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Title: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 08, 2020, 10:33:30 am
LET US BE POSTING HEREAFTER UNTIL JANUARY ABOUT EVENTS AND HAPPENSANCES

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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: JMT on November 08, 2020, 10:57:11 am
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Joe Biden, his arms open.

Trump, when the walls fell.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 08, 2020, 11:40:29 am
Must you post silly movie characters dressed up in their alien costumes?
Not a good beginning for this board, post US election.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 08, 2020, 11:45:21 am
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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 08, 2020, 11:58:18 am
Now everybody needs to come to understand that Trump was only a symptom of America's corruption, and nothing is any better than it was when the people turned to Trump in desperation.

Worse really, with Biden who is just the US establishment's other arm.

Both sides now will continue their search for the candidate that can fix the failed American way, and ignore the real solution that is clearly the 'commies' under all of America's beds.

So far there's no apparent understanding and so even 4 more years of suffering for the people could not be enough time to adjust their heads so they can begin to face reality.

More likely that the politicians who show a glimmer of hope and promise will be whacked to revenge Trump's fall from glory!

AOC?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 08, 2020, 12:28:10 pm
ColludyRudy heading up Trump's legal team challenging "voting irregularities" - calls a presser in Philadelphia to speak to, "legal challenges to vote counting in Pennsylvania". Press conference held at the Four Seasons Hotel Total Landscaping Co. --- next to Fantasy Island Adult Books; across the street from the Delaware Valley Cremation Center:

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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 08, 2020, 12:29:49 pm
Now everybody needs to come to understand that Trump was only a symptom of America's corruption, and nothing is any better than it was when the people turned to Trump in desperation.

Worse really, with Biden who is just the US establishment's other arm.

Both sides now will continue their search for the candidate that can fix the failed American way, and ignore the real solution that is clearly the 'commies' under all of America's beds.

So far there's no apparent understanding and so even 4 more years of suffering for the people could not be enough time to adjust their heads so they can begin to face reality.

More likely that the politicians who show a glimmer of hope and promise will be whacked to revenge Trump's fall from glory!

AOC?

Still ailing heavily from the conspiracy theory business I see. There are health care professionals who can help with that.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: BC_cheque on November 08, 2020, 12:50:22 pm
ColludyRudy heading up Trump's legal team challenging "voting irregularities" - calls a presser in Philadelphia to speak to, "legal challenges to vote counting in Pennsylvania". Press conference held at the Four Seasons Hotel Total Landscaping Co. --- next to Fantasy Island Adult Books; across the street from the Delaware Valley Cremation Center:

This was the icing on the cake for me, I laughed so hard.  It was surreal.

Any looming doubt about Biden becoming an Al Gore in his premature win went out the window with that press conference.  Between the DOA Hunter Biden October Surprise and the Keystone Cop spectacle of a press conference, I know with Rudy at the helm of legal challenges Biden's presidency is safe.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 08, 2020, 01:06:06 pm
ColludyRudy heading up Trump's legal team challenging "voting irregularities" - calls a presser in Philadelphia to speak to, "legal challenges to vote counting in Pennsylvania". Press conference held at the Four Seasons Hotel Total Landscaping Co. --- next to Fantasy Island Adult Books; across the street from the Delaware Valley Cremation Center:

(https://i.imgur.com/XReVCtK.png)

On Nov.2nd. the most powerful man in the world!

And a couple of days later, being defended by his only remaining friend who is  sexual pervert who has been shown trying to get into the panties of a 15 year old little girl, in bugged hotel room!
A press conference In a back ally next to a sex shop with an audience of maybe a couple of dozen!

Only in America!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 08, 2020, 01:12:22 pm
Now everybody needs to come to understand that Trump was only a symptom of America's corruption, and nothing is any better than it was when the people turned to Trump in desperation.

Worse really, with Biden who is just the US establishment's other arm.

Both sides now will continue their search for the candidate that can fix the failed American way, and ignore the real solution that is clearly the 'commies' under all of America's beds.

So far there's no apparent understanding and so even 4 more years of suffering for the people could not be enough time to adjust their heads so they can begin to face reality.

More likely that the politicians who show a glimmer of hope and promise will be whacked to revenge Trump's fall from glory!

AOC?

The feeling is that now everything will "go back to normal".  Back to establishment politics.  But there's 70 million people who are still clearly frustrated with that and made this a surprisingly close election, but these people will now be ignored.  Most of the media completely ignores this reality.  If you only watched the media (which is centered in New York and LA) you'd be astonished over the Trump support, it just doesn't make sense to these people.  It will be interesting how the populist movements on the right and left in the US go from here, and what happens in 4 years.

Trump obviously wasn't the right guy to fix this problem, but the problems still remain.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 08, 2020, 01:17:11 pm
Must you post silly movie characters dressed up in their alien costumes?
Not a good beginning for this board, post US election.

When the walls fell.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 08, 2020, 01:40:43 pm
The feeling is that now everything will "go back to normal".  Back to establishment politics.  But there's 70 million people who are still clearly frustrated with that and made this a surprisingly close election, but these people will now be ignored.  Most of the media completely ignores this reality.  If you only watched the media (which is centered in New York and LA) you'd be astonished over the Trump support, it just doesn't make sense to these people.  It will be interesting how the populist movements on the right and left in the US go from here, and what happens in 4 years.

Trump obviously wasn't the right guy to fix this problem, but the problems still remain.

I don't know where you get your figure of 70 million from, but I have no better number to offer. However, let's try to break it down:

Suppose that half of Trump's supporters are those ordinary Americans who voted for him in 2016 out of desperation.

And suppose that at least half of Biden's support are the same kind of people who are looking for relief from the failed system in the same way but are choosing a different path to get there.

Is that how you arrive at the 70 million?

Then there are the other halves of both camps who are content with the status quo because they have good paying jobs, healthcare, and other social benefits.

I could go into more detail but this is to first of all offer an understanding of what you're meaning.

And so I see a return to the same old politics that suit the situation. That is, unless they finally come to the realization that they're not the world's only sane democracy and the rest of the world's democracies aren't 'commies'. That's the key! Threre's a huge faction that have kept the people  believing that there's a commie under every bed and all that needs to happen for them to come out of hiding is having the people accept a better system of capitalism with social responsibility.

Is this the breakpoint that will allow that to happen? I see few indications of any understanding of that by Americans.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: BC_cheque on November 08, 2020, 01:42:49 pm
The feeling is that now everything will "go back to normal".  Back to establishment politics.  But there's 70 million people who are still clearly frustrated with that and made this a surprisingly close election, but these people will now be ignored.  Most of the media completely ignores this reality.  If you only watched the media (which is centered in New York and LA) you'd be astonished over the Trump support, it just doesn't make sense to these people.  It will be interesting how the populist movements on the right and left in the US go from here, and what happens in 4 years.

Trump obviously wasn't the right guy to fix this problem, but the problems still remain.

He may have seemed appealing for being an outsider, but once in office, he showed that he's more corrupt than any establishment politician there ever was.  Yet he continued to appeal to his base so obviously it wasn't his outsider credentials they liked.  They actually liked that he is crass, bigoted and dumb.  Here is a rich white guy who in sits in the oval office, yet he is just like THEM.  He represents them. 

Trump was idolized and worshipped by his base, but I don't think anyone other than maybe his sons can fill that void for his base.  My eyes are on Tom Cotton.  I think he will be the next Republican star.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 08, 2020, 01:53:25 pm
He may have seemed appealing for being an outsider, but once in office, he showed that he's more corrupt than any establishment politician there ever was.  Yet he continued to appeal to his base so obviously it wasn't his outsider credentials they liked.  They actually liked that he is crass, bigoted and dumb.  Here is a rich white guy who in sits in the oval office, yet he is just like THEM.  He represents them. 

Trump was idolized and worshipped by his base, but I don't think anyone other than maybe his sons can fill that void for his base.  My eyes are on Tom Cotton.  I think he will be the next Republican star.

There's no way forward for America other than finally throwing out the redbaitiing. If they don't then the fight just remains the same.

Other than the possibility that too many of them will begin to look to outside of their country for the enemy of the people.

Rather than them dropping the redbaiting, the latter is probably more likely and that becomes very scary if they choose China or Russia as the reason why their 'American way' doesn't work.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 08, 2020, 04:01:12 pm
I don't know where you get your figure of 70 million from, but I have no better number to offer. However, let's try to break it down:

70 million people voted for Trump this election is all i'm saying.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on November 08, 2020, 05:58:42 pm
70 million people voted for Trump this election is all i'm saying.
That's probably the biggest take away from this election and especially given the likelihood of a lame duck congress and lamer presidency as a result.  The battle for Georgia's senate seats should be pretty epic. Trumpism is the proven clearest path to Republican power and Trump still has a lot of capacity to leave an even larger mess on the next president's desk.

Never mind Georgia the next US presidential election campaign is already long underway too.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 08, 2020, 06:01:47 pm
70 million people voted for Trump this election is all i'm saying.

Disappointing, because I thought you might be suggesting a lot more.

I think you're not understanding that Trump's people who are the middle class and the poor are just wanting for the same lift up out of poverty as Biden's people of the same financial positions.

America's poverty is hidden from the world's view but it can be seen clearly with a bit of research. It's a bastardization of capitalism that differs from our Canadian values as well as the values of the rest of the world's capitalist systems.

I can't help think you already know that!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 08, 2020, 06:39:40 pm
I think you're not understanding that Trump's people who are the middle class and the poor are just wanting for the same lift up out of poverty as Biden's people of the same financial positions.

That's one thing that the Trump rightwing and Bernie leftwing populists all have in common, they're tired of the corruption of the Washington elites.

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America's poverty is hidden from the world's view but it can be seen clearly with a bit of research. It's a bastardization of capitalism that differs from our Canadian values as well as the values of the rest of the world's capitalist systems.

Unfortunately a lot of Americans, especially Republican supporters, value "freedom" over better economic and social conditions, which is why things like healthcare reform is so hard.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 08, 2020, 07:04:45 pm
That's one thing that the Trump rightwing and Bernie leftwing populists all have in common, they're tired of the corruption of the Washington elites.
 

Yeah - it fills you with hope.  For a second anyway.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 08, 2020, 09:14:56 pm
Yeah - it fills you with hope.  For a second anyway.

Indeed.

Off-topic, how did your beloved polls do in the election this year?

They had Biden up 7.2% in the popular vote LOL:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on November 08, 2020, 09:20:50 pm
Indeed.

Off-topic, how did your beloved polls do in the election this year?

They had Biden up 7.2% in the popular vote LOL:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Isn't Biden projected to win by almost 7 million votes? That isn't that far off.
But I would agree that Trump would be more likely to have supporters who would refuse to take part in polling. I'm not sure that difference was tabulated in their projections.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 09, 2020, 10:16:03 am
Indeed.

Off-topic, how did your beloved polls do in the election this year?

They had Biden up 7.2% in the popular vote LOL:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Polls seem to aggregate well but there are a ton of head scratchers.

Minnesota was close and next door Wisconsin was way off.

I have my suspicions, in that the fivethirtyeight people are a little cocksure when they discuss the model.  It's a model and a very new idea of aggregating polls in the internet age.  There is a ton of subjectivity there, like how much weight they assign to an A+ poll vs a D poll, and what the f*** decides if a poll is A, B, C or D.

This all is possible because of the internet and cellphones and the clusterf*ck can similarly be blamed on the same technology.

It's kind of beautiful.

I would like to record a suspicion that I had earlier is now a flaming red flag... the use of the term "margin of error" by the fivethirtyeight people is false IMO.  They don't have a margin of error in the conventional sense of the word.

So the answer is that the model failed to work as described, but because they were conservative in how they designed it, it did reasonably well and predicted the outcome more or less accurately.

In the end, I am glad Trump is gone and will be interested in following the postmortem on the model.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 09, 2020, 11:49:54 am
That's one thing that the Trump rightwing and Bernie leftwing populists all have in common, they're tired of the corruption of the Washington elites.

Maybe it's time for everybody to back off of the 'wing' talk. Trump's people were an aberration and Bernie's people weren't wingers according to any rational standardss being set by the West's countries.

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Unfortunately a lot of Americans, especially Republican supporters, value "freedom" over better economic and social conditions, which is why things like healthcare reform is so hard.

Americans are choosing to relinquish their freedoms for fear of the 'commie' under their beds that just doesn't exist.

We're not connecting and I feel that we should be able to. Maybe when it becomes evident that nothing is changing under the Biden regime, we will?

One thing maybe we can agree upon for a start is that their system of government is going to hold them back indedefintely, due to the Senate digging in in the same way it did under the Obama regime. What Biden can do with executive orders will be very limited and it's a safe bet to say that he will be able to do exactly nothing more.

One thing that I've been able to observe about this election so far is that it's quite remarkably a divide between white people and others. More than I ever expected it would be. They're awash in racism up to their ears! And that's not saying that the non-whites aren't a part of the hating for race reasons.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 09, 2020, 08:16:02 pm
lawsuit filed seeking to block Pennsylvania from certifying election results:

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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 09, 2020, 10:33:12 pm
The fear with Trump's senility was incompetence and going berserk.  The fear with Biden's should be that the people around him will manipulate him.  Why try to remove a mentally failing POTUS when you can control him.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 09, 2020, 11:00:35 pm
MAGAites really, really, really concerned that 'a call' was made "by the media" when there are such perceived razor-thin margins; with votes still being counted, differences within the following states (with Georgia & Arizona yet to receive a projected winner):

=> Pennsylvania, with 98% ballots reported in: 45,103 favouring Biden
=> Nevada, with 97% ballots reported in: 36,186 favouring Biden
=> Wisconsin, with 99% ballots reported in: 20,539 favouring Biden

=> Georgia, with 99% ballots reported in: 12,337 favouring Biden
=> Arizona, with 98% ballots reported in: 14,746 favouring Biden


by the by, Trumpy won the 2016 Electoral College based upon ~77,000 votes from 3 states; 3 states that held the following voting margins in favour of Trump:

=> Wisconsin ~23k
=> Pennsylvania ~44k
=> Michigan ~11k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 10, 2020, 12:06:38 am
ColludyRudy heading up Trump's legal team challenging "voting irregularities" - calls a presser in Philadelphia to speak to, "legal challenges to vote counting in Pennsylvania". Press conference held at the Four Seasons Hotel Total Landscaping Co. --- next to Fantasy Island Adult Books; across the street from the Delaware Valley Cremation Center:
This was the icing on the cake for me, I laughed so hard.  It was surreal.

Any looming doubt about Biden becoming an Al Gore in his premature win went out the window with that press conference.  Between the DOA Hunter Biden October Surprise and the Keystone Cop spectacle of a press conference, I know with Rudy at the helm of legal challenges Biden's presidency is safe.

(https://i.imgur.com/28OdSDX.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: BC_cheque on November 10, 2020, 01:31:44 am
The fear with Trump's senility was incompetence and going berserk.  The fear with Biden's should be that the people around him will manipulate him.  Why try to remove a mentally failing POTUS when you can control him.

Dude, come on.  What happened to you?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 10, 2020, 01:53:01 am
Dude, come on.  What happened to you?

You’ve never noticed Graham’s penchant for conspiracies?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 10, 2020, 10:54:20 am
Excellent news out today from the land of the gun! The Republicans are getting behind Trump and his refusal to allow the Democrats to 'cheat' him out of the presidency.

There's just no way the fun and entertainment will end soon as that country begins to demonstrate to the world what a totalitarian regime looks like.

May they shoot, bomb, and destroy each other before they get an opportunity to do harm to another small peaceful country!

Any informed opinions on which side is cheating the most? With evidence?

My guess is: I don't give a fk as long as they keep the bombs and bullets inside their own borders.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 10, 2020, 10:56:23 am
Dude, come on.  What happened to you?

Let's just hope and prey that it remains nothing more than a comedy routine waldo.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: kimmy on November 11, 2020, 08:44:05 pm
Some portion of the US public will never accept that Biden won this election, in the same way that some portion of the US public refuses to accept "the official version" about 9/11 or coronavirus or vaccine, or still demand to see Obama's "real" birth certificate.  Some people will never be convinced that there wasn't fraud on a massive scale. (you can see some of those people online at MLW right now!)

There will be violence, from the same kind of people who were plotting to kidnap and murder Gretchen Whitmer.  There will be Timothy McVeigh type terror attacks. There will be people who believe they are fighting to retake the United States from an illegal coup.  Trump himself is doing his best to inflame these sorts of people.

Trump has fired the former Secretary of Defense and replaced him. He already has a yes-man running the Department of Justice.  How ugly this gets between now and Jan 20 might depend how far Barr and the new Sec Def are willing to go in obeying Trump. 

I'm a little nervous about the next 2 months, to be honest. We are going to see some stuff that they will be talking about in history classes in 100 years.

 -k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 11, 2020, 08:59:55 pm
Dude, come on.  What happened to you?

The oldest person to assume the presidency was Donald Trump, at the age of 70 years, 220 days, on Inauguration Day.  Biden will be 78 on his Inauguration Day.

I'm not saying he will go senile, i'm saying it's a possibility.  He's not the same man he was during the Obama admin.  Reagan suffered from dementia while serving as POTUS, and he LEFT the White House at age 78.

It's also a possibility with Trump.  Trump is mentally unstable even without a brain-eroding disease.  That's absolutely frightening.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 11, 2020, 09:01:51 pm
You’ve never noticed Graham’s penchant for conspiracies?

FAKE NEWS
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 11, 2020, 09:18:32 pm
Trump will win this election when Bush finds the WMD's.

Republigan shenanigans.  I really dislike the GOP.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 11, 2020, 09:28:36 pm
Trump will win this election when Bush finds the WMD's.

Republigan shenanigans.  I really dislike the GOP.

Biden will be sworn in, don't worry.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 12, 2020, 11:30:32 am
Trump will win this election when Bush finds the WMD's.

Republigan shenanigans.  I really dislike the GOP.

It makes no sense now unless one considers that it could be a smokescreen to deflect the Dems' energy away from Repub cheating down ballot. Isn't the biggest question on how the R's did so well in the Senate and the House?

In any case, there's little doubt that they've obtained gridlock in government again for another 4 years, providing the Senate isn't flipped. It won't be. The R regime in exile can't allow that to happen.

So once again, the only progress they can make is on their next wars where there will be little disagreement. They're all Americans!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 12, 2020, 02:31:02 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/xo87wbU.png)

NYT: No, Dominion voting machines did not cause widespread voting problems. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/technology/no-dominion-voting-machines-did-not-cause-widespread-voting-problems.html)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 12, 2020, 02:43:28 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/xo87wbU.png)

NYT: No, Dominion voting machines did not cause widespread voting problems. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/technology/no-dominion-voting-machines-did-not-cause-widespread-voting-problems.html)

That's just PUUURFECT! The best news I've heard for months out of that country!

Now Trump's extremists with their guns have to take back the election that was rightfully Trump's!

Either that or write the fkr off as a madman?

It's gonna get GUUUDDDD from now on in maybe?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 12, 2020, 03:05:26 pm
And this is worth wasting a few minutes of your lives to watch! Cheating right before your very eyes!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?view=detail&mid=F8654FA5E0B5E4D6AF2CF8654FA5E0B5E4D6AF2C&q=hammer+and+scorecard&shtp=Email&shid=d21b0231-1266-4e24-8c76-ce1b479578c4&shtk=SGFtbWVyIGFuZCBTY29yZWNhcmQgU29mdHdhcmUgV29ya2luZyBSZWFsdGltZSBPbiBDTk4%3D&shdk=SGFtbWVyIGFuZCBTY29yZWNhcmQgU29mdHdhcmUgV29ya2luZyBSZWFsdGltZSBPbiBDTk4%3D&shhk=5nIErS7nBc82fIyEs1ehUi13U%2FEZXx2AcEIjnR558CU%3D&form=VDSHOT&shth=OSH.3%252F1Xsa09AHXq%252FAvFaJ%252FO3w

A pretty powerful case, even for Canadians.
You bet it's powerful for rightwing extremists with guns!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 12, 2020, 03:06:17 pm
NYT: No, Dominion voting machines did not cause widespread voting problems. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/technology/no-dominion-voting-machines-did-not-cause-widespread-voting-problems.html)

Trump can make all the claims he wants, it's a totally different story for him to prove these claims in court.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 12, 2020, 03:27:36 pm
Trump can make all the claims he wants, it's a totally different story for him to prove these claims in court.

In a fascist regime you don't waste time fkng around in the courts. It's turned upside down in which the guns come out and the blood flows in the streets, then resorting to the courts is redundant.

I'm here to take all of this seriously, just in case. I hope everbody is willing to entertain some of my ideas!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 12, 2020, 04:00:41 pm
In a fascist regime you don't waste time fkng around in the courts. It's turned upside down in which the guns come out and the blood flows in the streets, then resorting to the courts is redundant.

I'm here to take all of this seriously, just in case. I hope everbody is willing to entertain some of my ideas!

Except your ideas tend to often be baseless conspiracy theories. i.e. the "fascist regime" comments you like to throw around.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 12, 2020, 05:59:20 pm
Except your ideas tend to often be baseless conspiracy theories. i.e. the "fascist regime" comments you like to throw around.

Are you sure you'all aren't one of them? You really do like to defend the **** that's happening in that country. It's quite confusing for braindead lemmings but I had already elevated you to one notch above the spammers. I may have been too hasty!
Follow along with your finger on what i'm trying to tell Gorgeous for a while. I'll ignore you for a day or two so you don't get too distracted.

Or maybe even join in if you can lay your hurt aside?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 12, 2020, 07:59:19 pm
Are you sure you'all aren't one of them? You really do like to defend the **** that's happening in that country. It's quite confusing for braindead lemmings but I had already elevated you to one notch above the spammers. I may have been too hasty!
Follow along with your finger on what i'm trying to tell Gorgeous for a while. I'll ignore you for a day or two so you don't get too distracted.

Or maybe even join in if you can lay your hurt aside?

I just make some effort to advise you as to the fallacy of the **** you seem to think is happening in that country. Like most others, I will probably abandon that effort here and then perhaps you can return to MLW or such other right wing nonsensical forums.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 14, 2020, 01:12:07 am
the grift is strong with these 'headliners'!  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/9labzjV.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on November 14, 2020, 01:23:24 am
Marches don't win lawsuits or recounts.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 14, 2020, 07:18:15 am
Marches don't win lawsuits or recounts.

I hope that these events continue and become a subculture that is hermetically sealed from actual influence.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 14, 2020, 07:19:06 am
The early part of the 20th century saw an increase in intelligence of public discussion and reduction in hysteria.

Maybe we can go back to there.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 14, 2020, 10:49:47 am
Those you'alls taking to the streets in bug numbers is a good thing for that country. Trump is finished and their anger will need to be redirected to the real problem they have.

The help they need isn't going to come from Biden, that's for sure. Get yourselves  in the loop if you have any interest in what's happening in the land of the gun by listening to Chris Hedges or Chomsky. It's not that complicated at all!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 14, 2020, 02:05:10 pm
desperate measures... for desperate times! Trumpalos 'ace-in-the-hole' fizzles out...

GOP leaders in 4 states quash dubious Trump bid on electors (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-legislature-pennsylvania-b199b2debc87fbb20612a48835bc0dba)

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Republican leaders in four critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won’t participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state’s electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate’s victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.
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The idea loosely involves GOP-controlled legislatures dismissing Biden’s popular vote wins in their states and opting to select Trump electors. While the endgame was unclear, it appeared to hinge on the expectation that a conservative-leaning Supreme Court would settle any dispute over the move.

Still, it has been promoted by Trump allies, including Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and is an example of misleading information and false claims fueling skepticism among Trump supporters about the integrity of the vote.

The theory is rooted in the fact that the U.S. Constitution grants state legislatures the power to decide how electors are chosen. Each state already has passed laws that delegate this power to voters and appoint electors for whichever candidate wins the state on Election Day. The only opportunity for a state legislature to then get involved with electors is a provision in federal law allowing it if the actual election “fails.”
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: kimmy on November 14, 2020, 06:33:12 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/9labzjV.jpg)

I hear they came about 900,000 MAGAs short of a million.

 -k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 15, 2020, 11:27:53 am
Trump's concession!  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/HOB1G3i.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 15, 2020, 11:34:30 am
I hear they came about 900,000 MAGAs short of a million.

'peak crowd' - per numerous reporting outlets/articles, U.S. Parks Service estimated the size as between 11 & 12,000 MAGAites!

(https://i.imgur.com/I38RUdi.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 15, 2020, 11:43:34 am
I hear they came about 900,000 MAGAs short of a million.

 -k

Curious banner there! Weirdly reminiscent of Nazi banners. The colour tone, the flag, and the portrait!
We shouldn't lose faith in Americans being able to turn this thing into a 'watering of the tree of liberty'.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 15, 2020, 01:11:41 pm
I got a kick out of after hearing Mike Pompeo's nonsenswe about a "smooth transition to a second Trump term" he is now off to France to meet with Macron who recently said that "electing Joe Biden will help make the planet great again". and of course Macron is among other world leaders who were caught on camera ridiculing/laughing at Trump idiocy. Should be an interesting visit.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 15, 2020, 02:08:31 pm
I got a kick out of after hearing Mike Pompeo's nonsenswe about a "smooth transition to a second Trump term" he is now off to France to meet with Macron who recently said that "electing Joe Biden will help make the planet great again". and of course Macron is among other world leaders who were caught on camera ridiculing/laughing at Trump idiocy. Should be an interesting visit.

Actually Pompeo is off to Israel. Maybe France and some other stops are for appearance sake only.
And that's not to suggest the possibility of a false flag attack on Israel, US assets in Iraq, Syria, by Iran.
Not a good time for the US to wag the dog? Right?

Right??
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 15, 2020, 02:19:15 pm
Actually Pompeo is off to Israel. Maybe France and some other stops are for appearance sake only.
And that's not to suggest the possibility of a false flag attack on Israel, US assets in Iraq, Syria, by Iran.
Not a good time for the US to wag the dog? Right?

Right??

Pompeo meets Macron tomorrow, soon after Macron's comments supporting President elect Biden, even going as far as to mock Trump's MAGA thing. I guess you missed the point.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 15, 2020, 02:31:00 pm
Pompeo meets Macron tomorrow, soon after Macron's comments supporting President elect Biden, even going as far as to mock Trump's MAGA thing. I guess you missed the point.

I didn't miss any point. Did you miss the fact that Pompeo is going to Israel and other countries?

You really are the lameass if you think that Pompeo is going to see Macron about some remarks he made about Biden. You don't have to admit it though; just let it go for now.

Or better still, why not try to offer a good explanation for why Pompeo is acting as Biden's ambassador?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 15, 2020, 02:36:44 pm
I didn't miss any point. Did you miss the fact that Pompeo is going to Israel and other countries?

You really are the lameass if you think that Pompeo is going to see Macron about some remarks he made about Biden. You don't have to admit it though; just let it go for now.

Or better still, why not try to offer a good explanation for why Pompeo is acting as Biden's ambassador?

Ah, if Pompeo is acting as anybody's ambassador it ain't for Biden. Perhaps you also missed his comment about a smooth transition to a second term with Trump. Try to keep up OK?  And of course he won't bring up Macron's comments. But I bet the press will continue to have fun with it all.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 15, 2020, 02:50:04 pm
Ah, if Pompeo is acting as anybody's ambassador it ain't for Biden. Perhaps you also missed his comment about a smooth transition to a second term with Trump. Try to keep up OK?  And of course he won't bring up Macron's comments. But I bet the press will continue to have fun with it all.

So you feel bad, so what.

What's it going to take to convince you that Pompeo isn't going to see Macron over what either of them said about Trump? And especially the imaginary nonsense of Trump's second term?

But please do offer some explanation on why Pompeo is going to see Macron!

Or catch up with what we should be talking about and offer an explanation on why Pompeo is going to Israel to be the first US sec. of state to visit an Israeli settlement on Palestinian land.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on November 15, 2020, 02:53:18 pm
Macron won’t care what Pompeo has to say, he won’t be dealing with him after January.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 15, 2020, 03:15:39 pm
So you feel bad, so what.

What's it going to take to convince you that Pompeo isn't going to see Macron over what either of them said about Trump? And especially the imaginary nonsense of Trump's second term?

But please do offer some explanation on why Pompeo is going to see Macron!

Or catch up with what we should be talking about and offer an explanation on why Pompeo is going to Israel to be the first US sec. of state to visit an Israeli settlement on Palestinian land.

Feel bad? wow you really are missing the point. I am getting a giggle out of Macron's comments which fly in the face of Pompeo's, especially the reference to MAGA. The advertised purpose of the visit, in case you missed that as well, is to bring peace and cooperation to West Asia. And since France is his first stop, perhaps Macron can give Pompeo a few hints on bringing peace and cooperation to US democracy by telling his boss to **** off and allow a peaceful transition of power to the newly elected POTUS.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 15, 2020, 05:08:36 pm
Feel bad? wow you really are missing the point. I am getting a giggle out of Macron's comments which fly in the face of Pompeo's, especially the reference to MAGA. The advertised purpose of the visit, in case you missed that as well, is to bring peace and cooperation to West Asia. And since France is his first stop, perhaps Macron can give Pompeo a few hints on bringing peace and cooperation to US democracy by telling his boss to **** off and allow a peaceful transition of power to the newly elected POTUS.

And now you're back to suggesting that Pompeo is going on his trip as an ambassador to Biden, again.

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and allow a peaceful transition of power to the newly elected POTUS.

Your hole is getting deeper.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 15, 2020, 05:15:01 pm
And now you're back to suggesting that Pompeo is going on his trip as an ambassador to Biden, again.

Your hole is getting deeper.

Your reading comprehension seems to remain poor. Pompeo's actions/words are in support of Trump. I pointed out his comments he made recently indicating such. Maybe reread and try to get a handle on what was said.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 15, 2020, 06:19:01 pm
But please do offer some explanation on why Pompeo is going to see Macron!

Or catch up with what we should be talking about and offer an explanation on why Pompeo is going to Israel to be the first US sec. of state to visit an Israeli settlement on Palestinian land.

U.S. State Department offers travel itinerary... spin?

(https://i.imgur.com/jN0Kg7j.png)

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 16, 2020, 12:20:49 pm
Your reading comprehension seems to remain poor. Pompeo's actions/words are in support of Trump. I pointed out his comments he made recently indicating such. Maybe reread and try to get a handle on what was said.

Of course Pompeo's actions/words are in support of Trump.

You appear to be irretrievably lost in this conversation.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 16, 2020, 12:31:46 pm
Of course Pompeo's actions/words are in support of Trump.

You appear to be irretrievably lost in this conversation.

Oh, I see you're still confused, it was you who suggested Pompeo was traveling as an ambassador for Biden. Maybe you reread your posts.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 16, 2020, 12:32:28 pm
U.S. State Department offers travel itinerary... spin?

(https://i.imgur.com/jN0Kg7j.png)

It's good that you posted that waldo. We now at least have an idea of what the US is claiming his tour is supposed to be purposed. And so now an important question? Was the tour planned before or after Trump's defeat became too obvious to deny any longer. I suspect that it was before.

And so the obvious is that Pompeo represents nothing on US foreign policy because he no more than a part of a lame duck administration.
It's a trip that should have been cancelled for that obvious reason. Unless the purpose isn't for some other reasons that haven't been mentioned!

Then his trip begins in Israel and ends in Saudi!

How curious that Pompeo is doing all that when he represents virtually nothing but a lame duck president!!

There's no way that there will be a false flag action against either the US or Israel that will be blamed on Iran. Right??
There's no way Trump will go out with a 'wag the dog' action as his last great act of defiance! Right??
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 16, 2020, 12:39:05 pm
It's good that you posted that waldo. We now at least have an idea of what the US is claiming his tour is supposed to be purposed. And so now an important question? Was the tour planned before or after Trump's defeat became too obvious to deny any longer. I suspect that it was before.

And so the obvious is that Pompeo represents nothing on US foreign policy because he no more than a part of a lame duck administration.
It's a trip that should have been cancelled for that obvious reason. Unless the purpose isn't for some other reasons that haven't been mentioned!

Then his trip begins in Israel:

The obvious reason for the trip which begins in France is that Trump is refusing to concede he lost the election and is trying to act as if his "rigged election" claims will somehow be substantiated. You did hear Pompeo suggest there will be "a smooth transition to a second trump term", or did you miss that too?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 16, 2020, 12:42:01 pm
Oh, I see you're still confused, it was you who suggested Pompeo was traveling as an ambassador for Biden. Maybe you reread your posts.

You stuppid ignorant little man! Can you not understand that Pompeo travelling at this time is him travelling under a lame duck president and that has to be him falsely representing Biden?

You're really not all that much up to the minimum understanding required here are you.

Jeezuz fkng kriste, try to follow along with your finger at least!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 16, 2020, 12:49:08 pm
Macron won’t care what Pompeo has to say, he won’t be dealing with him after January.

Wilbur, can you try to explain to Omni that Pompeo is acting as a part of a  lame duck presidency, considering that you at least have grasped that much?

Then when the two of you have come to understand that, could you both try to think of some reasons why Pompeo didn't cancel the trip?

Keeping in mind that none of the leaders of any of those countries will take anything Pompeo says seriously. That is, unless Pompeo has something important to say about US actions during the lame duck session?

Get it? Any ideas? You two can do this wilbur!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 16, 2020, 12:49:23 pm
You stuppid ignorant little man! Can you not understand that Pompeo travelling at this time is him travelling under a lame duck president and that has to be him falsely representing Biden?

You're really not all that much up to the minimum understanding required here are you.

Jeezuz fkng kriste, try to follow along with your finger at least!

Speaking of "stupid ignorant" how can you suggest Pompeo's comments on an international stage suggesting a smooth transition to a second term of a trump presidency is in any way representing Biden. sheesh!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 19, 2020, 11:52:48 pm
LP: don't call them leaders!                                                                                             then along comes Senator Romney:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou-8MNvV0qk --- (https://i.imgur.com/0bduzwf.png)




Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 20, 2020, 12:35:54 am
Wilbur, can you try to explain to Omni that Pompeo is acting as a part of a  lame duck presidency, considering that you at least have grasped that much?

Then when the two of you have come to understand that, could you both try to think of some reasons why Pompeo didn't cancel the trip?

Keeping in mind that none of the leaders of any of those countries will take anything Pompeo says seriously. That is, unless Pompeo has something important to say about US actions during the lame duck session?

Get it? Any ideas? You two can do this wilbur!

Maybe if Wilber explains to you that Pompeo suggesting that he is in the process of welcoming a smooth transition to a second term with Trump you will finally comprehend the actual signifigance of the statement. But I suggest even he won't bother dealing with your obvious ignorance. Oh, btw, try and learn to spell wilbEr correctly. At least that could be a bit of a start for you. :)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 20, 2020, 12:42:57 am
Wilbur, can you try to explain to Omni that Pompeo is acting as a part of a  lame duck presidency, considering that you at least have grasped that much?

Then when the two of you have come to understand that, could you both try to think of some reasons why Pompeo didn't cancel the trip?

Keeping in mind that none of the leaders of any of those countries will take anything Pompeo says seriously. That is, unless Pompeo has something important to say about US actions during the lame duck session?

Get it? Any ideas? You two can do this wilbur!


Hard to understand how you don't understand how strongly you contradict yourself with your statement on this issue, Biut then I've seen it elsewhere with you. Are you sure MLW isn't a better place for your ideas?


Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 20, 2020, 11:43:28 am
Trump is canvassing his lowlife supporters for money to pay his legal team and it must be working so far. But I greatly fear that when the money runs out the lawyers will pack up and go home. After all, they're lawyers and don't do what they do because of their political feelings.

And then all the fun will stop.  >:(

Except maybe, the **** Trumpers will take it to the streets with their guns?  ;D
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 21, 2020, 03:59:42 am
Trump once again tries, and once again fails to overthrow the will of the people, this time in Michigan. How many more times will he attempt to thwart the process of democracy the country was born on before the SS has to cuff him and drag his stupid ass out of the White House? Anyway on a more "lighter" side now that Don jr. has come down with Covid 19 and with Don sr. having recolored his fake hairpiece, and the family lawyer flapping his gums ridiculously while the grease pours out of his face and his hair dye flowing down both cheeks I think I have an updated version of The Three Stooges ready to roll out. StAY TUNED.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on November 21, 2020, 08:54:35 am
The SS?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: JMT on November 21, 2020, 09:22:16 am
The SS?

In this case, it's the other SS - the Secret Service.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on November 21, 2020, 09:26:07 am
In this case, it's the other SS - the Secret Service.

Ah, one never knows these days.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 21, 2020, 11:17:35 am
It's all good in the land of the gun! Trump will remain as their president in exile to Mara Lago and Biden will be unable to change anything. Then maybee they'll do it all over again in 4 years by electing Ivanka as a figurehead president with daddy instructing her on what to say and do.

The land of the gun is too irreparably corrupted now to be able to fix the mess they've made of their country.

Will this all lead to a nuclear war led by the US against China? Who knows? Who really cares?

It's all good and it's free entertainment too!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 22, 2020, 12:21:00 am
recap: in the U.S. state of Georgia, by state law, the closeness of the margin between winnerBiden & LoserTrump necessitated a recount be done... the law only requires a representative sampling of ballots to be recounted; however, the Secretary of State authorized a full hand-recount of all state-wide ballots. The recount result maintained the Biden win; accordingly, by state law, the Governor certified the election results this past Friday.

now, as is the right of the Loser, after results are certified, LoserTrump has the right to request a recount... which is just what his elite strike-force legal team has done:

(https://i.imgur.com/hRHiwvq.png)

of note: this next recount will not be a hand-recount; rather, it will be a machine count. Trump's legal wizards are emphasizing signature matching was not done as a part of the prior hand-count and are requesting it be undertaken for all mail-in ballots... while knowing full-well that this is no longer possible. Per the Georgia Secretary of State:

Quote from: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger
At this point in the process it is not possible to match signatures — which already took place as a part of a two-step signature verification process — because ballots are separated from envelopes to ensure the secrecy of voters' selections.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 22, 2020, 12:32:25 am
today, Saturday: Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit that sought to invalidate millions of Pennsylvania votes. Elite strike-force legal team responds... emphasizing the dismissal is simply an, 'expeditious fit helping their strategy to realize a U.S. Supreme Court hearing'. Apparently, they believe Trump stacking the court with conservative/right-leaning justices has consequences!

(https://i.imgur.com/NBzC4sd.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 22, 2020, 05:40:28 am
Waldo I sincerely appreciate the updates.

What I and others I am reading can't figure out is whether there's an actual strategy to win behind this:

- emerging batshit crazy figure and Qanon quoter Sydney Powell goes on NEWSMAX last night to claim the Republican governor of Georgia was PAID OFF by Dominion

- Wisconsin recount monitors for Trump rejecting EVERY ballot

Are they just mashing the buttons and muddying the water hoping to discredit the presidency of BIden and maybe break the system if they're lucky?

My anxiety is creeping back up, make me feel better.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on November 22, 2020, 11:50:54 am
Are they just mashing the buttons and muddying the water hoping to discredit the presidency of BIden and maybe break the system if they're lucky?
That's exactly what he's doing. I'll be surprised if he doesn't throw a torch over his shoulder when he leaves the White House on Jan 20th.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 22, 2020, 11:54:20 am
That's exactly what he's doing. I'll be surprised if he doesn't throw a torch over his shoulder when he leaves the White House on Jan 20th.

It's a credit to their snake oil abilities that I still believe there must be something, anything, in the wait that will mount an cogent attack.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on November 22, 2020, 12:02:29 pm
It's a credit to their snake oil abilities that I still believe there must be something, anything, in the wait that will mount an cogent attack.
Maybe in Georgia there will be but in the meantime the vast majority of Republicans appear to be quite happy to slosh that snake oil all over themselves and join Trump's ****.

Again, it needs to be said Trump is more effect than cause. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 22, 2020, 12:06:55 pm
Maybe in Georgia there will be but in the meantime the vast majority of Republicans appear to be quite happy to slosh that snake oil all over themselves and join Trump's ****.

Again, it needs to be said Trump is more effect than cause.

It's both.  And the Republicans can't possibly wish it on themselves that an exiled maniac in Florida will be remotely directing policy. 

If Jeb Bush wants to go again... or really any of them it's the last thing they need.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 22, 2020, 12:16:13 pm
Waldo I sincerely appreciate the updates.

What I and others I am reading can't figure out is whether there's an actual strategy to win behind this:

- emerging batshit crazy figure and Qanon quoter Sydney Powell goes on NEWSMAX last night to claim the Republican governor of Georgia was PAID OFF by Dominion

- Wisconsin recount monitors for Trump rejecting EVERY ballot

Are they just mashing the buttons and muddying the water hoping to discredit the presidency of BIden and maybe break the system if they're lucky?

My anxiety is creeping back up, make me feel better.

The Trump legal team has no strategy to win. That's quite impossible in the ordinary sense of winning. Their win comes in the form of dissention built up in the minds of the Trump supporters and their commitment to knowing that Trump was cheated.

You can think of it as setting the stage for America's politics going forward.

The only question is whether there will be enough of them to deligitimize Biden. I think there will be because Biden isn't legitimate to begin with, in the sense that he's establishment rot and won't have the commitment needed to make the change necessary to bring the American people up out of poverty.

They may not gravitate toward Trump again but they will still be motivated by the needs they have to find another anti-wstablishment hero to serve their gravelly desperate interests.

There's no contradiction in politics in that country. When the establishment system is so severely threatened as it was before Trump, the solution of the establishment is finding another shyster who will promise the people and then reneg on everything.

And around they go for another 4 years!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 22, 2020, 12:21:21 pm


Again, it needs to be said Trump is more effect than cause.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on November 22, 2020, 12:30:28 pm
It's both.  And the Republicans can't possibly wish it on themselves that an exiled maniac in Florida will be remotely directing policy. 
It's hard to believe that when its being reported some 70 - 80% of them believe everything Trump has alleged.  Even Fucker Carlson has faced questions about his fealty/loyalty for seeking proof of the Republican's nonsense.  Republicans are all in, they have been ever since Rush Limbaugh started making fake news respectable.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 22, 2020, 12:40:57 pm
It's hard to believe that when its being reported some 70 - 80% of them believe everything Trump has alleged.  Even Fucker Carlson has faced questions about his fealty/loyalty for seeking proof of the Republican's nonsense.  Republicans are all in, they have been ever since Rush Limbaugh started making fake news respectable.

It's hard to believe because it's not true. You're not getting it so let's try once again.

They don't believe, they only want to keep up the smokescreen so that Biden isn't legitimized, and thereby win the political support the ballot boxes took away from them. THINK!

Trump will continue on to lead the anti-Biden charge/movement!

Are you beginning to see fascist tactics at work yet, to steal the election for Trump? Is it possible to imagine an anti-Biden movement growing because of Biden only representing more establishment, American way, rot?

You will! We will!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 22, 2020, 12:41:44 pm
The Trump legal team has no strategy to win.   
 

I don't think you should say this with any confidence.  The system has lots of breaking points.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on November 22, 2020, 12:57:29 pm
Are you beginning to see fascist tactics at work yet, to steal the election for Trump?
What I see are Republicans manoeuvring to be in a position to harness the stupidity of the stupidest people on the planet, Trump's voters.  Whatever else the Republican party is it's acting like a sorcerer who has chosen to let the apprentice continue using their magic wand.  In this case a wand and tactic that Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and others have been using for years and years.

The danger is the stupidity not Republican tactics which are actually pretty clever given their success.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on November 22, 2020, 01:49:02 pm
Waldo I sincerely appreciate the updates.

What I and others I am reading can't figure out is whether there's an actual strategy to win behind this:

Are they just mashing the buttons and muddying the water hoping to discredit the presidency of BIden and maybe break the system if they're lucky?

My anxiety is creeping back up, make me feel better.

perhaps an either/or;

either: politics "disguised" as a legal strategy. That is to say, the 30+ legal filings at the various relevant states level, is the fuel behind the mega-funding blitz on right now; as I understand, 100's of emails soliciting funds have been sent and continue to be regularly sent out to "names on lists" (presumably Trump supporters)... with the emails so pointed as to ask that, for example, "patriots help Trump defend the integrity of the election". Of course, the fine print within these solicitations started by stating:
=> 60% of the funds go first to Trump's Leadership PAC, 'Save America' -- up to the $5,000 legal donation limit -- and then to the Trump campaign's recount account. The remaining 40% will go to the Republican National Committee's operating account. This changed recently to:
=> 75% of the funds go first to Trump's Leadership PAC, 'Save America' -- up to the $5,000 legal donation limit -- and then to the Trump campaign's recount account... with the RNC receiving the remaining 25% donated.

or: something strikes the 'fancy' of at least 4 of the Supreme Court justices required to realize a hearing before the SCOTUS; and again, Trump et al believe the (now) 6-3 Conservative lean of the court favours their side - hence the rush to confirm RBG's replacement before the election (Barrett). Some speculation has vote-counting deadlines, particularly those that relate to mail-in ballots, as something the SCOTUS might accept to hear.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 22, 2020, 08:38:59 pm
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Giuliani-releases-statement-distancing-Trump-15746761.php

They fired the crazy Leopard Print lady.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 23, 2020, 01:13:18 pm
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/23/trump-jr-urges-georgians-to-back-loeffler-perdue-in-senate-runoffs/

The Trump team and family goes for broke on playing down the Corona virus at what is possibly the best time to ignore precautions.

If it wasn't for Breitbart news, who would have known?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 23, 2020, 07:58:08 pm
Trump conceded kind of...

"The secretary lady is being threatened with violence so I let her do transition to Biden for now"
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: kimmy on November 23, 2020, 08:33:48 pm
Trump conceded kind of...

"The secretary lady is being threatened with violence so I let her do transition to Biden for now"

Trump's explanation is bullshit, obviously. There's no indication she has been threatened with violence, and Trump wouldn't give a **** even if she was. The only threat she has received was having to explain herself, under oath, to a congressional committee.

The Republicans got a talking-to from business interests. They were told that if they didn't start the transition, they weren't going to get campaign contributions for the Georgia senate runoffs.

 -k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 23, 2020, 08:50:37 pm
Trump's explanation is bullshit, obviously. There's no indication she has been threatened with violence, and Trump wouldn't give a **** even if she was. The only threat she has received was having to explain herself, under oath, to a congressional committee.

The Republicans got a talking-to from business interests. They were told that if they didn't start the transition, they weren't going to get campaign contributions for the Georgia senate runoffs.

 -k

What a **** **** show
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 23, 2020, 09:10:55 pm
Even with the transition funding in place, the person who oversees the process didn’t call Biden “President Elect”.  I guess as an appeasement to Trump?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on November 23, 2020, 11:23:23 pm
Well finally the GSA and the bias **** who heads it has finally conceded that Joe Biden won  the election and now the transition process can begin to take place. Emily Murphy has certainly done her part to help to reduce the US to a "banana republic" status throughout much of the rest of the civilized world, but then she seems to have forgotten that she works for the people, and not the bald headed **** with the phony hairpiece who somehow got elected (the stupid EC process) and now has been voted out by both measures. I certainly don't envy Biden stepping into the current mess. I think he has made some good picks for his cabinet. I'd be happy to go fly Air Force One for him. I have a few thousand hours in the cockpit. But I'm not American so Oh well.

I bet Trump heads to Mara Lago for Xmas and disappears into the woodwork. I doubt he shows up at Joe's inauguration.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 24, 2020, 11:59:34 am
Not only is Biden a jump from the frying pan into the fire for that shithole country, he's pure establshment American way too. It won't take long for him to show that but at least Kamala will start making a noise. The two hate each other's politics but Kamala was necessary if he wanted to be elected.

Black leaders in that country are very aware of that! They won't tolerate her selling out even if she ever wanted to. If the Dem party want a reputation to be supported from now on, they'll be forced to make some moves away from their establsihment selling out routine!

Rather than that happening, it's pretty safe to predict that black and other non-whites will stay home for their next election. That country isn't ready to move forward yet.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 24, 2020, 01:01:57 pm
Watched NEWSMAX.

Now I miss FOX.

(https://i.imgur.com/JDVWkVN.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on November 24, 2020, 01:09:09 pm
Watched NEWSMAX.

Now I miss FOX.

(https://i.imgur.com/JDVWkVN.png)

You learn something by not being afraid to see what they're trying to push. You might learn something from OANN too. Or even RT.com.

There's very little chance of hair growing on the palms of your hands if they only accuse you of being a commie.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on November 24, 2020, 03:54:00 pm
... if they only accuse you of being a commie.

They think Jeb Bush is a commie.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 01, 2020, 01:17:09 pm
speaking to Trumpy, conservative radio host Eric Metaxas: "I'd be happy to die in this fight. This is a fight for everything. God is with us (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1333495800593326081/pu/vid/1250x654/gOdlLtvX3yXHxYAA.mp4?tag=10)"
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Montgomery on December 01, 2020, 01:52:03 pm
speaking to Trumpy, conservative radio host Eric Metaxas: "I'd be happy to die in this fight. This is a fight for everything. God is with us (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1333495800593326081/pu/vid/1250x654/gOdlLtvX3yXHxYAA.mp4?tag=10)"

Good informative link waldo. Now that they have baby jesus in the fight there's no way it's going to just die out for Trump.

Also in the news, death threats against Krebs by DiGenova, Trump's lawyer.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 12, 2020, 11:52:06 am
recently pardoned Michael Flynn (former U.S. National Security Advisor) has a new spring in his step... so emboldened now!

(https://jethrosleestak.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/meme-flynn-traitor.jpg)

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 12, 2020, 12:07:38 pm
so Trump lost his described "big one case" before the SCOTUS; an attempt to invalidate the votes of millions of voters in Biden-won states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia and Wisconsin... where

- Trump joined Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's lawsuit, which was
- also joined by 19 GOP State Attorneys General and where
- more than 125 GOP House representatives also signed on (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/10/politics/read-house-republicans-texas-supreme-court/index.html)

the deep-state SCOTUS stood firm - democracy guardrails held!  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/MGtlAD5.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 13, 2020, 01:51:53 pm
I believe 7 justices said... there's no standing for Texas to submit at all.  And 2 said... well, we would have taken it and rejected after that. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 14, 2020, 09:01:04 am
appropriate book-ends to today's typically symbolic/ritual Electoral College vote:


(https://i.imgur.com/dCgjwyt.png)


the United States Postal Service has until December 23 to deliver the certificates of vote to the U.S. Senate; the entire U.S. Congress meets to count the electoral votes on January 6
... with winnerBiden, sworn in as the 46th President of the United States on January 20.

meanwhile, the latest from loserTrump... still licking his wounds after losing his self-described 'big one' before the SCOTUS:

(https://i.imgur.com/s8ZJddN.png)

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 18, 2020, 04:03:11 am
recently pardoned former Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn - on Newsmax:

Quote
Trump could order military capabilities to swing states and rerun an election in each of those states... "People out there talk about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1339730497816186880/pu/vid/1280x720/TjdIQavNBEKABBds.mp4?tag=10)"

pardon payback!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 18, 2020, 06:42:07 am
https://www.oann.com/sen-elect-tommy-tuberville-to-object-electoral-votes-on-jan-6/

Also GENIUS football coach/idiot Senator Tunerman seems eager to find out how much power McConnell has

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on December 18, 2020, 12:26:37 pm
https://www.oann.com/sen-elect-tommy-tuberville-to-object-electoral-votes-on-jan-6/

Also GENIUS football coach/idiot Senator Tunerman seems eager to find out how much power McConnell has
Fake news.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 18, 2020, 12:41:17 pm
Fake news.

that Trumpy retweeted! Oh my! Besides, I thought OAN was now the gold-standard for you Trumpkins - yes?

(https://i.imgur.com/e356dmK.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on December 18, 2020, 12:45:10 pm
that Trumpy retweeted! Oh my! Besides, I thought OAN was now the gold-standard for you Trumpkins - yes?

(https://i.imgur.com/e356dmK.png)
Sorry, fake news.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on December 18, 2020, 12:54:45 pm
He said he might object, he hasn't confirmed that he would.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 18, 2020, 12:55:43 pm
job well done Trumpy!  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/7EReifq.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 19, 2020, 05:35:32 am
Lou Dobbs and reality

https://youtu.be/yE6s7P6wThI

Dobbs forced to retract...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on December 19, 2020, 11:55:59 am
Lou Dobbs and reality

https://youtu.be/yE6s7P6wThI

Dobbs forced to retract...

Where did Dobbs retract anything? They got someone else to interview a guy who as good as said it was BS but did Dobbs ever say he was wrong . I wonder if people like Dobbs have any conscience when it comes to the damage they are doing to the country's democratic institutions. Patriots my ass, they might as well be working for Moscow Center.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: kimmy on December 19, 2020, 01:24:19 pm
that Trumpy retweeted! Oh my! Besides, I thought OAN was now the gold-standard for you Trumpkins - yes?

(https://i.imgur.com/e356dmK.png)

Tommy Tuber? sounds like Mr Potatohead's long lost son.

Sorry, fake news.

It's nice that at least some conservatives are willing to call OAN what it is.

 -k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on December 19, 2020, 01:36:24 pm
Tommy Tuber? sounds like Mr Potatohead's long lost son.

It's nice that at least some conservatives are willing to call OAN what it is.

 -k

Well of course donny and Fox (Faux) news have had a bit of a falling out since even they have underscored some of his BS. I suspect OAN is far enough to the right to pick up were Fox left off supporting a rather poor, one term potus.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on December 19, 2020, 02:04:16 pm
I wonder if Smarmatic will continue with its suit. That video didn't amount to a retraction in my book.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 19, 2020, 02:05:57 pm
@wilbur interesting take.  I read the order and it seemed to me to be partially filled.  We'll see, as they say.  "they"
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 19, 2020, 02:26:25 pm
and upcoming... Dominion Voting Systems: Trump campaign told to preserve all documents related to Sidney Powell and Dominion Voting Systems (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics/trump-campaign-sidney-powell-dominion-voting-systems/index.html)

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President Donald Trump's campaign legal team sent a memo to dozens of staffers Saturday instructing them to preserve all documents related to Dominion Voting Systems and Sidney Powell in anticipation of potential litigation by the company against the pro-Trump attorney.
The memo, viewed by CNN, references a letter Dominion sent to Powell this week demanding she publicly retract her accusations and instructs campaign staff not to alter, destroy or discard records that could be relevant.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 19, 2020, 03:25:22 pm
It's a long slow crash to reality.  I am enjoying it but it feels also like I'm being bound and tickled... odd.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 20, 2020, 01:09:17 pm
job well done Trumpy!  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/7EReifq.png)

once again... per norm... Trump chooses to ignore U.S. Intelligence Services assessments of the Russian megaHack. Trump again fails to criticize/call Russia out; while deflecting away from Russia with his Chyna ready go-to!

(https://i.imgur.com/keIa1o2.png)

Trump downplays massive cyber hack on government after Pompeo links attack to Russia (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics/pompeo-us-government-hack-russia/index.html)

At Least 200 Victims Identified in Suspected Russian Hacking (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/at-least-200-victims-identified-in-suspected-russian-hacking)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 21, 2020, 08:27:44 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/3KOffnT.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on December 22, 2020, 11:09:10 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/yEHuo4R.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: kimmy on December 23, 2020, 01:27:55 pm
I expect that Q-anon conspiracy kooks will be claiming that Trump secretly won the election and still secretly running the country from Mar-a-Lago while Biden runs a fake administration for show in DC.

 -k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on December 23, 2020, 03:49:40 pm
I expect that Q-anon conspiracy kooks will be claiming that Trump secretly won the election and still secretly running the country from Mar-a-Lago while Biden runs a fake administration for show in DC.

 -k

Guaranteed.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on December 23, 2020, 07:01:22 pm
So far Maher has proven to be about 98% right.

https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1220958127790555136?lang=en
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on December 23, 2020, 08:01:50 pm
So far Maher has proven to be about 98% right.

https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1220958127790555136?lang=en

He'll leave, he's just going to do everything in his power except violence to not to.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on December 27, 2020, 03:13:34 pm
He'll leave, he's just going to do everything in his power except violence to not to.

We'll leave the violence to others, he always does.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on December 27, 2020, 04:03:25 pm
We'll leave the violence to others, he always does.

He seems more like a bully con-man than a violent thug.  I don't expect him to put up a physical fight.  It's possible his gun-toting followers might do...something, but i doubt it on any kind of large scale.  They haven't really done much since the election except blow hot air.

Inauguration Day is going to be very entertaining.  I'm waiting to see in what manner Trump strolls out of the WH.  He won't leave with his tail between his legs, he'll go out boasting.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on December 27, 2020, 04:45:43 pm
He seems more like a bully con-man than a violent thug.  I don't expect him to put up a physical fight.  It's possible his gun-toting followers might do...something, but i doubt it on any kind of large scale.  They haven't really done much since the election except blow hot air.

Inauguration Day is going to be very entertaining.  I'm waiting to see in what manner Trump strolls out of the WH.  He won't leave with his tail between his legs, he'll go out boasting.

Trump is promoting violence as he tries whatever way he can to overturn the election that kicked his sorry arse out of office. The morons, at least the totally brain dead portions could very well turn to violence at his direction. Let's hope donny rises a step up and simply fucks off to his golf course so things can get back to a form of normal in the US.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on December 27, 2020, 06:06:28 pm
He seems more like a bully con-man than a violent thug.  I don't expect him to put up a physical fight.  It's possible his gun-toting followers might do...something, but i doubt it on any kind of large scale.  They haven't really done much since the election except blow hot air.

Inauguration Day is going to be very entertaining.  I'm waiting to see in what manner Trump strolls out of the WH.  He won't leave with his tail between his legs, he'll go out boasting.

He is already gone...  there is speculation that he won't go back to the White House prior to Biden taking over.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-25/donald-trump-has-left-the-white-house-for-christmas/13009484
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on December 27, 2020, 06:27:45 pm
Trump is promoting violence as he tries whatever way he can to overturn the election that kicked his sorry arse out of office.

LOL uh ok.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on December 27, 2020, 06:32:13 pm
LOL uh ok.

That's OK with you? It's not a LOL matter in case you need a wake up call.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on December 27, 2020, 08:16:07 pm
He is already gone...  there is speculation that he won't go back to the White House prior to Biden taking over.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-25/donald-trump-has-left-the-white-house-for-christmas/13009484

For all he is actually doing, it would be better if he stayed in Florida.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on December 27, 2020, 11:20:09 pm
The US not so long ago was a highly honored example of democracy, now ity has become the laughing stock of a tin pot dictatorship. Hopefully when they drag donny out of office whichever way they have to, they can start to rebuild back to their previous status.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 28, 2020, 08:06:32 am
The US not so long ago was a highly honored example of democracy, now ity has become the laughing stock of a tin pot dictatorship. Hopefully when they drag donny out of office whichever way they have to, they can start to rebuild back to their previous status.

It's the point in an empire's life when it grows so preoccupied with entertainments that it can't bear to pay attention to existential issues.  And the leadership can't exorcise itself from the culture of folly to make a sobering look at what is happening.

Economic, mental and physical health the those in the bottom half of earnings needs to be ameliorated. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 29, 2020, 02:48:56 pm
Jeebus now congress is overturning Trump's Veto (with Republicans) and the Senate is shooting down his $2000 Covid relief.

He's mashing the buttons wrong.  I think this means Pence and maybe Newt Gingerich are the only ones still 100% behind him.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on December 29, 2020, 05:13:41 pm
Jeebus now congress is overturning Trump's Veto (with Republicans) and the Senate is shooting down his $2000 Covid relief.

He's mashing the buttons wrong.  I think this means Pence and maybe Newt Gingerich are the only ones still 100% behind him.

It's hilarious. The House helped Trump throw a stink bomb into the Senate and Republicans don't know which way to run.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on December 29, 2020, 05:44:48 pm
It's hilarious. The House helped Trump throw a stink bomb into the Senate and Republicans don't know which way to run.
Its DRS - Deranged Republican Syndrome.  It is hilarious.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on December 30, 2020, 11:25:26 am
For all he is actually doing, it would be better if he stayed in Florida.
Yeah, about Trump living there...

From: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/in-mar-a-lago-some-revel-and-some-rebel-amid-trump-s-last-visit-as-president-1.5246586
Soon he also may be forced to face a brewing dispute over his Mar-a-Lago resort, whose neighbors have filed a grievance claiming Trump has no legal right to live at the storied property.... neighbors formally wrote the town of Palm Beach and the U.S. Secret Service asserting that Trump signed away his legal right to live at Mar-a-Lago when he converted the property from his residence to a private club in the 1990s. The dispute would put Trump in the highly awkward scenario of defending his choice of post-presidency residence.

I hope the residents are able to force him out.

(Now, Trump does have other properties in the area that he could live at. But not being able to stay in his resort, especially after spending money to renovate it, will be an irritation to him.)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on December 30, 2020, 11:54:28 am
It's hilarious. The House helped Trump throw a stink bomb into the Senate and Republicans don't know which way to run.
Its always amazing hearing republican politicians complain about Trump when he does something foolish.

The GOP saw how petty and vindictive Trump can be (e.g. firing inspectors general). They saw he was willing to lie (everything from the size of his inauguration crowd, to Alabama being in the path of a hurricane) and engage in criminal activity (Trump University, blackmail/bribe Ukraine into investigating Biden). Its obvious that Trump is an incompetent narcissist con-artist.

Yet republican congress critters did everything they could to enable Trump. They voted to confirm his cabinet members (even the ones that were clearly not competent for the job) and his judges. And when he was impeached (and they had the chance to finally get rid of him), they lined up to say "Yeah, no problem if you break the law".

And NOW they complain about Trump not playing by the rules. What did you expect? They are like the guy who gets a pet alligator, and then gets surprised when it ends up biting their leg off.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on December 30, 2020, 01:28:33 pm
Its always amazing hearing republican politicians complain about Trump when he does something foolish.

The GOP saw how petty and vindictive Trump can be (e.g. firing inspectors general). They saw he was willing to lie (everything from the size of his inauguration crowd, to Alabama being in the path of a hurricane) and engage in criminal activity (Trump University, blackmail/bribe Ukraine into investigating Biden). Its obvious that Trump is an incompetent narcissist con-artist.

Yet republican congress critters did everything they could to enable Trump. They voted to confirm his cabinet members (even the ones that were clearly not competent for the job) and his judges. And when he was impeached (and they had the chance to finally get rid of him), they lined up to say "Yeah, no problem if you break the law".

And NOW they complain about Trump not playing by the rules. What did you expect? They are like the guy who gets a pet alligator, and then gets surprised when it ends up biting their leg off.

And now the house is overriding trumps veto of the relief bill, some senators are sticking with trump as he tries to overthrow the election results, etc., etc. I don't recall a time when the place was in such turmoil. It will be interesting to see his reaction a week from today when the EC vote is officially rendered. Then another two weeks until trump gets escorted from the WH and maybe Biden can bring the place back to some sanity.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on December 30, 2020, 02:01:35 pm
And now the house is overriding trumps veto of the relief bill
Minor nitpick...

Trump already signed the Covid relief bill. (Not that his delays in signing it didn't cause problems.)

The bill that Trump vetoed (and that the house is working to override the veto) was the military spending bill. Trump was complaining because it didn't address section 230 (which has nothing really to do with the military), and also allowed for the renaming of military bases named after confederate generals.

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Then another two weeks until trump gets escorted from the WH and maybe Biden can bring the place back to some sanity.
The only way Biden can bring it back to sanity is if: 1) the democrats win the 2 Georgia run-offs, and 2) Biden decides to play "hardball" with congressional republicans. If the Democrats lose in georgia, Moscow Mitch retains control of the senate... so Biden will be blocked when he tries to fix the devastation caused by Trump. And if Biden tries to play 'nice' with the republicans, they will be hamstringing themselves.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 30, 2020, 02:57:03 pm
And now the house is overriding trumps veto of the relief bill, some senators are sticking with trump as he tries to overthrow the election results, etc., etc. I don't recall a time when the place was in such turmoil. It will be interesting to see his reaction a week from today when the EC vote is officially rendered. Then another two weeks until trump gets escorted from the WH and maybe Biden can bring the place back to some sanity.

Trump has apparently orchestrated a revolt against McConnell as  senator Josh Hawley is going to petition the PA.  Now each senator has to stand up and choose between allegiance to the orange man (and his Republican followers) or the system

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/30/politics/josh-hawley-force-votes-electoral-college-results/index.html
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on December 30, 2020, 03:04:31 pm
Trump has apparently orchestrated a revolt against McConnell as  senator Josh Hawley is going to petition the PA.  Now each senator has to stand up and choose between allegiance to the orange man (and his Republican followers) or the system

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/30/politics/josh-hawley-force-votes-electoral-college-results/index.html

Yes and this whole process will hold up progress for hours upon hours simply to reach an already foregone conclusion. And can you imagine, the idiot says he will, and is collecting millions of bucks to support a run in 2004. I wonder if the GOP will have the good sense to put him out to pasture long before then.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on December 30, 2020, 03:10:26 pm
Trump has apparently orchestrated a revolt against McConnell as  senator Josh Hawley is going to petition the PA.
I guess the question is whether this is an honest attempt to challenge the election results or an attempt to gain favor with the MAGAchuds  in later elections.

Elections analyst Nate Silver said it best:
Hawley seems like the sort of politician who will be heralded by pundits as the new GOP frontrunner in some future election year and then will finish in 5th place in Iowa.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 30, 2020, 03:12:59 pm
I guess the question is whether this is an honest attempt to challenge the election results or an attempt to gain favor with the MAGAchuds  in later elections.

Elections analyst Nate Silver said it best:
Hawley seems like the sort of politician who will be heralded by pundits as the new GOP frontrunner in some future election year and then will finish in 5th place in Iowa.

Anybody who tries to partner with Trump is an idiot.  Look how his allies have done... the ones indicted and pardoned, the ones indicted and not pardoned, the ones humiliated, the ones whose careers are over, the laughing stocks, the once-proud who now have MAGA on their resume.

You can think of a dozen or so off the top of your head...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on December 30, 2020, 04:10:00 pm
I guess the question is whether this is an honest attempt to challenge the election results or an attempt to gain favor with the MAGAchuds  in later elections.

Elections analyst Nate Silver said it best:
Hawley seems like the sort of politician who will be heralded by pundits as the new GOP frontrunner in some future election year and then will finish in 5th place in Iowa.

Well I'm certainly voting for the latter. There seems to be absolutely no evidence for voter fraud, but clearly there is for trump's asskissers hoping for a handout if such a silly thing should happen as trump being re elected in 2004. Should that happen I think I will start building a wall.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on December 30, 2020, 08:14:04 pm
Minor nitpick...

Trump already signed the Covid relief bill. (Not that his delays in signing it didn't cause problems.)

The bill that Trump vetoed (and that the house is working to override the veto) was the military spending bill. Trump was complaining because it didn't address section 230 (which has nothing really to do with the military), and also allowed for the renaming of military bases named after confederate generals.
The only way Biden can bring it back to sanity is if: 1) the democrats win the 2 Georgia run-offs, and 2) Biden decides to play "hardball" with congressional republicans. If the Democrats lose in georgia, Moscow Mitch retains control of the senate... so Biden will be blocked when he tries to fix the devastation caused by Trump. And if Biden tries to play 'nice' with the republicans, they will be hamstringing themselves.

Thanks for the update. Hard to keep traxk of all the idiocy occuring while donny swings a golf club.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on December 30, 2020, 08:37:08 pm
Yes and this whole process will hold up progress for hours upon hours simply to reach an already foregone conclusion. And can you imagine, the idiot says he will, and is collecting millions of bucks to support a run in 2004. I wonder if the GOP will have the good sense to put him out to pasture long before then.
Republicans will be lucky if Trump or his successor doesn't split away and do to them what George Wallace did to Democrats. It's still the same basic bloc of disaffected losers throwing themselves off a cliff, hopefully into oblivion once and for all this time.

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Wallace never won the presidency, but the base he mobilized has found a home in today’s Republican Party.

Wallace, unlike trump, never became president or captured a major political party. Where he did succeed was in identifying, organizing, and mobilizing a constituency which, demographically and attitudinally, maintains remarkable continuity with Trump’s constituency today.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/george-wallace-donald-trump/607336/
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on December 31, 2020, 03:29:25 pm
Minor nitpick...

Trump already signed the Covid relief bill. (Not that his delays in signing it didn't cause problems.)

The bill that Trump vetoed (and that the house is working to override the veto) was the military spending bill. Trump was complaining because it didn't address section 230 (which has nothing really to do with the military), and also allowed for the renaming of military bases named after confederate generals.
The only way Biden can bring it back to sanity is if: 1) the democrats win the 2 Georgia run-offs, and 2) Biden decides to play "hardball" with congressional republicans. If the Democrats lose in georgia, Moscow Mitch retains control of the senate... so Biden will be blocked when he tries to fix the devastation caused by Trump. And if Biden tries to play 'nice' with the republicans, they will be hamstringing themselves.
Even if Democrats win both races I. Georgia, they’d still only have a one seat advantage.  He can’t play any kind of hardball because there are several Democrats from red states that won’t go along with it.  Regardless, devastation was caused by covid.  Just like it’s devastated us.  Our economy is in shambles.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on December 31, 2020, 03:53:26 pm
Even if Democrats win both races I. Georgia, they’d still only have a one seat advantage.  He can’t play any kind of hardball because there are several Democrats from red states that won’t go along with it.
You mean the way they voted against impeachment? And the way they voted in favor of the Republican "tax giveaway for millionaires" bill? Or how they voted to confirm the Stepford Wife to the supreme court?

No, wait, Democrats voted unanimously in those cases.

Maybe the democratic senators in the red states aren't as eager to join the republicans as you might think.

 
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Regardless, devastation was caused by covid.  Just like it’s devastated us.  Our economy is in shambles.
First of all, the devastation was caused by more than just Covid. The deficit had spiked thanks to Republican tax cuts for the wealthy. Manufacturing had already entered periods of recession. Respect for America in the world had greatly declined. Millions of people had lost health insurance. And all that happened long before the first person got sick with the Trump virus (as it should be called now),

Secondly, yes, Covid has caused problems. But much of that devastation was enhanced by Stubby McBonespurs and his mismanagement. Had he taken pre-pandemic planning more seriously, had he done more to encourage better practices early on in the pandemic, there would be fewer deaths, and fewer economic problems.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on December 31, 2020, 05:08:32 pm
That cracking sound you hear is the Republican Party splitting into as the newly elected MAGA heads do the bidding of the new emperor at Mar-A-Lago. McConnell is desperately trying to hold on to power and so far failing
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on December 31, 2020, 06:03:52 pm
That cracking sound you hear is the Republican Party splitting into as the newly elected MAGA heads do the bidding of the new emperor at Mar-A-Lago. McConnell is desperately trying to hold on to power and so far failing
The real cracking sound is the imminent battle between AOC and progressives vs Schumer and Pelosi.  Just wait! 😂
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on December 31, 2020, 06:11:51 pm
You mean the way they voted against impeachment? And the way they voted in favor of the Republican "tax giveaway for millionaires" bill? Or how they voted to confirm the Stepford Wife to the supreme court?

No, wait, Democrats voted unanimously in those cases.

Maybe the democratic senators in the red states aren't as eager to join the republicans as you might think.

 First of all, the devastation was caused by more than just Covid. The deficit had spiked thanks to Republican tax cuts for the wealthy. Manufacturing had already entered periods of recession. Respect for America in the world had greatly declined. Millions of people had lost health insurance. And all that happened long before the first person got sick with the Trump virus (as it should be called now),

Secondly, yes, Covid has caused problems. But much of that devastation was enhanced by Stubby McBonespurs and his mismanagement. Had he taken pre-pandemic planning more seriously, had he done more to encourage better practices early on in the pandemic, there would be fewer deaths, and fewer economic problems.
You’re a complete clown.  A brilliant jurist from Notre Dame law school is somehow a stepford wife?  Complete and utter nonsense.  I thought dinosaurs like you had died off years ago!  There was no tax giveaway to millionaires and billionaires.  Every tax rate was lowered.  Regardless, somebody keeping more of their own money isn’t a giveaway.  It’s actually the complete opposite.  Besides, a few red state democrats have already warmed Biden about radical legislation, like the green new deal and court packing.
Actually, before covid, wages had risen the highest on record.  And unemployment was at record lows.  Including black and Hispanic unemployment.  Tax revenue to the government was also setting records.  You gotta stay off of those left wing blogs, or off this forum echo chamber.  You have absolutely no grasp of reality.  You’re a clown show! 🤡
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 01, 2021, 12:22:04 pm
Even Mike Pence has enough sense not to go along with his former boss's nonsensical attempts to thwart the will of the American people.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/pence-trump-election-texas-court-gohmert-b1780345.html

Mike Pence refused to back a last-ditch attempt to overturn the elections in Donald Trump’s favour, revealed documents in a suit filed against the vice president. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 01, 2021, 01:18:20 pm
Even Mike Pence has enough sense not to go along with his former boss's nonsensical attempts to thwart the will of the American people.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/pence-trump-election-texas-court-gohmert-b1780345.html

Mike Pence refused to back a last-ditch attempt to overturn the elections in Donald Trump’s favour, revealed documents in a suit filed against the vice president.

The extent some of these people will go to overturn an election is just mind boggling. Talk about zero respect for their own constitution and democratic process. 20 years ago I would never have believed it, now I'm prepared to believe just about anything of them.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 01, 2021, 01:42:40 pm
The extent some of these people will go to overturn an election is just mind boggling. Talk about zero respect for their own constitution and democratic process. 20 years ago I would never have believed it, now I'm prepared to believe just about anything of them.

Having grown up close to, and many times crossed the US/Canada border I developed a hefty respect and appreciation for our southern neighbor, regardless of which party occupied the White House. Over the last 4 years I have come to have my doubts about such. Hopefully come January 21 I/we can begin to reestablish those feelings.

And Happy New Year to you and yours.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 01, 2021, 03:33:20 pm
I know @Omni ... I feel like I have a family member in the bad books.  We want to take lil Easy to festivals and such over the border... Don't know.

The post I came her to write:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/31/politics/pence-gohmert-electoral-college-lawsuit/index.html

So... Louie Gohmert asks Pence to do something unconstitutional ie. illegal.  Pence says no.  (we're already in crazytown... but there's more)
Louie et. al. SUE PENCE ?!?
Pence now asks the judges to throw out the suit.

...and the MAGA people are online saying "OMG PENCE WAS PART OF THE SWAMP ALL ALONG"

What.  The.  F*ck. 

They are indeed going to become very violent in the middle weeks of January, I'm convinced.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 02, 2021, 08:36:01 am
Trump appointed judge throws out Gohmert's suit on standing, and the plaintiff appeals.

Kracken Team attorney Lin Wood Tweeted that McConnell, Pence should be arrested and **** for treason.

He also tweeted that Chief Justice John Roberts is a **** who purchases children.

The crazy wing is shearing itself off of the Republican Party.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 02, 2021, 11:20:22 am
I think they have taken over the Republican party, rather than split apart from it.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 02, 2021, 11:44:42 am
I think they have taken over the Republican party, rather than split apart from it.

The McConnell+old school+pro-Bush wing will survive, bloodied, IMO
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 02, 2021, 12:16:28 pm
I think they have taken over the Republican party, rather than split apart from it.
Maybe the grand old part just can't bear to be parted from it.  It's more of a stupid merger than a hostile one.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 03, 2021, 12:17:03 am
Trump has apparently orchestrated a revolt against McConnell as  senator Josh Hawley is going to petition the PA.  Now each senator has to stand up and choose between allegiance to the orange man (and his Republican followers) or the system

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/30/politics/josh-hawley-force-votes-electoral-college-results/index.html

with an additional 11 Republican Senators or Senators-Elect now planning to join Senator Josh Hawley (Missouri); the latest additions offering a formal statement of intent to: "support an objection to the Electoral College votes, if one is brought, and propose an election commission to conduct an "emergency 10-day audit" of the election returns in the "disputed states."

=> Republican Senators: Ted Cruz of Texas, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Steve Daines of Montana, John Kennedy of Louisiana, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, and Mike Braun of Indiana

=> Republican Senators-Elect: Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming, Roger Marshall of Kansas, Bill Hagerty of Tennessee and Tommy Tuberville of Alabama

#notACult
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 03, 2021, 12:30:43 am
with an additional 11 Republican Senators or Senators-Elect now planning to join Senator Josh Hawley (Missouri); the latest additions offering a formal statement of intent to: "support an objection to the Electoral College votes, if one is brought, and propose an election commission to conduct an "emergency 10-day audit" of the election returns in the "disputed states."

=> Republican Senators: Ted Cruz of Texas, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Steve Daines of Montana, John Kennedy of Louisiana, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, and Mike Braun of Indiana

=> Republican Senators-Elect: Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming, Roger Marshall of Kansas, Bill Hagerty of Tennessee and Tommy Tuberville of Alabama

#notACult
I think an audit is pretty reasonable.  It’s the only way to correct some of the problems that were experienced during the election.

Just a reminder though, that some Democrats refused to certify the election results in 2016.  As well as 2004 and 2000.  Democrats also spread wild conspiracy theories about the Supreme Court and Diebold voting machines stealing elections, oh my!  But I forgot, when Democrats do it, it’s irrelevant.  When Trump does the same thing it’s aN aTtACk oN dEMocRAcY! 🤣😂
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 03, 2021, 11:53:17 am
I think an audit is pretty reasonable.  It’s the only way to correct some of the problems that were experienced during the election.

"pretty reasonable" - yabut, there's been no evidence presented to support claims of fraud... or your vague of vague suggestion of "the problems".

Trump And The GOP Have Now Lost More Than 50 60 Post-Election Lawsuits (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/08/trump-and-the-gop-have-now-lost-50-post-election-lawsuits/?sh=eab7cb429606)

Just a reminder though, that some Democrats refused to certify the election results in 2016.  As well as 2004 and 2000.  Democrats also spread wild conspiracy theories about the Supreme Court and Diebold voting machines stealing elections, oh my!  But I forgot, when Democrats do it, it’s irrelevant.  When Trump does the same thing it’s aN aTtACk oN dEMocRAcY! 🤣😂

whataboutism; notwithstanding those 2000/2004 expressed concerns don't scale/rank in comparative proportion to today's Trump & supporters antics!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 03, 2021, 11:57:59 am
The McConnell+old school+pro-Bush wing will survive, bloodied, IMO

Steve Schmidt, prominent former Republican & current anti-Trump member of the Lincoln Project, has a different take as expressed in this 8 tweet thread roll-up - stating the Republican Party will be 'destroyed':

(https://i.imgur.com/ESBYOTP.png)

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 03, 2021, 12:37:02 pm
I think an audit is pretty reasonable.  It’s the only way to correct some of the problems that were experienced during the election.

Just a reminder though, that some Democrats refused to certify the election results in 2016.  As well as 2004 and 2000.  Democrats also spread wild conspiracy theories about the Supreme Court and Diebold voting machines stealing elections, oh my!  But I forgot, when Democrats do it, it’s irrelevant.  When Trump does the same thing it’s aN aTtACk oN dEMocRAcY! 🤣😂

So make audits mandatory for all elections and for all states, including the ones the whiny loser won. Because that is what you are advocating.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 03, 2021, 01:11:33 pm
Wow, just heard a "breaking news" segment where a reporter for The WAPO plays excerpts from a phone conversation between donny and the sec, of state of Georgia where trump at one point threatens and then later compliments in an attempt to convince the secretarry to "tilt" the election there in his favor. Can't wait until the full version is made public.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 03, 2021, 01:30:42 pm
Trump could face lawsuits and criminal charges based on his comments on this tape.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 03, 2021, 01:56:09 pm
Wow, just heard a "breaking news" segment where a reporter for The WAPO plays excerpts from a phone conversation between donny and the sec, of state of Georgia where trump at one point threatens and then later compliments in an attempt to convince the secretarry to "tilt" the election there in his favor. Can't wait until the full version is made public.

bloody hell! Audio of recording (from Saturday, yesterday) obtained by WAPO... where Trump alternately berates, begs and threatens Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensberger... "I just want to find 11,780 votes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hrN0cP58Y
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: JMT on January 03, 2021, 02:05:35 pm
It's an unreal recording. Totally Orwellian.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 03, 2021, 02:10:22 pm
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 03, 2021, 02:56:25 pm
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

They sure as hell should. I would say threatening a person with the power secretary of a state to do what he asks is criminal. I have heard comments from some of the legal beagles that it very well could be prosecuted but probably wouldn't amount to a conviction given the circumstances, but if his reputation wasn't already in the dump this should move it further that way.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 03, 2021, 02:57:51 pm
Oh... SHOULD... Right ::)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: JMT on January 03, 2021, 03:06:55 pm
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

You would think so.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 03, 2021, 03:14:59 pm
earlier today, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution also received a copy of the taped recording (https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/trump-demands-georgia-elections-official-overturn-his-defeat-in-hourlong-call/6MRGK445JNAGHBL2HXLZ3FIVZU/)

with a couple of additional gems noted in the linked article:

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Among the people on the call were Raffensperger, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and several aides and attorneys. Seeking to defuse the tension, Meadows urged Georgia officials “in the spirit of cooperation and compromise” to find a path forward that doesn’t involve the court system.

“We don’t agree that you have one, Raffensperger responded

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Later, close to the end of the conversation, Raffensperger interjected that Trump was falling victim to false conspiracy theories he’s seen on Twitter.

“Mr. President, the problem you have with social media is that people can say anything.”

No, this isn’t social media. This is Trump media,” the president responded. “You should want to have an accurate election and you’re a Republican.”

“We believe we do have an accurate election,” Raffensperger replied.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 03, 2021, 05:12:32 pm
You would think so.
I think there's a better chance of Trump suffocating under a flurry of panties from his supporters over something like this.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 03, 2021, 05:42:42 pm
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

impeach his azz! Oh... wait... carry on!

per United States Code (USC) - a consolidation and codification by subject matter of the general and permanent laws of the United States; as prepared by the Office of the Law Revision
Counsel of the United States House of Representatives:
(https://i.imgur.com/8sMtX4G.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 03, 2021, 06:03:56 pm
He would simply resign and Pence would then pardon him.

Better to wait a bit...   like only a few weeks.  Then their can be hearings and the Justice Dept. can pursue the matter without the risk of a pardon.

If the Dems are feeling generous, they can convict the prick and then Biden could pardon him...  after a few months in the slammer maybe...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 03, 2021, 07:45:00 pm
He would simply resign and Pence would then pardon him.

Better to wait a bit...   like only a few weeks.  Then their can be hearings and the Justice Dept. can pursue the matter without the risk of a pardon.

If the Dems are feeling generous, they can convict the prick and then Biden could pardon him...  after a few months in the slammer maybe...

Hope he stays, then he can be convicted. Biden can commute his sentence but he'll still be a convicted felon.

On the other hand, if there are any skeletons in Biden's closet that might require a future pardon, he won't want to go too hard on Trump.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 03, 2021, 08:25:10 pm
On the other hand, if there are any skeletons in Biden's closet that might require a future pardon, he won't want to go too hard on Trump.
That's a bit 'if'.

Biden has been around the Washington political scene for decades. His terms as a senator and a VP have probably assured that if there were any skeletons in Biden's closet (at least ones that were criminal in nature) they would have been dug up years ago. I am pretty sure biden is in the clear.

Besides, why would you expect any sort of 'quid pro quo' over this? Even if Biden goes easy, it doesn't mean that a future president (either Democrat or republican) would do the same for him. Heck, given the fact that republicans were quite happy to have Ukraine try to dig up FAKE dirt on the Biden family, they would be happy to prosecute him over any real dirt (if it existed.)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 03, 2021, 08:47:00 pm
That's a bit 'if'.

Biden has been around the Washington political scene for decades. His terms as a senator and a VP have probably assured that if there were any skeletons in Biden's closet (at least ones that were criminal in nature) they would have been dug up years ago. I am pretty sure biden is in the clear.

Besides, why would you expect any sort of 'quid pro quo' over this? Even if Biden goes easy, it doesn't mean that a future president (either Democrat or republican) would do the same for him. Heck, given the fact that republicans were quite happy to have Ukraine try to dig up FAKE dirt on the Biden family, they would be happy to prosecute him over any real dirt (if it existed.)

The thing is, it would set a precedent for all future presidents, it wouldn't be just about Trump and Biden. I don't know what Biden might do but it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 03, 2021, 10:01:14 pm
The thing is, it would set a precedent for all future presidents, it wouldn't be just about Trump and Biden. I don't know what Biden might do but it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Yeah but I think any and all political norms have been demolished in the United States.

Hyperpartisanship, dirty tricks, rank hypocrisy, a racist con-artist for president, and republicans in congress who enabled the worst of Trump's excesses are what the Republicans are all about. (And while the Democrats may not be perfect, their faults pale in comparison to the republicans.)

Whatever 'precedents' Biden might set, they will be ignored by the republicans if they think it gives them an political advantage. Remember, they are the party that were eager to impeach Clinton over a stained dress (technically a slightly different crime, but the thought is the same) yet thought it was wrong to impeach Trump over trying to blackmail a foreign country to interfere in the election.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 03, 2021, 11:28:34 pm
Trump is living in a dream world post-election and he's trying to convince everyone else of his BS.  He's a classic con-man.  The recording of him is disgusting.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 03, 2021, 11:47:17 pm
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

impeach his azz! Oh... wait... carry on!

{federal law} per United States Code (USC) - a consolidation and codification by subject matter of the general and permanent laws of the United States; as prepared by the Office of the Law Revision
Counsel of the United States House of Representatives:
(https://i.imgur.com/8sMtX4G.png)

{Georgia state law}:

(https://i.imgur.com/AJKCZTm.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 04, 2021, 10:03:45 am
He would simply resign and Pence would then pardon him.

Better to wait a bit...   like only a few weeks.  Then their can be hearings and the Justice Dept. can pursue the matter without the risk of a pardon.

If the Dems are feeling generous, they can convict the prick and then Biden could pardon him...  after a few months in the slammer maybe...

How? You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a federal crime.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 04, 2021, 10:04:46 am
Yeah but I think any and all political norms have been demolished in the United States.

Hyperpartisanship, dirty tricks, rank hypocrisy, a racist con-artist for president, and republicans in congress who enabled the worst of Trump's excesses are what the Republicans are all about. (And while the Democrats may not be perfect, their faults pale in comparison to the republicans.)

Whatever 'precedents' Biden might set, they will be ignored by the republicans if they think it gives them an political advantage. Remember, they are the party that were eager to impeach Clinton over a stained dress (technically a slightly different crime, but the thought is the same) yet thought it was wrong to impeach Trump over trying to blackmail a foreign country to interfere in the election.

Yeah only the Dems have to abide by norms and precedent. That's part of the whole controlled opposition bit.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 04, 2021, 10:21:30 am
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He would simply resign and Pence would then pardon him.
How? You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a federal crime.
Actually you can. In fact you don't even have to list specific crimes... you can just issue a 'blanket pardon' for any and all crimes a person (or persons) may have committed.

Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon, even though there were no criminal charges immediately pending. And Jimmy Carter pardoned all Vietnam war Draft dodgers, even though many of them were out of the country and/or not in jail or even indicted.

From: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/blanket-pardons/
Q: Can a president issue a blanket pardon to an individual for crimes that may have been committed in the past but have not yet been discovered?
A: Yes. That’s just what Gerald Ford did when he granted “a full, free, and absolute pardon” to Richard Nixon for crimes he “has committed or may have committed” while in office.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 04, 2021, 10:42:11 am
How? You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a federal crime.

Yes, they can. Nixon hadn’t been convicted yet.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 04, 2021, 11:39:32 am
Trump pardoned Flynn for "any and all possible offences". Yes, they are that blatant about their criminality.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 04, 2021, 12:24:24 pm
How? You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a federal crime.

Actually you can. In fact you don't even have to list specific crimes... you can just issue a 'blanket pardon' for any and all crimes a person (or persons) may have committed.

Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon, even though there were no criminal charges immediately pending. And Jimmy Carter pardoned all Vietnam war Draft dodgers, even though many of them were out of the country and/or not in jail or even indicted.

From: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/blanket-pardons/
Q: Can a president issue a blanket pardon to an individual for crimes that may have been committed in the past but have not yet been discovered?
A: Yes. That’s just what Gerald Ford did when he granted “a full, free, and absolute pardon” to Richard Nixon for crimes he “has committed or may have committed” while in office.


I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: kimmy on January 05, 2021, 09:55:36 am
Hey, Shady:  after reading the transcript of the Trump call to Georgia, are you starting to understand why the problem with Trump goes far beyond him having "a bad personality"?

 -k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 10:50:30 am
Hey, Shady:  after reading the transcript of the Trump call to Georgia, are you starting to understand why the problem with Trump goes far beyond him having "a bad personality"?

 -k
No, it’s actually the complete opposite.  If you listen to the whole call, it’s much ado about nothing.  Under Georgia law, if there is an amount of illegal votes greater than the total you’re losing by, you may seek a re-do of the election.  Trump lists the various amounts of possible illegal votes, including thousands of votes by mail from PO Boxes, which is illegal.  I think the total they list is over 100,000 possible illegal votes.  He says he just needs 11,000.  Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.  Trump derangement syndrome is a terrible thing.  Listen to the WHOLE call, not just the clip CNN wants you to hear.  Rest assured my Trump deranged concern trolls.  If there are in fact no illegal votes, than Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in January 16th. 😂
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 10:58:38 am
No, it’s actually the  complete opposite.  If you listen to the whole call, it’s much ado about nothing.  Under Georgia law, if there is an amount of illegal votes greater than the total you’re losing by, you may seek a re-do of the election.  Trump lists the various amounts of possible illegal votes, including thousands of votes by mail from PO Boxes, which is illegal.  I think the total they list is over 100,000 possible illegal votes.  He says he just needs 11,000.  Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.  Trump derangement syndrome is a terrible thing.  Listen to the WHOLE call, not just the clip CNN wants you to hear.  Rest assured my Trump deranged concern trolls.  If there are in fact no illegal votes, than Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in January 16th. 😂

Shady, there have been three recounts including hand counts. Trump has provided no evidence of anything other than his own desire to overturn the result anyway possible, even illegally.  What you are displaying is Trump Dementia Syndrome.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 11:22:41 am
Shady, there have been three recounts including hand counts. Trump has provided no evidence of anything other than his own desire to overturn the result anyway possible, even illegally.  What you are displaying is Trump Dementia Syndrome.
Yes, that’s why I assume there can’t be that many P.O. Box mail in votes.  That’s why the concern trolls can rest easy, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 16th.  This is much ado about nothing.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 05, 2021, 11:31:02 am
Yes, that’s why I assume there can’t be that many P.O. Box mail in votes.  That’s why the concern trolls can rest easy, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 16th.  This is much ado about nothing.

Actually inauguration day is Jan. 20 but it seems you are not terribly aware of a number of things including law. For instance saying that it's OK for trumpty dumpty to threaten the sec. of state if he can't "find" 11,000 plus votes is a glaring example. Donny could go to jail for various things that occured on that phone call.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 12:01:59 pm
Actually inauguration day is Jan. 20 but it seems you are not terribly aware of a number of things including law. For instance saying that it's OK for trumpty dumpty to threaten the sec. of state if he can't "find" 11,000 plus votes is a glaring example. Donny could go to jail for various things that occured on that phone call.
Complete nonsense.  You probably haven’t actually heard the whole call.  But you’re right, I mean January 20th.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 12:23:34 pm
Yes, that’s why I assume there can’t be that many P.O. Box mail in votes.  That’s why the concern trolls can rest easy, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 16th.  This is much ado about nothing.

So let's do another recount in every state, including the states Trump won, it's only fair. How many recounts have been called for and court cases filed by Democrats? For Trumpites, the only fair elections are the ones they win.

What they really want is a single party state with Trump leader for life. Which would make the US exactly like China.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 05, 2021, 12:29:02 pm
Complete nonsense.  You probably haven’t actually heard the whole call.  But you’re right, I mean January 20th.
I listened. He sounded totally looped out of his mind. There was no added context though, other than the typical BS allegations. That's why you can't clearly express what that added context was...other than repeating the bogus, unsubstantiated crap.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 12:34:04 pm
I listened. He sounded totally looped out of his mind. There was no added context though, other than the typical BS allegations. That's why you can't clearly express what that added context was...other than repeating the bogus, unsubstantiated crap.
It doesn’t sound as though you have heard the whole call either.  Probably the same selectively edited CNN clip.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 05, 2021, 12:37:12 pm
Complete nonsense.  You probably haven’t actually heard the whole call.  But you’re right, I mean January 20th.

Not sure what you think is nonsense. I think we've all heard the section of the call where donny suggests the secretary "find" the 11k plus votes he needs to win Ga., after the votes have been counted at least 3 times. Donny lost fair and square and now he is suggesting an illegal action to try and overturn that. Now there is some actual nonsense. And as previously pointed out, it's illegal nonsense.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 12:41:35 pm
Not sure what you think is nonsense. I think we've all heard the section of the call where donny suggests the secretary "find" the 11k plus votes he needs to win Ga., after the votes have been counted at least 3 times. Donny lost fair and square and now he is suggesting an illegal action to try and overturn that. Now there is some actual nonsense. And as previously pointed out, it's illegal nonsense.
Counting votes from P.O. Boxes several times doesn’t address the issue.  Pun intended.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 05, 2021, 01:05:23 pm
Counting votes from P.O. Boxes several times doesn’t address the issue.  Pun intended.

why would all those Georgia Republican election officials be unable to do yet another re-do and find Trump those 12,000 votes? Must be deepStaters, hey!

Trump & supporters have now lost more than 60 court cases; where judges appointed by Republican politicians ruled on many of those... in some cases, judges actually appointed by Trump himself. Must be deepStaters, hey!

AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s made-up claims of fake Georgia votes (https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-georgia-elections-atlanta-c23d10e5299e14daee6109885f7dafa9)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 05, 2021, 01:43:15 pm
why would all those Georgia Republican election officials be unable to do yet another re-do and find Trump those 12,000 votes?


Fake news alert!!

Trump was only asking for 11,780 fraudulent votes!!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 01:50:00 pm
why would all those Georgia Republican election officials be unable to do yet another re-do and find Trump those 12,000 votes? Must be deepStaters, hey!

Trump & supporters have now lost more than 60 court cases; where judges appointed by Republican politicians ruled on many of those... in some cases, judges actually appointed by Trump himself. Must be deepStaters, hey!

AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s made-up claims of fake Georgia votes (https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-georgia-elections-atlanta-c23d10e5299e14daee6109885f7dafa9)
Yes, and?  Sounds to me like the process is working.  You challenge things in court, and win or lose based on the facts.  Like I’ve said, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 20th.  You concern trolls can take a rest.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 05, 2021, 01:53:03 pm
Yes, and?  Sounds to me like the process is working.  You challenge things in court, and win or lose based on the facts.  Like I’ve said, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 20th.  You concern trolls can take a rest.
Nobody is denying that Trump's attempts to undermine the integrity of elections and the democratic system will fail because of their stupidity and incompetence. Once again, you completely miss the point.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 05, 2021, 01:54:20 pm
Yes, and?  Sounds to me like the process is working.  You challenge things in court, and win or lose based on the facts.  Like I’ve said, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 20th.  You concern trolls can take a rest.

The fact that the fraud doesn’t work doesn’t make it any less fraudulent.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 05, 2021, 02:05:56 pm
The fact that the fraud doesn’t work doesn’t make it any less fraudulent.

I'm hearing weird things with meeting agendas and tricky bullshit, having people not show up etc.

I feel like they're going to try something.

Keep in mind this is where the strategists love to play... :(
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 05, 2021, 02:06:03 pm
Yes, and?  Sounds to me like the process is working.  You challenge things in court, and win or lose based on the facts.  Like I’ve said, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 20th.  You concern trolls can take a rest.

He will be sworn in Jan. 20 because, both the people and EC voted him to be sworn in. Donny somehow can't seem to get that through his thick skull. He has already tried a number of times in court and has been laughed off each time. I bet the majority of intelligent Americans are wondering "how did we **** up so badly 4 years ago?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia.html

Mr. Trump, who has spent almost nine weeks making false conspiracy claims about his loss to President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr., told Brad Raffensperger, the state’s top elections official, that he should recalculate the vote count so Mr. Trump, not Mr. Biden, would end up winning the state’s 16 electoral votes.

“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Mr. Trump said during the conversation, according to a recording first obtained by The Washington Post, which published it online Sunday. The New York Times also acquired a recording of Mr.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 02:39:07 pm
I'm hearing weird things with meeting agendas and tricky bullshit, having people not show up etc.

I feel like they're going to try something.

Keep in mind this is where the strategists love to play... :(
Sounds like a conspiracy theory! 🤣
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 02:41:31 pm
He will be sworn in Jan. 20 because, both the people and EC voted him to be sworn in. Donny somehow can't seem to get that through his thick skull. He has already tried a number of times in court and has been laughed off each time. I bet the majority of intelligent Americans are wondering "how did we **** up so badly 4 years ago?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia.html

Mr. Trump, who has spent almost nine weeks making false conspiracy claims about his loss to President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr., told Brad Raffensperger, the state’s top elections official, that he should recalculate the vote count so Mr. Trump, not Mr. Biden, would end up winning the state’s 16 electoral votes.

“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Mr. Trump said during the conversation, according to a recording first obtained by The Washington Post, which published it online Sunday. The New York Times also acquired a recording of Mr.
And your concern has been noted.  It’s irrelevant as Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in a couple of weeks.  It’s almost as bad as the Democrats spreading false claims about the election in 2016, 2004 and 2000 and voting to not certify election results.  Hypocrite much?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 02:43:14 pm
Nobody is denying that Trump's attempts to undermine the integrity of elections and the democratic system will fail because of their stupidity and incompetence. Once again, you completely miss the point.
Oh for sure.  He probably got the idea from Democrats who undermined election results in 2016, 2004 and 2000.  Voting not to certify results each time.  Oh my!  Hypocrite much?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 05, 2021, 03:03:37 pm
Sounds like a conspiracy theory! 🤣

It is one.  But with the veneer of reality.  And we'll know within 24 hours if it's true... until 9/11 or (!) JFK lone gunman... which people will be talking about in 100 years
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 05, 2021, 03:09:07 pm
Oh for sure.  He probably got the idea from Democrats who undermined election results in 2016, 2004 and 2000.  Voting not to certify results each time.  Oh my!  Hypocrite much?

How many Democratic senators backed the objections?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 05, 2021, 03:13:29 pm
And your concern has been noted.  It’s irrelevant as Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in a couple of weeks.  It’s almost as bad as the Democrats spreading false claims about the election in 2016, 2004 and 2000 and voting to not certify election results.  Hypocrite much?

Not even close shady, for instance the doubt of voting in '04 ended when Kerry phoned and conceded the election to Bush the day after. I think your donny NARCISIST trump who has set a new record of trying to destroy democracy. Luckily his ass gets kicked down the road in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 03:27:46 pm
Hillary called Trump and conceded on Nov 9.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 03:42:55 pm
Not even close shady, for instance the doubt of voting in '04 ended when Kerry phoned and conceded the election to Bush the day after. I think your donny NARCISIST trump who has set a new record of trying to destroy democracy. Luckily his ass gets kicked down the road in a couple of weeks.
Right.  The Democrat candidates are just smart enough to have other members of their party push the stolen election message.  Long time California senator Barbara Boxer led the fight in 2004.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 03:44:10 pm
It is one.  But with the veneer of reality.  And we'll know within 24 hours if it's true... until 9/11 or (!) JFK lone gunman... which people will be talking about in 100 years
Don’t forget the Diebold voting machines in 2004, and the Russians in 2016! 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 03:48:43 pm
Hillary called Trump and conceded on Nov 9.
Yes she did.  And then went on to promote the idea that Russia stole the election.  So conceding initially and then undermining the election after that is acceptable?  It’s ok to say the election was stolen, and that Trump is illegitimate for four years as long as you’ve conceded at least once?  Is there a rule book or something?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 05, 2021, 03:52:24 pm
Right.  The Democrat candidates are just smart enough to have other members of their party push the stolen election message.  Long time California senator Barbara Boxer led the fight in 2004.

And the GOP candidates are just not smart enough to not follow her role model. unfortunately this time around the dumb shyte goes right to the top of the party.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 05, 2021, 04:03:13 pm
Yes she did.  And then went on to promote the idea that Russia stole the election.  So conceding initially and then undermining the election after that is acceptable?  It’s ok to say the election was stolen, and that Trump is illegitimate for four years as long as you’ve conceded at least once?  Is there a rule book or something?
I realize it's a concept you struggle with, but it depends on whether what they say is true or not. We determine truth based on evidence. There was plenty of evidence that Russia interfered in the election to favour Trump. There has been no evidence of significant voter fraud in this election.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 05, 2021, 05:00:05 pm
No, it’s actually the complete opposite.  If you listen to the whole call, it’s much ado about nothing.  Under Georgia law, if there is an amount of illegal votes greater than the total you’re losing by, you may seek a re-do of the election.  Trump lists the various amounts of possible illegal votes, including thousands of votes by mail from PO Boxes, which is illegal.  I think the total they list is over 100,000 possible illegal votes.  He says he just needs 11,000.  Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.  Trump derangement syndrome is a terrible thing.  Listen to the WHOLE call, not just the clip CNN wants you to hear.  Rest assured my Trump deranged concern trolls.  If there are in fact no illegal votes, than Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in January 16th. 😂

I dunno, the fact the president of the united States is not just reading but buying into bogus internet conspiracy theories about illegal votes and is trying to undermine the results of an election on that basis seems like A Problem to me. That said, it's really **** funny that he's reduced to the level of a doddering, senile old grandpa sending you a email at 2 a.m. with the subject "FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: have you seen this???"


Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 05, 2021, 05:03:10 pm
I'm hearing weird things with meeting agendas and tricky bullshit, having people not show up etc.

I feel like they're going to try something.

Keep in mind this is where the strategists love to play... :(

This could be the biggest buildup to the next season of The Apprentice we've ever witnessed  :D
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 05, 2021, 05:08:13 pm
I wonder if Trump will booby-trap the oval office for Biden.  Itching powder on the chair?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 05:16:28 pm
This could be the biggest buildup to the next season of The Apprentice we've ever witnessed  :D
100%
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 05:18:19 pm
WHISTLEBLOWER: I Drove 'Thousands of Ballots' From New York to Pennsylvania

On Tuesday, a truck driver testified that he had driven thousands of ballots from Bethpage, N.Y., to Lancaster, Pa., two weeks before Election Day. Phill Kline, a former attorney general of Kansas and director of The Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society, said The Amistad Project has corroborated the truck driver’s story.

https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/12/01/whistleblower-i-drove-thousands-of-ballots-from-new-york-to-pennsylvania-n1184008
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 05:20:37 pm
Yes she did.  And then went on to promote the idea that Russia stole the election.  So conceding initially and then undermining the election after that is acceptable?  It’s ok to say the election was stolen, and that Trump is illegitimate for four years as long as you’ve conceded at least once?  Is there a rule book or something?

She conceded Shady. She didn't claim she won.

Russian interference in the election was an established fact, confirmed by every US intelligence agency and Mueller.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 05:21:57 pm
WHISTLEBLOWER: I Drove 'Thousands of Ballots' From New York to Pennsylvania

On Tuesday, a truck driver testified that he had driven thousands of ballots from Bethpage, N.Y., to Lancaster, Pa., two weeks before Election Day. Phill Kline, a former attorney general of Kansas and director of The Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society, said The Amistad Project has corroborated the truck driver’s story.

https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/12/01/whistleblower-i-drove-thousands-of-ballots-from-new-york-to-pennsylvania-n1184008

So present the evidence in court. Oh wait, they never do.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 05:25:51 pm
The Amistad Project. The same wankers who want to appoint their own electors,  but only in states they lost of course.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 05:38:41 pm
So present the evidence in court. Oh wait, they never do.
What evidence would there be?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 05, 2021, 05:42:09 pm
What evidence would there be?
Sworn testimony. Or a lawyer who will touch it. You have neither. Just a link from an alt-right blog.  :D
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 05, 2021, 05:43:00 pm
She conceded Shady. She didn't claim she won.

Russian interference in the election was an established fact, confirmed by every US intelligence agency and Mueller.
What interference?  What do you mean by interference?  Please define it.  Every intelligence agency?  What did the coast guard intelligence have to say about it?  What about border patrol?  How did Mueller confirm this so-called interference?  Please be specific.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 05:43:45 pm
What evidence would there be?

You need evidence in courts Shady. Will he say the same thing under oath in a court?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 05:47:09 pm
What interference?  What do you mean by interference?  Please define it.  Every intelligence agency?  What did the coast guard intelligence have to say about it?  What about border patrol?  How did Mueller confirm this so-called interference?  Please be specific.  Thanks.

Come on Shady.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-report-russian-interference-2016-us-election/

The Senate Intelligence Committee. You know, the Republican dominated Senate

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it concluded, as have other assessments of Russia's efforts, that Moscow "engaged in an aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election."
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 05:57:33 pm
Some more.

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"WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian influence campaign and very likely knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort," the report said. "Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks's planned releases through Roger Stone."


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It said Mr. Trump "directed" campaign officials to stay in touch with Stone, who also made numerous phone calls to Mr. Trump personally throughout the spring of 2016, according to the report. Its authors described the Trump campaign as being "elated" by the news of WikiLeaks' planned releases, noting its senior officials appeared largely "indifferent to the significance of acquiring, promoting, or disseminating materials from a Russian intelligence services hack-and-leak campaign."

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 05, 2021, 05:58:14 pm

https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/12/01/whistleblower-i-drove-thousands-of-ballots-from-new-york-to-pennsylvania-n1184008


This publication also says Jesus was white.  LOL

https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/01/01/bbc-says-jesus-was-a-black-palestinian-n1297980

That should tell you something about this particular crackpot conservative bat-**** crazy “news” outlet.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 06:25:15 pm

This publication also says Jesus was white.  LOL

https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/01/01/bbc-says-jesus-was-a-black-palestinian-n1297980

That should tell you something about this particular crackpot conservative bat-**** crazy “news” outlet.

Do we know what colour ancient Judeans were?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 05, 2021, 07:45:57 pm
Do we know what colour ancient Judeans were?

Yes.  Likely olive brown, generally they had dark hair and dark eyes.

(https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/461A/production/_87264971_jesus_bbc.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 05, 2021, 08:58:02 pm
Yes.  Likely olive brown, generally they had dark hair and dark eyes.

(https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/461A/production/_87264971_jesus_bbc.jpg)

A best guess, certainly there is  no reason to assume he was white.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 05, 2021, 09:48:18 pm
What interference?  What do you mean by interference?  Please define it.  Every intelligence agency?  What did the coast guard intelligence have to say about it?  What about border patrol?  How did Mueller confirm this so-called interference?  Please be specific.  Thanks.

Hey dumb dumb, the first page of the Mueller report says:

"The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion."

You can read the whole thing online, it details precisely what forms that interference took.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: kimmy on January 05, 2021, 11:17:43 pm
The Democrats look likely to win both Georgia senate seats tonight.  Warnock leads Loeffler by over 30000. Perdue has a 1800 vote lead over Ossoff, but with mostly urban areas left to count, that will likely swing to Ossoff's favor before long.

 -k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 05, 2021, 11:47:38 pm
The Democrats look likely to win both Georgia senate seats tonight.  Warnock leads Loeffler by over 30000. Perdue has a 1800 vote lead over Ossoff, but with mostly urban areas left to count, that will likely swing to Ossoff's favor before long.

 -k

Perdue lead down to 1200 now. Trump already tweeting shyte about bogus ballots. I bet there are republican senators cussing trump under their breath just now.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 06, 2021, 12:01:37 am
The Democrats look likely to win both Georgia senate seats tonight.  Warnock leads Loeffler by over 30000. Perdue has a 1800 vote lead over Ossoff, but with mostly urban areas left to count, that will likely swing to Ossoff's favor before long.

 -k
(OOps... hit the dislike for this posting rather than the like. My mistake)

Yup... looks like the Democrats are going to win the senate.

After so much disappointment in the general election (Biden didn't make as many inroads into places like Florida as hoped, Democrats lost house seats, and they failed to take the Senate back in November), it looks like there is finally hope for American democracy. Democrats will have control of both the white house and congress, and Biden will have roughly 2 years to try to fix the damage caused by Stubby McBonespurs.

(I say 2 year, because the Democrats have a slim majority in the house, and the party that holds the white house tends to lose seats in the midterms. Sadly there is a good chance Republicans will retake the house in 2022.)

And its quite possible that Trump may have been the cause of the Republican losses... first with his $2000 stimulus check game, and with his call to the Georgia Secretary of State (not to mention his general complaints about "rigged elections").

Hopefully the first thing that Biden does is start the process of granting statehood Puerto Rico (and perhaps Washington DC). Shouldn't be too difficult... a recent referendum in Puerto Rico showed the majority supported statehood, and it can largely be done through legislation. This would give extra seats in congress that would probably be reliably Democratic for at least the next few election cycles (not to mention electoral college votes), and might give the Democrats a better shot at holding onto power.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 06, 2021, 08:51:15 am
Today is peak Schadenfreude for those who hate Trump.

Check his Twitter, he's having quite a moment.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 09:33:41 am
So how long before the cries of fraud and the lawsuits begin?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: JMT on January 06, 2021, 09:45:47 am
So how long before the cries of fraud and the lawsuits begin?

It already started last night.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 10:34:05 am
Can't wait to see the Dems use this hammerlock on the government to do absolutely **** bugger all.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 06, 2021, 10:53:35 am
So how long before the cries of fraud and the lawsuits begin?

Trump has already begun that. Just look up his tweets from this am and it's all phony ballets etc., etc.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 11:00:09 am
Interested to see if the GOP blames Trump for losing the senate and if it will make them rethink their commitment to racism and fraud just kidding we know they're going to just lean into it more.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 06, 2021, 11:04:23 am
Interested to see if the GOP blames Trump for losing the senate and if it will make them rethink their commitment to racism and fraud just kidding we know they're going to just lean into it more.

That's why this is popcorn time.

Today, Trump is forcing the GOP to pledge fealty to him. Anyone who doesn't will face the wrath of MAGA.

I can see a third party sprouting from this.

Honestly how many of the people that voted for Trump did so just because he's on a certain team. And how many did just because he's Trump, there's a stark divide.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 06, 2021, 11:20:46 am
earlier from today's Save America rally: Republican Congressman, 'Mo Brooks' (R - Alabama)... "today is the day that American Patriots start taking down names and kicking azz!" (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1346822979267784705/pu/vid/628x346/lPBa-uF2T8TmR-la.mp4?tag=10)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 11:46:56 am
That's why this is popcorn time.

Today, Trump is forcing the GOP to pledge fealty to him. Anyone who doesn't will face the wrath of MAGA.

I can see a third party sprouting from this.

Honestly how many of the people that voted for Trump did so just because he's on a certain team. And how many did just because he's Trump, there's a stark divide.

I don't see a third party situation developing because the system is geared to operate with two parties. What we'll probably see is the GOP simply completely give itself to Trumpism moreso than it already has. It probably won't work because none of the ghouls like Hawley or Cruz or that weird giraffe looking ass freak have Trump's juice but they have no other path forward. In practical terms this means they will attempt to restrict the franchise as much as possible and continue to engage in conspiratorial fear-mongering to energize their tiny base.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 06, 2021, 11:58:35 am
I don't see a third party situation developing because the system is geared to operate with two parties. What we'll probably see is the GOP simply completely give itself to Trumpism moreso than it already has. It probably won't work because none of the ghouls like Hawley or Cruz or that weird giraffe looking ass freak have Trump's juice but they have no other path forward. In practical terms this means they will attempt to restrict the franchise as much as possible and continue to engage in conspiratorial fear-mongering to energize their tiny base.

That's a possibility.

Then the Centre of the GOP moves to the Democrats. That's bad news for the "Squad" as the DNC will be overtaken by former Republicans that just hate Trump.

As a "Conservative" I really enjoy following the Lincoln Project. A group of former Republicans who don't want to be associated with the Party of Trump. They're quite effective. Some have even become Democrats.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 12:06:55 pm
That's a possibility.

Then the Centre of the GOP moves to the Democrats. That's bad news for the "Squad" as the DNC will be overtaken by former Republicans that just hate Trump.


I mean, that's basically the DNC now. And if they continue to lurch rightward and alienate their natural core constituencies, they will simply continue to keep the insane GOP competitive.

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As a "Conservative" I really enjoy following the Lincoln Project. A group of former Republicans who don't want to be associated with the Party of Trump. They're quite effective. Some have even become Democrats.

Counterpoint: they are useless grifters who did nothing but suck money away from actual Democrats. The Lincoln Project raised $67 million. 93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 06, 2021, 12:26:00 pm
93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.

I would suggest that the overwhelming support Trump receives from his party is because people who don't support Trump leave the party.

We see what happens when Trump isn't given unwavering support.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 06, 2021, 12:50:33 pm
I mean, that's basically the DNC now. And if they continue to lurch rightward and alienate their natural core constituencies, they will simply continue to keep the insane GOP competitive.

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As a "Conservative" I really enjoy following the Lincoln Project. A group of former Republicans who don't want to be associated with the Party of Trump. They're quite effective. Some have even become Democrats.
Counterpoint: they are useless grifters who did nothing but suck money away from actual Democrats. The Lincoln Project raised $67 million. 93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.
First of all, as another poster pointed out, the increase in Republican support for Trump probably has as much to do with people leaving the republican party as it does people liking Trump more.

Secondly, even if republican voters were only one bloc... any advertising campaign has to worry about independent voters, as well as Democrats (who may  not vote Trump, but may need some encouragement to go to the polls.)

Now, were their ads effective? It is hard to say. Negative ads can work (Willy Horton says hi!), and it seems like the ones put out by the Lincoln project were more memorable than the Democratic ones. But since there were so many things going on in the 2020 election (Covid, impeachment, fake Hunter Biden scandal) that it is hard to say whether the Lincoln project ads affected the end result at all. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it was wrong for them to try.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 01:01:11 pm
I would suggest that the overwhelming support Trump receives from his party is because people who don't support Trump leave the party.

We see what happens when Trump isn't given unwavering support.

I haven't seen any evidence that there was a formal exodus of Republican never Trumpers from the party itself.  They may have voted for the other guy for POTUS but as far as party allegiance goes, they're still GOP.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 01:05:53 pm
First of all, as another poster pointed out, the increase in Republican support for Trump probably has as much to do with people leaving the republican party as it does people liking Trump more.

Secondly, even if republican voters were only one bloc... any advertising campaign has to worry about independent voters, as well as Democrats (who may  not vote Trump, but may need some encouragement to go to the polls.)

Now, were their ads effective? It is hard to say. Negative ads can work (Willy Horton says hi!), and it seems like the ones put out by the Lincoln project were more memorable than the Democratic ones. But since there were so many things going on in the 2020 election (Covid, impeachment, fake Hunter Biden scandal) that it is hard to say whether the Lincoln project ads affected the end result at all. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it was wrong for them to try.

I simply think the money shovelled to these unrepentant right-wing ghouls would have been better spent elsewhere such as on downballot races where the Democrats grossly underperformed. More Democrats than Republicans who voted in the presidential contest failed to vote for their party’s candidate in the House races.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 01:40:53 pm
Trump supporters have breached the Capitol building. Doors to Senate and House have been locked.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 06, 2021, 01:54:26 pm
So much for that Peaceful Transition of Power.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 01:59:47 pm
Trump supporters have breached the Capitol building. Doors to Senate and House have been locked.

Weird how there were no tanks or heavily armed riot cops standing by for this, must have been busy at a small BLM protest somewhere.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 02:02:08 pm
Absolutely funny as hell that masked goons waving Confederate flags are smashing through the doors of the Capitol and police are like "hey guys, listen can you plz just cut ot out?"
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 02:07:06 pm
Absolutely funny as hell that masked goons waving Confederate flags are smashing through the doors of the Capitol and police are like "hey guys, listen can you plz just cut ot out?"

No city police force could stop something like this. Do you think they should start shooting? There are officers in the chambers with furniture stacked up against the doors and their guns pointed in case they are breached.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 06, 2021, 02:11:48 pm
No city police force could stop something like this. Do you think they should start shooting? There are officers in the chambers with furniture stacked up against the doors and their guns pointed in case they are breached.

So if the Military has to come in, will Trump have them stand down? He's their Commander in Chief

That will be anarchy either way.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 02:28:10 pm
No city police force could stop something like this. Do you think they should start shooting? There are officers in the chambers with furniture stacked up against the doors and their guns pointed in case they are breached.

How many people do you think are there at the capitol? It looks like a couple of hundred maybe. Are you telling me the same cops that can handle several thousand BLM protesters in the street can't stand up to a few hundred fat white dudes?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 02:28:37 pm
So if the Military has to come in, will Trump have them stand down? He's their Commander in Chief

That will be anarchy either way.

The DOD has declined a request to send in the national guard.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 02:31:22 pm
How many people do you think are there at the capitol? It looks like a couple of hundred maybe. Are you telling me the same cops that can handle several thousand BLM protesters in the street can't stand up to a few hundred fat white dudes?

Several thousand, easily.

More than at Trump's inauguration.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 02:33:45 pm
Been watching FOX bemoaning the actions of the people they helped create. They are having to watch their own monster in action.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 06, 2021, 02:35:54 pm
Well we now have a pretty clear vision of trump supporters now that he has encouraged them to storm the capital. i wouldn't care if the police forces present simply opened up with an automatic and mowed the stupid f'ers down. Of course as long as they save at least one slug for their loser boss. Maybe after that the US could get back to a "peaceful transition of power"
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 02:36:23 pm
Several thousand, easily.

More than at Trump's inauguration.

There's not several thousand storming the capitol building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-TgVS-baIQ
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 06, 2021, 02:41:50 pm
The DOD has declined a request to send in the national guard.
They must be thinking there's good people on both sides.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 02:43:04 pm
They must be thinking there's good people on both sides.

If this was a left wing group trying to bust down the doors, they'd be using live ammo already.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 02:49:55 pm
Haha!  Their security sucks there!   What happened to all their law enforcement people and their guns??    They can’t even defend their capital building from hooligans!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 02:52:44 pm
Haha!  Their security sucks there!   What happened to all their law enforcement people and their guns??    They can’t even defend their capital building from hooligans!

They can. They just choose not to.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 03:03:19 pm
There's not several thousand storming the capitol building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-TgVS-baIQ

If you see a wide angle, they were all around the building and inside it.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 03:04:20 pm
If you see a wide angle, they were all around the building and inside it.

Yes, there's a few thousand around the building, but only a few hundred actually trying to get in.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 03:05:13 pm
Anyway, it looks like they have got them out of the interior of the building and they are starting to leave.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 06, 2021, 03:05:26 pm
The DOD has declined a request to send in the national guard.

National Guard is on it's way.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 03:06:58 pm
I hope they don’t just disperse them and be done with it.  They need to round them up, shoot the resistors and arrest everyone else for sedition.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 03:16:00 pm
Do they not have tanks nearby?
 ???
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 03:18:34 pm
National Guard is on it's way.

The VA guard.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 03:22:16 pm
The VA guard.


Imagine if this was a group of Muslims instead of Trump terrorists?  They’d already be blown up by tanks.

The president made a statement...  he told them he loves them and that the election was stolen...   hahaha

Oh...  and go home. 

Oh my.   What an imbecile. 

I wish we had different neighbours...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 06, 2021, 03:26:30 pm
The VA guard.

VA police and the National Guard.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 06, 2021, 03:27:40 pm
I hope they don’t just disperse them and be done with it.  They need to round them up, shoot the resistors and arrest everyone else for sedition.
I suppose...OTOH I think those secret service guys inside the building who drew their guns but didn't use them deserve medals for not escalating things.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 06, 2021, 03:29:14 pm
Just heard trump's response to today's events and he tells people to go home now, after he once again lied his **** ass off as to a "rigged election" so all he did was restoke the fire. Once again demonstrating he is nothing but a complete and utter ****. I notice member shady is keeping rather quiet currently. Maybe even he is finally getting it?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 03:30:36 pm
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 06, 2021, 03:32:25 pm
I haven't been watching the news today... anything big happening ?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 06, 2021, 03:34:11 pm
I notice member shady is keeping rather quiet currently. Maybe even he is finally getting it?
Apparently not.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 06, 2021, 03:35:17 pm
I haven't been watching the news today... anything big happening ?
The alien's mothership landed.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 03:36:25 pm
I suppose...OTOH I think those secret service guys inside the building who drew their guns but didn't use them deserve medals for not escalating things.

They should be fired.  Surround the seditionists with tanks and pick them off.

Not one terrorist is being arrested, or shot?   
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 03:39:33 pm
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!

BLM: please stop shooting unarmed black people and attacking our communities
Trumpers: WARH STOLEN ELECTION **** DEEP STATE CABAL SOROS WAHHRG
Shady, the Dumbest Man Alive: these too me are the same.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 06, 2021, 03:42:32 pm
They should be fired. 

Not one terrorist is being arrested, or shot?
What's really weird is how the Red Dawn has been pulled off without a single shot being fired.  After spending billions and trillions killing millions around the world to prevent it and it's come down Trump saying yeah our country was stolen but oh well...time to go home.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 03:49:20 pm

Biden: A President grieving for his country.

Trump: ME, ME, it's all about ME. Go home but don't go home.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 03:52:45 pm
What's really weird is how the Red Dawn has been pulled off without a single shot being fired.  After spending billions and trillions killing millions around the world to prevent it and it's come down Trump saying yeah our country was stolen but oh well...time to go home.

At the end of the day most of these chuds have to go back to their used car dealerships and landscaping jobs and worry about child support, they're far too soft to actually get into a civil war situation.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 03:54:00 pm
Absolutely funny as hell that masked goons waving Confederate flags are smashing through the doors of the Capitol and police are like "hey guys, listen can you plz just cut ot out?"

LOL (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-protests#mob-vandalize-pelosi-office)

Quote
A Capitol Police officer tried to reason with the crowd: “You guys just need to go outside,” he pleaded with a man in a green backpack. When asked why they weren’t expelling the protesters, the officer said, “We’ve just got to let them do their thing now.”
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 03:54:05 pm
At the end of the day most of these chuds have to go back to their used car dealerships and landscaping jobs and worry about child support, they're far too soft to actually get into a civil war situation.

They shouldn’t be allowed to leave.  They should be surrounded and arrested. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 03:57:56 pm
Biden: A President grieving for his country.

Trump: ME, ME, it's all about ME. Go home but don't go home.
Yes, I particularly like when Joe Biden accused Mitt Romney in 2012 of wanting to put black people back in chains.  He’s a gaslighting a-hole.  Who grieves when it’s convenient.  Took him months to condemn the violence in May and. June.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 04:00:58 pm
Yes, I particularly like when Joe Biden accused Mitt Romney in 2012 of wanting to put black people back in chains.  He’s a gaslighting a-hole.  Who grieves when it’s convenient.  Took him months to condemn the violence in May and. June.

Biden 2012: The GOP will put black people in chains!
Trump 2020: The GOP will put black people in chains!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 06, 2021, 04:01:24 pm
Yes, I particularly like when Joe Biden accused Mitt Romney in 2012 of wanting to put black people back in chains.  He’s a gaslighting a-hole.  Who grieves when it’s convenient.  Took him months to condemn the violence in May and. June.

How are you likin' it now that your boy trump is inciting a coup attempt?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 06, 2021, 04:06:45 pm
I just saw a protester smash a window of the Capital Building.  Unbelievable.  Donald is truly a piece of crap.  He needs to resign today, and Pence needs to not pardon him.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 04:09:53 pm
Interesting tidbit. The first time the Capitol Building has been breached since the British did it in 1814. Cool.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 04:11:19 pm
I just saw a protester smash a window of the Capital Building.  Unbelievable.  Donald is truly a piece of crap.  He needs to resign today, and Pence needs to not pardon him.

The senator from Alabama called for supporters to “kick some ass” yesterday.   This isn’t just Trump. 

But, yes...  agreed. 

Not sure why they are letting people who participated in an insurrection just leave though.  They should be surrounded and arrested, or shot.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 04:21:47 pm
After being gently escorted out of the Capitol building, the MAGA chuds are now attacking the press outside.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 06, 2021, 04:29:51 pm
The senator from Alabama called for supporters to “kick some ass” yesterday.   This isn’t just Trump. 

But, yes...  agreed. 

Not sure why they are letting people who participated in an insurrection just leave though.  They should be surrounded and arrested, or shot.

A lot of Republican supporters have guns.  50 security guards vs 500 armed rioters wouldn't end well.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 06, 2021, 04:33:48 pm
After being gently escorted out of the Capitol building, the MAGA chuds are now attacking the press outside.

I think these people truly believe Trump's claims that the election was stolen, and truly believe the media much of the is lying to them.  Dangerous situation.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 04:35:46 pm
After being gently escorted out of the Capitol building, the MAGA chuds are now attacking the press outside.

I see some pics where some of the press are right along the front line so that cops have to move them along too.  Not sure why they insert themselves like that.  Dumb.  Wastes the cops’ time. 

No arrests.  They’re being gently pushed out of the area.  LOL

I saw one terrorist get shot of TV as they were trying to get through barricaded doors. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 04:37:08 pm
A lot of Republican supporters have guns.  50 security guards vs 500 armed rioters wouldn't end well.

Agreed. 

Why weren’t they ready for something?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 04:52:09 pm
Acting Secretary of Defence said he discussed deployment of the NG with Pence, not Trump. He has also spoken with the party leaders of both houses about the situation, but not Trump. Seems that Donald is being cut out by his own administration.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 06, 2021, 05:41:13 pm
There are rumours Pence is in the middle of the process of invoking the 25th amendment. I can't imagine he would have the integrity. He never showed any signs of it before.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 05:56:03 pm
I guess they’re treating this as another “protest” with a few bad eggs...  actually, peaceful protestors were treated much harsher by law enforcement so that Trump could wave around a bible, than the armed insurrection that is ongoing.

What a country.... 

Biden is going to need to clear house of the law enforcement leadership of those who didn’t stop an insurrection taking over the government.  Possibly even charges against them.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 06, 2021, 06:00:38 pm
There are rumours Pence is in the middle of the process of invoking the 25th amendment. I can't imagine he would have the integrity. He never showed any signs of it before.

Why does Pence need integrity to do it?  He'd get to be POTUS and the Democrats would support it.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 06:09:42 pm
Agreed. 

Why weren’t they ready for something?

Might want to ask the people who give them their orders.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 06, 2021, 06:09:49 pm
At the end of the day most of these chuds have to go back to their used car dealerships and landscaping jobs and worry about child support, they're far too soft to actually get into a civil war situation.
And thankfully too stupid to realize the civil war will be a right-wing one Trump has started in the GOP. This is why I've been saying go Trump go for so long.

The real fault line in America is or should be clear for all to see and Democrats should do everything they can to widen it. This is not the time to show mercy.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 06:12:53 pm
Trump’s Twitter account has been locked.  Twitter says it may be suspended.   LOL
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 06, 2021, 06:17:23 pm
Not sure why they are letting people who participated in an insurrection just leave though.  They should be surrounded and arrested, or shot.
OTOH...letting them live to fight another day provides more opportunity for the right-wing to keep blowing up in it's own face.

Seems to me if you've got two enemies who might start shooting at one another you might want to just lay low and see what develops.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 07:20:58 pm
Guys, these were mostly peaceful protests.  They were generally not unruly! 🤣

https://youtu.be/B2bM3wXpY-I
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 07:22:33 pm
Besides, show me where protests are suppose to be polite and peaceful!!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 06, 2021, 07:30:08 pm
Besides, show me where protests are suppose to be polite and peaceful!!
I've honestly never been quite sure if you are writing a fun parody of a comically stupid right-winger or if you're really this stupid.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 07:34:10 pm
Cops were posing with terrorists for selfies...

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/6c5e0dc0a4b8e36306e13b85dcd2a7d6?width=650)
A US Capitol building police officer poses for a selfie with one of the insurrectionists who helped storm the US Capitol building.Source:Twitter

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/vision-emerges-of-police-moving-barricades-to-allow-rioters-into-us-capitol-taking-selfies/news-story/45a9be3adf9b447b53d23cf5536c5d02
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 07:36:35 pm
I've honestly never been quite sure if you are writing a fun parody of a comically stupid right-winger or if you're really this stupid.
I write for purpose and to expose the stink of rank hypocrisy on the left and the left wing media.  That’s actually a quote from CNN during the summer related to the riots. 

https://youtu.be/W-zb58uiFjU
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 07:46:23 pm
I write for purpose and to expose the stink of rank hypocrisy on the left and the left wing media.  That’s actually a quote from CNN during the summer related to the riots. 

https://youtu.be/W-zb58uiFjU

The stink is coming from the Oval Office. Trump would do the world and his country a big favour if he dropped dead from a stroke tonight. I think he is headed there anyway.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 06, 2021, 07:46:42 pm
Cops were posing with terrorists for selfies...

A US Capitol building police officer poses for a selfie with one of the insurrectionists who helped storm the US Capitol building.Source:Twitter

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/vision-emerges-of-police-moving-barricades-to-allow-rioters-into-us-capitol-taking-selfies/news-story/45a9be3adf9b447b53d23cf5536c5d02

When even the cops don't have balls anymore...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 06, 2021, 07:49:36 pm
When even the cops don't have balls anymore...
Sounds like some police were complicit.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 07:49:56 pm
The stink is coming from the Oval Office. Trump would do the world and his country a big favour if he dropped dead from a stroke tonight. I think he is headed there anyway.
The stink of rank hypocrisy’s coming from you as well?  Do you agree with CNN?  Who said protests had to be polite and peaceful?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 07:51:10 pm
When even the cops don't have balls anymore...
Yep.  You should’ve seen them during the summer.  Just let people destroy stuff at will.  Even arrested people and let them go hours later, no charges, no bail!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 07:52:21 pm
Sounds like some police were complicit.
Who said priests had to be polite and peaceful?

https://youtu.be/W-zb58uiFjU

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 07:53:47 pm
The stink of rank hypocrisy’s coming from you as well?  Do you agree with CNN?  Who said protests had to be polite and peaceful?

Shady, two second clips taken out of context don't impress me. Show me the whole conversation. It's what you demanded with Trump's phone call to Georgia.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 07:59:14 pm
Shady, two second clips taken out of context don't impress me. Show me the whole conversation. It's what you demanded with Trump's phone call to Georgia.
They’re not out of context.  You just can’t acknowledge the reality of the hypocrisy.  CNN excused violent protests during the summer, even challenging people to say where is says protests have to be peaceful and polite.  Well, if that’s the case, what’s their problem?
Just more Trump Hater Hypocrisy.  As usual.  Same with the criticism of the slow vaccine rollout, but excusing Trudeau.  Same with the Democrats challenging election results and then complaining about Trump.  Literally everything about you guys is caked in hypocrisy.  Everything.  It’s comical.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 06, 2021, 08:12:29 pm
Sounds like some police were complicit.

Could be.  If so they broke their oath and should be fired.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 06, 2021, 08:18:58 pm
They’re not out of context.  You just can’t acknowledge the reality of the hypocrisy.  CNN excused violent protests during the summer, even challenging people to say where is says protests have to be peaceful and polite.  Well, if that’s the case, what’s their problem?
CNN has never excused violence like you have, and even encouraged it. Even a comical parody of a stupid fuckhead shouldn't do that.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 08:30:31 pm
CNN has never excused violence like you have, and even encouraged it. Even a comical parody of a stupid fuckhead shouldn't do that.
They did excuse violence.  During the summer.  Now that the people doing the violence has changed, they’re all of a sudden outraged!  Maybe they finally found where it says protests have to be polite and peaceful! 🤣
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 08:31:21 pm
Could be.  If so they broke their oath and should be fired.
Right, so now context required in this case huh?  You guys are incredible!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 08:32:45 pm
I don’t see any value in continuing this conversation.  You all eat, sleep and breath hypocrisy.  It’s your very being.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 06, 2021, 08:42:38 pm
It’s like an hypocrisy party! 🥳😂

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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 06, 2021, 08:44:58 pm
I don’t see any value in continuing this conversation.  You all eat, sleep and breath hypocrisy.  It’s your very being.
Don't hurt anyone. Remember you're just being manipulated by Internet algorithms.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 06, 2021, 09:09:19 pm
Who said protests had to be polite and peaceful?

They shouldn't be.

People are disgusted with the president and his followers.  There's no logic here, this is hate unleashed... the first steps of war...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: JMT on January 06, 2021, 09:24:54 pm
It’s like an hypocrisy party! 🥳😂

(Attachment Link)

So you're in favour of looting, rioting, and occupying the Capitol? Just trying to keep up.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 09:37:38 pm
I don’t see any value in continuing this conversation.  You all eat, sleep and breath hypocrisy.  It’s your very being.

So you think an assault on the nation's legislative institutions incited by a just turfed head of state is just another demonstration. Alrighty.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 06, 2021, 10:03:17 pm
So you think an assault on the nation's legislative institutions incited by a just turfed head of state is just another demonstration. Alrighty.

If ever there was a more sound reason for enacting the 25th I don't ever recall it in my history readings.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 06, 2021, 10:07:05 pm
So you think an assault on the nation's legislative institutions incited by a just turfed head of state is just another demonstration. Alrighty.
Seems reasonable for someone who regards a public health order as if it were a mufti's fatwa.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 10:37:10 pm
I write for purpose and to expose the stink of rank hypocrisy on the left and the left wing media.  That’s actually a quote from CNN during the summer related to the riots. 

https://youtu.be/W-zb58uiFjU

"Ah ha, so you said [good thing] was good but now you say [bad thing] is bad? Hypocrite much"

I know you're genuinely too stupid to know what whataboutism or why the motivations and intent and message of these protests matters, so I won't even try explaining.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 10:45:50 pm
Now we're up to four people killed in the Capitol today. Imagine laying down your life in service of a fat old huckster. How humiliating.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 06, 2021, 10:49:02 pm
So you're in favour of looting, rioting, and occupying the Capitol? Just trying to keep up.

He was against it before he was for it...


Funny thing though...   no one here was in favour of BLM riots.  Not one.   
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 10:51:09 pm
Never seen Colbert so angry.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 06, 2021, 10:53:23 pm
He was against it before he was for it...


Funny thing though...   no one here was in favour of BLM riots.  Not one.

*puts hand up* I'm was not not in favour of them.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 06, 2021, 11:24:49 pm
He was against it before he was for it...


Funny thing though...   no one here was in favour of BLM riots.  Not one.

Demonstrations yes, riots no.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 06, 2021, 11:59:37 pm
Trump was watching the riots from the WH.  But he only tweeted for "peace" right after the inside of the capital had finally been secured.   What a true dirtbag.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 07, 2021, 12:13:09 am
At this point, Trump is a bona fide national security risk. It will be interesting to see if they will do anything about it.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 12:16:23 am
At this point, Trump is a bona fide national security risk. It will be interesting to see if they will do anything about it.
World leaders are joking. JOKING, hear that shady etal?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 12:27:14 am
At this point, Trump is a bona fide national security risk. It will be interesting to see if they will do anything about it.

He's still POTUS, how **** scary is that!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 07, 2021, 12:29:11 am
Trump's fluffer ColludyRudy... earlier today at the 'Save America' rally: "Let's have trial by combat!" (https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1346847441648279552/vid/960x540/UnVZ08bpw37e3eXu.mp4?tag=13)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 12:34:39 am
Now we're up to four people killed in the Capitol today. Imagine laying down your life in service of a fat old huckster. How humiliating.
Yep, the Tree of Liberty really only needed to be dipped in **** this time. Its too bad people had to die as well.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 07, 2021, 01:30:17 am
As a "Conservative" I really enjoy following the Lincoln Project. A group of former Republicans who don't want to be associated with the Party of Trump. They're quite effective. Some have even become Democrats.
Counterpoint: they are useless grifters who did nothing but suck money away from actual Democrats. The Lincoln Project raised $67 million. 93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.

across an assortment of threads, I've previously linked to several Lincoln Project vids; even if their only Trump skewering impact was to create a waldo warm-fuzzy... seeing their direct impact on Trump and watching him twitter implode was priceless!

the grifter tag seems to have originated from Glenn Greenwald... that preening self-proclaimed progressive (who isn't). Of course that's been propagated many times over by anti-anti-Trump types. And yes, they've raised a shyte-load of money - and spent a ton mostly on Presidential focused ad buys (although, as I read, they did take significant plays into Senate runs across 5 States). And then there's the 'speculation' over Lincoln Media and where that may go (https://www.axios.com/scoop-the-lincoln-project-is-becoming-a-media-business-f366aea2-d730-4ad3-a601-e8380ebf96e8.html) - even though several of the LP members walked away from the Republican Trump Party, if they, overall, retain their underlying conservative bent, they may end up as a major future irritant to Democrats.

as for the influence of the Lincoln Project, the following opinion piece (from Max Boot) may just be a smattering of factual data with a twist of self-promotion: Never Trumpers played a critical role in beating him. The numbers prove it. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/12/did-republicans-vote-against-trump/)

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But both the Lincoln Project and Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT), the other major Never Trump organization, shared with me preliminary data to show that their work actually played a critical role in Biden’s victory. Their numbers are in line with publicly available exit polls showing that nationally 7 percent of 2016 Trump voters and 8 percent of Republican or Republican-leaning voters backed Biden. The share of independent and moderate voters supporting the Democratic nominee also increased from 42 percent of independents and 52 percent of moderates in 2016 to 54 percent of independents and 64 percent of moderates in 2020. Currently, Biden is leading in the popular vote by 3.4 percentage points.

The Lincoln Project contends that 85 percent of the counties it targeted in 10 states moved away from Trump — and that doesn’t even include Arizona, where ballots are still being counted and endorsements from Republicans such as Cindy McCain undoubtedly contributed to Biden’s lead. The Lincoln Project concludes that, across the top battleground states, Biden flipped an average of 6.8 percent of voters who cast a Trump ballot in 2016. Nationally, it believes, 5 percent of voters who voted for a Republican congressional candidate voted for Biden.

In the battleground states, Lincoln Project asserts that 7 percent of 2016 Trump voters switched to Biden in Pennsylvania, 6 percent in Michigan, 7 percent in Wisconsin and 6 percent in Georgia. The swings among independent voters, moderate voters and college-educated White voters away from Trump were even bigger in some cases. Given the narrowness of the outcome in these battleground states (Biden’s biggest margin so far is a 2.6-point win in Michigan), those numbers, if accurate, suggest that Republican and Republican-leaning voters helped deliver the election to Biden.

today's Lincoln Project vid: (https://www.instagram.com/p/CJuQNYRnN2e/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: BC_cheque on January 07, 2021, 01:41:39 am
For all the enablers that said "well, he's crass and I don't like him but I like his policies"... now you see why character is pretty f*cking important.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 10:16:39 am
across an assortment of threads, I've previously linked to several Lincoln Project vids; even if their only Trump skewering impact was to create a waldo warm-fuzzy... seeing their direct impact on Trump and watching him twitter implode was priceless!

the grifter tag seems to have originated from Glenn Greenwald... that preening self-proclaimed progressive (who isn't). Of course that's been propagated many times over by anti-anti-Trump types. And yes, they've raised a shyte-load of money - and spent a ton mostly on Presidential focused ad buys (although, as I read, they did take significant plays into Senate runs across 5 States). And then there's the 'speculation' over Lincoln Media and where that may go (https://www.axios.com/scoop-the-lincoln-project-is-becoming-a-media-business-f366aea2-d730-4ad3-a601-e8380ebf96e8.html) - even though several of the LP members walked away from the Republican Trump Party, if they, overall, retain their underlying conservative bent, they may end up as a major future irritant to Democrats.

A big part of the LP grift was to launder the reputations of the people who helped pave the way for Trump but who don't want to take responsibility for that.

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as for the influence of the Lincoln Project, the following opinion piece (from Max Boot) may just be a smattering of factual data with a twist of self-promotion.

Counterpoint (https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/lincoln-project-never-trump-republicans-ads-election-biden)

Couple of other things: there's a big difference between "never Trump Republicans tilted the election for biden" and "the Lincoln Project was effective at tilting never Trump Republicans to Biden".

However both claims run into the cold hard numbers in an election where Trump (a historically unpopular president) increased both his total votes and his share of Republican voters.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 07, 2021, 10:39:02 am
However both claims run into the cold hard numbers in an election where Trump (a historically unpopular president) increased both his total votes and his share of Republican voters.

Do you not want to entertain the fact that Republicans left the party and that gives the illusion that Trump has an iron-clad control of Conservatives.

We also have entertain the idea that some people just vote for their "team".

As an example, I don't like DoFo all that much. But I wasn't going to go out there and vote for Kathleen Wynne. 

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 10:49:52 am
Do you not want to entertain the fact that Republicans left the party and that gives the illusion that Trump has an iron-clad control of Conservatives.

That's not a fact, that's a claim you're making without evidence of that being a factor of any significance.

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We also have entertain the idea that some people just vote for their "team".

As an example, I don't like DoFo all that much. But I wasn't going to go out there and vote for Kathleen Wynne.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here: "Sure they voted for trump, but they didn't actually like him?" Who cares! They still ticked that box!

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 07, 2021, 11:01:17 am
That's not a fact, that's a claim you're making without evidence of that being a factor of any significance.

Member waldo did provide some evidence that the LP did have an effect. Note that their campaign was very targeted. Their goal was to get Trump defeated, not wholesale changing of hearts and minds.

I'm sure you don't want to give them a Gold Star for their efforts, but just recognize that Trumpism isn't immediately analogous to Conservatism.

Conservatives can work to defeat Trump without partnering with Democrats.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 11:25:15 am
Trumpism isn't immediately analogous to Conservatism.
It's the other way around, Trump is an effect of conservatism.  This spectacle has been building for decades.
 
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Conservatives can work to defeat Trump without partnering with Democrats.
Not without wrecking the GOP too hopefully.  America is plenty right-wing enough under the Democrats, Republicans are overkill.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 11:29:16 am
Member waldo did provide some evidence that the LP did have an effect. Note that their campaign was very targeted. Their goal was to get Trump defeated, not wholesale changing of hearts and minds.

I'm sure you don't want to give them a Gold Star for their efforts, but just recognize that Trumpism isn't immediately analogous to Conservatism.

Conservatives can work to defeat Trump without partnering with Democrats.

I would argue that Trump is the logical endpoint of where conservatism has been heading for the last 20 years (some would say longer). One could even argue that you can find historical antecedents for Trump on the right throughout US history from Goldwater and the Birchers back to the Reconstruction south. Trumpism is simply conservatism saying the quiet parts out loud.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 07, 2021, 12:27:28 pm
Remember when leftists stormed the capital during the Kavanaugh hearings?  And nobody said anything.

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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 07, 2021, 12:27:54 pm
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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 07, 2021, 12:28:20 pm
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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 07, 2021, 12:29:56 pm
You reap what you sow.  If you’re going to support political violence and/or contesting election results in the past, don’t be surprised when people learn from your example and build on it.  You’re all flaming bags of hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 12:30:13 pm
Remember when leftists stormed the capital during the Kavanaugh hearings?  And nobody said anything.


Did they break any windows, trash any offices and **** in any trashcans?

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 12:30:25 pm
The system is also broken....   

When shithole states like Wyoming get the same representation as the 35 million people in California, it skews the Senate towards the group from the low-population, conservative, extremely religious backwaters.  They get an amount of political power and influence that is disproportionate to their actual place in the country. 

This allows them to also get president selected with less than the popular vote, and they can be propped up by the senate. 

There goes the “checks and balances”.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 12:31:05 pm
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oh hey look at all those pictures of people being arrested. Not a selfie in sight.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 12:32:36 pm
You reap what you sow.  If you’re going to support political violence and/or contesting election results in the past, don’t be surprised when people learn from your example and build on it.  You’re all flaming bags of hypocrisy.

So what you’re saying is that you would support the leftists if they brought guns, pipe bombs and destroyed property, rather than just a handful of them screeching then being led away in cuffs?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 12:33:35 pm
You reap what you sow.  If you’re going to support political violence and/or contesting election results in the past, don’t be surprised when people learn from your example and build on it.  You’re all flaming bags of hypocrisy.

The party of personal responsibility, folks.


Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 12:35:00 pm
The party of personal responsibility, folks.

I thought Shady took his ball and went home from this thread after his last spamathon ....?

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 12:36:19 pm
So what you’re saying is that you would support the leftists if they brought guns, pipe bombs and destroyed property, rather than just a handful of them screeching then being led away in cuffs?

"Oh so you were against Hitler invading Poland and France, but you're for the Allies landing at Normandy? Hypocrite much?"
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 12:39:06 pm
I thought Shady took his ball and went home from this thread after his last spamathon ....?

He had to wait and see what the messaging from the right wing social media sphere was before commenting because he's not actually capable of forming a independent thought or tying his shoes.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 12:40:08 pm
It's the other way around, Trump is an effect of conservatism.  This spectacle has been building for decades.

So now you're blaming "conservatism" for this?  Lol. This isn't the result of Trump's rightwing populist policies. This is the result of Trump spreading mass lies to undermine an election result because his ego can't admit defeat, and the morons who believe his lies without evidence.  He's a giant dirtbag of the highest degree.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 12:41:31 pm
So now you're blaming "conservatism" for this?  Lol. This isn't the result of Trump's rightwing populist policies. This is the result of Trump spreading mass lies to undermine an election result because his ego can't admit defeat, and the morons who believe his lies without evidence.  He's a giant dirtbag of the highest degree.
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You talk like those are two separate things.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 07, 2021, 12:56:33 pm
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You talk like those are two separate things.

Of course they are. Do you honestly think the 70+ million who voted for Trump were OK with this?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 12:57:18 pm
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You talk like those are two separate things.

Really?  So rightwing populism has to include mass lies to undermine an election?  You have to be a disgusting liar to support populism?  I support a bunch of Trump's populist policies (and a bunch of Bernie Sanders' leftwing populist policies), but I don't in any way support this or Trump's election lies.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 01:07:00 pm
Really?  So rightwing populism has to include mass lies to undermine an election?  You have to be a disgusting liar to support populism?  I support a bunch of Trump's populist policies (and a bunch of Bernie Sanders' leftwing populist policies), but I don't in any way support this or Trump's election lies.

Trump's particular brand of populism is not policy based or grounded in any material considerations at all. It's entirely grievance-based and it depends entirely on mass lies.

His true base isn't the working class: it's the petit bourgeoisie who are terrified of having their place in the world taken from them by "the others".
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 01:07:33 pm
Of course they are. Do you honestly think the 70+ million who voted for Trump were OK with this?

I would guess a minimum of 90% of Trump voters are absolutely fine with this, yes.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 01:08:42 pm
Trumpism is simply conservatism saying the quiet parts out loud.
As much as the information/media environment have allowed the perfect conditions for Trumpism to be cultivated those conditions are ultimately proving to be as unwieldy to the Republican machine as the Apprentice's use of the Sorcerer's Wand.

As for the loudest noise America's right needs to squelch out is their implication that Democrats are extreme radical socialists communists. What other possible path is available to them given the rhetoric they've used to stoke the belief that America has fallen to its very worst enemy?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 07, 2021, 01:10:51 pm
I would guess a minimum of 90% of Trump voters are absolutely fine with this, yes.

Not even 50% of Democrats believe that.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 01:13:41 pm
Trump's particular brand of populism is not policy based or grounded in any material considerations at all. It's entirely grievance-based and it depends entirely on mass lies.

Well at least you added the "particular brand of populism".  I agree that any policies based on mass lies are garbage.

What we don't need are people yelling "Trumpism!  Trumpism!" any time somebody wants to be tougher on China or questions free trade deals or questions immigration policy.  That will just end us up in the same place as we are now...a place where the only person with the political balls to talk about these kinds of issues is a narcissistic nutjob autocrat.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 01:14:29 pm
Not even 50% of Democrats believe that.

Well, they're wrong.

When I look around the internet I see absolutely zero shock and outrage from rank and file MAGA types. Instead, i see a lot of conspiracy theories that the Capitol invaders were antifa in disguise. I have no reason to believe these are not representative viewpoints.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 01:17:54 pm
Well at least you added the "particular brand of populism".  I agree that any policies based on mass lies are garbage.

Well, you said "Trump's populist policies" earlier, and i'd like to point out that he doesn't have any.

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What we don't need are people yelling "Trumpism!  Trumpism!" any time somebody wants to be tougher on China or questions free trade deals or questions immigration policy.  That will just end us up in the same place as we are now...a place where the only person with the political balls to talk about these kinds of issues is a narcissistic nutjob autocrat.

How they talk about it is kind of important.



Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 01:18:09 pm
Well, they're wrong.

When I look around the internet I see absolutely zero shock and outrage from rank and file MAGA types. Instead, i see a lot of conspiracy theories that the Capitol invaders were antifa in disguise. I have no reason to believe these are not representative viewpoints.

Another popular one seems to be the same utter stupid horseshit Shady is spouting.

“What about the BLM riots”?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 01:22:15 pm
Another popular one seems to be the same utter stupid horseshit Shady is spouting.

“What about the BLM riots”?

Yup. I have no idea where people are getting this idea that Trump supporters are turned off by this stuff.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 01:29:55 pm
So now you're blaming "conservatism" for this?  Lol. This isn't the result of Trump's rightwing populist policies. This is the result of Trump spreading mass lies to undermine an election result because his ego can't admit defeat, and the morons who believe his lies without evidence.  He's a giant dirtbag of the highest degree.
Since at least the 90's conservatives of the Republican bent have been no more inclined to compromise with progressives than Trump is inclined to admit defeat.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 01:32:12 pm
Of course they are. Do you honestly think the 70+ million who voted for Trump were OK with this?
I think its realistic to believe some 28 million are perfectly OK with this. Apparently there were protests in front of legislatures against Biden and Harris' election certification all across America yesterday.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 01:35:07 pm
Really?  So rightwing populism has to include mass lies to undermine an election?  You have to be a disgusting liar to support populism?
It needs to lie to undermine progress. Otherwise you're a disgusting traitor not to do so.

These **** idiots actually cast Democrats as communists. /facepalm

Words matter.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 07, 2021, 01:36:57 pm
Well, they're wrong.

When I look around the internet I see absolutely zero shock and outrage from rank and file MAGA types. Instead, i see a lot of conspiracy theories that the Capitol invaders were antifa in disguise. I have no reason to believe these are not representative viewpoints.


You said conservatism. There aren't 70 million MAGA types.  Most people vote for who they see as the least worst candidate. For millions that was Trump, for whatever reasons that I don't pretend to understand. That doesn't mean they were OK with the Capital being stormed if he lost.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 01:43:24 pm

You said conservatism. There aren't 70 million MAGA types. Most people vote for who they see as the least worst candidate. For millions that was Trump, for whatever reasons that I don't pretend to understand. That doesn't mean they were OK with the Capital being stormed if he lost.

How large a part of Trump's constituency are the sober conservatives who oppose Trump's style, but vote for him nonetheless? They certainly don't seem to be a particularly influential bloc of voters so why do we care if they get tarred with the same brush as the MAGAts? I can't think of a group anyone should care less about.


Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 02:32:27 pm
Lot's of talk today as to either invoking the 25th or, failing that, impeachment. whatever it takes to get the orange faced **** out of any power. I bet it's noisy around the WH today again. Heads will likely roll at the capitol police force as well after they failed to handle donny's rioters. What a shyte show!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 07, 2021, 02:44:15 pm
How large a part of Trump's constituency are the sober conservatives who oppose Trump's style, but vote for him nonetheless? They certainly don't seem to be a particularly influential bloc of voters so why do we care if they get tarred with the same brush as the MAGAts? I can't think of a group anyone should care less about.

Because that is how we got here. Laziness. It is much easier to label everyone you don’t agree with than actually listen. Why do you think our society has become so polarized? 

I’m hoping this will be a positive thing, like people will step back and say we just can’t do this anymore. We have to change how we treat each other. Everyone who doesn’t agree with me isn’t a moron.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 02:49:04 pm
Because that is how we got here. Laziness. It is much easier to label everyone you don’t agree with than actually listen. Why do you think our society has become so polarized? 

I’m hoping this will be a positive thing, like people will step back and say we just can’t do this anymore. We have to change how we treat each other. Everyone who doesn’t agree with me isn’t a moron.

If someone chose to vote for Trump, then this is exactly what they voted for and don’t deserve to be allowed to say “well, I don’t like Trump...  I just don’t want to vote for a Commie” or whatever other bullshit excuse people use. 

It’s not polarized due to people wanting Medicare for all...   no one “on the other side” thought that the BLM people should be rioting and looting. 

You’re saying “there’s good people on both sides”.  There’s not.  This stuff came from one side and one side only. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 02:57:32 pm
Well, they're wrong.

When I look around the internet I see absolutely zero shock and outrage from rank and file MAGA types. Instead, i see a lot of conspiracy theories that the Capitol invaders were antifa in disguise. I have no reason to believe these are not representative viewpoints.

There's a difference between somebody who voted for Trump and somebody who is a MAGA true believer.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 02:58:59 pm
Well, you said "Trump's populist policies" earlier, and i'd like to point out that he doesn't have any.

How so?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 02:59:13 pm
Because that is how we got here. Laziness. It is much easier to label everyone you don’t agree with than actually listen. Why do you think our society has become so polarized? 

Listen to who, exactly? The lazy or stupid people who didn't agree with Trump but voted for him anyway and did nothing to prevent the inmates from taking over the asylum? What could they possibly have to tell us that anyone would care to hear? Or the never Trumpers whose depredations during the Bush and Obama years helped create the ideal conditions for a demagogue and whose biggest beef with the guy is how he has ripped the curtain away to show what the Republican party is actually all about?

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I’m hoping this will be a positive thing, like people will step back and say we just can’t do this anymore. We have to change how we treat each other. Everyone who doesn’t agree with me isn’t a moron.

When one political party and an overwhelming portion of its supporters have decided to take a permanent vacation from reality, what the hell are the rest of us supposed to do? When mainstream media figureheads spend more time fretting about kids on college campuses using funny pronouns and protesting speakers than incipient fascism, who are we supposed to listen to?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 03:00:08 pm
There's a difference between somebody who voted for Trump and somebody who is a MAGA true believer.

Explain the difference and why it matters.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 07, 2021, 03:02:28 pm
Video of the mob that stormed the capital during the Kavanaugh hearings.  You guys are such f**king hypocrites is ridiculous.  Delete your accounts hypocrites.  You’re a disgrace.

https://twitter.com/marymargolohan/status/1347258025288065025?s=21
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 03:04:10 pm
How so?

What's not to get? He talks like a populist (albeit one who directs his and his followers' ire at minorities and others) and governed like a regular Republican.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 03:04:44 pm
Because that is how we got here. Laziness. It is much easier to label everyone you don’t agree with than actually listen. Why do you think our society has become so polarized? 

I’m hoping this will be a positive thing, like people will step back and say we just can’t do this anymore. We have to change how we treat each other. Everyone who doesn’t agree with me isn’t a moron.
Perhsps you're more naturally progressive than you're willing to admit to yourself because just everyone who's disagreed with Republicans have been labeled a communist. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 03:06:16 pm
Another popular one seems to be the same utter stupid horseshit Shady is spouting.

“What about the BLM riots”?

The thing is, most people would feel differently about these capital hill riots if Trump had won the election, the Democrats accused him of stealing the election, and ANTIFA types stormed the Capital building.

The problem here is that Trump is lying, but these rioters honestly believe him and are doing what in their mind is their patriotic duty.  How do you fix stupid?  It's impossible.  So the solution is:  if you're a powerful leader, don't make such terrible lies, because people lacking in intelligence will follow you.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 03:07:41 pm
Video of the mob that stormed the capital during the Kavanaugh hearings.  You guys are such f**king hypocrites is ridiculous.  Delete your accounts hypocrites.  You’re a disgrace.

https://twitter.com/marymargolohan/status/1347258025288065025?s=21

Sounds like you're mad. Are you mad?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 07, 2021, 03:09:14 pm
https://youtu.be/SKNiSIPKGns
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 03:17:03 pm
https://youtu.be/SKNiSIPKGns

Wow, man some people yelled during the proceedings, that's exactly the same thing as this:

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Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 03:21:17 pm
The thing is, most people would feel differently about these capital hill riots if Trump had won the election, the Democrats accused him of stealing the election, and ANTIFA types stormed the Capital building.

Bullshit.   If you storm the legislature buildings to riot and overturn the government, you should be shot, or at the very least arrested.   BLM, ANTIFA, whomever.   If this was BLM who did this, there’s be dead people littering the offices.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 03:23:35 pm
Man I forgot about these assholes too, 2020 was a millim years long.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/DE67/production/_112053965_gettyimages-1211398264.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 03:24:16 pm
Apparently, 26 arrests were made at the Capitol building yesterday....  26.

When disabled people protested there, peacefully, 180 of them were arrested.

https://apnews.com/article/21f0668a86b64bffaa25ab260b883d5f

(https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/media:41d6ccdc77c54b6f977c850f25cd75fe/800.jpeg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 03:25:49 pm
Mask off. (http://"https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-insurrection-explosions/")

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hirty minutes to curfew, riot police moved to push the crowd back. There were altercations—protesters shoved and hit police, their faces all sweaty rage—but most, it seemed, didn’t want to be gassed again. As they fell back, people took parting shots: “Pigs!” “Is this what we get for backing the Blue?!” “You just lost the only people in this country who stand behind you!” “You serve Satan!”

It was growing dark. Park lights along the Mall had switched on, illuminating the monuments. On the ground, in the hands of so many retreating protesters, American flags beat in the wind. Atop the Capitol building, now aglow under low-hanging clouds, the same flag flew.

“This is not America,” a woman said to a small group, her voice shaking. She was crying, hysterical. “They’re shooting at us. They’re supposed to shoot BLM, but they’re shooting the patriots.”
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 03:35:42 pm
What's not to get? He talks like a populist (albeit one who directs his and his followers' ire at minorities and others) and governed like a regular Republican.

Keep believing these things, if enough people do there will be another Trump 4 years from now.

The lesson Trump's rise has given us is that if an autocrat ego-maniac is the only type of politician to attempt to address the issues that people want addressed, then people will elect autocrat ego-maniac.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 03:40:28 pm
Keep believing these things, if enough people do there will be another Trump 4 years from now.

The lesson Trump's rise has given us is that if an autocrat ego-maniac is the only type of politician to attempt to address the issues that people want addressed, then people will elect autocrat ego-maniac.

The lesson is to appease the nutbars and do what they want?

Sounds like a recipe for a lovely, happy country where black folks can hold hands with the KKK...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 03:43:17 pm
https://youtu.be/SKNiSIPKGns

You can't see the difference between someone yelling and a group of terrorists storming the capitol building and breaking windows/barging into offices? My gawd the straws you grasp at become increasingly ridiculous. Maybe when trumpty dumpty is in jail you can go visit him.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 03:45:27 pm
Bullshit.   If you storm the legislature buildings to riot and overturn the government, you should be shot, or at the very least arrested.   BLM, ANTIFA, whomever.   If this was BLM who did this, there’s be dead people littering the offices.

I agree with that.

So if Trump won the election and you and many others were convinced that he illegally stole the election, you'd just let it happen and would condemn any riots to stop his confirmation?  I call BS.

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If this was BLM who did this, there’s be dead people littering the offices.

It's possible.  But how many BLM protestors were killed by police during the Floyd riots?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 03:47:22 pm
The lesson is to appease the nutbars and do what they want?

Sounds like a recipe for a lovely, happy country where black folks can hold hands with the KKK...

These issues are too complicated for you to understand.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 03:52:14 pm
Keep believing these things, if enough people do there will be another Trump 4 years from now.

The lesson Trump's rise has given us is that if an autocrat ego-maniac is the only type of politician to attempt to address the issues that people want addressed, then people will elect autocrat ego-maniac.

What the **** are you talking about? it's pretty clear that Trump's appeal was in large part an appeal to economic and social anxiety (but unlike someone like Bernie, Trump's version is of the blame the immigrants and brown people variety) but his actions in government were antithetical to that, but his supporters were too invested in the racism part to care.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 03:58:50 pm
It's possible.  But how many BLM protestors were killed by police during the Floyd riots?

Hundreds if not thousands were arrested, hundreds more were injured, many for life. And nobody was trying to trash a government building where legislators were trying to do their jobs.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 03:59:10 pm
Keep believing these things, if enough people do there will be another Trump 4 years from now.

The lesson Trump's rise has given us is that if an autocrat ego-maniac is the only type of politician to attempt to address the issues that people want addressed, then people will elect autocrat ego-maniac.

And so just what issues do you think donny proposing to affect when he ran in 2016? Keep in mind more Americans voted against him then as now.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 03:59:45 pm
I agree with that.

So if Trump won the election and you and many others were convinced that he illegally stole the election, you'd just let it happen and would condemn any riots to stop his confirmation?  I call BS.

“Stole the election”?   There was no stealing of an election.  WTF are you even talking about???

Trump won the election in 2016 with the aid of Russia, and there were still no insurrections.  I don’t remember calling for an insurrection.....   please point to where I’ve supported that.

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It's possible.  But how many BLM protestors were killed by police during the Floyd riots?

No idea.   But if a few got shot or arrested rioting, I wouldn’t shed a tear.  Rioters should be dealt with harshly.

One of the problems with the BLM protests was the harsh treatment of the peaceful ones....   not surprising what it led to.  But, in most cases, the rioters were merely taking advantage of the unrest.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 04:04:50 pm
Keep believing these things, if enough people do there will be another Trump 4 years from now.
Actually it'll be entirely due to election fraud.

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Republican legislators plan to crack down on voting access after record turnout helped Democrat Joe Biden win Georgia, flipping the state after 24 years of GOP presidential wins.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/strict-absentee-voting-limits-proposed-after-record-georgia-turnout/BLDBKKOLCJDU7FWUAM4CPNZ43I/

Election fraud has been systemic in America since the days when only white landowners were allowed to vote.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 04:11:04 pm
I've been trying to think of the term for why yesterday's events and those of the summer of BLM protests aren't comparable, but this (https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1347281786443853825?s=20) pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 04:11:58 pm
Just hearing that the feds in DC are seriously looking into bringing charges against trump for insurrection based on his activities related to yesterdays riot. Here's hoping they remove him from his golf course in shackles.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 04:15:49 pm
I've been trying to think of the term for why yesterday's events and those of the summer of BLM protests aren't comparable, but this (https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1347281786443853825?s=20) pretty much sums it up.

That is succinct.

But anyone with 2 fuckin’ brain cells to rub together can tell the difference between:

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 04:17:09 pm
That is succinct.

But anyone with 2 fuckin’ brain cells to rub together can tell the difference between:

  • an insurrection on the Capitol while counting votes for a new president with the outgoing president seditiously egging on a group of violent supporters.
  • Civil unrest caused by violent acts by police on innocent black people

You would think so but alas!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 04:42:57 pm
Here’s a pic of the security when they thought BLM might be heading towards the Lincoln Memorial.  (Rightfully so, I might add...   government buildings and personnel should be protected from rioters)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/members-of-the-dc-national-guard-stand-on-the-steps-of-the-lincoln-picture-id1242364178?s=2048x2048)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 07, 2021, 04:44:21 pm
I've been trying to think of the term for why yesterday's events and those of the summer of BLM protests aren't comparable, but this (https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1347281786443853825?s=20) pretty much sums it up.

Yup, particularly where b-boy in the twitter thread you provided says;
 
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...it is a category error to treat civil unrest, however damaging, as equivalent to a mob incited by the chief executive to disable the seat of the national legislature at the moment of a transition of power to a political rival.
Trying to whatabout a way past Trump's attempt to instigate a coup merely underscores that's exactly what it was, an attempted coup. What's ironic is that it's a coup more befitting of the type America has been instigating around the planet for decades.  America has become what it eats and it's really no surprise it's elected a president that possess's the same blind self-serving narcissism that permitted America to behave the way it did in other countries around the world.

Trump is more than just an effect he's really nothing less than a superimposition of what America has been for decades with regards to the wills of people's, especially of anyone else's. He's the revisiting sin...America's karma.  It astounds me that America should have become regarded as being the shiniest beacon for liberty in the world - the ultimate Orwellianism.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 05:03:52 pm
Yup, particularly where b-boy in the twitter thread you provided says;
 Trying to whatabout a way past Trump's attempt to instigate a coup merely underscores that's exactly what it was, an attempted coup. What's ironic is that it's a coup more befitting of the type America has been instigating around the planet for decades. America has become what it eats and it's really no surprise it's elected a president that possess's the same blind self-serving narcissism that permitted America to behave the way it did in other countries around the world.


As much as i get where you're coming from I think there's more value in looking at this through the lens of US domestic history and events like the Wilmington Massacre of 1898 in which white supremacists overthrew the city government of a city in North Carolina, and slaughtered a unknown number of black people and got away with it. Now as then there's a significant faction of US people who believe that any government that represents a multiracial coalition of the electorate is ipso facto illegitimate. Far from being an organized coup or popular uprising, yesterday was a spasm of anger that was only as relatively harmless as it was due to the clownishness and cowardice of its perpetrators.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 05:09:56 pm
Since Shady is off digging through You Tube to find videos of protesters knocking over a potted plant in the hallway of the Senate or some dumb ****, I want to point out that all of yesterday's nonsense resulted in a grand total of 67 arrests while 58 officers were reported to have been injured. During the Kavanaugh hearings, the cops arrested more than 225 protesters and zero cops were hurt (unless one of the fat pigs threw out their back hauling women away).
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 05:22:20 pm
Since Shady is off digging through You Tube to find videos of protesters knocking over a potted plant in the hallway of the Senate or some dumb ****, I want to point out that all of yesterday's nonsense resulted in a grand total of 67 arrests while 58 officers were reported to have been injured. During the Kavanaugh hearings, the cops arrested more than 225 protesters and zero cops were hurt (unless one of the fat pigs threw out their back hauling women away).

In 2017, 180 disabled people were arrested for disrupting a hearing on a bill that would strip them of their insurance....   no cops even had their feelings hurt...

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 05:23:55 pm
Since Shady is off digging through You Tube to find videos of protesters knocking over a potted plant in the hallway of the Senate or some dumb ****, I want to point out that all of yesterday's nonsense resulted in a grand total of 67 arrests while 58 officers were reported to have been injured. During the Kavanaugh hearings, the cops arrested more than 225 protesters and zero cops were hurt (unless one of the fat pigs threw out their back hauling women away).

Poor shady struck out big time on his first attempt at this, but let's see what other nonsense he can dig up. Should be the ole ducks in a shooting gallery thing we played with at the fair back in the day.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 05:29:11 pm
Hundreds if not thousands were arrested, hundreds more were injured, many for life. And nobody was trying to trash a government building where legislators were trying to do their jobs.

You didn't answer my question.  How many BLM rioters were killed by police?  How many arrests were made per 100 rioters?  How many killed by police per 100 rioters?  Now compare it to the Capital attacks.

And yes this is worse, people stormed the Capital building.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 05:33:06 pm
And so just what issues do you think donny proposing to affect when he ran in 2016? Keep in mind more Americans voted against him then as now.

That's on record, I don't need to spend my time repeating it.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 05:33:34 pm
You didn't answer my question.  How many BLM rioters were killed by police?  How many arrests were made per 100 rioters?  How many killed by police per 100 rioters?  Now compare it to the Capital attacks.

And yes this is worse, people stormed the Capital building.

Honkies get away with **** especially in the US under the current racist "leader". I'd love to put my white fist so far down his honkie throat he'd **** himself to death.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 05:36:42 pm
Trump Will remain El Presidenté of the banana republic until his term ends.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/pence-opposes-invoking-25th-amendment.html
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Pence is said to oppose invoking 25th Amendment to strip Trump of his duties.


If inciting an insurrection isn’t grounds for removal, then what is? 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 05:42:13 pm
Honkies get away with **** especially in the US under the current racist "leader". I'd love to put my white fist so far down his honkie throat he'd **** himself to death.

So you hate racists, but you call Trump a racial slur and threaten to kill him.  I'm sorry but Shady has a bit of a point, you don't see your hypocrisy.  If you want to claim you're any better you have to actually act better.

Keep it up guys, you'll create another Trump 4 years from now.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 05:43:18 pm
Keep it up guys, you'll create another Trump 4 years from now.

LOL

You do realize that all of us are in Canada....?

But why the double standard...?   You blame “the left” for the rise of Trump...   what did you blame for the BLM riots?

I thought you were a “personal responsibility” kind of guy.....   no?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 05:53:33 pm
So you hate racists, but you call Trump a racial slur and threaten to kill him.  I'm sorry but Shady has a bit of a point, you don't see your hypocrisy.  If you want to claim you're any better you have to actually act better.

Keep it up guys, you'll create another Trump 4 years from now.

So you don't think trump is a racist? Perhaps I didn't realize you were on shady's side. Scary!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 05:55:15 pm
So you don't think trump is a racist? Perhaps I didn't realize you were on shady's side. Scary!

No...  he believes he’s a racist...   but that his racism was caused by stuff “the left” were doing...?  Maybe?  Hard to say with Graham.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 07, 2021, 06:02:35 pm
Listen to who, exactly? The lazy or stupid people who didn't agree with Trump but voted for him anyway and did nothing to prevent the inmates from taking over the asylum? What could they possibly have to tell us that anyone would care to hear? Or the never Trumpers whose depredations during the Bush and Obama years helped create the ideal conditions for a demagogue and whose biggest beef with the guy is how he has ripped the curtain away to show what the Republican party is actually all about?

When one political party and an overwhelming portion of its supporters have decided to take a permanent vacation from reality, what the hell are the rest of us supposed to do? When mainstream media figureheads spend more time fretting about kids on college campuses using funny pronouns and protesting speakers than incipient fascism, who are we supposed to listen to?

You think lazy stupid people only vote Republican? Dream on. Like it or not, 47% of the people who voted in that election voted for Trump and if you think you are going to convince even one of them by calling them names you are sadly mistaken. Why do you think they link everything you stand for with groups like ANTIFA, they are just doing what you have been doing on this thread.  What could they tell you that you would be willing to listen to? You are as big a problem as they are.

The fact is, enough of Trump's policies resonated with the personal lives of these people and there are enough things they dislike about the Democrats that they were willing to vote for the creep anyway. Unless the left comes to terms with that and speaks to it, nothing will change.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 06:03:42 pm
No...  he believes he’s a racist...   but that his racism was caused by stuff “the left” were doing...?  Maybe?  Hard to say with Graham.

Yep, hard to say. I was trying to nail it down. Pretty obvious to me trump is a racist without any help from anybody else.
Anybody trying to excuse donny in any way will hear from me.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 06:19:21 pm
Just hearing donny trump criticizing what happened yesterday, as he ignores the fact he spurred the ridiculous idiots who support him to do what they did. He's a **** criminal and he deserves to be in jail. Let's hope that's where he ends up.;
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 06:20:07 pm
No...  he believes he’s a racist...   but that his racism was caused by stuff “the left” were doing...?  Maybe?  Hard to say with Graham.

Of course Trump is a racist. 

What I'm saying is when over decades politicians do things like let millions of migrants come into the country illegally and stay illegally and the only person who seemingly wants to really stop it is a racist, the voters will vote in a racist to do what nobody else will.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 06:21:48 pm
I just saw footage of some police officers moving gates to the side to let protestors get closer to the capital.  Unbelievable.  Also, the police chief resigned.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 07, 2021, 06:25:09 pm
33% of registered voters identify as Democrats, 29% identify as Republicans, 34% identify as Independent.

When Independents are factored in, 49% of registered voters identify or lean to Democrat and 44% identify or lean to Republican. It's those people the Democrats need to address, not the much smaller number of dedicated MAGATS and calling them names won't get it done.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 06:26:19 pm
Watch this video and listen to what Guliani is saying.  It's no wonder these rioters are so riled up.  I still am not sure if Trump and his crew really believe their own BS or are just purposefully spewing lies.  We're in a post-fact world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ci0Ir34YUI&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 06:35:24 pm
Watch this video and listen to what Guliani is saying.  It's no wonder these rioters are so riled up.  I still am not sure if Trump and his crew really believe their own BS or are just purposefully spewing lies.  We're in a post-fact world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ci0Ir34YUI&feature=emb_logo

Oh come on , wake up. Trump and his crew are well aware of the bullshit they are spewing, or else they wouldn't be spewing it. They simply have hope their idiot followers will buy it, which was demonstrated yesterday that they do.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 07, 2021, 06:46:22 pm
QAnon is a helluva drug.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 07:56:33 pm
So you hate racists, but you call Trump a racial slur and threaten to kill him.  I'm sorry but Shady has a bit of a point, you don't see your hypocrisy.  If you want to claim you're any better you have to actually act better.

Keep it up guys, you'll create another Trump 4 years from now.


Lol
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 09:27:36 pm
Trump tweeted yesterday criticizing Pence for not doing unconstitutional things for him in the Senate.  If even Pence won't do your dirty deeds and then you're throwing him under the bus, you know something is very very wrong.  Unbelievable:

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify" - Trump
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 09:29:15 pm
If they allow the domestic terrorists to get away with this without any accountability, it will be the beginning of the end of the republic to the south of us....    So far, Trump and his terrorist followers are winning....
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 09:31:01 pm
Trump tweeted yesterday criticizing Pence for not doing unconstitutional things for him in the Senate.  If even Pence won't do your dirty deeds and then you're throwing him under the bus, you know something is very very wrong.  Unbelievable:

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify" - Trump

Mike Pence also doesn’t have the courage to invoke the 25th Amendment. 

Trump’s crazy lawyer from his lawsuits said Mike Pence should be the first one in front of the firing squad. 
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On Friday, the pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood tweeted that Vice President Mike Pence should be arrested for treason and executed by firing squad.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-allies-attack-lin-wood-after-pence-execution-tweets-2021-1

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 09:40:54 pm
Mike Pence also doesn’t have the courage to invoke the 25th Amendment.

I guess we'll see.  He also needs to support of most of the Cabinet and Congress to do the 25th.  That's not something you find overnight.

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Trump’s crazy lawyer from his lawsuits said Mike Pence should be the first one in front of the firing squad. 
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-allies-attack-lin-wood-after-pence-execution-tweets-2021-1
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 09:47:06 pm
I guess we'll see.  He also needs to support of most of the Cabinet and Congress to do the 25th.  That's not something you find overnight.
Unbelievable.

Half the cabinet.

NY Times has reported from sources close to the VP that he’s not in favour of the 25th. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 09:56:50 pm
Here’s some of Trump’s allies...

6MWE - 6 million Jews wasn’t enough

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErJDPV-XYAEh_SY.jpg)


Or this guy with a Camp Auschwitz hoodie....

(https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/camp.jpg)


Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 07, 2021, 10:05:04 pm
Here’s some of Trump’s allies...

6MWE - 6 million Jews wasn’t enough

Or this guy with a Camp Auschwitz hoodie....


How is that crap even legal to wear?  They're espousing genocide.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 07, 2021, 10:23:16 pm
You think lazy stupid people only vote Republican? Dream on.

No, i was pretty clearly talking about the people who voted Trump but weren't MAGA, whoever the hell they are. Anyone who voted for Trump because they reflexively tick the R box is a moron who cannot be reached.

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Like it or not, 47% of the people who voted in that election voted for Trump and if you think you are going to convince even one of them by calling them names you are sadly mistaken.

Why would anyone want to convince those dumb dumbs when there's a huge swath of independent/undecided voters waiting to be tapped into?

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Why do you think they link everything you stand for with groups like ANTIFA, they are just doing what you have been doing on this thread. 

The only people who do that are brain poisoned idiots.

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What could they tell you that you would be willing to listen to? You are as big a problem as they are.

And yet you don't answer the question.

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The fact is, enough of Trump's policies resonated with the personal lives of these people and there are enough things they dislike about the Democrats that they were willing to vote for the creep anyway. Unless the left comes to terms with that and speaks to it, nothing will change.

The left is the only faction genuinely interested in improving the material existence of people. the centre is happy with the status quo and the far right only wants to maintain white supremacy. SO what the hell are you blathering about?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 07, 2021, 11:17:10 pm
No, i was pretty clearly talking about the people who voted Trump but weren't MAGA, whoever the hell they are. Anyone who voted for Trump because they reflexively tick the R box is a moron who cannot be reached.

Why would anyone want to convince those dumb dumbs when there's a huge swath of independent/undecided voters waiting to be tapped into?

The only people who do that are brain poisoned idiots.

And yet you don't answer the question.

The left is the only faction genuinely interested in improving the material existence of people. the centre is happy with the status quo and the far right only wants to maintain white supremacy. SO what the hell are you blathering about?

So you are fine with a never ending war with no understanding or compromise. You aren't interested in persuading anyone, just beating them over the head until they see things your way. How does that make you any different from them?

Zealot: noun

a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 07, 2021, 11:20:41 pm
immediately deployed the national guard" to deal with the uprising at tehe capitol yesterday. What a lying prick. He actually encouraged the riot. Anybody here not understand that?  Shady of course but any others to be actually be taken seriously/
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 07, 2021, 11:57:42 pm
Republican Governor of Maryland has come out and said Trump should be removed. 

He had the National Guard ready to go after being called in a panic by politicians trapped in the building, but needed Secretary of Defense permission to deploy them into Washington.  Permission was denied....   until some general in the army called him out of the blue 1 1/2 hours later to give him that permission, despite the fact that the guy wasn’t authorized to do so.

What a shitshow. 

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/08/maryland-governor-describes-delayed-permission-to-send-national-guard/
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 08, 2021, 08:03:21 am
A poem: "Dear Mike Pence, you're so f*cking dense, you sat on the fence for four years, hence, you're now past tense"

EDITED DUE TO EXCELLENT GRAMMAR SCAN BY BUBBA M. ILEY
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 08, 2021, 08:18:18 am
Very nice. Although you need a comma after "years". Otherwise, "hence" could be interpreted as "in the future" and not "therefore", and I don't think you want that.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 10:33:33 am
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/republican-lawmakers-rioters-capitol-photos-b1784170.html?amp

At least 6 elected Republicans from various states took part in the insurrection.  One claims there was no violence...  it’s a media hoax.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 10:39:06 am
So you are fine with a never ending war with no understanding or compromise. You aren't interested in persuading anyone, just beating them over the head until they see things your way. How does that make you any different from them?

Zealot: noun

a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.

I have no idea what you're banging on about here or what you think my point is. By your own admission, Trump voters are either hard core MAGA heads or habitual high-propensity Republican voters: what is to be gained from trying to win them over when there are large swaths of the electorate (independent low-propensity voters) waiting to be tapped into?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 11:02:53 am
LOL the Back the Blue/Blue Lives Matter crowd has now killed more cops  (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1347406077546008578?s=20)than "violent BLM thugs".
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 11:31:41 am
LOL the Back the Blue/Blue Lives Matter crowd has now killed more cops  (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1347406077546008578?s=20)than "violent BLM thugs".

The head of the police union in Philly says this wasn’t insurrection, just a protest.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 08, 2021, 11:42:24 am
oh my! - party time watching the insurrection unfold! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1347445051572498432/pu/vid/720x960/yjdkdKdq91O0j3ll.mp4?tag=10)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 11:47:38 am
I have no idea what you're banging on about here or what you think my point is. By your own admission, Trump voters are either hard core MAGA heads or habitual high-propensity Republican voters: what is to be gained from trying to win them over when there are large swaths of the electorate (independent low-propensity voters) waiting to be tapped into?

I agree but you don't do that by lumping them all together and calling them names.

Like it or not 74 million people voted for Trump. Rather than calling them all morons you might want to ask why they are so disenchanted with the way Washington operates that they would vote for someone like Trump. At least as many independents lean toward Republican as lean Democrat, maybe more.

The Democrats flipped Georgia for the Senate and Whitehouse. Abrams and Biden didn't do that by calling Republican voters morons. The Dems had good candidates and ran a good campaign, the Republicans had crap candidates, ran a lousy campaign and in spite of Trump doing his best to sabotage them, it was still a lot closer than it should have been.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 08, 2021, 11:51:57 am
Like it or not 74 million people voted for Trump.

except for those who reflexively voted Republican... uhhh... you know, party before country!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 08, 2021, 11:55:49 am
Democrats allowed two covid positive members on the house floor to vote last week.  Pretty disgusting.

Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) razor-thin re-election victory as speaker, which required a reckless Pelosi allowing two Democratic House members who tested positive for COVID-19 to vote in person
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/532881-heres-why-manchin-romney-and-collins-are-about-to-wield-serious-senate-power

Also, Manchin, Romney, and Collins will control the Senate.  So no ending the senate filibuster. no Green New Deal, no D.C. statehood, no Puerto Rico statehood, no packing the Supreme Court, etc.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 08, 2021, 12:00:03 pm
a part of the 'brain trust' - note the dude actually wearing his employee ID/lanyard... now publicly fired by his employer! As expected, active ongoing efforts to identify other "patriots".

(https://i.imgur.com/WF98M5u.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 12:05:43 pm
I agree but you don't do that by lumping them all together and calling them names.

Again: the portion of Trump voters I would consider to be winnable for the Dems is a tiny fraction of the total. And those can be peeled off by offering the same prgressive vision that would appeal to the Dem base if only the party would actually embrace that.

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Like it or not 74 million people voted for Trump. Rather than calling them all morons you might want to ask why they are so disenchanted with the way Washington operates that they would vote for someone like Trump. At least as many independents lean toward Republican as lean Democrat, maybe more.

That's not what you said earlier: "When Independents are factored in, 49% of registered voters identify or lean to Democrat and 44% identify or lean to Republican."

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The Democrats flipped Georgia for the Senate and Whitehouse. Abrams and Biden didn't do that by calling Republican voters morons. The Dems had good candidates and ran a good campaign, the Republicans had crap candidates, ran a lousy campaign and in spite of Trump doing his best to sabotage them, it was still a lot closer than it should have been.

They flipped the Senate by running two progressive candidates and working on turning out Dem-leaning voters. They did not bend over backwards to chase rural and suburban white Trump voters. When they did that in places like Kentucky, they got their asses handed to them because noone wants to vote for a fake Republican when there's real Republicans on offer.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 12:06:35 pm
Democrats allowed two covid positive members on the house floor to vote last week.  Pretty disgusting.

Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) razor-thin re-election victory as speaker, which required a reckless Pelosi allowing two Democratic House members who tested positive for COVID-19 to vote in person
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/532881-heres-why-manchin-romney-and-collins-are-about-to-wield-serious-senate-power

Also, Manchin, Romney, and Collins will control the Senate.  So no ending the senate filibuster. no Green New Deal, no D.C. statehood, no Puerto Rico statehood, no packing the Supreme Court, etc.

Hey Shady how many cops did the Kavanaugh protesters beat to death?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 08, 2021, 12:10:36 pm
LOL the Back the Blue/Blue Lives Matter crowd has now killed more cops  (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1347406077546008578?s=20)than "violent BLM thugs".
Here is something else of interest...

The cop that was killed (Brian Sicknick) may have actually been a Trump supporter.

I think its a perfect metaphor for Trumpism... the way people who support it (perhaps with the idea that they may benefit) end up getting harmed in the end.

See: https://wikibious.com/brian-sicknick/
(Not sure how reliable that site is... that's why I said he 'may' have been a Trump supporter. But even if he personally wasn't a Trump supporter, many police organizations were.)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 08, 2021, 12:17:24 pm
Hey Shady how many cops did the Kavanaugh protesters beat to death?
At that time, or when they were rioting and looting during the summer?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 08, 2021, 12:25:45 pm
key sedition architect, Republican Senator Josh Hawley (R - Missouri)... as below, clenched fist salute to TrumpianMob and twitter whines cause his book publisher cancelled!

(https://i.imgur.com/NemJe8O.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 12:26:08 pm
At that time, or when they were rioting and looting during the summer?

I checked the Dead Cop scoreboard going back to the summer and MAGA has a commanding lead over BLM, which has yet to get on the board.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 12:27:12 pm
At that time, or when they were rioting and looting during the summer?

Please cite any BLM leaders or Democrats in office who supported the rioting during the protests.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 12:32:23 pm
key sedition architect, Republican Senator Josh Hawley (R - Missouri)... as below, clenched fist salute to TrumpianMob and twitter whines cause his book publisher cancelled!

(https://i.imgur.com/NemJe8O.jpg)

LOL what a little ****. Maybe he can get a deal with one of those conservative publishing houses that does bulk buys of Ben Shapiro and Trump Jr. tomes to juice sales.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 12:35:56 pm
Hawley is now being slammed in his home state.

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David Humphreys, a businessman and onetime conservative Missouri megadonor, said Thursday that Hawley should be censured for his use of “irresponsible, inflammatory and dangerous tactics.”

“He has now revealed himself as a political opportunist willing to subvert the Constitution and the ideals of the nation he swore to uphold,” Humphreys, president and chief executive of Tamko Building Products, said in a statement to the Missouri Independent.

Humphreys was responsible for about 1/3 of Hawley's campaign donations and now says it was the biggest mistake he ever made.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 12:38:00 pm
LOL what a little ****. Maybe he can get a deal with one of those conservative publishing houses that does bulk buys of Ben Shapiro and Trump Jr. tomes to juice sales.

The stupid f*ck doesn’t even know what free speech is.... 

 hint:  It’s not a violation of your free speech for a business to choose not to do business with you for this reason.

I’m sure this confused Shady even more about what rights are....
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 12:40:32 pm
So in addition to the Q lady who got domed by Capitol Police for trying to crawl through a window she shouldn't have, the death toll also include a guy who tasered himself by accident and died of as heart attack and a woman carrying a Gadsden Flag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag) who was trampled to death on the steps and i'm sorry but this is hilarious stuff.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 12:41:44 pm
The stupid f*ck doesn’t even know what free speech is.... 

 hint:  It’s not a violation of your free speech for a business to choose not to do business with you.

I’m sure this confused Shady even more about what rights are....

Most people who use the phrase "cancel culture" with a straight face don't.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 12:44:04 pm
Capital building stormers now being fired from their jobs in droves. One of these rocket surgeons was even wearing his company ID standing by the QAnon duffus in the Viking hat.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 12:49:27 pm
So in addition to the Q lady who got domed by Capitol Police for trying to crawl through a window she shouldn't have, the death toll also include a guy who tasered himself by accident and died of as heart attack and a woman carrying a Gadsden Flag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag) who was trampled to death on the steps and i'm sorry but this is hilarious stuff.

Seriously? I know people died but that is straight out of Monty Python. You sure you didn't make it up?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 12:50:36 pm
Seriously? I know people died but that is straight out of Monty Python. You sure you didn't make it up?

Caveat emptor (I read it on the internet) but in this case, this is "print the legend" territory.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 12:53:07 pm
Since you're here wilber, in the context of our other discussion I think you might find this interesting:

Poll: Majority of Republicans blame Biden for mob storming the Capitol
 (https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533171-poll-majority-of-republicans-blame-biden-for-mob-storming-the-capitol)

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The poll, which surveyed nearly 1,450 registered voters on the events at the Capitol, found that among Republicans, 52 percent identified Biden as the biggest culprit, rather than Trump himself.

Comparatively, just 26 percent of Republican voters blamed the president for inciting the violence, while another 26 percent pointed fingers at congressional Republicans who vowed to block the official tally of Biden's presidential win.

Republicans were also divided in their support for Wednesday’s events, with 45 percent of registered GOP voters saying they actively supported the actions of the demonstrators, with 43 percent opposing.

Are these are the people you want to reach out to?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 01:01:31 pm
Since you're here wilber, in the context of our other discussion I think you might find this interesting:

Poll: Majority of Republicans blame Biden for mob storming the Capitol
 (https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533171-poll-majority-of-republicans-blame-biden-for-mob-storming-the-capitol)

Are these are the people you want to reach out to?

52% blamed Biden, 26% blamed Trump and 26% blamed Congressional Republicans. That's 104%.

That aside, you absolutely want to reach out to that 52% who blamed Trump or Congressional Republicans.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 01:24:37 pm
52% blamed Biden, 26% blamed Trump and 26% blamed Congressional Republicans. That's 104%.

That aside, you absolutely want to reach out to that 52% who blamed Trump or Congressional Republicans.

Given the nature of the question, I expect there's a fair amount of overlap there so you can't just add the two together. (For example, someone could say that Trump was a great deal to blame and congressional Republicans were somewhat to blame, but that's still one person.) So we're looking at probably around a quarter of Republican voters who would be against the shenanigans this week and of those, how many would actually be reachable to switch? 5%, tops?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 08, 2021, 01:28:22 pm
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So in addition to the Q lady who got domed by Capitol Police for trying to crawl through a window she shouldn't have, the death toll also include a guy who tasered himself by accident and died of as heart attack and a woman carrying a Gadsden Flag who was trampled to death on the steps and i'm sorry but this is hilarious stuff
Seriously? I know people died but that is straight out of Monty Python. You sure you didn't make it up?
From: https://www.rawstory.com/rosanne-boyland-capitol/
A woman who was reportedly trampled to death during a riot inside the U.S. Capitol was reportedly obsessed with the QAnon conspiracy theory, according to her friends and family. A photo shows that she carried a Gadsden "don't tread on me" flag at a protest before the violent siege.

From: https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/01/07/white-privilege-capitol-hill-violence/
By Thursday morning it was known four people died; one was shot by police and the other three suffered medical emergencies. One man died after he apparently struck himself with a taser.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 01:29:39 pm
Given the nature of the question, I expect there's a fair amount of overlap there so you can't just add the two together. (For example, someone could say that Trump was a great deal to blame and congressional Republicans were somewhat to blame, but that's still one person.) So we're looking at probably around a quarter of Republican voters who would be against the shenanigans this week and of those, how many would actually be reachable to switch? 5%, tops?

To reach that 5%, you need to appease their desires for what...?  No healthcare?  No mask mandates?  Not sure what they even stand for.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 01:44:38 pm
Seriously? I know people died but that is straight out of Monty Python. You sure you didn't make it up?

From: https://www.rawstory.com/rosanne-boyland-capitol/
A woman who was reportedly trampled to death during a riot inside the U.S. Capitol was reportedly obsessed with the QAnon conspiracy theory, according to her friends and family. A photo shows that she carried a Gadsden "don't tread on me" flag at a protest before the violent siege.

From: https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/01/07/white-privilege-capitol-hill-violence/
By Thursday morning it was known four people died; one was shot by police and the other three suffered medical emergencies. One man died after he apparently struck himself with a taser.

*takes off hat, places hand over heart* lmao
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 01:50:05 pm
The left is the only faction genuinely interested in improving the material existence of people. the centre is happy with the status quo and the far right only wants to maintain white supremacy.

That's not accurate, it's extremely generalizing.  I agree that there's a lot of elements on the right where white supremacy runs through it.

But overall the left and right simply have different philosophies on how to improve the material existence of people, and these philosophies are directly opposites.  The left is more nurturing and uses a lot of government intervention to achieve their aims, while the right believes more in personal responsibility rather than what they see as "coddling" ("nanny state").  I think both philosophies have necessary validity in them, which is why I'm somewhere around the center on a lot of things, though sometimes left and sometimes right also.

The nature of the left is that they are very compassionate, though can sometimes be too accommodating, and the nature of the right is that they can preach a lot "touch love", though can sometimes be too cruel.  The right tends to attract most of the cruel unsympathetic a-holes by its very nature, which includes racists etc, and that's when the right goes too far.  The further you move from the center, the more naivety you get on the left and the more a-hole you get on the right.  The Democrats have typically been more center or center-right, which is why they've been a much better party than the GOP who are further from the center obviously and more ideological.  We've seen the left go further left in recent years and become more ideological, and this imbalance hasn't always been good for society with divisive SJW stuff etc.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 01:52:22 pm
You can see how much Trump just cares about himself far more than his country given he needs to resign but never will.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 08, 2021, 02:12:19 pm
The stupid f*ck doesn’t even know what free speech is.... 

 hint:  It’s not a violation of your free speech for a business to choose not to do business with you for this reason.

I’m sure this confused Shady even more about what rights are....
He's been confused for a long time.  He thinks doing away with in-camera lobbying is an attack on free speech. Stupid **** probably imagines it has something to do with cameras.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 02:14:26 pm
That's not accurate, it's extremely generalizing.  I agree that there's a lot of elements on the right where white supremacy runs through it.

But overall the left and right simply have different philosophies on how to improve the material existence of people, and these philosophies are directly opposites.  The left is more nurturing and uses a lot of government intervention to achieve their aims, while the right believes more in personal responsibility rather than what they see as "coddling" ("nanny state").  I think both philosophies have necessary validity in them, which is why I'm somewhere around the center on a lot of things, though sometimes left and sometimes right also.

Except the right that believes in the traditional tenets of conservative thought is basically non existent as a political or intellectual force. It's either power grasping slimeballs like Mitch McConnell, grifters like Trump or deranged racist conspiracy freaks. The Dems are

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The nature of the left is that they are very compassionate, though can sometimes be too accommodating, and the nature of the right is that they can preach a lot "touch love", though can sometimes be too cruel.  The right tends to attract most of the cruel unsympathetic a-holes by its very nature, which includes racists etc, and that's when the right goes too far.  The further you move from the center, the more naivety you get on the left and the more a-hole you get on the right.  The Democrats have typically been more center or center-right, which is why they've been a much better party than the GOP who are further from the center obviously and more ideological.  We've seen the left go further left in recent years and become more ideological, and this imbalance hasn't always been good for society with divisive SJW stuff etc.

The problem I have with centrists is that too many seem to see moderation as en end to itself and so they end up standing for absolutely nothing. As for the left went too far left, as someone who has been in left circles for decades, I don't buy that at all. What's changed is the extent to which niche cultural issue shave been seized on by the right as evidence of the left going too far because the right is obsessed with a culture war they've already lost and have abandoned everything else.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 08, 2021, 02:35:46 pm
Could be an interesting 12 days coming up as trump says he won't resign as attempts to either impeach or invoke the 25th to give him his comeuppance gather speed.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 02:45:21 pm
Could be an interesting 12 days coming up as trump says he won't resign as attempts to either impeach or invoke the 25th to give him his comeuppance gather speed.

Neither of those things will happen. Congress has recessed until after the inauguration. No one wants to take the lead, they just want to blah blah blah and run out the clock.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 02:49:57 pm
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I wonder if user Shady can tell us how many Kavanaugh hearing protesters showed up equipped with handguns and zip tie handcuffs.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 03:08:25 pm
Except the right that believes in the traditional tenets of conservative thought is basically non existent as a political or intellectual force. It's either power grasping slimeballs like Mitch McConnell, grifters like Trump or deranged racist conspiracy freaks. The Dems are
I don't think it's non-existent, I think it's been recently overshadowed by the loudest people who make a lot of noise and headlines.  A mild-mannered Mitt Romney doesn't make the headlines like a Ted Cruz does, because Cruz is an arse, and the followers of a Trump are more passionate than people who like someone like Romney, because Trump is further to the right and wants a lot more change in this culture war.

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The problem I have with centrists is that too many seem to see moderation as en end to itself and so they end up standing for absolutely nothing. As for the left went too far left, as someone who has been in left circles for decades, I don't buy that at all. What's changed is the extent to which niche cultural issue shave been seized on by the right as evidence of the left going too far because the right is obsessed with a culture war they've already lost and have abandoned everything else.

Nobody can deny that the left has swung more to the left in the last 5 years or so, while the right has polarized more to the right.  The right isn't the only one obsessed with a culture war.  You need at least 2 opposing sides in any war.  The left is struggling for one thing while the right is struggling for the opposite, and they both see themselves as victims fighting for their rights.

This all comes from demographic change of race and culture in the West and America.  The white babyboomers are dying off and their children aren't having as many kids, while more immigration from non-white countries fill that population gap.  There's more ethnic minorities in our society than ever before, and they're fighting for their space, while rightwing white people are fighting to maintain the space they've had since the beginning of their respective countries.  Conflict of some kind was inevitable.  You can't add millions of ie: Muslims to the UK or France and not expect conflict.  We just have to hope that things sort themselves out eventually, and this doesn't turn into something we never get rid of like Sunni vs Shia or Quebec vs Canada.

One of the problems with the left is they can be naive and overly idealistic.  They preach multiculturalism and assume everyone can get along, but reality is usually a lot messier because groups inevitably struggle for power and dominance.  (I'm not saying multiculturalism is bad, I'm just saying it's messy).
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 03:26:56 pm
I don't think it's non-existent, I think it's been recently overshadowed by the loudest people who make a lot of noise and headlines.  A mild-mannered Mitt Romney doesn't make the headlines like a Ted Cruz does, because Cruz is an arse, and the followers of a Trump are more passionate than people who like someone like Romney, because Trump is further to the right and wants a lot more change in this culture war.

Maybe not "non-existent" but definitely powerless and without influence. No one on the right gives a **** about Mitt Romney and many think he's a traitor and a cuck.

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Nobody can deny that the left has swung more to the left in the last 5 years or so, while the right has polarized more to the right.  The right isn't the only one obsessed with a culture war.  You need at least 2 opposing sides in any war. 

I can and do.

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The left is struggling for one thing while the right is struggling for the opposite, and they both see themselves as victims fighting for their rights.

The things the left wants: free healthcare, affordable education, an end to police brutality, human rights for marginalized communities.
Things the right wants: social and economic dominance.

This is not a "both sides" thing.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 08, 2021, 03:34:57 pm
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I wonder if user Shady can tell us how many Kavanaugh hearing protesters showed up equipped with handguns and zip tie handcuffs.
So storming the capital is ok as long as you don't have zip ties?  You're a clown.  I don't know how many Kavanaugh stormers had hand guns or zip ties.  The media didn't seem to care.  Regardless, the Kavanaugh stormers are the same people that rioted and looted and destroyed cities for several months during the summer.  But they're very fine people right! LOL
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 03:43:31 pm
So storming the capital is ok as long as you don't have zip ties?  You're a clown. 

An armed mob storming the Capitol to try and overturn a democratic election and possibly kidnap members of the government is not the same thing as a group of loud and rowdy protesters heckling a confirmation hearing, you rube, you utter moron.

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I don't know how many Kavanaugh stormers had hand guns or zip ties.  The media didn't seem to care.

LMAO

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Regardless, the Kavanaugh stormers are the same people that rioted and looted and destroyed cities for several months during the summer.  But they're very fine people right! LOL

Are they tho? I doubt that very much.

Meanwhile more dummies from your side are getting arrested. One guy had a rifle, 11 Molotov cocktails and a pipebomb. Both sides that one you dumb b*tch.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 08, 2021, 03:52:06 pm
So storming the capital is ok as long as you don't have zip ties?  You're a clown.  I don't know how many Kavanaugh stormers had hand guns or zip ties.  The media didn't seem to care.  Regardless, the Kavanaugh stormers are the same people that rioted and looted and destroyed cities for several months during the summer.  But they're very fine people right! LOL

Good gawd shady, you are so gullible. But here is some reading for you (with pics if you find reading difficult) to give you some idea of who the retards are who stormed the capitol yesterday. You will probably especially like the image of Richard Barnett sitting at Pelosis's desk. He demonstrated just what a retard he also is when interviewed. Hope he enjoys his time in jail. He'll be with his type of people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/55572805
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 05:45:05 pm
The things the left wants: free healthcare, affordable education, an end to police brutality, human rights for marginalized communities.
Things the right wants: social and economic dominance.

This is not a "both sides" thing.

As long as you define the conflict for yourself under those simplistic black-and-white terms you will be completely unwilling to do anything but be uncompromising and demonizing towards the right.  And if there's people on the right who are the same, then we have ourselves protracted conflict now don't we?  This is the exact reason why Congress is so dysfunctional.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 05:51:59 pm
As long as you define the conflict for yourself under those simplistic black-and-white terms you will be completely unwilling to do anything but be uncompromising and demonizing towards the right.  And if there's people on the right who are the same, then we have ourselves protracted conflict now don't we?  This is the exact reason why Congress is so dysfunctional.

Prove me wrong!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 06:18:24 pm
Prove me wrong!

People with your line of thinking will look at people who are anti-abortion and say "they just want to uphold the patriarchy and have men controlling women's bodies".  I'm sure some do, but some on the left never consider the possibility that many on the right who are pro-life actually don't like seeing innocent lives killed.

And of course "the left" and "the right" aren't monoliths, there's all sorts of people with all sorts of varying views on things.  A sizeable portion of Republican voters are for sure  racists, but we also can't paint everyone with these kinds of broad strokes.  These black and white negative stereotypes are what cause racist thinking in the first place.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 08, 2021, 06:26:17 pm
Capital police actually opened the door for protesters, and then stood aside as everyone walked in.

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=21
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 08, 2021, 06:29:24 pm
Yes, investigations currently include some police who might have been complicit.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 06:33:20 pm
People with your line of thinking will look at people who are anti-abortion and say "they just want to uphold the patriarchy and have men controlling women's bodies".  I'm sure some do, but some on the left never consider the possibility that many on the right who are pro-life actually don't like seeing innocent lives killed.

No...  we look at people’s actions....  anti-abortion has the effect of upholding patriarchy and controlling women’s bodies, regardless of what the intentions are. 

You can love babies and just want them all born, but the actions to ensure that happens have consequences.

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And of course "the left" and "the right" aren't monoliths, there's all sorts of people with all sorts of varying views on things.  A sizeable portion of Republican voters are for sure  racists, but we also can't paint everyone with these kinds of broad strokes.  These black and white negative stereotypes are what cause racist thinking in the first place.

You say that, and yet in your previous sentence you just assumed what “the left” thinks about anti-abortionists.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 07:01:33 pm
No...  we look at people’s actions....  anti-abortion has the effect of upholding patriarchy and controlling women’s bodies, regardless of what the intentions are. 

You can love babies and just want them all born, but the actions to ensure that happens have consequences.
Yes, let's look at people's actions.  Abortions also cause the death of a human being, regardless of what the intentions are.  Abortions are needed usually because people have sex without properly considering and accepting the risks of having sex, especially when done without using the proper precautions.  And people often try to dehumanize the baby to make it easier for themselves to legitimize killing it by insisting life doesn't begin until some arbitrary point, or by only referring to it as a "fetus" or "just a bundle of cells".

Also, who is "we".  Are you a part of some monolithic team i'm not aware of?

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You say that, and yet in your previous sentence you just assumed what “the left” thinks about anti-abortionists.

That's a mischaracterization of what I said made in bad faith.  I said "some on the left".
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 07:11:38 pm
People with your line of thinking will look at people who are anti-abortion and say "they just want to uphold the patriarchy and have men controlling women's bodies".  I'm sure some do, but some on the left never consider the possibility that many on the right who are pro-life actually don't like seeing innocent lives killed.

I’ve considered the possibility and concluded people who think a clump of cells is worth more than a full grown human are dumb, regardless of how earnest they are about “protecting life.” Also those same people tend to also vote for parties that do not give a **** about people’s lives so double **** them.

The idea that we’re dealing with strawmen or caricatures is preposterous. It’s easier than ever before to encounter viewpoints you don’t agree with: indeed that exposure to different ideas is EXACTLY WHY I don’t agree with them.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 07:13:07 pm
Yes, let's look at people's actions.  Abortions also cause the death of a human being, regardless of what the intentions are.  Abortions are needed usually because people have sex without properly considering and accepting the risks of having sex, especially when done without using the proper precautions.  And people often try to dehumanize the baby to make it easier for themselves to legitimize killing it by insisting life doesn't begin until some arbitrary point, or by only referring to it as a "fetus" or "just a bundle of cells".

Also, who is "we".  Are you a part of some monolithic team i'm not aware of?

That's a mischaracterization of what I said made in bad faith.  I said "some on the left".

Literally what they are but go off.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 08, 2021, 07:16:47 pm
Yes, let's look at people's actions.  Abortions also cause the death of a human being, regardless of what the intentions are.  Abortions are needed usually because people have sex without properly considering and accepting the risks of having sex, especially when done without using the proper precautions.  And people often try to dehumanize the baby to make it easier for themselves to legitimize killing it by insisting life doesn't begin until some arbitrary point, or by only referring to it as a "fetus" or "just a bundle of cells".

Also, who is "we".  Are you a part of some monolithic team i'm not aware of?

That's a mischaracterization of what I said made in bad faith.  I said "some on the left".
Great point.  I find that the pro-abortion side is used to arguing with people of religious backgrounds, so when you present science to them, they have no idea what to do.  I always laugh at the stupidity of the “lump of cells” argument.  We’re all a lump of cells.  Even in old age.  But it doesn’t discount the evolution of medical science, and the 3D ultrasound.  I think heartbeat laws are the wave of the future.  If you want to terminate your pregnancy, do so earlier instead of later.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: BC_cheque on January 08, 2021, 07:20:16 pm
Great point.  I find that the pro-abortion side is used to arguing with people of religious backgrounds, so when you present science to them, they have no idea what to do.  I always laugh at the stupidity of the “lump of cells” argument.  We’re all a lump of cells.  Even in old age.  But it doesn’t discount the evolution of medical science, and the 3D ultrasound.  I think heartbeat laws are the wave of the future.  If you want to terminate your pregnancy, do so earlier instead of later.

Interesting to see this argument made from the who-cares-if-geriatrics-die-let-the-economy-roll cheerleader.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 07:20:49 pm
Yes, let's look at people's actions.  Abortions also cause the death of a human being,

Do you think someone should be forced to give up a kidney for a child if that child might die without it?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 07:24:50 pm
Capital police actually opened the door for protesters, and then stood aside as everyone walked in.

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=21

One cop says "I disagree with it, but I respect [cuts out]".   Respect what exactly?  People's right for mobs to the Capital Building???
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 08, 2021, 07:25:40 pm
Interesting to see this argument made from the who-cares-if-geriatrics-die-let-the-economy-roll cheerleader.
That certainly isn’t my view.  Are you always this disingenuous?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 08, 2021, 07:30:05 pm
One cop says "I disagree with it, but I respect [cuts out]".   Respect what exactly?  People's right for mobs to the Capital Building???
Yes, I don’t understand what was going on there.  I don’t get it.  All of that could’ve been avoided if they just kept the doors closed.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 07:35:51 pm
Literally what they are but go off.

If I scrape my cheek that's a bundle of cells.

Technically you're a bundle of cells too.  At what exact specific point does a bundle of cells become a human life?

Thank you for proving my point.  Nazis and slave-owners and European colonizers dehumanized the people they killed too...it's a strategy people use to keep the guilt away.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 07:37:32 pm
Yes, I don’t understand what was going on there.  I don’t get it.  All of that could’ve been avoided if they just kept the doors closed.

Maybe but you are right in that you can't just walk into the Capital building you have to take a tour, just like our Parliament building.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 07:41:34 pm
I’ve considered the possibility and concluded people who think a clump of cells is worth more than a full grown human are dumb, regardless of how earnest they are about “protecting life.” Also those same people tend to also vote for parties that do not give a **** about people’s lives so double **** them.

In what situation would someone say a clump of cells be worth more than a full grown human?  I would agree that if the mother's life is in danger then her life should supersede the baby's.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 07:44:44 pm
Do you think someone should be forced to give up a kidney for a child if that child might die without it?

I'd say no.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 08:10:53 pm
I'd say no.

But you think a woman should have to use her body, and put herself at risk for what is potentially not even a foetus yet, but is literally a small clump of cells?

But for a living, breathing human being who is 5 years old, a parent doesn’t need to give them a kidney.

So you think a foetus should have MORE rights than a 5 year old child.

Weird.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 08, 2021, 08:14:20 pm
I'd say no.
I wouldn’t entertain that comparison.  It doesn’t make any sense at all.  These people still continue to ignore science.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on January 08, 2021, 08:15:14 pm
Yes, I don’t understand what was going on there.  I don’t get it.  All of that could’ve been avoided if they just kept the doors closed.
That's pretty naive. They were breaking down doors. Dumbfuck got shot in the neck climbing through a broken window.
But Trump refused to call in the guard because he was trying to use the riot to stop the vote. That didn't help.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 08:40:26 pm
Do you think someone should be forced to give up a kidney for a child if that child might die without it?

Nothing dies if you give up a kidney. Maybe a better question would be, would you allow a child to die for lack of a kidney.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 08:44:07 pm
Nothing dies if you give up a kidney. Maybe a better question would be, would you allow a child to die for lack of a kidney.

No.  Should someone be forced to give up a kidney, by law, if a child needs it?   That is the equivalent.

It’s not abou you allowing something...  it’s about bodily autonomy and the force of law.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 08:51:53 pm
No.  Should someone be forced to give up a kidney, by law, if a child needs it?   That is the equivalent.

It’s not abou you allowing something...  it’s about bodily autonomy and the force of law.
No and I don't think a woman should be forced to keep a foetus either but I don't think it is a great comparison.
Regardless of what laws we pass the debate over abortion and when a foetus becomes a person will never end.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 09:08:10 pm
No and I don't think a woman should be forced to keep a foetus either but I don't think it is a great comparison.
Regardless of what laws we pass the debate over abortion and when a foetus becomes a person will never end.

The analogous question concedes that a foetus is a person...  so it is the perfect analogy and shows the flaws in the anti-abortion argument.

Anyone who says that a parent shouldn’t be forced to provide a kidney, acknowledges that they think a fetus should have more rights than a 5 year old.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 09:20:28 pm
But you think a woman should have to use her body, and put herself at risk for what is potentially not even a foetus yet, but is literally a small clump of cells?

But for a living, breathing human being who is 5 years old, a parent doesn’t need to give them a kidney.

So you think a foetus should have MORE rights than a 5 year old child.

Weird.

What part of this post do you think is ‘dumb’ Graham?  Where’s the disagreement?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 09:35:01 pm
No.  Should someone be forced to give up a kidney, by law, if a child needs it?   That is the equivalent.

It’s not abou you allowing something...  it’s about bodily autonomy and the force of law.

No I don't think the state should be ripping open your body and taking out your kidney.  And no I don't think people should be creating life through their own willful and consensual actions, and then killing that life when those choices don't go the way they want.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 09:36:25 pm
I started a new thread to continue discussing abortion here:  https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/general-discussion/baby-killing-culture/
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 08, 2021, 09:43:05 pm
No I don't think the state should be ripping open your body and taking out your kidney.
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And no I don't think people should be creating life through their own willful and consensual actions, and then killing that life when those choices don't go the way they want.

Bullshit comparison between your quotes.

Explain why a woman shouldn’t have to give up a kidney to her child, but should be forced to maintain a pregnancy against her will.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 10:30:26 pm
Great point.  I find that the pro-abortion side is used to arguing with people of religious backgrounds, so when you present science to them, they have no idea what to do.  I always laugh at the stupidity of the “lump of cells” argument.  We’re all a lump of cells.  Even in old age.  But it doesn’t discount the evolution of medical science, and the 3D ultrasound.  I think heartbeat laws are the wave of the future.  If you want to terminate your pregnancy, do so earlier instead of later.


Lol what the **** does something having a heartbeat prove? Fetal pigs have heartbeats too but I bet you eat bacon you hypocritical piece of garbage.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 10:31:30 pm
Yes, I don’t understand what was going on there.  I don’t get it.  All of that could’ve been avoided if they just kept the doors closed.

They were climbing through the windows you moron.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 10:35:02 pm
If I scrape my cheek that's a bundle of cells.

Technically you're a bundle of cells too.  At what exact specific point does a bundle of cells become a human life?

Thank you for proving my point.  Nazis and slave-owners and European colonizers dehumanized the people they killed too...it's a strategy people use to keep the guilt away.


And they also dictated who could reproduce and when you disingenuous chucklefuck.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 08, 2021, 10:36:20 pm
In what situation would someone say a clump of cells be worth more than a full grown human?  I would agree that if the mother's life is in danger then her life should supersede the baby's.

Ok they can put it to a vote. Oh wait: fetuses can’t vote.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 10:39:26 pm
Ok they can put it to a vote. Oh wait: fetuses can’t vote.

Neither could black slaves.  Or a toddler.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 08, 2021, 10:41:25 pm
And they also dictated who could reproduce and when you disingenuous chucklefuck.

Right, they were treated as subhuman.

The emotional insult isn't an argument and will be ignored.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 08, 2021, 11:44:18 pm
Hey guys. If you want to have an abortion debate maybe you should start a thread that isn't about the US election transition.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 09, 2021, 12:03:44 am
Hey guys. If you want to have an abortion debate maybe you should start a thread that isn't about the US election transition.

Graham is way ahead of you...    he called it “murdering babies” or something stupid like that.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 09, 2021, 03:56:21 am
key sedition architect, Republican Senator Josh Hawley (R - Missouri)... as below, clenched fist salute to TrumpianMob and twitter whines cause his book publisher cancelled!

(https://i.imgur.com/NemJe8O.jpg)


U.S. Senators Hawley & Cruz did nazi this coming!  ;D

Quote from: U.S. President-Elect Joe Biden when asked if he thinks Republican Senators Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz should resign from Congress over their Electoral College challenge
I think the American public has a good clear look at who they are. They're part of the Big Lie. Goebbels said in the Great Lie, you keep repeating the lie, repeating the lie.

(https://i.imgur.com/SPDuUpo.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 09, 2021, 04:04:16 am
waldo PSA: Trump Final Days Dashboard Tracker - Resignations, Twitter Suspensions, Calls for Impeachment/25th Amendment (https://public.tableau.com/profile/benjamin.renton#!/vizhome/WhiteHouseResignationTracker/TwitterSuspensionsDashboard)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 09, 2021, 06:25:32 am
Trump gets kicked out of twitter for fear he may again try to incite violence. Quite a legacy Donny!
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 09, 2021, 06:48:50 am
I had a dream last night that the US nuked Iran.

There was a news item that Pelosi was interfering in the chain of command ?  Lots of strangeness right now.   
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 09, 2021, 09:04:53 am
I had a dream last night that the US nuked Iran.

There was a news item that Pelosi was interfering in the chain of command ?  Lots of strangeness right now.


Apparently Miss Nancy spoke to the Chief of Defence Staff and was assured Trump wouldn't be ordering any first strikes.

Talk of Trump and the codes got me thinking of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZct-itCwPE

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: guest78 on January 09, 2021, 11:49:44 am
To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, people will do what they do.

https://youtu.be/2PlxXhMG2bU
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 09, 2021, 12:05:48 pm
I had a dream last night that the US nuked Iran.

There was a news item that Pelosi was interfering in the chain of command ?  Lots of strangeness right now.

The thought of a wingnut like trump having access to the nuclear codes was a scary one that crossed my mind. Luckily I did happen to be listening when there was an interview with a military commander discussing that very thing. According to him even though the POTUS has the authority to request a strike, the chain of command must be convinced there is a sufficient threat to require such a response. So donny can't pull the trigger just to try to extend his time in office. Hearing that quelled my fears in large part, however I won't fully relax until mcbonespurs is sent out of the WH.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 09, 2021, 12:50:21 pm
waldo PSA: Trump Final Days Dashboard Tracker - Resignations, Twitter Suspensions, Calls for Impeachment/25th Amendment (https://public.tableau.com/profile/benjamin.renton#!/vizhome/WhiteHouseResignationTracker/TwitterSuspensionsDashboard)

(yet another) waldo PSA: the magic, wonder, insight and inspiration is still available - Trump's Twitter account archive (fully searchable) (https://www.thetrumparchive.com/)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 09, 2021, 01:17:19 pm
tweet deletions... and a timed 12-hour suspension weren't enough to temper Trump's fueling of the insurrection; ultimately Twitter Safety acted to permanently suspend Trump's account (as did other 'social networks'):

(https://i.imgur.com/xq4aExy.png)

the wascallyTrump then proceeded to try to get the message out through other accounts; of which some were either subject to tweet removals and access restrictions and/or ultimately permanent suspension - accounts inclusive of the official WH (@POTUS), Trump campaign (@TeamTrump) and the personal account of the digital director for the Trump campaign (@garycoby)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 09, 2021, 02:26:36 pm
the wascallyTrump then proceeded to try to get the message out through other accounts; of which some were either subject to tweet removals and access restrictions and/or ultimately permanent suspension - accounts inclusive of the official WH (@POTUS), Trump campaign (@TeamTrump) and the personal account of the digital director for the Trump campaign (@garycoby)
You would think that an individual who has the job where they deal with digital media would be smart enough to understand what a "twitter Ban" means. But there you go.

Trump only hires the best.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 09, 2021, 02:52:10 pm
To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, people will do what they do.

I agree confederate statues should be removed from public space.  The process to do so it's vandalism, it's to protest government so that they will take them down through legal orderly means and consent of the governed.  Rioting mobs are not good for democracy, safety, or society.  Nobody's level of outrage justifies vandalism.  It's the same for the rioting mobs who entered the Capital Building.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 09, 2021, 03:58:19 pm
You would think that an individual who has the job where they deal with digital media would be smart enough to understand what a "twitter Ban" means. But there you go.

Trump only hires the best.

You would think people still working for Trump would be leery of indulging his fantasies. They run a risk of winding up in front of a judge with no one to pardon them.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 09, 2021, 04:13:39 pm
So Dominion is suing Sidney Powell for 1.3 billion. That's a court case she should enjoy.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 09, 2021, 05:59:04 pm
Capital police actually opened the door for protesters, and then stood aside as everyone walked in.

What reason would you have to police things differently, prescient foresight or regretful hindsight?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 10, 2021, 12:41:19 am
Parler, the pro-Trump 'alternative' social media site (since 2018) - regularly touted by advocates for its "free expression"... absence of censorship! Apparently, with recent days activities, consequences to its conservative and extremist devotees:

=> Google suspended the Parler app from the Google Play Store
=> Apple suspended the Parler app from the App Store
=> Amazon notified Parler that its AWS cloud hosting service would be terminated tomorrow (Sunday)

Parler CEO, John Matze:

(https://i.imgur.com/loKNHFM.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 10, 2021, 01:15:37 pm
Capital police actually opened the door for protesters, and then stood aside as everyone walked in.

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=21

No surprise. Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 10, 2021, 02:34:02 pm
Parler, the pro-Trump 'alternative' social media site (since 2018) - regularly touted by advocates for its "free expression"... absence of censorship! Apparently, with recent days activities, consequences to its conservative and extremist devotees:

=> Google suspended the Parler app from the Google Play Store
=> Apple suspended the Parler app from the App Store
=> Amazon notified Parler that its AWS cloud hosting service would be terminated tomorrow (Sunday)

one of the more vile Trump boot-lickers, Devin Nunes (R - California), while communicating through Fox News... claims that Republicans have no way to communicate now! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1348298058618920963/pu/vid/1238x720/0kGikHyS3eLF9ICV.mp4?tag=10)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 10, 2021, 02:57:14 pm
newly elected West Virginia Republican state legislator, Derrick Evans, resigns after the U.S. Department of Justice announced his being charged with, "one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds".

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/derrick-evans-riot.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)

apparently, the guy live-streamed his actions; including shouting the following as he crossed the doorway threshold into the U.S. Capitol:

Quote
We’re in, we’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!

#sharpToolshedTool
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 10, 2021, 05:31:18 pm
one of the more vile Trump boot-lickers, Devin Nunes (R - California), while communicating through Fox News... claims that Republicans have no way to communicate now! (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1348298058618920963/pu/vid/1238x720/0kGikHyS3eLF9ICV.mp4?tag=10)
There was a recent comedy show on Netflix (something like 'Goodbye 2020') that made fun of claims like that.

They had a right-wing character claiming "conservatives are being silenced... as I told Tucker Carlson on his show... during two appearances.. when I was promoting my book 'conservatives are being silenced'."
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 10, 2021, 05:35:50 pm
GWU summary 'repository' of court records related to the January 6, 2021 'March to Save America' Capitol Hill Siege (https://extremism.gwu.edu/Capitol-Hill-Cases); Summary & Breakdown of Charges / Individuals Charged:
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 10, 2021, 05:47:15 pm
GWU summary 'repository' of court records related to the January 6, 2021 'March to Save America' Capitol Hill Siege (https://extremism.gwu.edu/Capitol-Hill-Cases); Summary & Breakdown of Charges / Individuals Charged:

(https://i.imgur.com/iVDYxMO.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 10, 2021, 07:24:20 pm
Several cops participated in the insurrection.

2 Virginia police officers are on administrative leave after attending event at Capitol last Wednesday
From CNN's Chuck Johnston
Two Rocky Mount, Virginia, police officers are on administrative leave after attending an event in Washington, DC, last Wednesday, according to the Rocky Mount Police Department.

The two off-duty officers were present at an event in DC on Wednesday, a statement the department released on Sunday said.

“The Town of Rocky Mount fully supports all lawful expressions of freedom of speech and assembly by its employees but does not condone the unlawful acts that occurred that day. Based on the available information, the Police Department has notified federal authorities and the individuals that were present at the event are on administrative leave pending review.”
Rocky Mount is located about 25 miles south of Roanoke, Virginia.

On Friday night, the Seattle Police Department had placed at least two officers on administrative leave while officials investigate whether they took part in Wednesday's deadly riot at the US Capitol in Washington, DC, the department's chief, Adrian Diaz, said in a statement.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: BC_cheque on January 10, 2021, 07:53:13 pm
One committed suicide today.  Too early to know the details, but it makes you wonder...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 10, 2021, 09:33:26 pm
These are some of the patriots, as Ivanka Trump called them, who attempted the coup/insurrection:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-hill-insurrection-extremist-flags-soh/index.html

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210108211100-09-capitol-hill-extremist-flags-kraken-3pct-flag-jpg-exlarge-169.jpg)

The Three Percenters (also known as III%ers, 3%ers or Threepers) are part of the militia movement in the United States and are anti-government extremists, according to the ADL.

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210110113436-capitol-hills-extremist-flags-proud-boys-illo-exlarge-169.jpg[//img]

White supremacy hand signs...

[img width=200] https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210108211325-08-capitol-hill-extremist-flags-kekistan-flag-jpg-exlarge-169.jpg)

4 Chan extremists who take inspiration of their flag from Nazis.

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210108211300-05-capitol-hill-extremist-flags-confederate-dont-tread-jpg-exlarge-169.jpg)

this one doesn’t need any description.

Plus, a bunch of anti-Semitic shirts, slogans and hoodies.

These are the patriots.

Shady’s heroes.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 10, 2021, 09:48:37 pm
One committed suicide today.  Too early to know the details, but it makes you wonder...

Sad.
It's an occupational hazard for police. Spending your working life dealing with the worst of society takes its toll.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 10, 2021, 10:19:13 pm
Sad.
It's an occupational hazard for police. Spending your working life dealing with the worst of society takes its toll.

That could be the case....  or he felt bad about not doing what he should have done?  Did he let the insurrectionists into the building?  Or maybe he actively aided them and didn’t want to do the perp-walk as a traitor...

No info about it yet...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: JMT on January 10, 2021, 11:03:22 pm
A few days ago I learned what 6MWE meant because of this event. **** those people.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 10, 2021, 11:30:16 pm
There's nothing racist about the Gadsden flag.  It's unfortunately been used a lot lately by some d-bag far-right "freedom lovers".  It was created during the American Revolution.  The snake represents the 13 colonies joined in union together that will strike if stepped on (like a rattlesnake), that comes from the "Join or Die" cartoon attributed to Ben Franklin in 1754 where each part of the cut up snake represents one of the 13 colonies:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/716Xnl4%2BIfL._AC_SX466_.jpg)


Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 10, 2021, 11:35:33 pm
WTF:

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210108211400-03-capitol-hill-extremist-flags-civil-war-jpg-exlarge-169.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 10, 2021, 11:49:28 pm
There's nothing racist about the Gadsden flag.  It's unfortunately been used a lot lately by some d-bag far-right "freedom lovers".

It has been co-opted by racist a-holes.  Like many historic flags.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 11, 2021, 12:22:28 am
Parler, the pro-Trump 'alternative' social media site (since 2018) - regularly touted by advocates for its "free expression"... absence of censorship! Apparently, with recent days activities, consequences to its conservative and extremist devotees:

=> Google suspended the Parler app from the Google Play Store
=> Apple suspended the Parler app from the App Store
=> Amazon notified Parler that its AWS cloud hosting service would be terminated tomorrow (Sunday)

Parler CEO John Matze: Matze conceded that the bans could put the company out of business while raising free speech issues, calling it “an assault on everybody.”

Quote
They all work together to make sure at the same time we would lose access to not only our apps, but they’re actually shutting all of our servers off tonight, off the internet. They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company. And it’s not just these three companies. Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day.

They’re trying to falsely claim that we’re somehow responsible for the events that occurred on the 6th.

It would put anybody out of business. This thing could destroy anybody.

We’re going to try our best to get back online as quickly as possible. But we’re having a lot of trouble because every vendor we talk to says they won’t work with us. Because if Apple doesn’t approve and Google doesn’t approve, they won’t.

(https://i.imgur.com/ToGUeOk.jpg)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 11, 2021, 05:08:45 am
What it does mean, though, is that AWS has monopolistic power.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 11, 2021, 07:45:32 am
I like that Shopify and CC transaction companies have also bailed on Trump. That means he can't even fundraise properly. He'll have to take cash collections at rallies or something.

 :D
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: JMT on January 11, 2021, 09:21:52 am
I like that Shopify and CC transaction companies have also bailed on Trump. That means he can't even fundraise properly. He'll have to take cash collections at rallies or something.

 :D

I like that he can't make a playlist on Spotify.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 11, 2021, 10:24:02 am
has anybody got something that debunks the 'stolen election' accusations one by one ?

That might be a good thing to see
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 11, 2021, 10:40:15 am
Records show fervent Trump fans fuelled US Capitol takeover (https://apnews.com/article/us-capitol-trump-supporters-1806ea8dc15a2c04f2a68acd6b55cace)

Real bunch of winners here.

Wild how there are so many serving or former LEOs and military in there, I wonder if that says something about those particular institutions...
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 11, 2021, 10:59:18 am
Parler CEO John Matze: Matze conceded that the bans could put the company out of business while raising free speech issues, calling it “an assault on everybody.”
Even better...

Supposedly before it was kicked off Amazon's web services, hackers managed to get in and download all sorts of records (even material that was supposedly 'deleted').

From: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqbex/parler-is-gone-but-hackers-say-they-downloaded-everything-first
Right-wing social network Parler was taken offline in the early hours of Monday morning, but not before hackers found a way to download all data posted by users — including messages, images, videos, and users’ location data — shared during last week’s attack on the Capitol....Trump supporters are already voicing their concerns about what the data dump could expose about them and their activity in Washington, D.C. last week.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 11, 2021, 11:16:46 am
What it does mean, though, is that AWS has monopolistic power.
Yes they are.

Well, except for Google Cloud services. And Microsoft Azure.

Oh, and Oracle cloud. And Alibaba cloud. And VMWare cloud. But other than Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Alibaba and VMWare, AWS is a monopoly. (Oh, and I think Dell runs a cloud service too.)

Unless of course Parler sets up a server farm themselves. Its not REALLY that difficult. (The company I work for set up VMWare instances for hosting multiple clients in the past. And we've only got 1 or 2 "technicians".)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 12:16:39 pm
has anybody got something that debunks the 'stolen election' accusations one by one ?

That might be a good thing to see

I agree.

But the courts rejected his evidence, including the conservative-leaning SCOTUS.  I suppose one could bring up those court cases if they're on public record.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 12:20:17 pm
Records show fervent Trump fans fuelled US Capitol takeover (https://apnews.com/article/us-capitol-trump-supporters-1806ea8dc15a2c04f2a68acd6b55cace)

Real bunch of winners here.

Wild how there are so many serving or former LEOs and military in there, I wonder if that says something about those particular institutions...

Police and military have always attracted the violence a-holes of society just given the nature of the job (using guns and power).  These types don't become social workers.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 12:26:57 pm
Parler CEO John Matze: Matze conceded that the bans could put the company out of business while raising free speech issues, calling it “an assault on everybody.”

The debate on free speech on social media platforms is interesting.  Some companies feel they have an obligation to police content.  Others like Parler can make the argument that they are like internet service providers or telephone companies where they shouldn't have to moderate content and leave it up to the police authorities if someone breaks the law.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 11, 2021, 12:34:48 pm
Police and military have always attracted the violence a-holes of society just given the nature of the job (using guns and power).  These types don't become social workers.

And yet we expect them to be social workers.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 11, 2021, 12:39:10 pm
Police and military have always attracted the violence a-holes of society just given the nature of the job (using guns and power).  These types don't become social workers.

Which is the crux of the whole "defund the police" thing.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 01:11:15 pm
Which is the crux of the whole "defund the police" thing.

Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 11, 2021, 01:12:48 pm
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.

Which means you will need social workers alongside of police. Will people  be prepared to pay for that?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 01:23:52 pm
Which means you will need social workers alongside of police. Will people  be prepared to pay for that?

It would be worth the money.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 11, 2021, 01:30:42 pm
Yes they are.

Well, except for Google Cloud services. And Microsoft Azure.

Oh, and Oracle cloud. And Alibaba cloud. And VMWare cloud. But other than Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Alibaba and VMWare, AWS is a monopoly. (Oh, and I think Dell runs a cloud service too.)

Unless of course Parler sets up a server farm themselves. Its not REALLY that difficult. (The company I work for set up VMWare instances for hosting multiple clients in the past. And we've only got 1 or 2 "technicians".)

Yeah, They’re not a monopoly on these services.  There are plenty.  And they could always create their own hosting....all it takes is money and expertise...  they have plenty of money, supposedly. 

None of these other services will take their business now though...   but that’s not an issue with “free speech”...  that’s an issue with what the platform is promoting and these companies not wanting to be associated with it, which is their right.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 11, 2021, 01:32:52 pm
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law. Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.

They tried that it doesn't work because the institution is fundamentally broken and corrupted.

Scrap the whole rotten structure as it currently exists and build something new in its place.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 11, 2021, 01:46:23 pm
They tried that it doesn't work because the institution is fundamentally broken and corrupted.

Scrap the whole rotten structure as it currently exists and build something new in its place.

You really don't know much about Canadian police forces or what they do.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 11, 2021, 01:54:43 pm
You really don't know much about Canadian police forces or what they do.

They sure aren't solving crimes (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11647/tbl/tbl05-eng.htm).

Probably they beat up their wives, harass the homeless and minorities and show up two hours after a call to look bored and file a report they never follow up on. You know, universal cop stuff.

Report details 'toxic' and hateful culture within RCMP
 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/it-shook-me-report-details-toxic-and-hateful-culture-within-rcmp-1.5195954)

It's ACAB for a reason you know.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 11, 2021, 02:06:35 pm
Quote
Which is the crux of the whole "defund the police" thing.
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.
The problem is, people organizing the protests picked a slogan because of how catchy it was, rather than what they actually wanted to accomplish.

Instead of "defund the police" it should have been "Reduce police budgets, to divert resources to address problems the police are not well suited to, but keep the core of the police to deal with actual law enforcement issues". But that doesn't sound as catchy.

Personally, I would have gone with a slogan like "demilitarize the police". It covers a significant problem within policing, and won't scare off potential middle-class supporters who think "if we defund the police we won't have any cops around to prevent anarchy".
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 11, 2021, 02:20:55 pm
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.

The problem is, people organizing the protests picked a slogan because of how catchy it was, rather than what they actually wanted to accomplish.

Instead of "defund the police" it should have been "Reduce police budgets, to divert resources to address problems the police are not well suited to, but keep the core of the police to deal with actual law enforcement issues". But that doesn't sound as catchy.

Personally, I would have gone with a slogan like "demilitarize the police". It covers a significant problem within policing, and won't scare off potential middle-class supporters who think "if we defund the police we won't have any cops around to prevent anarchy".

Except you can't do any of those reforms until you actually defund or abolish the police as we know it.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 02:28:04 pm
They tried that it doesn't work because the institution is fundamentally broken and corrupted.

Scrap the whole rotten structure as it currently exists and build something new in its place.

Which is totally valid, but simply defunding the law enforcement isn't going to make law enforcement better in quality it will just lower the quantity.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 11, 2021, 02:30:10 pm
Which is totally valid, but simply defunding the law enforcement isn't going to make law enforcement better in quality it will just lower the quantity.

No one is talking about taking the cops' money and toys away and calling it a day. That being said, fewer cops is probably a good thing in and of itself.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 02:38:34 pm
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.

The problem is, people organizing the protests picked a slogan because of how catchy it was, rather than what they actually wanted to accomplish.

Instead of "defund the police" it should have been "Reduce police budgets, to divert resources to address problems the police are not well suited to, but keep the core of the police to deal with actual law enforcement issues". But that doesn't sound as catchy.

Personally, I would have gone with a slogan like "demilitarize the police". It covers a significant problem within policing, and won't scare off potential middle-class supporters who think "if we defund the police we won't have any cops around to prevent anarchy".

Law enforcement has fundamental problems that sit at its core.  "Defund the police" means they don't see this as fixable.  I disagree.  Police and military have a toxic culture, the training is horribly inadequate in every way minus showing officers how to arrest and not get themselves hurt, the oversight and accountability is corrupt and horribly inadequate.

Under the Trudeau gov our military has thankfully been really pushing to fix harassment (sexual and otherwise).  I don't know if at this point it's mostly lip service to just look good and avoid liability or if things are actually really changing, but at the very least it's a good start.  There needs to be zero tolerance for bad behaviour against policy, they need to be as tough on that as the se tough guys think they are on everything else.

It really just comes down to forcing people to act professionally, and giving them more skills beyond violence.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 02:43:30 pm
No one is talking about taking the cops' money and toys away and calling it a day. That being said, fewer cops is probably a good thing in and of itself.

"Defund the police".

Having more cops that can actually help society instead of harm is a good thing.  Unfortunately a lot of cops are under-educated a-holes who are unaccountable.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 11, 2021, 02:48:30 pm
"Defund the police".

Having more cops that can actually help society instead of harm is a good thing. Unfortunately a lot of cops are under-educated a-holes who are unaccountable.

That's a feature of policing not a bug.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 11, 2021, 02:50:17 pm
Started a new thread here (https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/general-discussion/defund-the-police/).
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 11, 2021, 03:09:42 pm
"Defund the police".

Having more cops that can actually help society instead of harm is a good thing.  Unfortunately a lot of cops are under-educated a-holes who are unaccountable.

Bull. In our police force a lot of them have degrees and almost all of them have some college education. They don't hire people who don't have life experience, mid 20's is young for a new recruit, in fact under 30 is young. Higher education is one road to advancement.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 04:04:19 pm
Bull. In our police force a lot of them have degrees and almost all of them have some college education. They don't hire people who don't have life experience, mid 20's is young for a new recruit, in fact under 30 is young. Higher education is one road to advancement.

I don't know much about our cops.  I know in the US you see a lot of clips on Youtube where the officers don't know the law.  You can't enforce what you don't know.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 11, 2021, 04:35:03 pm
As if things weren't scary enough in the states, there are now reports of threats groups of thugs to storm all state capitols as well as DC before the Biden inauguration. I hope for the sake of our neighbor to the south that all this is just buffoon bullshit, but I'm glad I don't live anywhere near one of those capitols. Of course trumpymc boneheadspurs is doing absolutely nothing to attempt to quell any of this.I guess what would be a fitting end of all this would be if donny took a stray bullet whilst clapping his hands in support of the rioters.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 11, 2021, 05:50:55 pm
As if things weren't scary enough in the states, there are now reports of threats groups of thugs to storm all state capitols as well as DC before the Biden inauguration. I hope for the sake of our neighbor to the south that all this is just buffoon bullshit, but I'm glad I don't live anywhere near one of those capitols. Of course trumpymc boneheadspurs is doing absolutely nothing to attempt to quell any of this.I guess what would be a fitting end of all this would be if donny took a stray bullet whilst clapping his hands in support of the rioters.

The thing is... this is what they have been pining for... posting for... the final battle.  Trouble is, the other side won't be democrats it will be cops and army
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 11, 2021, 05:59:40 pm
The thing is... this is what they have been pining for... posting for... the final battle.  Trouble is, the other side won't be democrats it will be cops and army

Good. Then they can throw the stupid buggers in jail.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 11, 2021, 06:22:35 pm
I don't know much about our cops.  I know in the US you see a lot of clips on Youtube where the officers don't know the law.  You can't enforce what you don't know.

In BC if the cops don't know the law, they will never get Crown to press charges.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 06:46:39 pm
The thing is... this is what they have been pining for... posting for... the final battle.  Trouble is, the other side won't be democrats it will be cops and army

That is scary.  The right has a lot of the guns.  The funny thing is the right is doing the exact thing the 2nd amendment and private militia rights are supposed to protect.

The left doesn't typically do the gun thing.  Maybe some inner city gang members will be the last defense lol.  Ice T vs the Hells Angels: the battle for Washington.  This stuff writes itself.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 11, 2021, 07:03:59 pm
That is scary.  The right has a lot of the guns.  The funny thing is the right is doing the exact thing the 2nd amendment and private militia rights are supposed to protect.
Not sure of what you were saying here...

Did you mean that the right wing (i.e. trump terrorists) are doing the thing the 2nd amendment/militias were supposed to stop?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 11, 2021, 07:07:33 pm
That is scary.  The right has a lot of the guns.  The funny thing is the right is doing the exact thing the 2nd amendment and private militia rights are supposed to protect.

The left doesn't typically do the gun thing.  Maybe some inner city gang members will be the last defense lol.  Ice T vs the Hells Angels: the battle for Washington.  This stuff writes itself.

Gun rights were never intended to commit insurrection.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 11, 2021, 07:08:50 pm
Lawyers aren't supposed to incite mob violence. OK I'm not a lawyer. Who wants to join me in going down to beat the **** out of Rudy googlyanny?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 11, 2021, 08:05:52 pm
Wild how there are so many serving or former LEOs and military in there, I wonder if that says something about those particular institutions...
People wonder the same thing given the number of fire bugs that end up being firemen.  I saw that myself in the fire department I volunteered on.  He thought he was doing everyone a favour by providing real life training opportunities.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 11, 2021, 08:44:34 pm
Lawyers aren't supposed to incite mob violence. OK I'm not a lawyer. Who wants to join me in going down to beat the **** out of Rudy googlyanny?
Speaking of the Guilliani...

From: https://globalnews.ca/news/7568623/rudy-giuliani-faces-expulsion-new-york-state-bar-association/
The New York State Bar Association (NYSBA) is considering removing Rudy Giuliani as a member, after the president’s lawyer called for “trial by combat” ahead of the pro-Trump attack on the U.S. Capitol last Wednesday.

There was a rumor Trump was planning on getting giuliani to be his lawyer for the impeachment. Trump better hope they advance the articles of impeachment quickly or Giuliani may not be a lawyer anymore.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 11, 2021, 08:49:52 pm
Bill Belichick  declines Meddle of Freedom award from Trump. Do I now have to be a Belichick fan?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 11, 2021, 10:40:22 pm
It's like Trump has naked pictures of Guliani's wife he holds over him or something.  Or maybe i'm giving Rudy too much credit lol.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 12, 2021, 07:27:51 am
It's like Trump has naked pictures of Guliani's wife he holds over him or something.  Or maybe i'm giving Rudy too much credit lol.

The longer you stay on the Trump Train the more you realize you'd be unable to make a living with anyone but Trump.

What does Rudy have going for him outside his relationship to Trump? He's probably going to get disbarred.

The stench of Trump is going to stick to his bootlickers for a long time.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 12, 2021, 08:16:32 am
The longer you stay on the Trump Train the more you realize you'd be unable to make a living with anyone but Trump.

What does Rudy have going for him outside his relationship to Trump? He's probably going to get disbarred.

The stench of Trump is going to stick to his bootlickers for a long time.

Eventually this stench will permeate to everyone who ever claimed the election was stolen.

I was trying to elucidate a system of fact-checking that could address the situation: where a respected centrist could do a video version of 'Snopes' and go through every claim about the election being stolen and explain it away.

She threw figurative cold water in my face: "Why ?  They are conspiracy people... they would find a way to make it into a conspiracy"

And she's right... and it wouldn't be hard.

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 12, 2021, 01:24:47 pm
Eventually this stench will permeate to everyone who ever claimed the election was stolen.

I was trying to elucidate a system of fact-checking that could address the situation: where a respected centrist could do a video version of 'Snopes' and go through every claim about the election being stolen and explain it away.

She threw figurative cold water in my face: "Why ?  They are conspiracy people... they would find a way to make it into a conspiracy"

And she's right... and it wouldn't be hard.

A “centrist”?  You mean a commie Biden supporter who wants to take away our guns and was for all those BLM riots?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 12, 2021, 01:39:24 pm
Eventually this stench will permeate to everyone who ever claimed the election was stolen.

I was trying to elucidate a system of fact-checking that could address the situation: where a respected centrist could do a video version of 'Snopes' and go through every claim about the election being stolen and explain it away.

She threw figurative cold water in my face: "Why ?  They are conspiracy people... they would find a way to make it into a conspiracy"

And she's right... and it wouldn't be hard.

The thing about conspiracies is that evidence against the conspiracy is simply taken as proof of how deep the conspiracy goes.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 12, 2021, 04:25:12 pm
Interesting times yet again. Lindsay Graham kisses trump's arse and joins him on a flight to Texas where trump tries to show off his stupid **** wall he spent billions on to do nothing, while at the same time Mitch McConnell agrees he will vote to impeach. Tomorrows will be interesting when the impeachment vote is official. Maybe trumpty dumpty was down at the wall wondering if the Mexicans would let him in after he gets kicked out of office.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 12, 2021, 05:08:12 pm
Interesting times yet again. Lindsay Graham kisses trump's arse and joins him on a flight to Texas where trump tries to show off his stupid **** wall he spent billions on to do nothing, while at the same time Mitch McConnell agrees he will vote to impeach. Tomorrows will be interesting when the impeachment vote is official. Maybe trumpty dumpty was down at the wall wondering if the Mexicans would let him in after he gets kicked out of office.

Cite request  on Mitch McConnell saying he will vote to impeach. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 12, 2021, 05:15:23 pm
Cite request  on Mitch McConnell saying he will vote to impeach.

I misspoke, he has stated he approves of the impeachment process.

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mitch-mcconnell-trump-impeachment.html
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 12, 2021, 05:30:27 pm
I misspoke, he has stated he approves of the impeachment process.

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mitch-mcconnell-trump-impeachment.html

I hadn’t seen this!   Big news.  If McConnell will impeach, I think there may be enough to ensure Trump never holds public office again.   
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 12, 2021, 05:38:31 pm
I hadn’t seen this!   Big news.  If McConnell will impeach, I think there may be enough to ensure Trump never holds public office again.

Liz Chenney is on board as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/liz-cheney-trump-impeachment-statement/index.html
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 12, 2021, 07:28:12 pm
I hadn’t seen this!   Big news.  If McConnell will impeach, I think there may be enough to ensure Trump never holds public office again.
Hopefully the price of abandoning Trump will ensure Republicans are out of power too, for a least 4 years - 8 would be great.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 12, 2021, 07:55:29 pm
Hopefully the price of abandoning Trump will ensure Republicans are out of power too, for a least 4 years - 8 would be great.

As long as it takes to purge Trumpism.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 12, 2021, 10:47:34 pm
I misspoke, he has stated he approves of the impeachment process.

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking.
Although it may sound good, I think some skepticism is warranted...

First of all, McConnell hasn't stated he supports impeachment publically... we're hearing this through "associates". Who knows if its accurate.

Secondly, even if he did say he is "pleased with impeachment", that may not necessarily translate to an impeachment conviction. Moscow Mitch may decide in the end that its better strategically to protect Trump than thrown him under the bus.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: wilber on January 12, 2021, 11:30:35 pm
Although it may sound good, I think some skepticism is warranted...

First of all, McConnell hasn't stated he supports impeachment publically... we're hearing this through "associates". Who knows if its accurate.

Secondly, even if he did say he is "pleased with impeachment", that may not necessarily translate to an impeachment conviction. Moscow Mitch may decide in the end that its better strategically to protect Trump than thrown him under the bus.

There is a school of thought that says that would have never got out if McConnell hadn't wanted it to get out.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 13, 2021, 07:21:59 am
Secondly, even if he did say he is "pleased with impeachment", that may not necessarily translate to an impeachment conviction. Moscow Mitch may decide in the end that its better strategically to protect Trump than thrown him under the bus.

Why? Trump lost him the Senate and sicked an angry mob on him.

I see him working with Chuck Schumer to make this happen.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 13, 2021, 09:19:47 am
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Secondly, even if he did say he is "pleased with impeachment", that may not necessarily translate to an impeachment conviction. Moscow Mitch may decide in the end that its better strategically to protect Trump than thrown him under the bus.
Why? Trump lost him the Senate and sicked an angry mob on him.
Yes, but he also has to worry about future elections (such as the 2022 mid terms, where the Republicans are defending more seats than the democrats in the senate, and the house republicans will be trying to take back the majority.) He will want to make sure the Republicans are as strong as possible for the election, and seeing the republican party split between overt fascists (like Gym Jordan) who want to overturn the election, and more secretive fascists (like Moscow Mitch) who want to pretend they are reasonable might harm them in the future.

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I see him working with Chuck Schumer to make this happen.
Well, lets see... Moscow Mitch claimed that the Senate could not start addressing the Impeachment until the 20th (i.e. they wouldn't decide on things until after Biden is sworn in.) Schumer has pointed out that there are rules and procedures in place to start addressing impeachment immediately.

Now, if the Turtle really wanted Trump gone immediately, why did he say they needed to wait? McConnell has been around the senate a long time.... he knows the rules and how to bend/break them. Why did he say they needed to wait?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533861-schumer-calls-on-mcconnell-to-allow-trump-impeachment-trial-immediately
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 13, 2021, 09:30:13 am
Why? Trump lost him the Senate and sicked an angry mob on him.

Yes, but he also has to worry about future elections (such as the 2022 mid terms, where the Republicans are defending more seats than the democrats in the senate, and the house republicans will be trying to take back the majority.) He will want to make sure the Republicans are as strong as possible for the election, and seeing the republican party split between overt fascists (like Gym Jordan) who want to overturn the election, and more secretive fascists (like Moscow Mitch) who want to pretend they are reasonable might harm them in the future.
Well, lets see... Moscow Mitch claimed that the Senate could not start addressing the Impeachment until the 20th (i.e. they wouldn't decide on things until after Biden is sworn in.) Schumer has pointed out that there are rules and procedures in place to start addressing impeachment immediately.

Now, if the Turtle really wanted Trump gone immediately, why did he say they needed to wait? McConnell has been around the senate a long time.... he knows the rules and how to bend/break them. Why did he say they needed to wait?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533861-schumer-calls-on-mcconnell-to-allow-trump-impeachment-trial-immediately

There's apparently a provision that can allow the Senate to reconvene if both leaders agree. According to Rachel Maddow anyway.

I suspect continuing to placate to Trump and his rabble has got them where they are, something's gotta give. If you have to kowtow to this seditious mob, then you're complicit in their behaviour.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 13, 2021, 10:18:36 pm
Looks like this may have actually been an inside job....

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Rep. Mikie Sherrill (D-N.J.) shared she witnessed members of Congress leading people through the Capitol on Jan. 5, the day before the violent riots occurred.

“We can’t have a democracy if members of Congress are actively helping the president overturn the election’s results,” Sherrill remarked according to news outlet North Jersey.

She continued, “I also intend to see that those members of Congress who abetted him; those members of Congress who had groups coming through the Capitol that I saw on Jan. 5 — a reconnaissance for the next day; those members of Congress that incited this violent crowd; those members of Congress that attempted to help our president undermine our democracy; I’m going to see they are held accountable, and if necessary, ensure that they don’t serve in Congress,’ she said.
https://news.yahoo.com/rep-sherrill-says-colleagues-gave-014000557.html

Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 13, 2021, 11:20:53 pm
Looks like this may have actually been an inside job....
 https://news.yahoo.com/rep-sherrill-says-colleagues-gave-014000557.html

I know they have public tours of the Capital building all the time.  Would be unusual for a Congressman to be a part of them that's for sure, other then maybe saying hi in the hallways.  They usually keep the public tours away from Congress people for security reasons.  So yeah this is suspicious.

Some of these rioters were full on terrorists with premeditated plans.  That's just disgusting.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 14, 2021, 12:05:46 am
I know they have public tours of the Capital building all the time.  Would be unusual for a Congressman to be a part of them that's for sure, other then maybe saying hi in the hallways.  They usually keep the public tours away from Congress people for security reasons.  So yeah this is suspicious.

Some of these rioters were full on terrorists with premeditated plans.  That's just disgusting.

They haven’t had ANY public tours for many months since COVID.

Apparently, the ONLY way to get into the Capitol building now is to be escorted by a member or their staffers.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 14, 2021, 06:17:01 am
The troll boards I am on had **** alt right folks bragging that they were going to have a coordinated attack Jan 6.

Seems like more than a coincidence.

If it was premeditated then it doesn't matter how half-assed it was.  Get their phone records, IP addresses... Prosecute to the max.

This blight has to be removed or it will turn into real armed opposition.  For what?  Reaganomics and against political correctness?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 14, 2021, 08:13:29 am
The troll boards I am on had **** alt right folks bragging that they were going to have a coordinated attack Jan 6.

Seems like more than a coincidence.

If it was premeditated then it doesn't matter how half-assed it was.  Get their phone records, IP addresses... Prosecute to the max.

This blight has to be removed or it will turn into real armed opposition.  For what?  Reaganomics and against political correctness?

Holy s*** just heard on CNN (audio - I didn't see it) a video where a woman with a bullhorn is giving explicit and very detailed instructions on the layout and how to break through certain doors, to get to secure rooms and "take the building" ... so we are now talking about a premedidated and carefully planned attack. 

So... less half-assed.

Now if THIS ACTION is excused, and you don't make an example of these people you are leaving armed conflict open as an option for future insurgents.

Civil war seemed like a fantasy 20 years ago, a distant threat 5 years ago, merely unlikely today.  :P
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 14, 2021, 10:43:10 am
It looks like we're seeing the birth of a persistent and acknowledged domestic threat of a new kind: insurgents actively planning attacks on the US government from within with a significant chance of executing them.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 14, 2021, 11:03:53 am
It looks like we're seeing the birth of a persistent and acknowledged domestic threat of a new kind: insurgents actively planning attacks on the US government from within with a significant chance of executing them.

At least the infrastructure exists for dealing with extremist Muslims.  :-\
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 14, 2021, 12:51:53 pm
At least the infrastructure exists for dealing with extremist Muslims.  :-\

But what about the fact that law enforcement and the military have been infiltrated by the same terrorists they are supposed to be protecting the state from?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 14, 2021, 02:24:19 pm
accepting to Fox News internal schisms between its more legitimate News division and the Infotainment (money-maker) division, Media Matters offers up the following analysis:

In 2 weeks after it called the election, Fox News cast doubt on the results nearly 800 times (https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/2-weeks-after-it-called-election-fox-news-cast-doubt-results-nearly-800-times)

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Fox News built the lie that fueled Trump’s insurrectionist mob - shouldn’t escape culpability for its role in the “stolen election” lie that inflamed the violent mob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmab7T390Rc
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: segnosaur on January 14, 2021, 02:41:25 pm
accepting to Fox News internal schisms between its more legitimate News division and the Infotainment (money-maker) division, Media Matters offers up the following analysis:

In 2 weeks after it called the election, Fox News cast doubt on the results nearly 800 times (https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/2-weeks-after-it-called-election-fox-news-cast-doubt-results-nearly-800-times)
Yet over the past year or so, Trump has repeatedly criticized Fox news, and has promoted rivals to Fox such as OANN.

You figure they would have learned that Trump has no loyalty to anyone.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 14, 2021, 02:52:50 pm
Yet over the past year or so, Trump has repeatedly criticized Fox news, and has promoted rivals to Fox such as OANN.

You figure they would have learned that Trump has no loyalty to anyone.

Yeah but if they actually distance themselves from him-poof!-there goes their audience of angry divorced electricians and wine moms who are into MLM  schemes.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 14, 2021, 05:43:34 pm
Can't get enough of seeing the people who've spent the last four years saying "f*ck your feelings you soy snowflake!" pivot to "hey guys c'mon can we dial back the rhetoric a little bit please?" when they're actually being called to account for their support of Trumpism. Like this (https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/2021/01/14/cawthorn-trump-played-role-capitol-riot-votes-no-impeachment/4157716001/) smarmy little prick.

I'll see your lil' prick and raise you this newly elected QAnonPrincess! (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/03/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-wins/index.html), Republican Congresswoman from Georgia - Marjorie Taylor Greene  ..... with such a grandiose intention as to, 'file impeachment articles against Pres-Elect Biden (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1349518654434586626/pu/vid/1280x720/d2b2Rq7WNMoa7in4.mp4?tag=12)'!

(https://i.imgur.com/kIqsJef.png)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Boges on January 15, 2021, 08:38:03 am
I'll see your lil' prick and raise you this newly elected QAnonPrincess! (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/03/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-wins/index.html), Republican Congresswoman from Georgia - Marjorie Taylor Greene  ..... with such a grandiose intention as to, 'file impeachment articles against Pres-Elect Biden (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1349518654434586626/pu/vid/1280x720/d2b2Rq7WNMoa7in4.mp4?tag=12)'!

(https://i.imgur.com/kIqsJef.png)

This will be like their repeated, and fruitless, efforts to repeal Obama-Care.

It'll be interesting what reasons they'll find to actually impeach Biden if they take back the House.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 15, 2021, 09:07:34 am
This person should be impeached - her not Biden. She is a member of a domestic terrorist organization.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 15, 2021, 01:15:10 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErtkpLFXMAIXKvR?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 15, 2021, 01:29:11 pm
We should find a way to get the white supremacist terrorists and Muslims terrorists and violent Antifa anarchists to kill each other.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 15, 2021, 01:40:48 pm
We should find a way to get the white supremacist terrorists and Muslims terrorists and violent Antifa anarchists to kill each other.

 ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 15, 2021, 06:12:14 pm
::) ::) ::) ::)

Oh yeah I forgot, some people only like violent lawless a-holes if they're fighting for the political goals they agree with.  People looting and burning some innocent person's small business are awesome!

If Trump supporters went out tomorrow and torched businesses across the US you'd be calling them terrorists.  Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on January 15, 2021, 07:13:19 pm

If Trump supporters went out tomorrow and torched businesses across the US you'd be calling them terrorists.  Am I wrong?

Well, kind of.  They'd be rioting because their boy lost the election, rather than having some elements of a protest against police brutality going awry.  I'm assuming that the point of the Trump protest would be to riot and burn.

And it still wouldn't be the same as invading the capital and killing people etc.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on January 16, 2021, 01:28:10 am
Apparently, a pillow salesman is one of Trump’s top advisors these days and is attempting to get him to declare martial law, install a stooge as CIA director and ummm...   not sure what else...  maybe supply government with his pillows?  That last part I made up.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/cia-kash-patel-mypillow-notes-lindell-trump/index.html

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A Trump ally's notes visible as he visited the West Wing on Friday revealed a suggestion to replace the current CIA director with the current acting chief of staff at the Pentagon. But according to multiple sources, it was not the first time the idea was broached inside the White House.

MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, a Republican donor who has informally advised President Donald Trump, was seen leaving the West Wing on Friday carrying pages of notes that appear to outline a series of recommendations. Among those that are visible are the words, "Move Kash Patel to CIA acting" a reference to the current chief of staff to acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller.
Patel, who has held a number of senior jobs in the administration, was named chief of staff to Miller a few days after the general election and is widely viewed as a Trump loyalist.
Captured by a Washington Post photographer, the images sparked immediate questions about Trump's final moves as President. But according to two administration officials, Trump has actually discussed with others the idea of installing Patel as acting CIA director before.

Just fuckin’ bizarre....   
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: BC_cheque on January 16, 2021, 03:15:26 pm
Oh yeah I forgot, some people only like violent lawless a-holes if they're fighting for the political goals they agree with.  People looting and burning some innocent person's small business are awesome!

If Trump supporters went out tomorrow and torched businesses across the US you'd be calling them terrorists.  Am I wrong?

The looters in the BLM protests were mostly opportunists with no political affiliations.  They were just common criminals who abused the movement.

While I agree that some people in the January 6 riots were just caught up in the moment, there is ample evidence that the insurrection was premeditated, with an end goal of achieving a political change through violent means.

I know it's handy to 'both sides' this issue, but there is no comparison.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: kimmy on January 16, 2021, 03:31:40 pm
Tin Foil Hat time:

I believe that Trump was hoping the events of January 6 would give him the opportunity to invoke martial law and allow him to remain president "until the violence has ended". (which, given the unrest such a move would provoke might be a long time, possibly long enough for him to concoct some means of overturning the election.)

That's a conspiracy theory, founded on nothing more than circumstance.  But consider:

 -the removal of Secretary of Defense Mike Esper right after the election.

 -Trump's unwillingness to deploy National Guard troops. The DC National Guard and Maryland National Guard were ready to deploy but weren't given approval to do so.  Mike Pence and others were eventually able to work around Trump to give approval, but it took hours longer than it should have.

 -lax security preparations, despite a lot of buzz on social media that something was going to happen.

 -Trump alleged to have watched the events unfolding on TV with delight, and didn't issue his call for the rioters to disperse until it was clear that they had failed.

There were other things as well that give the impression that there was inside cooperation with the mob. Reps alleged to have given tours to Qanon types in days prior to Jan 6. Colorado rep Lauren Boebert live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi's location while the rioters were inside the Capitol.  Rep Ayanna Pressley's staff reported that the panic buttons had been torn out of her office.  Some Capitol police alleged to have removed barriers for rioters and even taken selfies with them.  Trump's ally Michael Flynn urging Trump to implement martial law right after getting pardoned.

I mean, obviously none of this proves anything, but it does make me think that Trump was hoping this could be his own version of the Reichstagg Fire.

 -k
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: eyeball on January 16, 2021, 04:07:16 pm
Tin Foil Hat time:

I mean, obviously none of this proves anything, but it does make me think that Trump was hoping this could be his own version of the Reichstagg Fire.

 -k
The competency problem always looms large in my dismissal of most conspiracies that involve shadowy tendrils, roots, or branches of a government or political party. There's so little reason to believe they could execute their secret schemes any better than the one's they commit to aboveboard. That it failed so spectacularly is what makes your theory most credible.

I doubt Trump could even find the word Reichstagg in a historical book never mind cobble it's context together in way that relates to his own which suggests someone like Steve Bannon had more to do with Trump's apparent motives and actions surrounding the insurrection. Stands to reason Trump would recycle some of his original advisors given he's either burned thru all the rest or he's paranoid about who he has left.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 17, 2021, 01:46:34 pm
Oh yeah I forgot, some people only like violent lawless a-holes if they're fighting for the political goals they agree with.  People looting and burning some innocent person's small business are awesome!

If Trump supporters went out tomorrow and torched businesses across the US you'd be calling them terrorists.  Am I wrong?

Like Shady you seem to have a hard time distinguishing between random acts of violence and organized efforts to overthrow the state.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on January 17, 2021, 02:23:19 pm
Like Shady you seem to have a hard time distinguishing between random acts of violence and organized efforts to overthrow the state.

I never said the Floyd rioters were trying to overthrow the state so that's a strawman.  I said all these violent groups should get together and kill each other.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Omni on January 17, 2021, 02:32:42 pm
I never said the Floyd rioters were trying to overthrow the state so that's a strawman.  I said all these violent groups should get together and kill each other.

It seems what you are failing to understand is that the group at the capitol we are talking about are not arbitrary but are taking orders from trump. Criminal charges/lawsuits will begin to be rolled out next Thursday.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on January 18, 2021, 10:17:54 am
I never said the Floyd rioters were trying to overthrow the state so that's a strawman.  I said all these violent groups should get together and kill each other.

Yeah and that's stupid.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: waldo on January 26, 2021, 02:02:43 am
why can't they just leave now "private citizen" Trumpy alone, hey!  ;D

Incitement Timeline: Year of Trump’s Actions Leading to the Attack on the Capitol (https://www.justsecurity.org/74138/incitement-timeline-year-of-trumps-actions-leading-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/)

10 min vid: “Fight For Trump” - Incitement at US Capitol (https://vimeo.com/504444733)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on March 03, 2021, 05:11:51 pm
Tomorrow is the BIG DAY 😂

Trump ascends to the White House once more
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on March 03, 2021, 06:26:14 pm
They were never going to get Trump on the recent impeachment, with the possible exception of his Pence tweet during the riot.  It seemed pretty clear that people showed up with pre-meditated plans to attack the Capitol.  But it did need to be investigated.  I'm glad many of those losers were arrested at least.

Trump had far outlasted his expiration date., he's been done for a year.  It doesn't feel like we've moved on much.  Trumpy is in the news as much as Biden, the cable networks have their ratings cow.  Tabloid garbage.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on March 04, 2021, 05:51:19 am
Trumpy is in the news as much as Biden, the cable networks have their ratings cow.  Tabloid garbage.

Strongly disagree on that.

Less Trump on Twitter, less Trump on TV, and the Trumpites are quieter and quieter every month.

I'm still divided as to whether this means:

1) We are at a new era of inclusiveness where the so-called "deplorables" are now part of the conversation.  And maybe we need that
2) The rise of the deplorables was a blip caused by the advent of social media into the public sphere.  Their ways of expressing political will are not workable, and so the natural order is for them to be on the sidelines, since they can't play nicely.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on March 04, 2021, 10:28:07 am
I think its more #2.

Trump caused a movement for the deplorable to feel motivated, inspired, and gave them a voice.  Now that voice is gone from political power, they have less traction.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on March 04, 2021, 12:10:17 pm
Strongly disagree on that.

Less Trump on Twitter, less Trump on TV, and the Trumpites are quieter and quieter every month.

I'm still divided as to whether this means:

1) We are at a new era of inclusiveness where the so-called "deplorables" are now part of the conversation.  And maybe we need that
2) The rise of the deplorables was a blip caused by the advent of social media into the public sphere.  Their ways of expressing political will are not workable, and so the natural order is for them to be on the sidelines, since they can't play nicely.

3) they're licking their wounds and breaking into smaller cells with the most radical elements running the show.

It's not a matter of if we'll see an increase in acts of right-wing terrorism, but how much and when.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on March 04, 2021, 02:19:24 pm
3) they're licking their wounds and breaking into smaller cells with the most radical elements running the show.

It's not a matter of if we'll see an increase in acts of right-wing terrorism, but how much and when.

So... your option is that they are transforming into an insurgent group ?

Given the demographics you posted, that's one slow moving group... also will be dead in 20 years or less.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on March 05, 2021, 10:30:39 am
So... your option is that they are transforming into an insurgent group ?

Given the demographics you posted, that's one slow moving group... also will be dead in 20 years or less.

No I think there are elements within that larger group of MAGAts that will be radicalized even further. We've already seen this happen when Trump was in power, I expect it to get worse with him out.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: cybercoma on March 05, 2021, 12:25:05 pm
No I think there are elements within that larger group of MAGAts that will be radicalized even further. We've already seen this happen when Trump was in power, I expect it to get worse with him out.
This isn't even a new phenomenon. Hell, there was a film about this very thing in 1993 called Falling Down starring Michael Douglas. It was a tone deaf portrayal of the white victim complex, where he feels increasingly attacked but is actually the only one engaging in increasingly disturbing violence.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on March 05, 2021, 12:52:36 pm
This isn't even a new phenomenon. Hell, there was a film about this very thing in 1993 called Falling Down starring Michael Douglas. It was a tone deaf portrayal of the white victim complex, where he feels increasingly attacked but is actually the only one engaging in increasingly disturbing violence.

Forgot about that one. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 05, 2021, 07:00:20 pm
This isn't even a new phenomenon. Hell, there was a film about this very thing in 1993 called Falling Down starring Michael Douglas. It was a tone deaf portrayal of the white victim complex, where he feels increasingly attacked but is actually the only one engaging in increasingly disturbing violence.

“Tone deaf”?
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: cybercoma on March 08, 2021, 06:57:09 pm
“Tone deaf”?
Yeah. It seemed to glorify his violence. Some people mistakenly held the film up as a demonstration of how society is crumbling, missing the point entirely. So not tone deaf but more like clumsy storytelling.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 08, 2021, 09:48:32 pm
Yeah. It seemed to glorify his violence. Some people mistakenly held the film up as a demonstration of how society is crumbling, missing the point entirely. So not tone deaf but more like clumsy storytelling.

I think it portrayed him as a pathetic loser who is wrapped up in conspiracy theories and blames everyone else for his miseries.   It’s more relevant today than it was in the 90s. 

It did treat some of the violence in a comedic way, with the happy-meal cutoff that sets him off, the hair trigger gun and accidental bazooka firing...   but if it didn’t lighten it up a little, it would have been a dreadfully dreary film.

I get that it’s not for everyone...  but just because one finds dark humour distasteful should not take away from the film itself.   It was a a good film...   but not for everyone. 
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on March 08, 2021, 09:57:29 pm
I thought that film was about a guy who goes postal.

Tried to watch it a few years ago but it was a real downer so i shut it off.  Same reason I won't bother watching Joker.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 08, 2021, 10:00:23 pm
I thought that film was about a guy who goes postal.

Tried to watch it a few years ago but it was a real downer so i shut it off.  Same reason I won't bother watching Joker.

Because it wasn’t for you, it must have been a terrible film that downplayed the violence and was misogynistic and racist, right? 

(Sarcasm...   that seems to be the thinking of some who don’t like the movie)
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: cybercoma on March 09, 2021, 10:04:11 am
I think it portrayed him as a pathetic loser who is wrapped up in conspiracy theories and blames everyone else for his miseries.   It’s more relevant today than it was in the 90s. 

It did treat some of the violence in a comedic way, with the happy-meal cutoff that sets him off, the hair trigger gun and accidental bazooka firing...   but if it didn’t lighten it up a little, it would have been a dreadfully dreary film.

I get that it’s not for everyone...  but just because one finds dark humour distasteful should not take away from the film itself.   It was a a good film...   but not for everyone.
Ohnits a great film but you hit the nail on the head with the problems.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on March 09, 2021, 10:12:48 am
I think it portrayed him as a pathetic loser who is wrapped up in conspiracy theories and blames everyone else for his miseries.   It’s more relevant today than it was in the 90s. 

It did treat some of the violence in a comedic way, with the happy-meal cutoff that sets him off, the hair trigger gun and accidental bazooka firing...   but if it didn’t lighten it up a little, it would have been a dreadfully dreary film.

I get that it’s not for everyone...  but just because one finds dark humour distasteful should not take away from the film itself.   It was a a good film...   but not for everyone.

It's one of those movies like Fight Club that unfortunately represents the thing its trying to satirize so well that it ends up glorifying it.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: cybercoma on March 09, 2021, 12:30:40 pm
Black Dog’s got it. It’s an excellent film. Starship Troopers had a similar problem. People took it seriously when it’s satirizing war.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on March 09, 2021, 12:55:48 pm
Black Dog’s got it. It’s an excellent film. Starship Troopers had a similar problem. People took it seriously when it’s satirizing war.

I don’t think you can blame the film because some people may see it in a twisted way as supporting their position, or worse, use it to justify their terrible beliefs/behaviour.

There are people who are going to say  “Yeah...  Michael Douglas’ character had it all right”!   You’re criticizing the film and its creator because a whack-a-doodle might sympathize with the character that it is satirizing.  Personally, that’s not the way I would look at the film.  Luckily, it’s just our opinions and I’m free to enjoy it and you’re free to turn the channel.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Nipples Von Graham on March 09, 2021, 03:16:38 pm
Because it wasn’t for you, it must have been a terrible film that downplayed the violence and was misogynistic and racist, right? 

(Sarcasm...   that seems to be the thinking of some who don’t like the movie)

Can't really comment on the movie since I didn't finish it.  My reason for not finishing it was "do i want to watch a disturbing movie about a man who goes postal in this 2 hour window i have for some relaxing entertainment?".  Since at that time my answer was no, I turned on Family Guy.

The plot sounds like a disturbingly accurate description of people who get frustrated with life's troubles and go crazy.  We see that on the news with school shootings and whatnot.  I think when you add guns to the male propensity for violence when frustrations boil over you get a dangerous combo, which is why i'm not a fan of guns.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Black Dog on March 09, 2021, 03:29:39 pm
I don’t think you can blame the film because some people may see it in a twisted way as supporting their position, or worse, use it to justify their terrible beliefs/behaviour.

There are people who are going to say  “Yeah...  Michael Douglas’ character had it all right”!   You’re criticizing the film and its creator because a whack-a-doodle might sympathize with the character that it is satirizing. Personally, that’s not the way I would look at the film.  Luckily, it’s just our opinions and I’m free to enjoy it and you’re free to turn the channel.

If the film makes it easy to be sympathetic to the character by putting him in relatable situations and having him react in ways we've probably secretly wanted to at one point or another or by showing him reacting in horror to a Nazi spewing racist slurs, then yeah I think you can criticize them for failing to make the point clear enough. it's a fine line and it's not that I think the movie is bad for that reason, it's just not going to land the way it's supposed to for everyone.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: Bubbermiley on March 11, 2021, 07:09:53 am
On a  completely off-topic, barely related note, I remember having my very young mind blown seeing Michael Douglas on the Streets of San Francisco, the Mike Douglas Show , and old My Three Sons episodes (pre-Ernie) where Rob and Chip Douglas' older brother was named Mike.
Perhaps I watched too much TV as a lad.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on March 11, 2021, 12:29:36 pm
Pretty rare back then for someone to jump from TV to movies, although it happened more frequently after him.

Kevin Bacon was on General Hospital or somesuch as I recall... you really are stigmatized when you do soap operas.
Title: Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
Post by: MH on March 23, 2021, 11:13:50 am
Sydney Powell....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/sidney-powell-dominion-lawsuit-election-fraud/index.html