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Beyond Canada => The World => Topic started by: Montgomery on November 17, 2020, 12:24:08 pm


Title: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 17, 2020, 12:24:08 pm
https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2020/11/16/beijing-sends-biden-a-warning/
This time under an umbrella of US protection?

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"President-elect Biden gave me a commitment that Article 5 of the US-Japan security treaty applies to the Senkaku Islands," said a delighted Suga. And what does Article V commit us to?

"Each Party recognizes that an armed attack against either Party in the territories under the administration of Japan would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common danger…"

Message: The US will treat a Chinese attempt to take the Senkakus, tiny rocky outcroppings in the East China Sea, as an attack on the USA, and America will fight China to secure Japan’s right to keep the islands.

For those who think that antiwar.com is still pro-Trump, it's not it's antiwar.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 17, 2020, 02:09:10 pm
https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2020/11/16/beijing-sends-biden-a-warning/
This time under an umbrella of US protection?

For those who think that antiwar.com is still pro-Trump, it's not it's antiwar.

So you’re saying that you would let China take over territory that isn’t their’s militarily?

Why is it OK with you for China to wage war?
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 17, 2020, 02:11:23 pm
I agree with Biden, if China wages any kind of land grab/war against Japan then the US should let China know that will not be tolerated.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 17, 2020, 02:18:04 pm
I agree with Biden, if China wages any kind of land grab/war against Japan then the US should let China know that will not be tolerated.

I think the OP is implying that nothing should be done about it...
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 17, 2020, 02:24:51 pm
I agree with Biden, if China wages any kind of land grab/war against Japan then the US should let China know that will not be tolerated.

I won't say whether I disagree with that or not Gorgeous. Hearing my opinion would be counter productive. But I will ask you another question:

If the US wages any kind of land grab/war against some country where China has interests, should China let the US know that will not be tolerated?

The title of this thread refers to Japan's mistake of becoming a warring nation in 1939. That resulted ina small scale nuclear attack on Japan. If there's another one it won't be a limited nuclear attack.

How does Japan's leadership think on this subject? Are they emboldened enough by US assurances to move ahead and settle the issue once and for all?

Is China ready yet? If not then wasting time just gives China more time to get ready to handle any outside aggression. And don't discount the defensive alliance that has been formed between Russia and China.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 17, 2020, 02:30:20 pm
I think the OP is implying that nothing should be done about it...

The OP implies that nothing should be done about this standoff with China and also the standoff on the two China's situation in which the US is beginning to push the bounds that have kept world peace up til now.

If you intend to behave appropriately and stay on topic, I'll entertain your ideas. It's entirely up to you.
I have no intention of tampering with any of your posts. I consider that to be out of bounds for this forum. l
That is, right now at least under the current format.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 17, 2020, 02:39:01 pm
The OP implies that nothing should be done about this standoff with China and also the standoff on the two China's situation in which the US is beginning to push the bounds that have kept world peace up til now.

If you intend to behave appropriately and stay on topic, I'll entertain your ideas. It's entirely up to you.
I have no intention of tampering with any of your posts. I consider that to be out of bounds for this forum. l
That is, right now at least under the current format.

What should happen if China tries to take over parts of Japan?
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 17, 2020, 03:22:00 pm
What should happen if China tries to take over parts of Japan?

Your question isn't appropriate here on this conversation. I'll answer why it isn't if anybody other than you or wilbur wants to know.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 17, 2020, 03:36:19 pm
Your question isn't appropriate here on this conversation. I'll answer why it isn't if anybody other than you or wilbur wants to know.

Please spare us.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 17, 2020, 04:05:12 pm
Your question isn't appropriate here on this conversation. I'll answer why it isn't if anybody other than you or wilbur wants to know.

It’s perfectly appropriate.  You are so bad at trolling.  Hopefully, JMT gets tired of your Trump threads and bans your account soon.   You just take up space.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 17, 2020, 04:37:20 pm
It’s perfectly appropriate.  You are so bad at trolling.  Hopefully, JMT gets tired of your Trump threads and bans your account soon.   You just take up space.

Agreed, but it is a bit of fun to toy with him n'est pas? I wonder how the hell he was allowed on Vancouver Island, or is that just more BS.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 17, 2020, 06:49:15 pm
No answer for bad boys. Or girls or whatever they are?
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Gorgeous Graham on November 17, 2020, 07:35:40 pm
Your question isn't appropriate here on this conversation. I'll answer why it isn't if anybody other than you or wilbur wants to know.

Letting China start annexing nearby territory, especially of our allies, is probably the dumbest thing the US could do.  What would you do?  Do you want to be Churchill or Chamberlain?  I'm a Churchill guy myself.

If China wants to please antiwar.com they should probably not annex other countries.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 18, 2020, 12:46:29 pm
Letting China start annexing nearby territory, especially of our allies, is probably the dumbest thing the US could do.

What allies do you have in mind? The Nato article 5 won't allow that and as far as I know it's never been up for question with China. You do understand that China has decided on a peaceful approach instead of a military response to US/Nato aggression and expansionism?

 
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What would you do?  Do you want to be Churchill or Chamberlain?  I'm a Churchill guy myself.

I can answer your question if you can lay out the hypothetical you're imagining. As it stands right now, I see it being the US that has intentions of encroaching further on China's borders and so it's more a question of what should China do. I can answer that one too!

Currently China is in the process of forming a peaceful alliance with Vietnam. Any comments on what the US should do? The US has been cut out and has been displaying very large naval force in Thailand.

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If China wants to please antiwar.com they should probably not annex other countries.

Did you allow one of your chiildren to write that last remark? Just let me know if you're not up to this Gorgeous.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: wilber on November 18, 2020, 12:50:26 pm
What does NATO have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 18, 2020, 01:07:55 pm
What does NATO have to do with anything?

Just another stupid question wilbur, which shows you don't belong here.

Another I will answer if anybody other than the two 'spammer twins' ask. Otherwise, just follow along with your finger.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: wilber on November 18, 2020, 01:13:16 pm
Just another stupid question wilbur, which shows you don't belong here.

Another I will answer if anybody other than the two 'spammer twins' ask. Otherwise, just follow along with your finger.

Answer the question you arrogant prick, NATO has nothing to do with the Far East.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 18, 2020, 01:30:42 pm
Answer the question you arrogant prick, NATO has nothing to do with the Far East.

You say arrogant, I say ignorant, let's call the whole thing off...la,la,la,la,la
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 18, 2020, 01:45:09 pm
You say arrogant, I say ignorant, let's call the whole thing off...la,la,la,la,la

Regardless of your hurt feelings you need some time to lick better, there's no doubt that your spammer friend is ignorant on that which makes up Nato and the significance of it's 'article 5. When, or if the US becomes involved with active military aggression against China, could you explain to him how Nato becomes a player?

And then how Canada will become ground zero too in the nuclear war that could follow?
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 18, 2020, 01:51:11 pm
Regardless of your hurt feelings you need some time to lick better, there's no doubt that your spammer friend is ignorant on that which makes up Nato and the significance of it's 'article 5. When, or if the US becomes involved with active military aggression against China, could you explain to him how Nato becomes a player?

And then how Canada will become ground zero too in the nuclear war that could follow?

I'm sure we all know what article 5 means. It's where the hell did you dream up this ridiculous idea of the US waging war against China. did you have a bad dream the other night? No more lollipops near bed time OK?
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: wilber on November 18, 2020, 01:51:48 pm
Regardless of your hurt feelings you need some time to lick better, there's no doubt that your spammer friend is ignorant on that which makes up Nato and the significance of it's 'article 5. When, or if the US becomes involved with active military aggression against China, could you explain to him how Nato becomes a player?

And then how Canada will become ground zero too in the nuclear war that could follow?

NATO and Article 5 does not apply unless the US has been attacked. The closest US territory is Guam.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 18, 2020, 01:53:10 pm
I'm sure we all know what article 5 means. It's where the hell did you dream up this ridiculous idea of the US waging war against China. did you have a bad dream the other night? No more lollipops near bed time OK?

You're just making yourself feel worse. But you're also giving me the opportunity to help you feel worse. Go lick your fkng wounds.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 18, 2020, 01:58:24 pm
You're just making yourself feel worse. But you're also giving me the opportunity to help you feel worse. Go lick your fkng wounds.

Actually exposing your endless BS makes us feel good. (I take the liberty to speak for many members here saying that) so I suspect also we know who has wounds to lick.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 18, 2020, 02:26:43 pm
As it stands right now, I see it being the US that has intentions of encroaching further on China's borders and so it's more a question of what should China do.

Where is the US encroaching on the Chinese borders?  Be specific.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 18, 2020, 02:31:18 pm
Where is the US encroaching on the Chinese borders?  Be specific.

Apparently Monty isn't good at geography either. Apparently he is mixed up as to where India is versus the US.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 23, 2020, 12:24:52 pm
Apparently Monty isn't good at geography either. Apparently he is mixed up as to where India is versus the US.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3085247/us-air-force-ramps-flyovers-near-china-sign-rising-tension-and
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 23, 2020, 01:19:55 pm
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3085247/us-air-force-ramps-flyovers-near-china-sign-rising-tension-and


A commie rag is your source????   Hahahaha

Go **** yourself crackpot.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 23, 2020, 03:23:58 pm

A commie rag is your source????   Hahahaha

Go **** yourself crackpot.

Was it you or was it one of the other spammers who said he was going to ignore me?
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: wilber on November 23, 2020, 05:39:39 pm

A commie rag is your source????   Hahahaha

Go **** yourself crackpot.

Actually the South China Post is a Hong Kong paper that has been a pretty reliable source of news and opinion from that part of the world. It is refreshing to see Monty linking a MSM source for a change.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 23, 2020, 08:16:15 pm
Actually the South China Post is a Hong Kong paper that has been a pretty reliable source of news and opinion from that part of the world. It is refreshing to see Monty linking a MSM source for a change.

Well....  I stand corrected.  It was a knee jerk reaction to this troll’s constant idiocy.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: wilber on November 24, 2020, 01:13:07 pm
Well....  I stand corrected.  It was a knee jerk reaction to this troll’s constant idiocy.

Understood.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 24, 2020, 01:17:02 pm
You two spammers wouldn't get yourselves in trouble if you just ignored my threads completely. There's no way either of you will make an intelligent contribution!
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 24, 2020, 01:28:58 pm
Actually the South China Post is a Hong Kong paper that has been a pretty reliable source of news and opinion from that part of the world. It is refreshing to see Monty linking a MSM source for a change.

Yeah but don't hold your breath, he's now flogging Newsmax. Back to the far right bS.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 26, 2020, 12:55:32 pm
Maybe the US could try to trade off some Western country for H.K., S.K. Phillipines, Vietnam, or Japan.

China may be possibly be coaxed into finding some incentive to letting go of Cuba or Venezuela?

Even though they have no reason to trade off anything when they're sitting the the cat's seat.

We'll undoubtedly see more aggression comeing soon, as Biden has set up a very hawkish cabinet to take care of the losses by Trump of allowing a leg up for both Russia and China.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 26, 2020, 01:07:14 pm
Where is the USA trying to take over Chinese territory, as you claimed?   Still waiting for an answer to that Montgomery.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 26, 2020, 01:32:14 pm
Where is the USA trying to take over Chinese territory, as you claimed?   Still waiting for an answer to that Montgomery.

I'll stoop to answering you squid because it's a reasonable question this time. Even though it's not addressing directly and honestly that which I've claimed to be happening. I'll consider it close enough in your case.

My claim is that the US is encroaching on China's territorial waters.
To help you understand this more clearly you could imagine China flying over the Bahamas with war planes or cruising those waters with their warships.

Reasoned and polite replies from you will be entertained. Spamming won't!!
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: the_squid on November 26, 2020, 01:38:32 pm
I'll stoop to answering you squid because it's a reasonable question this time. Even though it's not addressing directly and honestly that which I've claimed to be happening. I'll consider it close enough in your case.

My claim is that the US is encroaching on China's territorial waters.
To help you understand this more clearly you could imagine China flying over the Bahamas with war planes or cruising those waters with their warships.

Reasoned and polite replies from you will be entertained. Spamming won't!!

Very vague.  When and where are they doing this?

Hint:  Taiwan is not part of China.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 26, 2020, 02:23:35 pm
Very vague.  When and where are they doing this?

Hint:  Taiwan is not part of China.

You've conceded the point on you being wrong and I should just let you do your own research. But for this time: -----


'Obvious provocation': China accuses US spy plane of ...www.theguardian.com › world › aug › obvious-provoc...
Aug 26, 2020 — China's defence ministry said on Tuesday that the U-2 flew without permission over a no-fly zone in the northern military region where live fire ...

U.S. Flies Over a Chinese Project at Sea, and Beijing Objects ...www.nytimes.com › World › Asia Pacific
May 23, 2015 — WASHINGTON — The United States and China on Friday escalated their dispute over contested territory in the South China Sea, after the ...

China warns off US reconnaissance plane over the South ...www.cnn.com › politics › south-china-sea-flyover-intl
During the flight the crew received six separate warnings from the Chinese military, telling them they were ...
Aug 23, 2018

US planes over the South China Sea to track Chinese ...www.businessinsider.com › ... › Military & Defense
Jun 29, 2020 — US military aircraft may be flying over the South China Sea to keep an ... raise their national flags within territorial waters of other countries in ...
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 26, 2020, 02:59:04 pm
Very vague.  When and where are they doing this?

Hint:  Taiwan is not part of China.

Yeah it seems geography is also not Monty's strong suit.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Montgomery on November 29, 2020, 02:27:54 pm
Yeah it seems geography is also not Monty's strong suit.

Taiwan is the Republic of China.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: wilber on November 29, 2020, 02:48:47 pm
Taiwan is the Republic of China.

Ya, different country.
Title: Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
Post by: Omni on November 29, 2020, 03:00:13 pm
Ya, different country.

I guess monty could use a crash course in geo. I'm sure with your travel history you can provide.  :)