rankings... surely! Oh my!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 02:59:38 pm
We are discussing part of the Conservative platform, it just doesn't fit your narative.

show the waldo where... explicitly where... CPC/O'Toole acknowledges the wording, the phrase, "2-tier health care".

in any case, you may suggest that's what you're discussing but, most pointedly, YOU'RE NOT! Throwing down perception, feelings, anecdote... and most dated 2-decade old best health care country rankings... has absolutely nothing to do with the CPC/O'Toole health care related campaign pledges - nothing! C'mon member wilber, try again - try harder!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: wilber on August 26, 2021, 03:37:41 pm
geezaz member wilber... you've got to be purposely trolling! I mean, c'mon... don't you find it strange/odd that those numbers line up exactly with the 2000 WHO rankings you bungled earlier? Wait waldo, surely someone will tell wilber the World Population Review rankings are simply a reference to those same 2000 WHO rankings... surely! Oh my!

Any ranking system you care to quote doesn't put us in the top 20 regardless of the date.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 05:03:49 pm
Any ranking system you care to quote doesn't put us in the top 20 regardless of the date.

(https://i.imgur.com/i9lar5Y.png)

oh snap waldo! You're welcome! But really, again... this says diddly about Canada's healthcare constraints, limitations, areas for improvement, etc., etc., etc.! And like a junkyard dog, the waldo will keep insisting that respective party health care related election pledges need to be stated, reviewed, analyzed, critiqued on their merits or lack therein. It's a fool's errand to attempt to look at other countries on a ranking number only and make a correlation back to particulars within the Canadian health care system!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 26, 2021, 06:44:16 pm

there are an assortment of past practices, (like blatant extra-billing by doctors), that ultimately brought forward federal legislation in the form of the Canada Health Act. That federal CHA law forced provinces to enact their own legislation to ensure compliance with the CHA;

The feds can't "force" the provinces to do anything.  The CHA is voluntary, the provinces have to agree to it.  Its just an agreement between feds and provinces of "us feds will give you health transfer money and in return you promise to abide by these rules".

O'Toole nor Trudeau can't do anything to provincial health care systems without the provinces consenting.  The provinces control everything, just like the feds can't do anything on childcare without provincial consent.  The feds can give more money or take away money but they can't privatize jack all.  Taking away money from the provinces would be political suicide, the CPC isn't going to do that just to force 2-tier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Health_Act

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"The Act deals only with how the system is financed. Because of the constitutional division of powers among levels of government in Canadian federalism, adherence to CHA conditions is voluntary (enforceable by Health Canada). However, the fiscal levers have helped to ensure a relatively consistent level of coverage across the country."
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 06:45:21 pm
I'm shocked you didn't acknowledge I busted your 'top 20' challenge!

The three ranked above us have mixed systems. Swedes are allowed to pay for private care.

these are meaningless statements in the broader context of analyzing 2-tier within the Canadian health care system - again, there are representative examples right here in Canada, yet for some reason you're fixated on country comparison by a single rank number - meaningless without in-depth analysis, ranking criteria, related data, etc., etc., etc.!

but hey, since it was an easy googly - the role of private health insurance in Sweden:

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Private health insurance, in the form of supplementary coverage, accounts for less than 1% of health expenditures. It is purchased mainly by employers and is used primarily to guarantee quick access to an ambulatory care specialist and to avoid wait lists for elective treatment. In 2017 Sweden's population was approximately 10 million; of which 633,000 individuals had private insurance, representing roughly 13% of all employed individuals ages 16 to 64 years.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 07:06:08 pm
The feds can't "force" the provinces to do anything.

the Canada Health Act lists the conditions that provincial/territorial health insurance plans must respect in order to receive federal cash contributions... conditions (5) related to: public administration, accessibility, comprehensiveness, universality and portability. Again, towards CHA compliance, provinces have enacted their own legislation such as:
   
Quote
=> restrictions that stop a doctor who bills public medicare from charging a patient an additional amount (extra-billing);

    => restrictions that prevent physicians from billing both the public and private systems simultaneously, at least for “medically necessary” care (dual practice);

    => restrictions on physicians in the private sector charging prices for medically necessary care that are higher than those permitted in the public plan; and

    => restrictions on private health insurance for services that are covered by medicare.

and you're wrong if you belief the CHA legislation/law has no impact upon the provinces - it's exactly why current private clinics don't charge greater than what's allowed for insured services.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 26, 2021, 07:16:41 pm
Things aren't going in the right direction for JT.

early days... but yes, in the aggregate, Liberal numbers are down. Your reference to the "national number" is as stoopid as CTV continuing to play up a single Nanos poll. Perhaps you could elaborate on the value add a national number... versus regional numbers, provides - yes?

considering how biased the media has proven itself to be (who knew, ya ya), considering how lazy and inept the media has proven itself to be, considering the media does not fact-check a damn thing the lying & misinforming NDP/Singh states, considering CPC/O'Toole has made promises that have outright shifted the CPC to the centre left (and away from the CPC platform, away from the CPC base, away from the social conservative elements within the CPC)... ya, those numbers are down!

(https://i.imgur.com/SvJU8LI.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on August 26, 2021, 08:05:22 pm
....current private clinics....
Waldo, why is Trudeau not pledging to outlaw these abominations?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: kimmy on August 26, 2021, 11:30:17 pm



public health care advocates state CPC/O’Toole can't have it both ways - that he has not explained how his support for allowing private, for-profit medical services squares with his assertion that he fully supports universal, public health care.

CPC/O'Toole <=> 2-tier health care

We already have considerable "public-private synergy" in healthcare. The idea that this is a threat to universal access to healthcare is a boogeyman that you guys like to haul out at election time.

My doctor doesn't work at the hospital or some government facility. She works at a little clinic that she and a couple of other doctors jointly run. When I need blood work or imaging done, I don't go to a hospital or government facility, I go to a privately owned, for-profit lab.   During the vaccine roll-out, I don't know what percentage of vaccinations were performed by pharmacists at privately owned, for-profit pharmacies. I do know that when I tried to book appointments online at local pharmacies, they were booked solid... they must have administered quite a few doses. They also administer tons of flu vaccinations every fall, and provide a lot of general-purpose healthcare advice that probably provides great value to our public health in general, ranging from helping people monitor their diabetes to providing assistance with minor issues that might otherwise see a patient go to the doctor.

If the grand dream of a national pharmacare program ever comes to fruition, one can rest assured that pharmacies won't be nationalized; rather it will involve a "public-private synergy" where the government works with privately owned, for-profit enterprises.

Another possibility for "public-private synergies" is home-care visits from care aids for patients who can still live at home and don't need full-time care but do need regular assistance for whatever minor medical issue they might have-- like changing a bandage, helping them bathe, administering an injection, and so on.  There's no need for those things to be done at a hospital or done by a highly trained professional. People who know more about healthcare and geriatrics than I do could probably come up with a lot of ideas that could improve patient care and save money at the same time; an entrepreneurial incentive could help bring these ideas to life.

"Public-private synergy" doesn't necessarily mean "two-tier".  What is important is that we maintain universal single-payer health insurance.  There's plenty of opportunity for "public-private synergy" within a single-payer system.


 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 27, 2021, 01:47:24 am
We already have considerable "public-private synergy" in healthcare. The idea that this is a threat to universal access to healthcare is a boogeyman that you guys like to haul out at election time.

the waldo is hard-pressed to recognize anything you've described as potentially fitting the model of a private for profit health care clinic providing health services that physicians health practitioners are able to bill for their services. Your doctor's office example is simply a, per norm, private practice billing your B.C. government for insured services - billing that aligns with predetermined service fee schedules. Same with pharmacies handling vaccinations; per a predetermined fee schedule a pharmacy simply charges your government a set amount for each vaccination.

again, 2-tier is with respect to private clinics billing patients directly for services to a level exceeding government fee schedules - which doesn't... shouldn't happen. The threat to universal access is real; even as it stands today with these existing private clinics, medical professionals staffing these clinics have been removed from the public sphere. As I stated, these private clinics are able to maintain their viability by charging, effectively, membership fees... significant membership fees. And again, in actual implemented 2-tier, public standards deteriorate as more and more medical staff gravitate to the more lucrative private side. So yes, 2 standards of health care develop; one for people that can pay and one for people that can't.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 27, 2021, 02:28:24 am
Afghanistan: blatant political opportunism by NDP/Singh & CPC/O'Toole

since all Singh says is "bad man Justin Trudeau", let the waldo speak of the nonsense O'Toole is spewing. Canada was able to fly out 17 flights, whether O'Toole refuses to acknowledge them or not! O'Toole, a Harper cabinet minister, had the audacity to claim the federal government refused to, as he states, "re-open the special immigration pathway established for Afghan interpreters under the previous Conservative government". Geezaz waldo, the guy won't even say the Harper government! LOL!

ya waldo, what about that "special Harper government immigration pathway":

(https://i.imgur.com/JJgq6Of.png)

G&M reporter Marieke Walsh has been soundly criticized over long periods for carrying CPC water... to the point she's now actually attempting somewhat of a balanced make-over in covering the respective parties/leaders. How odd militaryManO'Toole can't manage a single answer with specificity - oh my!

(https://i.imgur.com/Ogkkx5Y.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 27, 2021, 08:08:16 am
early days... but yes, in the aggregate, Liberal numbers are down. Your reference to the "national number" is as stoopid as CTV continuing to play up a single Nanos poll. Perhaps you could elaborate on the value add a national number... versus regional numbers, provides - yes?

considering how biased the media has proven itself to be (who knew, ya ya), considering how lazy and inept the media has proven itself to be, considering the media does not fact-check a damn thing the lying & misinforming NDP/Singh states, considering CPC/O'Toole has made promises that have outright shifted the CPC to the centre left (and away from the CPC platform, away from the CPC base, away from the social conservative elements within the CPC)... ya, those numbers are down!

Do you have a source that polls individual ridings?

AND, where does JT hope to make gains to re-gain a majority?

You have to concede the campaign hasn't gone his way so far. I've very surprised how Prime Ministerial O'Toole looks so far.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on August 27, 2021, 12:53:25 pm
O'Toole is coming out surprisingly balanced.  One thing I really like about his platform is stopping all the drunken COVID spending.  He's talking a good game on housing too. 

Trudeau's little power-grab might end up backfiring spectacularly.

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 27, 2021, 09:31:41 pm
I've very surprised how Prime Ministerial O'Toole looks so far.

you mean where the CPC 'brain trust' keeps O'Toole isolated in that "virtual hideyhole"... where O'Toole doesn't go out into crowds... where O'Toole repeatedly refuses to answer questions asked of him by media? Is that your looking Prime Ministerial?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 27, 2021, 09:52:45 pm
...drunken COVID spending.

that's quite the summary phrase! Care to actually speak to what benefit spending you found/find... "drunken"?

He's talking a good game on housing too.

that's quite the analysis! LOL! "Good Game" - oh my. Here, I believe the following image presents a Global News summary on the respective housing related policy announcements - care to speak to what CPC/O'Toole has announced that's distinct and better that other party announcements... you know, to have established that "good game" you're talking up?

(https://i.imgur.com/sqbaJou.png)

Trudeau's little power-grab might end up backfiring spectacularly.

power grab? Again, the average duration of completed minorities in Canada is 479 days - this PM Trudeau Liberal minority government has lasted 619 days. Again, Parliament became 'toxic and obstructionist' - those examples of down&dirty obstructionism by CPC & NDP MPs is well understood, well documented! The CPC has tried many times to bring the government down... apparently attempted power grabs you had no concerns over! If not for the propJob of the lying & misinforming NDP/Singh, an election would have been called long ago.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 27, 2021, 10:37:31 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Eb2Zrht.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 28, 2021, 11:28:11 am
CPC/O'Toole is steadfast in his refusal to agree with mandatory vaccinations; continually reaching for the, "it's a personal decision", fall-back line while, as some form of panacea, emphasizing that he has been vaccinated himself. In recent weeks, larger and more professionally organized anti-vaxxer protests have been targeting PM Trudeau public appearances... while CPC/O'Toole appears afraid to meet the public as he tucks away in his virtual studio.

anti-vaxx protests reached a new level at last night's intended PM Trudeau campaign rally event in Bolton Ontario... causing the event to be cancelled due to security concerns. As it turns out, at least 4 of the protesters were a part of CPC candidate Kyle Seeback's campaign (currently running as the incumbent in Dufferin-Caledon).

CPC/O'Toole was pointedly asked if he thought his personal position on vaccines was helping to fuel the antivaxx protests:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGBB3qa.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 29, 2021, 11:47:19 pm
CPC/O'Toole said Friday that a CPC government would rollback the federal government's more aggressive emissions reduction target, committing instead to the lower target set by former CPC Prime Minister Harper.

Quote from: CPC leader O'Toole
Canada needs a climate target it can hit without crippling the economy

the current federal government emissions target has been registered with the United Nations in June - the new target was enshrined in law under the recently passed Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 30, 2021, 12:27:47 am
the decades long climate change denying statements/claims of wingnut CPC MP/candidate Cheryl Gallant are well documented. And now thanks to recent days scrutiny on her most brazen personal attacks against PM Trudeau (the hanging PM image being her most recent), it's come to light that she's also been fronting a conspiracy theory video where she claims PM Trudeau/Liberals are... "planning a climate lockdown"... referring to the federal government implementing personal and corporate restrictions in order to curb the long-term effects of climate change.

at separate media Q/A's, CPC/O'Toole was repeatedly asked if he found Gallant's statements and claims acceptable - per his norm, O'Toole refused to answer the questions directly. Eventually Gallant's Youtube channel videos were scrubbed and O'Toole, without mentioning Gallant by name, issued a statement: "Any candidates who don’t support my plan on climate change, or any other part of my platform, will not be part of a future Conservative caucus." Wow, so... hard hitting!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 30, 2021, 09:37:54 am
waldo reminder: at the March CPC policy convention, Conservative delegates voted to reject adding green-referenced statements to the policy book — including a line that would have stated the party believes "climate change is real" and is "willing to act."

also in those rejected statements was:
=> the need to recognize that "Canadian businesses classified as highly polluting need to take more responsibility" and "reduce their GHG emissions."
=> a call to support "innovation in green technologies" so that Canada can become "a world-class leader" in an emerging industry.

a 15 tweet threadreader unroll of examples of climate change denial in the CPC caucus (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1432316750222315526.html) - yes, dinosaurs is an appropriate description!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 30, 2021, 11:09:20 am
I've very surprised how Prime Ministerial O'Toole looks so far.

you mean where the CPC 'brain trust' keeps O'Toole isolated in that "virtual hideyhole"... where O'Toole doesn't go out into crowds... where O'Toole repeatedly refuses to answer questions asked of him by media? Is that your looking Prime Ministerial?

hey Boges - more of that looking... Prime Ministerial? Here's CPC/O'Toole out in a crowd throng... in an empty bowling alley! So many protestors! LOL!

and more of the same continued refusal in answering pointed questions from the media!

(https://i.imgur.com/dVGPHdy.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on August 30, 2021, 12:19:24 pm
The right can't ignore the matter of increasing wealth disparity... and there are ways to share wealth without raising taxes too: reduce public subsidies for profitable endeavours, mandate wage increases or strengthen unions as Comrade O'Toole is doing now.
 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 30, 2021, 12:30:19 pm
JT's boy Nano is ringing the Alarm.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/federal-election-2021/conservatives-on-rocket-ride-as-seat-projection-shows-close-race-nanos-1.5566606

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With just three weeks to go until the Sept. 20 vote, tracking data ending Sunday and released Monday morning shows the Liberals projected to win 111 seats versus 107 for the Conservatives, a sharp change from an Aug. 22 projection that had the Liberals ahead of the Conservatives 128 to 94. A projection from June had the Liberals at 171 seats versus 59 for the Conservatives.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 30, 2021, 09:51:15 pm
I've very surprised how Prime Ministerial O'Toole looks so far.

you mean where the CPC 'brain trust' keeps O'Toole isolated in that "virtual hideyhole"... where O'Toole doesn't go out into crowds... where O'Toole repeatedly refuses to answer questions asked of him by media? Is that your looking Prime Ministerial?

CPC/O'Toole has been hermetically sealed in a bubble to ensure he doesn't have to interact with Canadians - so "Prime Ministerial", hey member Boges? And today more of that refusing to answer media questions - so... "Prime Ministerial"!
(https://i.imgur.com/pDNrG7b.png)

that last question referenced on free votes will have CPC/O'Toole attempting to 'square the circle'... given his stance on allowing CPC MPs to vote freely - to vote their conscience, how does O'Toole square that with his recent days statement that all candidates must/will agree with his policy platform... or they won't be a part of the CPC caucus! Oh my waldo, that doesn't sound like 'free to vote'!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 30, 2021, 09:56:21 pm
so CPC/O'Toole has pledged to take Canada's emission targets back to the Harper days... and consequently the Harper days of climate change inaction! Meanwhile a reelected Liberal government has a climate plan, an ambitious plan to accelerate climate action for more jobs, cleaner communities, and less pollution.

(https://i.imgur.com/O1k9yHT.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 31, 2021, 09:30:40 am
you mean where the CPC 'brain trust' keeps O'Toole isolated in that "virtual hideyhole"... where O'Toole doesn't go out into crowds... where O'Toole repeatedly refuses to answer questions asked of him by media? Is that your looking Prime Ministerial?

CPC/O'Toole has been hermetically sealed in a bubble to ensure he doesn't have to interact with Canadians - so "Prime Ministerial", hey member Boges? And today more of that refusing to answer media questions - so... "Prime Ministerial"!
(https://i.imgur.com/pDNrG7b.png)

that last question referenced on free votes will have CPC/O'Toole attempting to 'square the circle'... given his stance on allowing CPC MPs to vote freely - to vote their conscience, how does O'Toole square that with his recent days statement that all candidates must/will agree with his policy platform... or they won't be a part of the CPC caucus! Oh my waldo, that doesn't sound like 'free to vote'!

The Libs are playing from the same Hidden Agenda playbook you always have.

He can look to his friend DoFo who recently turfed an MPP for refusing to be vaccinated.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 11:08:41 am
He can look to his friend DoFo who recently turfed an MPP for refusing to be vaccinated.

when you speak of playing from the same playbook... you mean that same CPC playbook that, once again, has DOFO hidden away during yet another federal election campaign? Like that? Why so?

oh snap! Wait now, is that why the long anticipated... long delayed... Ontario government action on a vaccine passport... er... vaccine certificate... er... vaccine sticker with shyte adhesive is said to finally be announced "in the next days". If the passport, certificate or whatever actually comes forward is legit, how will CPC/O'Toole square that with his "respecting people's personal choices". Surely with the scrutiny and public calls on this, surely DOFO can't delay this till after the election - surely not! Right Boges - amirite?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 11:18:23 am
member Boges, the AR-15 - the preferred weapon for, uhhh... hunters... ya, hunters! LOL!

it's not, as you say, 'hidden agenda' when CPC/O'Toole has it prominently a part of his own policy platform and reclassification scheme to make it legal again in Canada! Freedom for hunters!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/ZTz24vI.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 31, 2021, 11:24:36 am
when you speak of playing from the same playbook... you mean that same CPC playbook that, once again, has DOFO hidden away during yet another federal election campaign? Like that? Why so?

oh snap! Wait now, is that why the long anticipated... long delayed... Ontario government action on a vaccine passport... er... vaccine certificate... er... vaccine sticker with shyte adhesive is said to finally be announced "in the next days". If the passport, certificate or whatever actually comes forward is legit, how will CPC/O'Toole square that with his "respecting people's personal choices". Surely with the scrutiny and public calls on this, surely DOFO can't delay this till after the election - surely not! Right Boges - amirite?

Long delayed? Is that the rhetoric you're going with?

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 31, 2021, 11:25:32 am
member Boges, the AR-15 - the preferred weapon for, uhhh... hunters... ya, hunters! LOL!

it's not, as you say, 'hidden agenda' when CPC/O'Toole has it prominently a part of his own policy platform and reclassification scheme to make it legal again in Canada! Freedom for hunters!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/ZTz24vI.jpg)

Were these weapons also not heavily regulated? It's not like it's legal to carry them in public, like in portions of the US.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 11:28:43 am
purrfect - that lyin' & misinforming NDP/Singh finally got a worthy 'comeuppance' at a NDP campaign event with Singh personally campaigning for the long running incumbent MP, Niki Ashton: when NDP/Singh invites a large grouping of key First Nation members, he certainly didn't expect the grand chiefs of MKO and AMFN endorsing the Liberal candidate Shirley Robinson... while standing right next to Singh himself - at the 40 sec mark of the 60 sec video! Oh my! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1432547173481304068/pu/vid/576x1024/U06vhdTYRZ8SZqj7.mp4?tag=12)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 11:33:58 am
when you speak of playing from the same playbook... you mean that same CPC playbook that, once again, has DOFO hidden away during yet another federal election campaign? Like that? Why so?

oh snap! Wait now, is that why the long anticipated... long delayed... Ontario government action on a vaccine passport... er... vaccine certificate... er... vaccine sticker with shyte adhesive is said to finally be announced "in the next days". If the passport, certificate or whatever actually comes forward is legit, how will CPC/O'Toole square that with his "respecting people's personal choices". Surely with the scrutiny and public calls on this, surely DOFO can't delay this till after the election - surely not! Right Boges - amirite?

Long delayed? Is that the rhetoric you're going with?

is their a translator in the house?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 31, 2021, 11:45:56 am
is their a translator in the house?

The fact that DoFo is working on the Fourth Wave and vaccine passports, is evidence that this campaign is a pathetic power grab. The entire country is distracted by COVID. No one really cares right now, and JT could very well be punished for it.

Only extreme partisans like yourself and the anti-vax fringe from the Right gives two fucks about this campaign.

It'll be fitting that JT lose just because of his galling arrogance.

I don't like that O'Toole won't come out more strongly against factions in his party that aren't Pro-Vacccine, but he has to win a national campaign. It's not like vaccine mandates are the Federal Government's responsibility anyway, beyond International Travel.

You could argue the pledge by the Feds to produce one by the fall is inappropriate considering we're in the Fourth Wave now. Why don't we have one already? Quebec has one for tomorrow? Long Delayed.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 12:07:26 pm
Only extreme partisans like yourself and the anti-vax fringe from the Right gives two fucks about this campaign.

so... what? You're a, 'less than extreme' partisan... and so how many **** s do you give about this campaign then? LOL!

The fact that DoFo is working on the Fourth Wave and vaccine passports, is evidence that this campaign is a pathetic power grab. The entire country is distracted by COVID. No one really cares right now, and JT could very well be punished for it.

DOFO working on... that's an oxymoron, right? C'mon Boges, DOFO was most hesitant repeatedly stating he, "didn't want to create a split society". It's only the ever-building pressure that finally pushed the Ontario government in that "passport/certificate" direction - with local medical officers of health, medical experts, mayors, etc., providing the final push to kick-start DOFO off his reluctance to act! The long delayed reference aligns with how many times it was teased that, "it's almost there"... "just days away"... "was supposed to be last week... now tomorrow... ya, ya, tomorrow"!

is your 'no one cares' the rationale behind keeping CPC/O'Toole hidden away, sheltered from any kind of interaction with actual Canadians? Is that it - cause no one cares?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 12:14:46 pm
purrfect - that lyin' & misinforming NDP/Singh finally got a worthy 'comeuppance' at a NDP campaign event with Singh personally campaigning for the long running incumbent MP, Niki Ashton: when NDP/Singh invites a large grouping of key First Nation members, he certainly didn't expect the grand chiefs of MKO and AMFN endorsing the Liberal candidate Shirley Robinson... while standing right next to Singh himself - at the 40 sec mark of the 60 sec video! Oh my! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1432547173481304068/pu/vid/576x1024/U06vhdTYRZ8SZqj7.mp4?tag=12)

whaaa! Given NDP/Singh's perpetual lying & misinforming on the campaign trail, this is so sweet!

(https://i.imgur.com/MQTESBB.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 31, 2021, 12:21:35 pm
so... what? You're a, 'less than extreme' partisan... and so how many **** s do you give about this campaign then? LOL!
Quote

Yeah I'm not scouring Twitter for all the talking points.

Quote
DOFO working on... that's an oxymoron, right? C'mon Boges, DOFO was most hesitant repeatedly stating he, "didn't want to create a split society". It's only the ever-building pressure that finally pushed the Ontario government in that "passport/certificate" direction - with local medical officers of health, medical experts, mayors, etc., providing the final push to kick-start DOFO off his reluctance to act! The long delayed reference aligns with how many times it was teased that, "it's almost there"... "just days away"... "was supposed to be last week... now tomorrow... ya, ya, tomorrow"!

is your 'no one cares' the rationale behind keeping CPC/O'Toole hidden away, sheltered from any kind of interaction with actual Canadians? Is that it - cause no one cares?

He probably thought he could get away without needing one. Currently the cases/hospitalization don't require one. But, he's probably been advised that it could be required in the Fall. That's when the Federal one is expected right?

I don't considering trailing BC and Quebec on this to be all that bad at all.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 02:03:30 pm
Yeah I'm not scouring Twitter for all the talking points.

whaaa! I thought you said it was my ties to the Liberal War Room - make up your mind!

but speaking of, the ongoing charade that has the CPC 'brain trust' playing up O'Toole as a moderate, here's the real O'Toole (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1432687252346478592/pu/vid/1280x720/CnD_bOXMDzZOug6o.mp4?tag=12) when the media spotlight and talking points aren't front & center! The CPC/O'Toole that:
=> makes disparaging and sexist comments about Liberal MP & cabinet minister Maryam Monsef
=> states he will end the CBC
=> makes a disparaging comment about CBC journalist Rosemary Barton
=> says he wants to "hang" the Liberals
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on August 31, 2021, 02:08:03 pm
whaaa! I thought you said it was my ties to the Liberal War Room - make up your mind!

but speaking of, the ongoing charade that has the CPC 'brain trust' playing up O'Toole as a moderate, here's the real O'Toole (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1432687252346478592/pu/vid/1280x720/CnD_bOXMDzZOug6o.mp4?tag=12) when the media spotlight and talking points aren't front & center! The CPC/O'Toole that:
=> makes disparaging and sexist comments about Liberal MP & cabinet minister Maryam Monsef
=> states he will end the CBC
=> makes a disparaging comment about CBC journalist Rosemary Barton
=> says he wants to "hang" the Liberals

Sorry, calling someone a fraud is sexist now?

And I'm sure nuance is not your strong suit. But I'm sure he's not talking about executing Liberals via hanging. He's referring to hanging this fraud he's claiming around the Liberals neck.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 02:21:56 pm
the decades long climate change denying statements/claims of wingnut CPC MP/candidate Cheryl Gallant are well documented. And now thanks to recent days scrutiny on her most brazen personal attacks against PM Trudeau (the hanging PM image being her most recent), it's come to light that she's also been fronting a conspiracy theory video where she claims PM Trudeau/Liberals are... "planning a climate lockdown"... referring to the federal government implementing personal and corporate restrictions in order to curb the long-term effects of climate change.

at separate media Q/A's, CPC/O'Toole was repeatedly asked if he found Gallant's statements and claims acceptable - per his norm, O'Toole refused to answer the questions directly. Eventually Gallant's Youtube channel videos were scrubbed and O'Toole, without mentioning Gallant by name, issued a statement: "Any candidates who don’t support my plan on climate change, or any other part of my platform, will not be part of a future Conservative caucus." Wow, so... hard hitting!

And I'm sure nuance is not your strong suit.

more nuance, hey? Claiming PM Trudeau is complicit in the spread of COVID-19... nuance, right member Boges - nuance!
(https://i.imgur.com/mK9ei54.png)

oh, and a correction: CPC MP Gallant didn't actually scrub her videos from Youtube - apparently, she just made them private!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on August 31, 2021, 08:35:57 pm
whaaa! I thought you said it was my ties to the Liberal War Room - make up your mind!

=> says he wants to "hang" the Liberals

You're the fraud.  He made no violent insinuations using that word and you know that.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 10:55:50 pm
purrfect - that lyin' & misinforming NDP/Singh finally got a worthy 'comeuppance' at a NDP campaign event with Singh personally campaigning for the long running incumbent MP, Niki Ashton: when NDP/Singh invites a large grouping of key First Nation members, he certainly didn't expect the grand chiefs of MKO and AMFN endorsing the Liberal candidate Shirley Robinson... while standing right next to Singh himself - at the 40 sec mark of the 60 sec video! Oh my! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1432547173481304068/pu/vid/576x1024/U06vhdTYRZ8SZqj7.mp4?tag=12)

whaaa! Given NDP/Singh's perpetual lying & misinforming on the campaign trail, this is so sweet!

(https://i.imgur.com/MQTESBB.jpg)


wait waldo, is there more? Why yes, yes there is... a vid isolated to the grand chiefs comments then the camera widens out... with the 'Curb Your Enthusiasm theme' playing (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1432711825053863945/pu/vid/1258x720/mOeMbKvBv23Z22yM.mp4?tag=12) - perfect!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 11:00:57 pm
You're the fraud.  He made no violent insinuations using that word and you know that.

the waldo simply quoted O'Toole's words - that's it! Certainly Gorgeous, you're free to explain what he meant by them instead of always reaching for your manufactured drama!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on August 31, 2021, 11:52:09 pm
oh my! Today CPC O'Toole said he would balance the budget by growing the economy... and without cuts!

geezaz waldo, CPC O'Toole just said, "the budget will balance itself"! Now some other guy said the same thing... except that per CPC norm the statement was isolated with the full {supporting} context removed. And the CPC played this out for all its worth; creating a brazillion memes along the way. Oh my!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 01, 2021, 08:24:35 am
the waldo simply quoted O'Toole's words - that's it! Certainly Gorgeous, you're free to explain what he meant by them instead of always reaching for your manufactured drama!

I did in my response. It's a figure of speech.

Are you really suggesting O'Toole was looking to execute people?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 01, 2021, 01:39:05 pm
DoFo came out today to land some haymakers on JT.

Why is there no Federal Vaccine Passport? Why do we have to wait until after this unneeded election?

School Boards are beginning to deny EC from using their schools as polling places.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8157355/tcdsb-votes-against-allowing-polling-stations-in-schools/

I don't think I've ever voted in a place that wasn't a school.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: kimmy on September 01, 2021, 11:48:34 pm
LPC: "We need to talk about Cheryl Gallant."

Also LPC: "But let's not talk about Raj Saini or Taleeb Noormohamed."

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 02, 2021, 01:54:19 am
DoFo came out today to land some haymakers on JT.

Why is there no Federal Vaccine Passport? Why do we have to wait until after this unneeded election?

a clear DOFO swing & a miss! The DOFO government absolutely did not ask the federal government to bring forward a federal vaccine passport/certificate; rather, it asked... pressed the federal government on a vaccine passport for international travel. Of course the federal government has been working on that for some time... working with the international community of nations in developing standards and implementing them towards a delivery in 'early fall' 2021 - while also working with provinces towards respective portals and related infrastructure to allow access to provincial health authority held vaccination records. Per Immigration Minister Marco Mendicino, in regards this international travel focused 'certificate':
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The vaccine certificate will be common across all provinces, and will include the holder’s COVID-19 vaccination history, the date they got it, the type of jab they received and the location where they received their shot. It will be available to all citizens, permanent residents, and temporary residents living in Canada who are fully vaccinated.

further to a response provided by Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc:
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Although the passport is being crafted with international travel in mind, the federal government is happy to work with the provinces to use it as a domestic proof-of-vaccination tool too. If the provinces wish to work with us in order to use our federal credentials within their province, we would be happy to work with them.

certainly, there is a mixed response by provincial governments/Premiers towards introducing vaccine passports/certificates for domestic use within their respective provinces.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 02, 2021, 02:32:23 am
some of those lacking full and rounded knowledge are easily swayed by the 'johnny-come-lately' CPC/O'Toole buzzword-like references to so-called 'gig workers'.

waldo factoids:
=> on the broader front impacting a variety of worker types (including 'gig workers'), the Liberal 2019 platform included intentions towards such things as labour code job protections, expansion of worker benefits, minimum wage increases, job training funding, etc..
=> April's budget 2021 included worker benefit improvements and job protections; for example, references to multiple paths of intended consultation toward improving workers access to EI & based on required consultations, labour code amendments to protect 'gig workers', including those who work through digital platforms.

today, as many as 1 in 3 unemployed workers have been denied Employment Insurance (EI) coverage - self-employed people—such as freelancers, contractors, and gig workers—are unable to contribute to the EI system.

on the more pointed election platform front, towards an improved and more inclusive Employment Insurance system & increased job protections, a reelected Liberal government will:
(https://i.imgur.com/lUxYaCC.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 02, 2021, 02:57:26 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Rqdq4Vq.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 02, 2021, 03:03:36 am
some of those lacking full and rounded knowledge are easily swayed by the 'johnny-come-lately' CPC/O'Toole buzzword-like references to so-called 'gig workers'.

Erin O’Toole’s Plan For Gig Workers Was ‘Carbon Copied’ From Uber’s Corporate Lobbyists (https://pressprogress.ca/erin-otooles-plan-for-gig-workers-was-carbon-copied-from-ubers-corporate-lobbyists/) --- Gig workers warn the Conservative leader’s plan would erode employment standards and create a permanent underclass of precarious workers

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One of Conservative leader Erin O’Toole’s platform proposals to help gig workers is identical to demands from Uber’s corporate lobbyists that would undermine Canadian employment standards, gig workers say.

“The Conservative platform is clearly a carbon copy of Uber’s Flexible Work+,” Jennifer Scott, president of Gig Workers United told PressProgress, adding that O’Toole’s platform would “create a third category of worker.”

O’Toole’s platform promises that a Conservative government would require app-based companies like Uber, Lyft and Skip the Dishes to make contributions to an Employee Savings Account every time they pay workers. Workers would be able to withdraw from these funds “as needed.”

What O’Toole doesn’t mention is that his proposal aligns with Uber’s recent lobbying to change provincial labour laws around worker classification. Uber falsely told Canadians it cannot offer workers benefits without changes to Employment Standards and worker classification policies.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 02, 2021, 11:34:41 am
... the CPC/O'Toole has promised to cut all existing early learning & child-care agreements signed between the Liberal federal government and: => July 8 - British Columbia; => July 12 - Nova Scotia; => July 23 - Yukon; => July 27 - P.E.I.; => July 28 - Newfoundland and Labrador; => August 5 - Quebec; => August 9 - Manitoba => August 13 - Saskatchewan. These agreements include provisioned monies to create required new childcare spaces; additionally monies intended to keep the quality of existing spaces... or improve the quality of spaces as may be necessary.

earlier the waldo provided a study that showed the economic gains realized when women are able to return to the workforce given affordable child care. In addition, Quebec’s experience demonstrates that those returning workforce women will boost growth and productivity — of course, both essential ingredients for an economic recovery... a recovery that CPC/O'Toole continually promises on the election campaign trail!

the CPC/O'Toole alternative to these promised cuts is to provide a tax credit... which does nothing to help create improved and most necessary new childcare spaces to create the foundation necessary for women to return to the workforce.

per Reuters, for select cities, the respective impacts of Liberal versus CPC/O'Toole child care policies:
(https://i.imgur.com/7QQHJOI.png)

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: chilipeppers on September 02, 2021, 12:04:40 pm
I don't see why I should have to pay for other people's kids.  No problem with a tax credit and a helping hand because costs are high.  Don't have kids then expect other people to pay for them.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 02, 2021, 12:05:42 pm
former leader of the B.C. Green Party, Andrew Weaver endorsing the Liberal climate plan (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1433460983578587136/pu/vid/720x1280/YiApGlKQ_0hqImRv.mp4?tag=12)... he of impeccable credentials as a climate scientist - a frequent waldo go-to on the climate file!

Quote from: Andrew Weaver
a bold and thoughtful plan... the only credible science aligned climate plan put forward by any political party at the federal level... a plan that reflects the urgency and scale of the crisis... I'm extremely impressed by how ambitious the Liberal party climate plan is and I'm confident that this is the right plan for Canada
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 02, 2021, 12:27:03 pm
the NDP/Singh remains the only major federal party that has yet to release its 2020 Financial Report/Statement to Elections Canada - was due June 30th... like clockwork the NDP has regularly requested extensions from Elections Canada - in 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020... where it was once again given an extension to August 30th. Well NDP/Singh, where is it?

geezaz waldo, if NDP/Singh can't manage to file their own party financial returns on time, what might they do with a national budget? LOL!


now speaking of election platforms, the CPC/O'Toole have been repeatedly chiding the Liberal party to release its platform. Well O'Toole, its there now and its fully costed... and your CPC/O'Toole platform - where's the costing, hey!

(https://i.imgur.com/TRnM5KF.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 02, 2021, 01:09:56 pm
I don't see why I should have to pay for other people's kids.  No problem with a tax credit and a helping hand because costs are high.  Don't have kids then expect other people to pay for them.

Perhaps wages should have kept up with inflation.

Why can't most single-income families make ends meet? Especially in big cities.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 02, 2021, 06:06:04 pm
Perhaps wages should have kept up with inflation.

Why can't most single-income families make ends meet? Especially in big cities.

Regulate the cost of housing better and people could afford to have more kids.

The Liberals want to bring in over 420,000 new immigrants a year by 2023.  These will mainly be young people of working age or couples with children.  But until the writ was dropped 2 weeks ago they didn't care about the cost of homes and that there's not enough homes in the big cities for all these new immigrants who will need homes to buy. We need some immigrants but we wouldn't need 420k if we had our own damn kids, and we wouldn't need gov childcare if we could afford to raise them ourselves instead of sending them to the government to raise.

The Liberals are too worried about their big bank and big developer friends to give a rat.

Canada has the highest housing prices-to-income ratio in the world.  Our governments at all levels - municipal, provincial, and federal - are corrupt and incompetent beyond belief.  They're not working for us.  Golden boy has never had to worry about paying a mortgage or utility bill in his entire life.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 03, 2021, 12:32:10 pm
I was not expecting O'Toole to open up a 3-5% lead in polling.

Should JT lose, this will go down as a historic political blunder.

The country is obsessed with COVID at a local level, but he wants people to reaffirm his leadership at a National level. It has catastrophically backfired.

His best hope is another Minority, or a coalition. If that's the case his part should bounce him ASAP.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 03, 2021, 01:23:00 pm
John Horgan he ain't. 

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 03, 2021, 01:24:11 pm
Anyone know where I can watch the full French debate from last night?  In French, not voice over.

ETA, yes I googled (extensively) before asking you nice folks.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 03, 2021, 03:14:41 pm
Found it!  On Twitter of course.

If anyone else is interested:

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2021/09/02/en-direct--face-a-face-2021-les-chefs-saffrontent-dans-un-premier-debat

BTW, this debate is not through Elections Canada, it's just a TVA thing. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 06, 2021, 01:31:35 pm
This is the most boring election campaign I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 06, 2021, 02:23:00 pm
This is the most boring election campaign I've ever seen.

I like this, somehow.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 06, 2021, 05:07:57 pm
Found it!  On Twitter of course.

If anyone else is interested:

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2021/09/02/en-direct--face-a-face-2021-les-chefs-saffrontent-dans-un-premier-debat

BTW, this debate is not through Elections Canada, it's just a TVA thing.

Can anybody find a link the the french debates with english translation?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 07, 2021, 12:37:30 am
This is the most boring election campaign I've ever seen.

I kinda disagree.  PPC has become a wild card I did not see gaining any traction and the more Mad Max goes alt-right, the more O'Toole goes for the middle.  At this point the differences between Trudeau and O'Toole are getting smaller and smaller.

The anger towards Trudeau is unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime.  Truth be told, I wish the election was more boring.  I'm not digging this level of tribalism in a Canadian election.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 07, 2021, 09:49:10 am
Geez, Member Waldo has gone to the Liberal Bunker.

The Liberals are working on the messaging attacking the NDP.

A vote for the NDP is a vote for O'Toole.

I should hope the CPC will jump on the prospect of a Coalition government should he not win a Majority. That may help solidify the base and move centre-right Liberal voters over to his camp.

I can see JT embracing a Coalition just to keep power.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 07, 2021, 12:57:39 pm
I kinda disagree. 
You're probably right. I think I'm just generally more bored and desensitized. I need mobs and rioting and a gallows set up in the public square in order to be interested.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 07, 2021, 02:23:21 pm
You're probably right. I think I'm just generally more bored and desensitized. I need mobs and rioting and a gallows set up in the public square in order to be interested.

You mean like JT campaign stops in Ontario?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 07, 2021, 02:23:45 pm
The anger towards Trudeau is unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime.  Truth be told, I wish the election was more boring.  I'm not digging this level of tribalism in a Canadian election.

I'm not sure its tribalism, it seems more like anti-vax sentiment with the anger.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 07, 2021, 08:17:19 pm
You mean like JT campaign stops in Ontario?
True enough. The rock-throwing and threats to hang Trudeau in the streets by PPC candidates is certainly livening it up.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 08, 2021, 05:23:11 am
I'm not sure its tribalism, it seems more like anti-vax sentiment with the anger.

These people are forming an independent political movement.  It's not based on rationality or even a recognizable emotional response.

They're developing cultural traits and language unique to them.  For example, I read in VICE that a QANON follower in Canada is being regarded as Canada's secret 'Queen'.

So it sounds more tribal than anything.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 08, 2021, 12:14:09 pm
These people are forming an independent political movement.  It's not based on rationality or even a recognizable emotional response.

They're developing cultural traits and language unique to them.  For example, I read in VICE that a QANON follower in Canada is being regarded as Canada's secret 'Queen'.

So it sounds more tribal than anything.

Tribalism refers to politics of being a member of an identity group, like the Bloc.  They aren't throwing stuff because of white nationalism,  they're throwing stuff because they're mad at vaccine mandates etc.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 08, 2021, 12:29:22 pm
Tribalism refers to politics of being a member of an identity group, like the Bloc.  They aren't throwing stuff because of white nationalism,  they're throwing stuff because they're mad at vaccine mandates etc.

But this is the type of Populist Victim Politics that plague the Conservative movement now.

Trump's election validated it.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 08, 2021, 12:53:17 pm
But this is the type of Populist Victim Politics that plague the Conservative movement now.

Trump's election validated it.

I don't really see people being mad about vaccine mandates as populism, I see it as people protesting for their civil liberties.  Some are being violent and that's wrong, and I cautiously support vaccine mandates as an unfortunate but necessary measure to ensure public safety, but there's nothing wrong with people peacefully protesting for their liberties even if you disagree.  Freedom of speech isn't there to protect the speech we all agree with, it's to protect the speech we and specifically the government disagrees with.

To label these protestors as simply tribal populist QAnon Trump supporters as a character assault so we can quickly  dismiss their concerns is not only fallacious but low brow.  They have a right to protest but no right to be violent or threatening.

What is concerning is that the more extreme members of these crowds believe in nutty covid conspiracies and are apt to get violent,  which does have a similarity to the Jan. 6 Trump nuts.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 08, 2021, 02:39:58 pm
What is concerning is that the more extreme members of these crowds believe in nutty covid conspiracies…

So which of them don’t believe in nutty COVID conspiracies?   What are the legitimate grievances that they’re protesting?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 08, 2021, 03:01:18 pm
So which of them don’t believe in nutty COVID conspiracies?   What are the legitimate grievances that they’re protesting?

Vaccine mandates and lockdowns and border restrictions etc aka civil liberties.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 08, 2021, 03:51:14 pm
Vaccine mandates and lockdowns and border restrictions etc aka civil liberties.

What’s a “vaccine mandate” and where are these happening?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 08, 2021, 06:02:34 pm
What’s a “vaccine mandate” and where are these happening?

That's where a vaccine passport would be required such as working in the federal public service or air/rail travel and coming across the border.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 08, 2021, 07:26:22 pm
That's where a vaccine passport would be required such as working in the federal public service or air/rail travel and coming across the border.
We've had vaccine passports for travel for over 100 years. Big deal.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 08, 2021, 07:48:36 pm
We've had vaccine passports for travel for over 100 years. Big deal.

Tell the protestors that.  I'm not defending their positions, i'm defending their right to protest and saying what they're protesting.  Your or my opinion or any facts whatsoever about their opinions doesn't change that.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 08, 2021, 08:40:49 pm
Tell the protestors that.  I'm not defending their positions, i'm defending their right to protest and saying what they're protesting.  Your or my opinion or any facts whatsoever about their opinions doesn't change that.
You were defending them against the allegation their grievances were nutty. Now apparently you're not.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 08, 2021, 08:56:49 pm
You were defending them against the allegation their grievances were nutty. Now apparently you're not.

BC cheque said the anger was tribalism, and MH agreed.  Anti-vax and even COVID conspiracy people protesting lockdowns and vaccine mandates isn't tribalism.  Maybe a lot of them are QAnon nutters too, but what does that have to do with the protests or tribalism?  They're angry about COVID restrictions and one or a few of them threw gravel.  These aren't anti-immigration protests from what i've seen.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 08, 2021, 09:26:39 pm
I just meant in the vicious attacks on other political parties but yeah I should've used a better term.

As for civil liberties, essential services are available to everyone. Healthcare is available to covidiots too, even at the cost of other people who may need the bed.

Going to restaurants and movies isn't a 'right'.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on September 08, 2021, 09:51:19 pm
I just meant in the vicious attacks on other political parties but yeah I should've used a better term.
You could have used the term political which just as often makes tribalism look tame in comparison.

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As for civil liberties, essential services are available to everyone. Healthcare is available to covidiots too, even at the cost of other people who may need the bed.

Going to restaurants and movies isn't a 'right'.
Restauranteurs and theater operators however do have a right to protect themselves by requiring their employees and patrons prove they're vaccinated.

What I find interesting is why so many conservatives speak out so strongly against this right of people to protect themselves, they should at least have the decency to recognize what the issue is really about. Imagine if the issue were about the right to keep guns for that reason.

Politics, meet tribalism.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 09, 2021, 09:59:03 am
  Maybe a lot of them are QAnon nutters too, but what does that have to do with the protests or tribalism? 

I had to remind myself here - the general idea is that they are motivated by loyalty and group affiliation more than logic.

So if Donald Trump says that deficit spending is evil, they agree with their leader.  And if he does deficit spending, then they approve.  It's more about emotion and bonding with people who think the way you do in general.  Principles are secondary.

They are called tribal because they tend to reject institutions and public cultural practices that are based on intellect.  They suspect that facts are lies, provided by institutions.  "Trust" is an issue.

Some of the protestors may in fact be expressing legitimate concerns about government overreach and such, but the nature of the protests is perceived as not being based in logic and community-mindedness as much as it is in paranoia and provincial thinking.

Is that fair ?  Based on the people who I personally know who are into this, then I would say yes.  My staunchest libertarian friend has taken up the banner that freedom in our current situation runs secondary to duty to ones community and he is expressing his dissatisfaction with the anti-mask movement.  Also he is doing so IN WRITING.

The best invention we came up with as a liberal society is the social compact to subvert violence, and leave decisions to a public intellectual exercise.  As flawed as that system can be, it is still better than a forceful mob catharsis....
 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 09, 2021, 01:20:45 pm
I think O'Toole is going to have to answer for his buddy Jason Kenney. Alberta's COVID situation is a ****-show right now.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 09, 2021, 01:27:31 pm
I think O'Toole is going to have to answer for his buddy Jason Kenney. Alberta's COVID situation is a ****-show right now.

Their 7-day average in cases is almost double BC’s.  I think BC is going to improve a bit when the passport mandate comes into effect.   The unvaccinated will be needing to stay at home a lot more.  And this should bring up vaccination rates as well. 

It might take some rubber bullets and teargas to make it work too, when the crackpots get together in “protests” at the hospitals again.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 09, 2021, 02:13:58 pm
They are called tribal because they tend to reject institutions and public cultural practices that are based on intellect.  They suspect that facts are lies, provided by institutions.  "Trust" is an issue.

They don't trust government, science, or logic and are overly paranoid.  That isn't tribalism it's low intelligence and ignorance.

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Some of the protestors may in fact be expressing legitimate concerns about government overreach and such, but the nature of the protests is perceived as not being based in logic and community-mindedness as much as it is in paranoia and provincial thinking.

I agree, but that isn't tribalism.  Tribalism is politics based on group identity, like race, religion, ethnicity, language etc.  The Bloc Quebecois is tribalism.  These aren't white nationalist protests.  People aren't protesting hospitals in the name of their identity group, they're protesting for their individual civil liberties, not their group identity aka tribal rights.

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The best invention we came up with as a liberal society is the social compact to subvert violence, and leave decisions to a public intellectual exercise.  As flawed as that system can be, it is still better than a forceful mob catharsis....aka tribal

Yes I agree.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 09, 2021, 02:30:28 pm
It might take some rubber bullets and teargas to make it work too, when the crackpots get together in “protests” at the hospitals again.

There is another one planned for VGH now.  They should be going to Victoria to protest Parliament, but they show their true sociopath colours protesting hospitals. 

We really need to stop coddling these a-holes.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 09, 2021, 02:36:01 pm
Legault pretty much endorsed the CPC today.  Well, he said they'll be the least bad for Quebec so not entirely a ringing endorsement but an endorsement nonetheless.

You'd think toddler-mentality Albertans would be put off by that, but of course not.  Tribalism at work (just for you, Gorgeous).  ;)

ETA - yes, yes I know 'regional' is a better word, but I like subtle trolling here and there.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 10, 2021, 05:42:50 am
John Doyle in the Globe and mail rightfully condemned the format for the debate last night as ridiculous.

I thought Trudeau looked a little stiff, but other than that I didn't see any big winter losers in the first hour which is all I watched.

As an aside, our elections are now Head and shoulders above American elections in terms of quality of discussion.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on September 10, 2021, 10:04:06 am
As an aside, our elections are now Head and shoulders above American elections in terms of quality of discussion.
I suppose. The Americans at least act like they know they've really got nothing to say to one another anymore.

I watched the first 15 minutes and switched to Netflix and fell asleep.

So now what, everyone just snipes at one another until the guvmint is elected again?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 10, 2021, 10:22:10 am
I suppose. The Americans at least act like they know they've really got nothing to say to one another anymore.

I watched the first 15 minutes and switched to Netflix and fell asleep.

So now what, everyone just snipes at one another until the guvmint is elected again?

Everyone meaning the folk or the leaders ?

The format was bad but the facts were the meat of the conversation.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on September 10, 2021, 12:16:04 pm
John Doyle in the Globe and mail rightfully condemned the format for the debate last night as ridiculous.

I thought Trudeau looked a little stiff, but other than that I didn't see any big winter losers in the first hour which is all I watched.

As an aside, our elections are now Head and shoulders above American elections in terms of quality of discussion.

John Doyle's point was there was no quality discussion.
Personally, I got bored with all the time spent on climate change, which we can do nothing about, and reconciliation, which we will do nothing about and turned it off.

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on September 10, 2021, 12:37:57 pm
Everyone meaning the folk or the leaders ?
Both I guess. The debate also requires listeners and seeing so many of us tuned it out we probably not as far ahead of the Americans as you  suggest. We're all up to our necks in the same malaise of empty promises, un-achieved achievements and dwindling expectations.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 10, 2021, 01:31:07 pm
There was so much good sports on last night.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 10, 2021, 01:51:04 pm
Both I guess. The debate also requires listeners and seeing so many of us tuned it out we probably not as far ahead of the Americans as you  suggest. We're all up to our necks in the same malaise of empty promises, un-achieved achievements and dwindling expectations.

Sometimes, though, I get the feeling that by just being civil we are holding the fort for a younger generation to actually step over these false obstacles and start doing things.  Certainly the system we built for them isn't serving them particularly well anyway.

As for Boges: I can't believe I missed the start of the NFL season.  Also - GO TENNIS
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 10, 2021, 06:38:51 pm
I've been disgusted with the Bloc leader in these debates.  He clearly states many times that he doesn't care about Canada's interests, only so much as they affect Quebec.  He also refers to Quebec and Canada as if they are separate and distinct entities, as if Quebec does not exist within Canada.

At least Gilles Duceppes seemed like a decent guy.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 11, 2021, 02:01:54 pm
So Trudeau is bouncing back?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 11, 2021, 04:58:00 pm
So Trudeau is bouncing back?

I haven't seen that yet in the polls.  But the People's Party has gained a few points since last month at the expense of the CPC.  I guess some didn't like O'Toole going to the center.  PPC is actually polling higher than the Greens.

https://338canada.com/polls.htm

Edit:  actually according to the EKOS polls, the Liberals may have gained a point, maybe 2 over the last couple of weeks while CPC has lost a few points, looks like those points went to the PPC.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 11, 2021, 08:47:49 pm
Greens are a ridiculous party. How can we split the left of conservative vote even more?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 12, 2021, 07:09:53 am
Greens aren't supposed to be right or left, and I recall various NDP types saying that they were comprised of Conservatives in Ontario.

I take it that their taxation policy was behind this view - something about taxing on consumption...
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: kimmy on September 13, 2021, 08:06:00 pm
Legault pretty much endorsed the CPC today.  Well, he said they'll be the least bad for Quebec so not entirely a ringing endorsement but an endorsement nonetheless.

You'd think toddler-mentality Albertans would be put off by that, but of course not.  Tribalism at work (just for you, Gorgeous).  ;)

ETA - yes, yes I know 'regional' is a better word, but I like subtle trolling here and there.

Albertans and Quebecois have long shared an interest in less federal influence and more provincial autonomy. Wasn't that the team-up that gave Mulroney's party such a massive majority in the 1980s?

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: kimmy on September 13, 2021, 08:28:05 pm
The Liberals have been in power for 6 years, and yet they only discovered that there's a housing crisis last month.

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 14, 2021, 02:39:51 pm
The Liberals have been in power for 6 years, and yet they only discovered that there's a housing crisis last month.

 -k

And next month they will have forgotten all about it again.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 12:46:14 am
in spite of the concentrated efforts of conMedia, the overt bias shown by the Angus Reid proConservative English debate moderator intended to upset the Quebec election results, the outright lying and megaGaslighting of NDP/Jughead, CPC/O'Foole's fake/false "moderate" positioning, etc., etc., etc.. - a WIN is a WIN is a WIN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZSe6N_BXs

waldo projection: 160 seats is in the bag!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 21, 2021, 06:24:01 am
Welcome back WALDO.

Congratulations and good job!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 10:42:55 am
MIA's Doug Ford & Jason Kenney... it's safe now! Come out, come out - wherever you are!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 10:46:36 am
just as weakAndy tried, O'Toole (aka loserMan) wants to play on the popular vote figures to attempt to keep his job! Taking solace in the popular vote is for losers!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 11:01:14 am
and, of course, losers playing up the popular vote numbers are starting to whine about electoral reform. As he was asked about electoral reform near the end of the campaign, PRIME MINISTER Trudeau noted, "it was the first time in 36 days that anyone has asked me about about electoral reform." While also unequivocally stating his consistent position on the matter:

Quote from: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
I remain open to getting rid of Canada's first-past-the-post electoral system if the Liberal party is re-elected, provided there's consensus on the issue. This is something that we approached years ago. There was no consensus. If ever there is more of a consensus, it could be interesting to follow up on, and I'd be open to that, 'cause I've never flinched in my desire for ranked ballots.

I would not favour proportional representation as an alternative, because it gives more weight to smaller parties that are perhaps fringe parties; rather, a ranked ballot would be my preference because it contributes to less divisive elections.

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 11:05:09 am
whaaa! "Liberal media, liberal media, liberal media"!

(https://i.imgur.com/PbX3cAa.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 11:37:39 am
whaaa! "Liberal media, liberal media, liberal media"!

3 posts earlier….

“Waaaa Con media”
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 21, 2021, 11:43:44 am
Spiking the Football is fresh.

The results are essentially the same as 2 years ago.

This was the critique of this election. JT is no further along than he was before. Except he's diminished amongst Canadians because it's clear he put us all through this for his selfish political gains.

He's lucky the COVID situation in Alberta is so bad and O'Toole has the foolish political instincts to put his COVID reputation with Jason Kenney.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 11:51:55 am
Spiking the Football is fresh.

The results are essentially the same as 2 years ago.

This was the critique of this election. JT is no further along than he was before. Except he's diminished amongst Canadians because it's clear he put us all through this for his selfish political gains.

He's lucky the COVID situation in Alberta is so bad and O'Toole has the foolish political instincts to put his COVID reputation with Jason Kenney.

Yeah…. I’m not sure there’s a lot to brag about with this win… lol

Waldo, what did this election solve that couldn’t wait 2 years?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 12:15:49 pm
The results are essentially the same as 2 years ago.

This was the critique of this election. JT is no further along than he was before.
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Waldo, what did this election solve that couldn’t wait 2 years?

ya ya Boges - no - some further along with a refreshed direction and authorization... or have you conveniently ignored that the fantastical Liberal pandemic response wasn't voter mandated? By the by, PM Trudeau controlled the timing - not the opposition ala a non-confidence motion.

wait now squiggy, are you so naive and sheltered as to not have recognized the purposeful lead-up 5 months before the election call where the CPC purposely filibustered/blocked most anything from happening... is that your kind of preferred government, hey!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 12:19:51 pm

wait now squiggyMr. Perfect, are you so naive and sheltered as to not have recognized the purposeful lead-up 5 months before the election call where the CPC purposely filibustered/blocked most anything from happening... is that your kind of preferred government, hey!

This is a new narrative…. Tell us more…. What did they block?  Be specific.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 12:25:48 pm
This is a new narrative….

apparently only 'new' to you and possibly some of the other uninformed - don't make me run a CPC filibustering googly for ya!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 12:28:14 pm
purrrfect! Couldn't believe CTV propped her up as an election night analyst!

(https://i.imgur.com/rhLRRby.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 12:40:56 pm
(https://snworksceo.imgix.net/mcl/8dafa26e-a30b-4f51-96e9-c355618df113.sized-1000x1000.jpg?w=1000)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 12:45:21 pm
media, ad nauseum, touting the 42-year old skateboarding phenom NDP/Singh as such a likeable guy! Well, the lying gasLighter only managed a 17% vote share and as of now has the same seat count as 2019. Here's a screen grab from one of his TikTok video gems playing to the yutes:

(https://i.imgur.com/A4wn7AK.jpg)(https://www.timesunionmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/fellow-kids-social-media-blog.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 12:48:26 pm
apparently only 'new' to you and possibly some of the other uninformed - don't make me run a CPC filibustering googly for ya!

c'mon squiggy... start with Bill C-6 (Conversion therapy)... start there, hey!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 21, 2021, 12:56:23 pm
c'mon squiggy... start with Bill C-6 (Conversion therapy)... start there, hey!

Big word on twitter has been there were 20!  Nobody can explain though what they were. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 01:00:03 pm
Big word on twitter has been there were 20!

oh really! Do tell, do tell the twitter account(s) talking up your "big word"... even one account - sure you can!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 01:01:24 pm
c'mon squiggy... start with Bill C-6 (Conversion therapy)... start there, hey!

So you’re claiming that a bill can’t be passed in parliament without CPC support?  LOL

Sure, they delayed passage of the bill….   And then it was killed by Trudeau calling an election!  LOL
Trudeau did what the CPC couldn’t do….  He killed the conversion therapy bill.

So….    How’d that go for Trudeau….?  Did he eliminate any chance of a CPC filibuster in the future?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 21, 2021, 01:07:38 pm
What’s the issue with the shower tiktok?  He’s not “prime ministerial looking”?

Please, let’s not have a picture contest of who looks less “prime ministerial”….   Trudeau will lose.  LOL
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 21, 2021, 01:07:50 pm
oh really! Do tell, do tell the twitter account(s) talking up your "big word"... even one account - sure you can!

Whaaa??? That's all team Trudeau has been repeating ad naseaum.  If you want more, don't hesitate to ask.

https://twitter.com/downtownrob88/status/1439276582384906249

https://twitter.com/CaptPolitical/status/1439686019415171076

https://twitter.com/Cheekee996/status/1440322980970569729

https://twitter.com/westmm4028/status/1440058676241334279

https://twitter.com/westmm4028/status/1439828152495136773

https://twitter.com/westmm4028/status/1440173204920668164
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Boges on September 21, 2021, 01:39:58 pm
wait now squiggy, are you so naive and sheltered as to not have recognized the purposeful lead-up 5 months before the election call where the CPC purposely filibustered/blocked most anything from happening... is that your kind of preferred government, hey!


And how does yesterday's result change that?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: kimmy on September 21, 2021, 10:05:08 pm
So you’re claiming that a bill can’t be passed in parliament without CPC support?  LOL

Sure, they delayed passage of the bill….   And then it was killed by Trudeau calling an election!  LOL
Trudeau did what the CPC couldn’t do….  He killed the conversion therapy bill.

So….    How’d that go for Trudeau….?  Did he eliminate any chance of a CPC filibuster in the future?

This can't be emphasized enough.  Bill C-6 passed the House without incident. It was in "the chamber of sober second thought" for much-needed consideration (for things like ensuring that sincerely-intentioned doctors and therapists and counselors wouldn't be prosecuted for doing their jobs properly) when Trudeau called the election.

When Liberal cheerleaders say Trudeau had to call an election due to opposition obstruction, what they mean is that Dear Leader didn't like having to explain himself to oversight committees.

 -k
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 11:34:28 pm
Big word on twitter has been there were 20!  Nobody can explain though what they were.
Whaaa??? That's all team Trudeau has been repeating ad naseaum.  If you want more, don't hesitate to ask.

"team Trudeau"??? LOL! I certainly don't recall any Liberal MPs, cabinet ministers or PM Trudeau mentioning non-confidence votes as a driver behind the election call... notwithstanding that 20 number seems a tad high in relation to the requirement that only 'money bills' carry the potential for non-confidence. But really, c'mon, no matter how many there actually were, none reached an actual non-confidence status to bring the government down as either the NDP or BQ (or both) had been repeatedly propping up the government to actually avoid non-confidence. And other than a roll-call vote what "bother" is a non-confidence vote... so why even mention it? Your "team Trudeau" tag to those twitter links is hilarious! But good on ya for trotting them out - apparently you thought you found a real gem! LOL!

but thanks for highlighting this again - I've mentioned it a few times in the past: the CPC/O'Toole were not hesitant in voting non-confidence... the most recent profiled instance, as I recall, was the April budget. You know, where O'Toole was quite ready to, once again, try to bring the government down and force a, wait for it... wait for it... a $600 million dollar pandemic election! The number of times O'Toole nattered on about, "$600 million dollars in a pandemic election" was nauseating - he was like a freakin' squawking parrot, over & over & over again.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 11:39:04 pm
What’s the issue with the shower tiktok?  He’s not “prime ministerial looking”?

no dumbazz - it's highlighting his 42-year old TikTok self trying to be "one of the kids"! It's quite funny to see he wasn't able to turn all those juvenile video views into actual votes... cause, apparently, the yutes don't vote! Who knew Jag, who knew!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 21, 2021, 11:47:19 pm
So….    How’d that go for Trudeau….?  Did he eliminate any chance of a CPC filibuster in the future?

And how does yesterday's result change that?

wait now... you're not aware that the initial play was to attempt to secure a majority, right? Something that was actually a legitimate projection until, among other things, that Conservative biased Angus Reid debate moderator put her thumbs on the scale to mess with the Quebec seat tally. But ya, as for the actual result, of course the likes of pigeonPierre, BuffaloGal and CharlieLingus will surely do their best worst to once again bring a toxic, dysfunctional Parliament forward!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 22, 2021, 12:03:14 am
This can't be emphasized enough.  Bill C-6 passed the House without incident.

"without incident"! Please! You haven't a clue - you, once again, don't know what you're talking about.

It was in "the chamber of sober second thought" for much-needed consideration (for things like ensuring that sincerely-intentioned doctors and therapists and counselors wouldn't be prosecuted for doing their jobs properly) when Trudeau called the election.

no - I'm shocked you also have this wrong - shocked I tells ya! In actuality, the Senate recessed for its 'summer break' leaving the conversion therapy bill hanging... there was talk of a select committee coming back just to ensure bill C-6 passed through the Senate, but apparently, the Conservative Senators were keen to get to their cottages!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 22, 2021, 12:18:05 am
trudat!

(https://i.imgur.com/patkX84.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 22, 2021, 12:24:35 am
(https://i.imgur.com/mLZYxBn.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 22, 2021, 01:59:41 am
notwithstanding that 20 number seems a tad high in relation to the requirement that only 'money bills' carry the potential for non-confidence.

You mean twitterverse was busy spreading misinformation about why Trudeau called an election?  Say it isn't so!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 22, 2021, 02:12:35 am
no dumbazz - it's highlighting his 42-year old TikTok self trying to be "one of the kids"! It's quite funny to see he wasn't able to turn all those juvenile video views into actual votes... cause, apparently, the yutes don't vote! Who knew Jag, who knew!

Singh wasn't my first, second, or even current choice for NDP leader but this is a ridiculous argument against him.  Jack Layton's victory was an anomaly for the NDP.  Mulcair carried it because the Liberals had imploded.

As much as his detractors hate him, Trudeau's base loves him (you should know better than anyone).  Singh's performance in the last couple of elections is in line with NDP's history of when the Liberal party is not in complete meltdown.

All the people criticizing him for his antics are people that have never voted NDP anyway and likely never would. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 22, 2021, 10:37:41 am
"team Trudeau"??? LOL! I certainly don't recall any Liberal MPs, cabinet ministers or PM Trudeau mentioning non-confidence votes as a driver behind the election call... notwithstanding that 20 number seems a tad high in relation to the requirement that only 'money bills' carry the potential for non-confidence. But really, c'mon, no matter how many there actually were, none reached an actual non-confidence status to bring the government down as either the NDP or BQ (or both) had been repeatedly propping up the government to actually avoid non-confidence. And other than a roll-call vote what "bother" is a non-confidence vote... so why even mention it? Your "team Trudeau" tag to those twitter links is hilarious! But good on ya for trotting them out - apparently you thought you found a real gem! LOL!

but thanks for highlighting this again - I've mentioned it a few times in the past: the CPC/O'Toole were not hesitant in voting non-confidence... the most recent profiled instance, as I recall, was the April budget. You know, where O'Toole was quite ready to, once again, try to bring the government down and force a, wait for it... wait for it... a $600 million dollar pandemic election! The number of times O'Toole nattered on about, "$600 million dollars in a pandemic election" was nauseating - he was like a freakin' squawking parrot, over & over & over again.

You mean twitterverse was busy spreading misinformation about why Trudeau called an election?  Say it isn't so!

say it ain't so - that was you perpetuating said twitterverse... but nice try at a deflection of you spreading bullshyte!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 22, 2021, 11:05:15 am
All the people criticizing him for his antics are people that have never voted NDP anyway and likely never would.

it was mind-numbing to hear & read NDP/Jag rattle off those lying & misinforming talking points - day after day after day! Particularly as there was no there... there! - notwithstanding the NDP "climate plan" was brutally panned by leading climate scientists and economists. The NDP isn't a serious political party... presuming to pay for its grandiose promises by making Canada's billionaires "pay their fair share"! LOL!

as for critics, I'm sort of partial to this tweet getting a lotta traction... from a current NDP riding president & former federal NDP candidate no less - "We're not a movement. We're an ad campaign." Brrrutal!
(https://i.imgur.com/FiQVrRQ.png)

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 22, 2021, 05:50:08 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/O9S1fkL.png)

with one of that 5% being former CPC leadership candidate and 'controversial' soCon, Leslyn Lewis!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 22, 2021, 06:23:27 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/O9S1fkL.png)

with one of that 5% being former CPC leadership candidate and 'controversial' soCon, Leslyn Lewis!

I counted the crackers in the Liberal Party, and it was 75%.

What number would you find acceptable Walduh?  Does 75% happen to be the ideal number?  LOL
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 22, 2021, 06:26:55 pm
I counted the crackers in the Liberal Party, and it was 75%.

What number would you find acceptable Walduh?  Does 75% happen to be the ideal number?  LOL

why the perpetual snipe, hey! But hey now, thanks for coming out in your acceptance of that CPC 95% Big Tent! LOL!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 22, 2021, 08:41:53 pm
why the perpetual snipe, hey! But hey now, thanks for coming out in your acceptance of that CPC 95% Big Tent! LOL!

What’s your ideal percentage of crackers in a political party?   You forgot to answer.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 22, 2021, 09:37:30 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/O9S1fkL.png)

with one of that 5% being former CPC leadership candidate and 'controversial' soCon, Leslyn Lewis!

They picked up virtually no seats in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver etc.  They tend to pick up seats in rural areas or the prairies.  You know, where white people live.  If you have a problem with rural white people please let us know.  If you have evidence of CPC racial bias in choosing candidates please post it.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 22, 2021, 09:42:03 pm
What’s your ideal percentage of crackers in a political party?   You forgot to answer.

Anything in the world that has more white people or men than the general census population is racist and sexist.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on September 22, 2021, 09:55:19 pm
Anything in the world that has more white people or men than the general census population is racist and sexist.

And the reverse is never a problem.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 23, 2021, 12:24:14 am
guys, guys... clearly I've touched a nerve - but really, the waldo suggests you keep your old-stock, white-privilege powder dry! I thought perhaps that 95% white figure for the next 44th Parliament CPC caucus might just be a one-off anomaly; however, your reactions suggest you're reinforcing a deeper ingrained facet of c/Conservatism. By the by, which of you has snitch line duty tonight?

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 23, 2021, 12:41:07 am
say it ain't so - that was you perpetuating said twitterverse... but nice try at a deflection of you spreading bullshyte!

You asked for just ONE ACCOUNT on twitter saying there were 20 non-confidence votes.  I gave you plenty.  Not sure what you're yammering about here.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 23, 2021, 12:47:16 am
it was mind-numbing to hear & read NDP/Jag rattle off those lying & misinforming talking points - day after day after day! Particularly as there was no there... there! - notwithstanding the NDP "climate plan" was brutally panned by leading climate scientists and economists. The NDP isn't a serious political party... presuming to pay for its grandiose promises by making Canada's billionaires "pay their fair share"! LOL!

as for critics, I'm sort of partial to this tweet getting a lotta traction... from a current NDP riding president & former federal NDP candidate no less - "We're not a movement. We're an ad campaign."

And yet he has the highest net approval rating and Trudeau has the lowest. 

As I said before, you're comparing his performance to what was an anomaly during the 60 years since the party was incepted.  They normally get around 20% of the vote.

A lot more if your guy was one to keep election promises.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 23, 2021, 01:01:00 am
Big word on twitter has been there were 20!  Nobody can explain though what they were.
You asked for just ONE ACCOUNT on twitter saying there were 20 non-confidence votes.  I gave you plenty.  Not sure what you're yammering about here.

oh really! It was your nonsense claiming "Team Trudeau", "big word" & 20! 20 what... cause you sure didn't detail it - it took you being called out before the tweet links mentioned "non-confidence" votes! And then once I peeled back the nonsense you boldly come forward and stated the, "twitterverse was spreading misinformation"! To which I was more than agreeable to highlight it was YOU perpetuating said misinforming twitterverse! LOL!!!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 23, 2021, 01:08:30 am
oh really! It was your nonsense claiming "Team Trudeau", "big word" & 20! 20 what... cause you sure didn't detail it - it took you being called out before the tweet links mentioned "non-confidence" votes! And then once I peeled back the nonsense you boldly come forward and stated the, "twitterverse was spreading misinformation"! To which I was more than agreeable to highlight it was YOU perpetuating said misinforming twitterverse! LOL!!!

If you think 'Team Trudeau' on social only refers to actual people working for the Liberal Party of Canada, I think Gorgeous is spot on about your objective on this forum.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 23, 2021, 01:16:02 am
And yet he has the highest net approval rating and Trudeau has the lowest. 

As I said before, you're comparing his performance to what was an anomaly during the 60 years since the party was incepted.  They normally get around 20% of the vote.

what are you blathering on about? PM Trudeau has consistently led the preferred Prime Minister percentages.

in any case, whatever number you want to tag the lying/misinforming Singh with... it's too bad his kiddieCorp doesn't actually bother to vote - yes? Like I said, this current iteration of the NDP isn't a serious party. What has Singh ever done besides take credit for things the Liberals actually did/do?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 23, 2021, 01:29:41 am
If you think 'Team Trudeau' on social only refers to actual people working for the Liberal Party of Canada, I think Gorgeous is spot on about your objective on this forum.

duh! The backdrop was the prior 5 months of a toxic dysfunctional Parliament... and the purposeful filibustering/blocking of government intended legislation by the OppoForces - so, you know, parties, MPs, Cabinet Ministers, party leaders, the PM - as you say, "actual Parliament people"! You then proceed to drop your nothingness twitter reference to "20 who knows what". Again, when pressed, you finally brought forward that the 20 reference was some dudes alluding to 20 non-confidence motions as being some determiner behind an election call... or at least that was your implication!

"team Trudeau"??? LOL! I certainly don't recall any Liberal MPs, cabinet ministers or PM Trudeau mentioning non-confidence votes as a driver behind the election call... notwithstanding that 20 number seems a tad high in relation to the requirement that only 'money bills' carry the potential for non-confidence. But really, c'mon, no matter how many there actually were, none reached an actual non-confidence status to bring the government down as either the NDP or BQ (or both) had been repeatedly propping up the government to actually avoid non-confidence. And other than a roll-call vote what "bother" is a non-confidence vote... so why even mention it? Your "team Trudeau" tag to those twitter links is hilarious! But good on ya for trotting them out - apparently you thought you found a real gem! LOL!

but thanks for highlighting this again - I've mentioned it a few times in the past: the CPC/O'Toole were not hesitant in voting non-confidence... the most recent profiled instance, as I recall, was the April budget. You know, where O'Toole was quite ready to, once again, try to bring the government down and force a, wait for it... wait for it... a $600 million dollar pandemic election! The number of times O'Toole nattered on about, "$600 million dollars in a pandemic election" was nauseating - he was like a freakin' squawking parrot, over & over & over again.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on September 23, 2021, 12:02:24 pm
After Monday's vote, 95% of the federal Liberal caucus are corrupt self-serving a-holes.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 23, 2021, 01:09:05 pm
After Monday's vote, 95% of the federal Liberal caucus are corrupt self-serving a-holes.

(https://i.imgur.com/uuFlBDk.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 24, 2021, 12:58:32 am
After Monday's vote, 95% of the federal Liberal caucus are corrupt self-serving a-holes.

I think it's gonna get even uglier than the last few years. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 24, 2021, 01:12:52 am
duh! The backdrop was the prior 5 months of a toxic dysfunctional Parliament... and the purposeful filibustering/blocking of government intended legislation by the OppoForces - so, you know, parties, MPs, Cabinet Ministers, party leaders, the PM - as you say, "actual Parliament people"! You then proceed to drop your nothingness twitter reference to "20 who knows what". Again, when pressed, you finally brought forward that the 20 reference was some dudes alluding to 20 non-confidence motions as being some determiner behind an election call... or at least that was your implication!

Do you just string together a bunch of words to aggravate people into leaving you alone or did this all make sense as you were typing?  Are you aware of how sentences work?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 24, 2021, 07:06:09 am
Do you just string together a bunch of words to aggravate people into leaving you alone or did this all make sense as you were typing?  Are you aware of how sentences work?

how pedantic of you! No need to say you're aggravated - you already made that clear by tagging your agreement with that most juvenile Gorgeous summation of the Liberal caucus! LOL! That you actually voted NDP is telling enough - that you haven't the wherewithal to even try to respond to the following is a testament to how naive and gullible you truly are; again:

What has Singh ever done besides take credit for things the Liberals actually did/do?

c'mon, give it a go! The waldo relishes the opportunity to highlight Singh's purposeful lying and misinformation during the campaign... Singh, the guy who ran nothing more than a personal image campaign to the complete detriment of presenting viable and properly funded local riding associations. After 2 elections Singh hasn't moved the NDP needle forward from the disastrous 2015 showing that cost Mulcair his leadership position - and now, after 2 subsequent elections, the NDP is still 11 seats fewer than Mulcair even managed to secure! Again, the perfect summary from a most disgruntled NDP insider - "we're a Jagmeet Singh ad campaign"!
(https://imgur.com/FiQVrRQ.png)

this iteration of the NDP isn't a serious political party. Rather than presenting and running on a viable and properly costed campaign platform, the "progressive" Singh instead chose to, over and over and over again, directly attack PM Trudeau with a plethora of lies and purposeful misinformation - something you won't even attempt to rationalize! Singh ran nothing more than the Scheer 2019 campaign, sans the accompaniment of any semblance of a substantive platform. The NDP that spent $24 million on the 2021 campaign - more than twice its spending on the 2019 campaign... with little gains while further compromising the already precarious financial position of the party!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 24, 2021, 04:51:39 pm
They picked up virtually no seats in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver etc.  They tend to pick up seats in rural areas or the prairies.  You know, where white people live.  If you have a problem with rural white people please let us know.  If you have evidence of CPC racial bias in choosing candidates please post it.

guys, guys... clearly I've touched a nerve - but really, the waldo suggests you keep your old-stock, white-privilege powder dry! I thought perhaps that 95% white figure for the next 44th Parliament CPC caucus might just be a one-off anomaly; however, your reactions suggest you're reinforcing a deeper ingrained facet of c/Conservatism. By the by, which of you has snitch line duty tonight?

the waldo reinforces the astute Gorgeous observation => 2021 election results for Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver... where, apparently, no white people live:

Quote
Liberals - 86 seats / Conservatives - 8 seats / Bloc Quebecois - 15 seats / NDP - 6 seats
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 25, 2021, 01:43:42 am
Elections Canada publishes final 2021 election results for the (next) 44th Parliament:

(https://i.imgur.com/N1ZgBbe.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 25, 2021, 03:44:42 pm
oh snap! Apparently they let their photoshop guy go just before CPC/O'Toole's "concession" speech'!

#O'TooleBeerGut

(https://i.imgur.com/P8L7nKF.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 26, 2021, 12:20:24 am
LOL! Another Jagmeet TikTok gem is getting panned in after-election analysis: (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1441127811763163137/pu/vid/576x1024/2FZHlUz--21H1w6D.mp4?tag=12)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 26, 2021, 04:41:15 pm
Post election, NDP grapples with what went wrong (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-post-2021-federal-election-review-1.6187158)

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The NDP is conducting a review of its national campaign to find out what happened with its ground game, which left the party with limited gains and in fourth place despite throwing $25 million into the pot to burnish its appeal.

Jessa McLean, the riding association president of York–Simcoe NDP in Ontario: McLean said her riding can usually rely on Elections Canada campaign-expense reimbursements — money that commonly flows to candidates and helps electoral district associations or ridings — but New Democrat headquarters kept all the rebates in 2019 and again this year.

The decision to keep Elections Canada campaign rebates was made by the NDP's federal council.

"We do take the rebates to be able to run an effective central campaign," NDP national director Anne McGrath said. "But I do agree that more needs to be done to support local ridings."

Nearly half of the NDP's $25 million campaign budget was dedicated to advertisements, social media and online.

(https://i.imgur.com/FiQVrRQ.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 26, 2021, 05:28:55 pm
oh snap! Apparently they let their photoshop guy go just before CPC/O'Toole's "concession" speech'!

#O'TooleBeerGut

(https://i.imgur.com/P8L7nKF.jpg)

Forget it man, it's Oshawa town.  He's the fittest person in Durham region.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 26, 2021, 05:32:14 pm
Why is Walduh so obsessed with O’Toole’s gut?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 26, 2021, 05:50:32 pm
Because he's an unapologetic hypocritic.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 26, 2021, 06:21:51 pm
Because he's an unapologetic hypocritic.

Waldo or Erin ?

Aldo or wearin' ?

Baldo or Barron ?

Can we let our GOOD FRIEND WALDO off the hook please ?  He did his job and Justin won.  Worse things could have happened. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 26, 2021, 06:38:20 pm
Waldo or Erin ?

Aldo or wearin' ?

Baldo or Barron ?

Can we let our GOOD FRIEND WALDO off the hook please ?  He did his job and Justin won.  Worse things could have happened.

It was a nice break here on the forum.  We should have elections more often.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 26, 2021, 07:37:08 pm
Waldo or Erin ?

Aldo or wearin' ?

Baldo or Barron ?

Can we let our GOOD FRIEND WALDO off the hook please ?  He did his job and Justin won.  Worse things could have happened.


Why should we?  He'd be crying for days if anyone made fun of the looks of a member of the Liberal Party.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 26, 2021, 08:02:24 pm
Because he's an unapologetic hypocritic.
Why should we?  He'd be crying for days if anyone made fun of the looks of a member of the Liberal Party.

how telling! You have time to chirp but... somehow... no time to respond to the following, now asked of you at least 3 times - is there a problem, for you? LOL!

What has Singh ever done besides take credit for things the Liberals actually did/do?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 26, 2021, 10:07:49 pm
You know what they say about arguing with a fool right?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on September 26, 2021, 10:14:11 pm
Waldo or Erin ?

Aldo or wearin' ?

Baldo or Barron ?

Can we let our GOOD FRIEND WALDO off the hook please ?  He did his job and Justin won.  Worse things could have happened. 
Yup, Waldo could have won.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 26, 2021, 10:22:25 pm
That crease up O'Toole's thigh is disturbing.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 27, 2021, 02:43:11 am
how telling! You have time to chirp but... somehow... no time to respond to the following, now asked of you at least 3 times - is there a problem, for you? LOL!

What has Singh ever done besides take credit for things the Liberals actually did/do?

You know what they say about arguing with a fool right?

you've got no game - you can't validate the vacuous lies and/or misinforming claims & statements that the conMan Singh made during the campaign... so you chirp! Again, this iteration of the NDP isn't a serious political party. As the NDP insider highlighted, "the ND party isn't a movement, it's a Jagmeet Singh ad campaign"!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 27, 2021, 01:02:01 pm
Waldo has found his new obsession.  Squiggy is off the hook.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Dia on September 27, 2021, 01:19:50 pm
Sacrificing yourself for the greater good?  :)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 27, 2021, 02:20:31 pm
Obviously I can't rationalize the lies and misinformation NDP/Singh stated during the campaign. Shyteposting the waldo will provide me cover; if the waldo dares to respond to my chirping him I'll play my victim card - it is, after all, the NDP way!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 27, 2021, 11:20:47 pm
Oh I'm sorry.  Were you expecting me to get all twisted up and start defending Singh as though I worship him?

What kind of a pathetic person does that?  Oh wait...
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 27, 2021, 11:35:50 pm
@Squidward von Squidderson I saw the flyer!  Annamie Paul a few weeks ago and I saw it today after the news broke that she's stepping down. 

Honestly, I don't see what all the hype is about, I was expecting so much worse.

https://twitter.com/AnnamiePaul/status/1437857349776064517/photo/1
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 27, 2021, 11:45:17 pm
What has Singh ever done besides take credit for things the Liberals actually did/do?

Were you expecting me to get all twisted up and start defending Singh as though I worship him?

you voted for the guy's party - you have at least 20 recent posts that speak favourably of NDP/Singh and the party. You won't... you can't address the lame-azzed NDP election policy platform. Repeatedly asking you to validate the many lies and misinformation spewed by Singh during the campaign has you so flummoxed as to frantically attempt to deflect and distract from the multiple challenge requests presented to you! I've lowered any, as you say, expectations of you - clearly you haven't the intellectual capacity to articulate why you support Singh and the NDParty.

(https://i.imgur.com/50gzUgz.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 27, 2021, 11:55:02 pm
What are you on about, I don't vote NDP because of Jagmeet.  He wasn't my first, second or third choice as party leader, dig up the thread on the NDP leadership campaign and you'll see.  I was a card carrying member of the Liberal Party until 2011.  I could vote Green and maybe even Conservative if they continue on their path to the centre.

I voted for NDP because there was no Green candidate, the Liberal Party can kiss my butt and the conservative candidate is an evangelical wingnut.

I think you have a difficult time grasping this because YOU whitewash everything about the LPC.  I just choose the most palatable of the bunch and the last few elections that was NDP.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if the NDP decided to turf Singh tomorrow. 

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on September 28, 2021, 12:04:20 am
Waldo doesn’t understand how someone couldn’t worship their party leader!  There is nothing he wouldn’t do for his glorious leader Justin.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 28, 2021, 12:21:03 am
Waldo doesn’t understand how someone couldn’t worship their party leader!  There is nothing he wouldn’t do for his glorious leader Justin.

What was he like on the old board, I don't remember.  Was he like this with Ignatieff and Dion too? 

I picture him at his computer with a shrine of Trudeau posters all around.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 28, 2021, 12:21:18 am
...the Liberal Party can kiss my butt... I just choose the most palatable of the bunch and the last few elections that was NDP.

says you who stated Singh was/is the most popular leader. Given you've repeatedly expressed your hate-on for PM Trudeau, your 'Liberal party can kiss my butt' comment isn't surprising at all. But hey now: if you're going to chirp the waldo while repeatedly talking up Singh and the NDP in posted comments, you might expect to be challenged to support party policy... to support election platform policy. More pointedly be challenged to validate the lies and misinformation Singh repeatedly stated during the campaign. In the face of your multiple posts supporting Singh & the NDP you can't now revert to claiming to be just another "low information voter" who doesn't vote by party policy... instead choosing the most, as you say, "palatable" candidate. That's so sad & pathetic!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 28, 2021, 12:29:23 am
says you who stated Singh was/is the most popular leader. Given you've repeatedly expressed your hate-on for PM Trudeau, your 'Liberal party can kiss my butt' comment isn't surprising at all. But hey now: if you're going to chirp the waldo while repeatedly talking up Singh and the NDP in posted comments, you might expect to be challenged to support party policy... to support election platform policy. More pointedly be challenged to validate the lies and misinformation Singh repeatedly stated during the campaign. In the face of your multiple posts supporting Singh & the NDP you can't now revert to claiming to be just another "low information voter" who doesn't vote by party policy... instead choosing the most, as you say, "palatable" candidate. That's so sad & pathetic!

I said he had the highest 'net approval'.  Do you know what that means?



Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 28, 2021, 12:31:02 am
Waldo doesn’t understand how someone couldn’t worship their party leader!  There is nothing he wouldn’t do for his glorious leader Justin.

member squiggy, I care so little for your posts that I didn't pick up on who you even voted for this go-round - do tell, do tell! Please tell me you once again voted Green! LOL!

But I do recall your support/vote for the Green Party in 2019... mostly cause the waldo repeatedly showcased just how weak the Green "Mission Possible Improbable" climate action plan was... and just how lame-azzed your support for that policy plan was.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on September 28, 2021, 12:39:20 am
Trudeau could shoot someone on Yonge Street and Waldo would still vote for him.

#CultOfTrudeau
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 28, 2021, 01:06:11 am
I picture him at his computer with a shrine of Trudeau posters all around.
Trudeau could shoot someone on Yonge Street and Waldo would still vote for him. #CultOfTrudeau

for all the haters, like you, and in spite of ConMedia attempts to influence the election outcome towards the CPC, PM Trudeau has now defeated 3 Conservative leaders in 3 successive elections - Harper, Scheer and O'Toole! As evidenced by your above comments, PM Trudeau causes you and your ilk great anguish and distress!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: segnosaur on September 28, 2021, 10:48:49 am
for all the haters, like you, and in spite of ConMedia attempts...
Ummm... "ConMedia"?

In my opinion, Canada doesn't really have a "conservative media bias".

Yes, we do have some sources that lean to the political right (the Sun newspaper chain). But we also have sources that lean to the left (for example, the Toronto Star. And according to MediaBiasFactCheck, the CBC also has a 'left wing' bias.) And CTV News is actually rated 'Least Biased'.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

Taken as a whole, our media is pretty darn centrist.

Quote
to influence the election outcome towards the CPC, PM Trudeau has now defeated 3 Conservative leaders in 3 successive elections - Harper, Scheer and O'Toole!
Yes he did. I am actually not that surprised. Prime Ministers usually last ~8-10 years before they get replaced.  Plus, Trudeau has a built-in advantage... he's from Quebec, and Quebecers tend to favor their own in federal elections.

Heck, if anything, I am surprised Trudeau was reduced from a Majority to a minority in the 2019 election.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 28, 2021, 11:25:23 am
a common point in many post-election analysis of the NDP's... shortcomings: that leader Singh never acknowledged the NDP had no change in winning; something that would have added credence to the theme that the NDP would be there to keep tabs on and work to pressure the winning government (either Liberal or CPC). Instead Singh repeatedly stated he was running to become Prime Minister - a most fanciful fantasy trip indeed; one that was laughable to any plugged in politico and emphasized even more so that this iteration of the NDP isn't a serious party!

speaking of NDP flights of fancy:

(https://i.imgur.com/PTLAUp8.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 28, 2021, 11:34:26 am
In my opinion, Canada doesn't really have a "conservative media bias".

Yes, we do have some sources that lean to the political right (the Sun newspaper chain).

(https://i.imgur.com/PbX3cAa.jpeg)

see the 'U.S. hedge fund' takeover of Postmedia... Postmedia’s plan to shape their newspapers’ coverage (https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/08/27/opinion/postmedias-employees-should-stand-their-right-wing-bosses)

Quote
...in October 2018, Postmedia’s then-president and now CEO, Andrew MacLeod, called a meeting and told National Post editors the publication was “insufficiently conservative.”
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on September 28, 2021, 11:52:16 am
for all the haters, like you, and in spite of ConMedia attempts to influence the election outcome towards the CPC, PM Trudeau has now defeated 3 Conservative leaders in 3 successive elections - Harper, Scheer and O'Toole! As evidenced by your above comments, PM Trudeau causes you and your ilk great anguish and distress!

What happens when the money runs out? He's been buying elections with tens of billions in gifts to everyone he thinks might vote Liberal. Inflation is starting to pick up, the debt is skyrocketing. And aside from you no one seems to like him very much.

How are you guys going to buy elections when the money runs out, Wally?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on September 28, 2021, 11:55:31 am
(https://i.imgur.com/PbX3cAa.jpeg)

see the 'U.S. hedge fund' takeover of Postmedia... Postmedia’s plan to shape their newspapers’ coverage (https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/08/27/opinion/postmedias-employees-should-stand-their-right-wing-bosses)

Didn't happen. Aside from a few conservative minded columnists those newspapers remain quite centrist. And even the conservative columnists aren't all that conservative. There are no shrill voices like you see from some of the American conservative media figures. The only shrill voices come from places like the Toronto Star and CBC.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Bubbermiley on September 28, 2021, 05:36:26 pm
Rex Murphy and Conrad Black seem pretty shrill to me.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on September 28, 2021, 06:42:51 pm
Rex Murphy and Conrad Black seem pretty shrill to me.

Murphy is a curmudgeon, not shrill. I can't figure out what Black is. I like his diction. Sometimes he writes something I think is brilliant and inciteful, usually when he decides to agree with me. Other times I think he's gone senile or was driven most of the way crazy in prison. Most of his stuff is too lofty to be called shrill. He's an unapologetic old school upper class conservative, something you don't see much of in North America.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: segnosaur on September 29, 2021, 09:39:29 am
Quote
In my opinion, Canada doesn't really have a "conservative media bias".

Yes, we do have some sources that lean to the political right (the Sun newspaper chain).
(Big pointless image deleted)

see the 'U.S. hedge fund' takeover of Postmedia... Postmedia’s plan to shape their newspapers’ coverage (https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/08/27/opinion/postmedias-employees-should-stand-their-right-wing-bosses)
What exactly is your point?

I never denied that there were sources in Canada that leaned to the political right. In fact I even proactively stated as much.

What I said was that while there were right wing sources, they are balanced by sources that exist on the political left.

Yes, the various newpapers in the Sun newspaper chain lean to the political right. Guilty of charged. I even said as much before you posted your little graphic. Heck, I can even point out some right wing sources that your cheezy little graphic didn't include.

But for all those right-wing sources, you have left-wing sources:
- The TORSTAR-related papers (including the Toronto Star, one of the biggest daily newspapers in Canada, as well as smaller papers in places like Hamilton, Brampton, etc.)
- Other newspapers such as the Lethbridge Herald or Barrie Today
- Weekly or monthly sources like Maclean's magazine or La Presse
- The CBC, which is available in virtually every single household in canada
- Other TV/Broadcast/Web services, such as Global News, News 1130, APTN news, or iPolitics

Now, when I look at that list, do I say "Oh no! Canada's media is filled with left-wing commie sources in the same vein as Pravda!" No, I don't. I look at it as a balance... Those left wing sources balance out right wing sources.

Plus, as I mentioned, before, there are also sources that are generally unbiased... CTV News, Le Devoir, CP24.

(Analysis is from mediabiasfactcheck.com)

ETA: I find it a little ironic, in your little claim about how "right wing" our media is, you link to an article in the National Observer, a web site that leans to the political left.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on September 29, 2021, 12:07:03 pm
I will accept that the CBC *may* be left-wing if you accept that they have barely any editorial content - and that content is itself balanced.  I can only recall Rex Murphy and Neil MacDonald opining there.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 29, 2021, 12:32:03 pm
(Big pointless image deleted)

What exactly is your point?

I never denied that there were sources in Canada that leaned to the political right. In fact I even proactively stated as much.

What I said was that while there were right wing sources, they are balanced by sources that exist on the political left.

Yes, the various newspapers in the Sun newspaper chain lean to the political right. Guilty of charged. I even said as much before you posted your little graphic. Heck, I can even point out some right wing sources that your cheezy little graphic didn't include.

my point? That you, apparently, don't realize there no longer is a, as you say, 'Sun newspaper chain'! Hence the graphic that you're so futzed about... the graphic that represents Postmedia's reach and endorsement of Conservative CPC/O'Toole. Try a googly for the 2015 purchase of Sun media by Postmedia... you're welcome! Postmedia, the largest print and digital media presence in Canada!

the balance you claim doesn't exist. Targeting the CBC is a dated lazy tactic; again, try a googly on the 2008/2015 act by Harper to appoint 9 (of 11) CBC board members... who all donated to the CPC; who all were Conservative loyalists. Today's CBC is, as the saying goes, "not your grandfather's CBC"! Today's CBC is more vested in "both siding stories", and failing in doing so; rather than presenting open & transparent fact based journalism. Your suggestion that MacLeans is "left wing" is laughable... certainly not the way they've, of late, gone after the Liberal party and PM Trudeau! To suggest CTV news is left-wing is also false - evidence Evan Solomon and the biased panels he regularly trots out! I have much more but... I'll give you time to regroup and try again!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 29, 2021, 12:40:53 pm
And aside from you no one seems to like him very much.

whaaa! No one likes the guy who has led his party to 3 consecutive election wins!

How are you guys going to buy elections when the money runs out, Wally?

#printMoMoney - oh wait, the waldo recently showcased that the BoC doesn't print money... it's all about balance sheet tallies, hey! In any case, care to present a summary accounting of each parties costed election promises? I realize it might be a tad harder for you given the CPC only released costing with 2 weeks left in the campaign... and even then didn't cost out several key (and guaranteed costly) promises. But try your best - try to support this your latest piece of unsubstantiated nothingness!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 29, 2021, 01:04:38 pm
Didn't happen. Aside from a few conservative minded columnists those newspapers remain quite centrist. And even the conservative columnists aren't all that conservative. There are no shrill voices like you see from some of the American conservative media figures. The only shrill voices come from places like the Toronto Star and CBC.

shrill is your measure? LOL! Care to name your claimed TorStar & CBC 'shrill voices'... name the names, hey!

try these on for conservative leaning: LilleyPad (aka Brian Lilley), Lorne Gunter, Lorrie Goldstein, Warren Kinsella (yes, that's right - he has gone to dark side... long ago!!!), Andrew Coyne, Chris Selley, Colby Cosh, Barbara Kay, Diane Francis (big time waste of Financial Times space), of course Rex Murphy, Don Baird, Ezrant (aka Ezra Levant, shrillManExtraordinaire), Keean Bexte (miniShrillMan), Don Martin, Robert Fife (kingAzzhole), John Ibbitson, John Ivison (another megaAzzole), David Akin, Craig Oliver, Evan Solomon, Mercedes Stephenson... and, typically, anyone writing for, 'The Post Millennial', the latest rage-baiter for the right-wing, etc., etc., etc..
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on September 29, 2021, 03:49:12 pm
I will accept that the CBC *may* be left-wing if you accept that they have barely any editorial content - and that content is itself balanced.  I can only recall Rex Murphy and Neil MacDonald opining there.

Their 'editorial content' is in their selective story coverage, how they tell those stories, and in how they treat different political views and parties. Witness Rosemary Barton's hardball interviews with Jagmeet Singh and Erin O'toole and then her fawning, softball questions to Justin Trudeau.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on September 29, 2021, 03:52:19 pm
In any case, care to present a summary accounting of each parties costed election promises? I realize it might be a tad harder for you given the CPC only released costing with 2 weeks left in the campaign... and even then didn't cost out several key (and guaranteed costly) promises. But try your best - try to support this your latest piece of unsubstantiated nothingness!

Why? Your party doesn't do half the stuff it says it will do and doesn't tell us about half the stuff it intends to do. They're not exactly an open and transparent bunch, y'know, Wally.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: eyeball on September 29, 2021, 04:05:51 pm
I will accept that the CBC *may* be left-wing if you accept that they have barely any editorial content

I can only recall Rex Murphy and Neil MacDonald opining there.
Rex Murphy....isn't that some kind of ancient dinosaur?

Seriously though, he's gone off the rails the last few years. I used to agree with a good amount of the stuff he opined with.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 29, 2021, 04:09:24 pm
Why? Your party doesn't do half the stuff it says it will do and doesn't tell us about half the stuff it intends to do. They're not exactly an open and transparent bunch, y'know, Wally.

but hey now, governments do 'get stuff done', whether one likes said stuff or not - here's a dose of that reality courtesy of ongoing election platform analysis undertaken by Universite Laval’s Centre for Public Policy Analysis; the 2 most recent majority government's in greater position to act upon policy intent statements:

=> 41st Parliament of Conservative Stephen Harper - 2011 to 2015: The Harper government completely met 77% of its election pledges, delivered in part on 7% and broke 16%.

=> 42nd Parliament of Liberal Justin Trudeau - 2015 to 2019: The Trudeau government entirely fulfilled 53.5% of its election pledges, delivered in part on 38.5% and broke 8%.

note: these figures on their own do not support direct comparison; for example, the Liberal 42nd Parliament included almost 5 times as many policy intent pledges than the Conservative 41st Parliament. More pointedly, the analysis states a significant number of the Liberal pledges were transformative (restructuring a system itself rather than reforming some relationship within the existing structure) versus the majority of Conservative pledges were transactional (working within an existing set of institutional & structural arrangements).
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on September 30, 2021, 10:38:11 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/kIuPijZ.png)

#shallowBenchStrength
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 04, 2021, 01:21:16 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/LNfxJ0u.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 06, 2021, 06:06:22 pm
geezaz, O'Toole actually claims he/CPC lost because the pandemic prevented CPC supporters from voting... unfortunately passiveMedia didn't think on its feet to ask O'Toole why the pandemic, apparently, didn't impact upon the ability of other parties to GOTV!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 07, 2021, 03:31:39 pm
photo at the just ended CPC 2-day caucus meeting that focused on election results and the plight of leader O'Toole going forward!

yowzers waldo, talk about 'white is right & white-privilege'! LOL!

(https://i.imgur.com/tepOaYP.jpg)

? O'Toole is either licking his wounds or else taking the photo! /snarc

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on October 08, 2021, 05:53:21 pm
photo at the just ended CPC 2-day caucus meeting that focused on election results and the plight of leader O'Toole going forward!

yowzers waldo, talk about 'white is right & white-privilege'! LOL!

(https://i.imgur.com/tepOaYP.jpg)

? O'Toole is either licking his wounds or else taking the photo! /snarc

Oh how you Liberals hate 'old stock' Canadians. Got to get more immigrants into the cabinet! Even the ones who think the Taliban are our brothers!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 08, 2021, 11:37:44 pm
Oh how you Liberals hate 'old stock' Canadians. Got to get more immigrants into the cabinet! Even the ones who think the Taliban are our brothers!

your brother waldo does not expect you to thank him for taking the time to correct your misunderstandings!

=> firstly, former PM Harper explained his use of the label 'old stock Canadian':
Quote from: former Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper
The term refers to Canadians who have been the descendants of immigrants for one or more generations.
... the waldo pointing out the CPC caucus is overwhelmingly Caucasian doesn't directly correlate to 2nd+ generational immigration.

=> secondly, as a cultural aspect, Iranian ethnic Pashtun's in Afghanistan refer to their brothers and sisters in Islam.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on October 09, 2021, 05:02:24 pm

=> firstly, former PM Harper explained his use of the label 'old stock Canadian': ... the waldo pointing out the CPC caucus is overwhelmingly Caucasian doesn't directly correlate to 2nd+ generational immigration.

And 2+ generation Canadians are overwhelmingly white. Wall-E.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 10, 2021, 12:51:38 am
And 2+ generation Canadians are overwhelmingly white.

duh! You're the one making an association between 'old stock' and immigration... re-read you post, hey! And buddy, the caucus isn't cabinet! Try again, try harder!

Oh how you Liberals hate 'old stock' Canadians. Got to get more immigrants into the cabinet!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 15, 2021, 12:03:14 am
drips & drabs keep filtering out of the 'unofficial' postmortem review around the O'Toole/CPC loser election results... as in how the CPC is becoming the party of rural Canadians given its failure to break through in Canada's largest cities. And then there's how the O'Toole/CPC 'stance and messaging on China' is viewed as the cause behind losing 3 seats that are heavily populated with Chinese-Canadians; the 3 seats in BC's Steveston-Richmond East, BC's Richmond Centre and the Ontario seat in Markham-Unionville... 2 of those 3 seats saw incumbent Chinese-Canadian CPC MPs lose.

Chinese-Canadian Tories urge O'Toole to resign, saying tough-on-China platform alienated voters (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/chinese-canadian-tories-urge-otoole-to-resign-saying-tough-on-china-platform-alienated-voters) --- 'Why don’t we leave the destiny of China to the Chinese people who live inside?... Any time you’re interfering, what happens? You just raise the nationalism'

c'mon waldo, it's surely only coincidental this guy looks Chinese & has a Chinese name! LOL! Conservative Party's national council suspends member {Bert Chen} after bid to recall O'Toole as leader (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-bert-chen-1.6210552?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: MH on October 15, 2021, 08:15:05 am
I don't think implying racism is a great way to go on this.  Lots of Chinese-Canadians (yes Mr. Perfect I DO appear to use that term after all) have an issue with China also.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 01:01:36 pm
Chinese-Canadian Tories urge O'Toole to resign, saying tough-on-China platform alienated voters (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/chinese-canadian-tories-urge-otoole-to-resign-saying-tough-on-china-platform-alienated-voters) --- 'Why don’t we leave the destiny of China to the Chinese people who live inside?... Any time you’re interfering, what happens? You just raise the nationalism'

c'mon waldo, it's surely only coincidental this guy looks Chinese & has a Chinese name! LOL! Conservative Party's national council suspends member {Bert Chen} after bid to recall O'Toole as leader (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-bert-chen-1.6210552?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar)

If these Chinese-Canadian Tories care more about appeasing China-loyal constituents rather than the national interests of Canada they should be expelled from the party.  Canada has no room for traitors, either members of the public and especially our politicians.

The Liberals are where they are because they appease foreign interests for votes.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 01:02:28 pm
I don't think implying racism is a great way to go on this.  Lots of Chinese-Canadians (yes Mr. Perfect I DO appear to use that term after all) have an issue with China also.

To imply racism for O'Toole being tough on the CCP is absolutely disgusting. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 01:08:39 pm
I would enact a law where only Canadian-born citizens can run for federal office in the name of national security.  Sorry for those offended, I care more about our national security than people's feelings.

The US has this clause for POTUS and Vice POTUS.  Seems a good idea.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 01:11:12 pm
I would enact a law where only Canadian-born citizens can run for federal office in the name of national security.  Sorry for those offended, I care more about our national security than people's feelings.

The US has this clause for POTUS and Vice POTUS.  Seems a good idea.

Is there any evidence that this would help national security?

I guess we wouldn’t have had much of a parliament for the first 30 years or so if this had been the rule from the start.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 01:11:43 pm
I would love to know how much foreign interference was involved in our election by China.

"Former MP Kenny Chiu, defeated by 3,000 votes in Steveston-Richmond East, said Chinese-language news and social media were full of disinformation about the party’s position on China and his own private member’s bill to set up a registry for foreign agents. He suspects an organized campaign to distort the party’s message, while state-run media in China accused O’Toole of having an anti-Chinese agenda.

Chiu said Tuesday he spoke to Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents about his concerns but “by that time it was too late.”


https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/chinese-canadian-tories-urge-otoole-to-resign-saying-tough-on-china-platform-alienated-voters
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 01:15:05 pm
I would love to know how much foreign interference was involved in our election by China.

"Former MP Kenny Chiu, defeated by 3,000 votes in Steveston-Richmond East, said Chinese-language news and social media were full of disinformation about the party’s position on China and his own private member’s bill to set up a registry for foreign agents. He suspects an organized campaign to distort the party’s message, while state-run media in China accused O’Toole of having an anti-Chinese agenda.

Chiu said Tuesday he spoke to Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents about his concerns but “by that time it was too late.”


https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/chinese-canadian-tories-urge-otoole-to-resign-saying-tough-on-china-platform-alienated-voters

Former MP Chiu would have been excluded from ever running for parliament under your proposed anti-immigrant MP rules.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 01:20:43 pm
Is there any evidence that this would help national security?

I guess we wouldn’t have had much of a parliament for the first 30 years or so if this had been the rule from the start.

So you don't think that foreign agents like those escorted from the viral research lab in Winnipeg could run for office?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50541082

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/who-is-mp-gladys-liu/11528352
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 01:21:19 pm
Former MP Chiu would have been excluded from ever running for parliament under your proposed anti-immigrant MP rules.

And?
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 01:59:02 pm
So you don't think that foreign agents like those escorted from the viral research lab in Winnipeg could run for office?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50541082

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/who-is-mp-gladys-liu/11528352

You think you have to be born elsewhere to be a foreign agent?

But I didn’t ask for an example of someone who works against Canada’s interests.

I asked for evidence that MPs not born in Canada are a problem with security.

I don’t care if it feels good to you not to have foreign born people as MPs….  Where is the actual evidence of a problem, not some conspiracies rolling around in your head.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 03:13:29 pm
You think you have to be born elsewhere to be a foreign agent?

But I didn’t ask for an example of someone who works against Canada’s interests.

I asked for evidence that MPs not born in Canada are a problem with security.

I don’t care if it feels good to you not to have foreign born people as MPs….  Where is the actual evidence of a problem, not some conspiracies rolling around in your head.[/quote]

You think the CCP using foreign agents to infiltrate western governments is a conspiracy theory?  LOL don't be naive.   I just posted 2 articles of examples.  We also had Chinese researchers removed from a top security virus lab 2 years ago.  They also sent deadly viruses from Canada's lab to China:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-scientist-sent-deadly-viruses-to-wuhan-lab-months-before-rcmp-asked-to-investigate-1.5609582

Don't believe me, listen to CSIS:  https://globalnews.ca/news/7075248/canada-china-interference-permissive-target/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-csis-warns-chinas-operation-fox-hunt-is-targeting-canadas-chinese/

Or: 

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/activists-experts-and-policy-makers-speak-out-on-chinese-state-influence-in-canada-1.5407770
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 03:21:35 pm
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You think the CCP using foreign agents to infiltrate western governments is a conspiracy theory?

The conspiracy theory is that foreign born MPs are a threat to security.   Show some evidence.  This is the 3rd time I’ve asked.  If you have none, just say so. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 04:17:27 pm
The conspiracy theory is that foreign born MPs are a threat to security.   Show some evidence.  This is the 3rd time I’ve asked.  If you have none, just say so.

I already have, you're free to read or not read whatever you like.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 15, 2021, 04:59:23 pm
waldo projection: 160 seats is in the bag!

earlier today Elections Canada confirmed the judicial recount for Toronto-Davenport... incumbent MP, Liberal Julie Dzerowicz, has been confirmed winner over the 2nd place NDP candidate, giving the Trudeau Liberal Party 160 seats won - notwithstanding the candidate Kevin Vuong who was ousted from caucus and will sit as an independent MP for Spadina-Fort York

(https://i.imgur.com/otvYMJj.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 05:01:02 pm
I already have, you're free to read or not read whatever you like.

This is a bold-faced lie, or you’re too dumb to know what the term evidence means.

You have absolutely not shown evidence that foreign born MPs are a risk to security. 

You’ve made proclamations…. And pointed to things that had nothing to do with any sitting MPs…. 
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 15, 2021, 05:01:52 pm
c'mon waldo, it's surely only coincidental this guy looks Chinese & has a Chinese name! LOL! Conservative Party's national council suspends member {Bert Chen} after bid to recall O'Toole as leader (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-bert-chen-1.6210552?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar)

it gets better! The suspension vote was a 10-7 split... with the vote of leader O'Toole one of those 10 voting to suspend the upstart... geezaz waldo, that's a close vote! LOL!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: The Cynic on October 15, 2021, 06:52:20 pm
Is there any evidence that this would help national security?


Obviously if people are sympathetic to a foreign power hostile to Canada that would be a threat to national security. And who would be more likely to be sympathetic than people born and raised in that foreign nation? We're starting to get information that a lot of Chinese Canadians feel a deep sense of affection and pride in China, and get angry when Canada challenges or insults China. Indo-Canadians got angry at the Chretien government years ago when they put sanctions on India for developing a nuclear bomb with our unknowing help but there weren't enough of them to give him pause back then. The number of Chinese-Canadians is rising steadily as tens of thousands more arrive from China each year. China asserts that all ethnic Chinese everywhere should show loyalty to mother China, and all its media and its Canadian controlled media spout that line.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/csis-warned-this-cabinet-minister-could-be-a-threat-ontario-disagreed/article24974396/
https://biv.com/article/2021/10/bc-minister-not-minister-when-chinese-communist-party-events-ministry
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/chinese-canadian-tories-urge-otoole-to-resign-saying-tough-on-china-platform-alienated-voters
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on October 15, 2021, 09:11:57 pm
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/csis-warned-this-cabinet-minister-could-be-a-threat-ontario-disagreed/article24974396/

Corrupt officials in the McGuinty/Wynne Liberal goverment in Ontario?  Balderdash!
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 10:09:54 pm
Bernier left secret documents with his girlfriend who had ties to bikers. 

No one says security breeches never happen.

Show me evidence that foreign born MPs are more of a risk than those born in Canada.
Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: waldo on October 16, 2021, 03:08:14 pm
new Liberal Cabinet {swearing in ceremony} => October 26 / 44th Parliament begins => November 22 ... giddyUp!

(https://i.imgur.com/Y5FlvAi.png)

Title: Re: 2021 Election Campaign
Post by: BC_cheque on October 16, 2021, 05:34:46 pm
Bernier left secret documents with his girlfriend who had ties to bikers. 

No one says security breeches never happen.

Show me evidence that foreign born MPs are more of a risk than those born in Canada.

It does seem too arbitrary doesn't it?  Someone who came to Canada as an infant and is completely integrated as a Canadian shouldn't have a right to run for office, but someone who strongly identifies with their ethnic roots could potentially run just because they were born in Canada.

I'm not denying it's problematic to have MP's show allegiance to other countries, I just think birthright isn't all that relevant in today's society.  It much more complex that it used to be.