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Beyond Canada => American Politics => Topic started by: Montgomery on November 02, 2020, 10:38:53 am

Title: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Montgomery on November 02, 2020, 10:38:53 am
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/what-pennsylvania-michigan-and-wisconsin-could-mean-for-race-95139397869

Very much worth watching this one! This has the potential to cause a huge outbreak of violence regardless of the count in the other 47. Even if Biden hahs a convincing lead in the other 47.

How delightful the lead up has been, and now this!

Predictions anyone on which side will start the shooting? Or  whatever reaction anybody could imagine up for the occasion?
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 02, 2020, 11:37:06 am
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-results-timing/

This states only 16 states will report almost all ballots election night.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: guest78 on November 02, 2020, 11:56:02 am
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/what-pennsylvania-michigan-and-wisconsin-could-mean-for-race-95139397869

Very much worth watching this one! This has the potential to cause a huge outbreak of violence regardless of the count in the other 47. Even if Biden hahs a convincing lead in the other 47.

How delightful the lead up has been, and now this!

Predictions anyone on which side will start the shooting? Or  whatever reaction anybody could imagine up for the occasion?
If Biden has a convincing lead in 47 states, the other 3 mean nothing.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 02, 2020, 12:06:20 pm
If Biden has a convincing lead in 47 states, the other 3 mean nothing.

Clearly, but all 3 of the states Monty cited are important to Sleepy Joe
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Montgomery on November 02, 2020, 12:06:38 pm
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-results-timing/

This states only 16 states will report almost all ballots election night.

I'm not sure exactrly what they mean when they say the 3 won't be reporting, but I think it means something different from the 16 that will report without having all the ballots in and counted. The article mentions lawsuits pending on the three.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Montgomery on November 02, 2020, 12:13:07 pm
Clearly, but all 3 of the states Monty cited are important to Sleepy Joe

Very important! And it would have to be a Biden landslide to cause those three stated to not be important to the final decision.

It's delightful and it's all good. No matter who wins or appears to be the winner, the other side has enough cheating by their opponents to make it a rigged election now. These pending lawsuits clinch it, regardless of which way they're eventually decided.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Omni on November 02, 2020, 12:29:58 pm
Very important! And it would have to be a Biden landslide to cause those three stated to not be important to the final decision.

It's delightful and it's all good. No matter who wins or appears to be the winner, the other side has enough cheating by their opponents to make it a rigged election now. These pending lawsuits clinch it, regardless of which way they're eventually decided.

The Repubs have been losing a lot of their lawsuits of late however now with aC Barret confirmed to the SCOTUS the pendulum will obviously swing the other way.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: guest78 on November 02, 2020, 12:31:45 pm
Very important! And it would have to be a Biden landslide to cause those three stated to not be important to the final decision.

It's delightful and it's all good. No matter who wins or appears to be the winner, the other side has enough cheating by their opponents to make it a rigged election now. These pending lawsuits clinch it, regardless of which way they're eventually decided.
If a candidate has a big lead in 47 states.  It doesn’t matter what those other 3 are.  Nobody can get to 270 winning just 3 states.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Montgomery on November 02, 2020, 12:34:02 pm
The Repubs have been losing a lot of their lawsuits of late however now with aC Barret confirmed to the SCOTUS the pendulum will obviously swing the other way.

You could probably safely say that any election related cases that make it to the Scotus, will be decided in Trump's favour.

That is, the key ones that will make a difference on who wins, because their Scotus will need to display caution and moderation to prevent some sort of a reaction of violence taking to the streets.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Omni on November 02, 2020, 12:52:10 pm
You could probably safely say that any election related cases that make it to the Scotus, will be decided in Trump's favour.

That is, the key ones that will make a difference on who wins, because their Scotus will need to display caution and moderation to prevent some sort of a reaction of violence taking to the streets.

You can safely say that because two thirds of the justices on the SCOTUS were picked by republican presidents.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 02, 2020, 04:34:08 pm
It was always going to be the case that, given the number of mail-in votes, that several states won’t be reporting right away.

I guess Trump will stoke up the Trump-tards regardless.

Break out the popcorn.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 02, 2020, 07:29:54 pm
I don't think that Trump can put any silly argument forward and just count on the justices to go his way.  I recall something in history where presidents tried that and it failed.  Even ACA got through a Republican majority court.
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 02, 2020, 08:49:56 pm
I don't think that Trump can put any silly argument forward and just count on the justices to go his way.  I recall something in history where presidents tried that and it failed.  Even ACA got through a Republican majority court.

Bush v. Gore
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: JMT on November 02, 2020, 10:49:59 pm
If Biden has a convincing lead in 47 states, the other 3 mean nothing.

 ::)
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Michael Hardner on November 03, 2020, 07:26:30 am
Bush v. Gore

Sure ... but this is entirely different.  The Texas judge who through out the Houston challenge was Republican.

Have a little faith.  But only a *little*
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: kimmy on November 03, 2020, 10:01:56 am
Above all else I hope that the outcome is decisive enough that this thing does not come down to court challenges and recounts. I am hoping for an outcome that is very clear so that the losing side has to accept it.

I think it is going to be a very weird night. 

A year ago last week, we watched as Trudeau started his victory speech a minute into Andrew Scheer's speech. "Rude!" "Uncouth!" "Bad form!" we all agreed.   Compared to what we're going to see tonight, that is nothing. Things are going to get very strange and we're going to see stuff we never thought we'd see in a western democracy.

My prediction is that Trump will declare victory early on after a few of the Deep South states give him a resounding win. His walnut sized brain will take a snapshot of the EC votes at that moment as confirmation that he won the election.  As votes from later time zones come in he will see the results turning against him he will dismiss those results as "mail-in FRAUD votes" being counted, and demand that the results from the early-evening snapshot in his walnut sized brain be restored. He is psychologically incapable of considering the possibility that he loses, and will post any conspiracy theories that support the idea that the election was "stolen" or "rigged".


 -k
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Squidward von Squidderson on November 03, 2020, 10:34:32 am
Sure ... but this is entirely different.  The Texas judge who through out the Houston challenge was Republican.

Have a little faith.  But only a *little*

It isn’t happening 100% of the time...   but there’s a reason Republicans are litigating to throw out votes.  They are winning many of these cases.   

https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/09/florida-felon-voting-fines/

Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Montgomery on November 03, 2020, 10:51:41 am
Quite disappointing that hardly any Canadians are  considering a Trump win to perhaps be positive for US foreign policy and how it will effect Canada.

Why so much concern and gnashing of teeth over what happens to that clusterfk on their domestic scene?
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Queefer Sutherland on November 03, 2020, 12:40:08 pm
I don't think we'll know who wins by the end of the night, unless it's a massive landslide, which I doubt since more Biden voters than Trump voters likely voted by mail.  It's amazing that 100k votes have already been cast, since there was ~129k votes total in 2016.

We all know that TV news is the absolute worst of all news mediums, so it will be interesting to see how they handle tonight.  They totally botched the Bush/Gore election, and now they're all foaming at the mouth with op-ed advocacy and trigger-happy to call a win for "their guy".
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: Montgomery on November 03, 2020, 01:50:12 pm
I don't think we'll know who wins by the end of the night, unless it's a massive landslide, which I doubt since more Biden voters than Trump voters likely voted by mail.  It's amazing that 100k votes have already been cast, since there was ~129k votes total in 2016.

We all know that TV news is the absolute worst of all news mediums, so it will be interesting to see how they handle tonight.  They totally botched the Bush/Gore election, and now they're all foaming at the mouth with op-ed advocacy and trigger-happy to call a win for "their guy".

And in another way it's not so amazing that so many ballots have been cast early, due to the Covid necessity.

The winner isn't nearly as important as the entertainment value when they start acting out their hate for their fellow Americans. They're having an election in which there will be no winners.

And what history we are seeing from a front row seat! This is a democracy's struggle to hold back a turn to fascism!
Title: Re: 3 States Won't Report on Election Night!
Post by: segnosaur on November 03, 2020, 04:12:49 pm
I don't think that Trump can put any silly argument forward and just count on the justices to go his way.  I recall something in history where presidents tried that and it failed.  Even ACA got through a Republican majority court.
True, in the 2012 decision the Affordable Care Act was considered constitutional. But, it was a 5-4 decision, with Roberts acting as a swing vote. Now, with Ginsburg gone (and replaced by a stepford wife) , I suspect that the decision would now go 5-4 against the ACA.

As for them ruling on the election.... its possible that enough of them might rule against Stubby McBonespurs.  Of course, it all depends on how close the election is and the nature of the legal arguments. But, keep this in mind:
- 3 of the justices (Roberts, Drunky McRapeface, and the Stepford Wife) all spent at least part of their time working on Bush v. Gore (on the Republican side)
- One of the sitting supreme court justices (Thomas) was on the supreme court at the time, and ruled in favor of Bush
- Gorsuch wasn't involved in Bush v. Gore in any way, but during his confirmation hearings, he stated that it was a precedent worth respecting.
- Drunky McRapeface has already made comments about how bad it is if the election results are late

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html