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Title: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: wilber on June 17, 2021, 08:41:39 am
What is it with Trudeau and China? What will it take for him to stand up to that bunch? The Chinese government has no respect for him or Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-biden-trudeau-g7-nato-1.6068596
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: MH on June 17, 2021, 08:48:09 am
It's 'milquetoast' I think...
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: MH on June 17, 2021, 08:53:29 am
I don't think unfollowing the US is a good strategy unless we are negotiating for something from them.

If the 'west' is starting to unite against China, that's a good idea whose time has come but we will be frozen out if we don't step carefully.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: wilber on June 17, 2021, 08:55:54 am
Frozen out of what?
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: waldo on June 17, 2021, 12:23:18 pm
What is it with Trudeau and China? What will it take for him to stand up to that bunch?

good job wilber... right in line with the latest CPC/O'Foole 'China talking point'! It appears this is the only relevant passage within your linked article:

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Reporter Question to PM Trudeau: Is the goal that as long as China is an authoritarian one-party state, that it not become the world's top power?

PM Trudeau Answer: No. The goal of the G7 has always been the success not just of our countries and our economies, but the success of the global economy.

whaaa! Apparently, this is "not standing up to China"! Of course, there's always the official G7 closing summation communique... member wilber was Canada/PM Trudeau not a signatory to that communique; the one that included this related passage, vis-a-vis China & the global economy:

(https://i.imgur.com/LnITiC5.png)
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: wilber on June 17, 2021, 01:07:59 pm
It's weasel words, it commits to nothing. It tells our allies we can't be relied on.
We are China's dream. That's nice, now go away little boy.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: waldo on June 17, 2021, 02:00:39 pm
It's weasel words, it commits to nothing. It tells our allies we can't be relied on. We are China's dream. That's nice, now go away little boy.

WTF! What you call "weasel words" are words agreed to by all G7 leaders - get a grip hey member wilber!

meanwhile that standard Conservative ploy is to claim Canada isn't "standing up to China"... while at the same time continuing to charge the government is abysmally failing to bring home "the 2 Michael's". Typically Conservative!
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: wilber on June 17, 2021, 02:15:21 pm
WTF! What you call "weasel words" are words agreed to by all G7 leaders - get a grip hey member wilber!

meanwhile that standard Conservative ploy is to claim Canada isn't "standing up to China"... while at the same time continuing to charge the government is abysmally failing to bring home "the 2 Michael's". Typically Conservative!

That's just politics, the fate of the Micheals cannot influence the way we approach China.  Canada is not sticking up to China. There has to be a common front regarding China, not just words, or it will just play one country off against the other. Australia stands up to China and is punished. Canada rushes in to take Australia's place and then shakes in its boots so it won't get punished, because it knows no one else will stick up for it. That's the way China works.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: MH on June 17, 2021, 02:39:11 pm
Frozen out of what?

Out of the G7 in some way.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: waldo on June 17, 2021, 02:50:49 pm
whaaa! Member wilber narrative BUSTED! Try again, try harder!

(https://i.imgur.com/aGdr7Zu.png)
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: MH on June 17, 2021, 02:52:05 pm
Interesting.  Where is that sourced from ?
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: waldo on June 17, 2021, 03:08:51 pm
Interesting.  Where is that sourced from ?

like I said, member wilber narrative BUSTED! --- Divisions on China emerge among world leaders in tense G7 meeting (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/biden-g7-summit-updates-06-12-2021-intl/h_bc731d8d7fc5262d194a5aa2edabc278)
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: wilber on June 17, 2021, 06:59:05 pm
Except that’s not what he said in public.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: waldo on June 18, 2021, 12:40:37 am
member wilber - you tried to go a long way with that single Q&A mentioned in your linked article - you failed! One would think you'd have more to say in terms of retracting your nonsensical narrative... particularly after the waldo quoted that relevant/related China passage from the official G7 leaders closing summation communique. That coupled with the linked to CNN article I referenced should certainly ease your claimed disappointment - yes?
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: wilber on June 18, 2021, 08:03:59 am
member wilber - you tried to go a long way with that single Q&A mentioned in your linked article - you failed! One would think you'd have more to say in terms of retracting your nonsensical narrative... particularly after the waldo quoted that relevant/related China passage from the official G7 leaders closing summation communique. That coupled with the linked to CNN article I referenced should certainly ease your claimed disappointment - yes?
Again, that’s not what he said in public.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: waldo on June 18, 2021, 12:32:45 pm
again, your {false} narrative has been busted!

(https://i.imgur.com/aGdr7Zu.png) - (https://i.imgur.com/LnITiC5.png)
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: wilber on June 18, 2021, 12:51:44 pm

All he said was we will just keep talking. And China will keep ignoring.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: waldo on June 18, 2021, 01:45:41 pm
All he said was we will just keep talking. And China will keep ignoring.

citation request - let's see exactly what you used to support this your milquetoast thread...
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 18, 2021, 08:24:32 pm
It's 'milquetoast' I think...

This isn't Paris, frenchy!

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Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 18, 2021, 08:39:57 pm
All he said was we will just keep talking. And China will keep ignoring.

He said let's all get along and make money let's not worry about totalitarianism just economics so everyone can be happy.  Our PM has a giant ****, Thatcher had bigger balls (though i'm no fan of Thatcher)

Trudeau was literally, by definition, kowtowing to them:

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kow·tow
verb

1.
act in an excessively subservient manner.

2. kneel and touch the ground with the forehead in worship or submission as part of Chinese custom.

noun
an act of kowtowing as part of Chinese custom.

But putting my dislike of the man aside and putting on by analytical cap, Trudeau is scared of China, and he has reason to be.  China is far, far more powerful than Canada, we don't have the tools to check their moves.  This anti-CCP alliance has just begun, they're really just at the talking and agreeing point, there's no rules or tools or institutions in place.  Trudeau can't trust that he can depend our allies to back us yet, trust will come in time as we prove to each other we'll back each other.  The last time we helped the US vs China we arrested meng wanzhou and then they arrested the 2 Michael's and we're still screwed on that one.  Where was America?  Michael's are still in jail.

But you also don't build trust by talking like a limp noodle.  Trudeau just signaled "we're scared of China, we're going to keep kissing their butt, you can't trust us yet".  Give this time, I really hope this works.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: wilber on June 18, 2021, 10:27:51 pm
This isn't Paris, frenchy!

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I thought about using milquetoast but for some reason decided against it. Maybe I just woke up cranky.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: waldo on June 19, 2021, 12:07:08 am
All he said was we will just keep talking. And China will keep ignoring.

citation request - let's see exactly what you used to support this your milquetoast thread...

I'm shocked you can't provide the supposed basis for your thread... all you did was drop a go-fetch link (that has little to nothing in it)!

notwithstanding, of course, you continue to ignore that G7 official summary communique and the linked to CNN article that completely and absolutely busted your false narrative; again:

(https://i.imgur.com/aGdr7Zu.png) - (https://i.imgur.com/LnITiC5.png)
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: MH on June 19, 2021, 05:10:06 am
Interesting analysis GG.  I take it as "The US has been screwing us of late, so let's wait-and-see what's in it for us a bit..."

Who knows, though.
Title: Re: Milk Toast Trudeau Disappoints Again
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on June 19, 2021, 04:08:24 pm
I thought about using milquetoast but for some reason decided against it. Maybe I just woke up cranky.

a milk toast by another name smells as puss-puss.  lol