Author Topic: Wonder Woman  (Read 421 times)

Offline kimmy

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Re: Wonder Woman
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2017, 11:03:30 pm »
I'm not convinced.  People didn't think the bible was fiction, they thought it was the document of human inception and evolution and a moral blueprint.

Fair enough, perhaps the Bible was a poor choice of example.   Regardless, you can find myths and legends and folk-tales of fantastical and supernatural individuals and creatures and events everywhere. It's ubiquitous. Any culture, any time in history.

You can look at the Chinese legend of the Five Brothers, or Gilgamesh, or Hercules, or Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox, or Whiskey-Jack, or John Henry, or countless others...  why do so many cultures have these figures?

I think that our current love of superhero movies is just the latest expression of something that goes back a very long time, across many different cultures, and is somehow ingrained in our nature.   As I said before, I don't believe that the longevity and popularity of the superhero genre is an accident, I think it exists because it taps into something built into human nature.




Maybe 'value' and 'impact' aren't the right terms, but I can't accept that the bible and Grimm's tales could be on the same level of impact.  Granted that they are different, but I think genre matters.  Even within the realm of 'folks narratives' some are more important than others.

Well, few documents in human history have had the level of impact of the Bible.

I am of the belief that anything that survives, survives for a reason.  Whether in life, or more specific to this conversation, in culture.  I think that if we understand the appeal that causes something to remain popular, we understand something about ourselves.

I think that our dreams and nightmares and hopes and fantasies say more about us than our earnest attempts to describe ourselves.


In describing "value", what is the "value" in Amour?  What makes Amour more inherently worthy of my attention than say Gattaca or Westworld?

Good acting or complex, realistic characters? Is there more?  A gripping emotional experience? A profound insight on human nature? What really makes a movie or a book "valuable"?

Ok, but Gattaca exceeds the grasp of its genre while Sleepless in Seattle seeks to comfort the viewer and not change dialogue so much.

Gattaca doesn't exceed the grasp of the genre.  Gattaca demonstrates the possibilities of the genre. 

Science fiction (and "speculative fiction", for those who wish to seem serious-minded) are uniquely suited to telling stories that pose "what if?" type questions. Gattaca asks "what if the wealthy could genetically engineer their offspring?"   Minority Report asks "what if we could predict a murder before it happens?"  The new Westworld television series asks "what if computers began to become self-aware?"

Perhaps these kinds of questions could be explored in a movie about unattractive French couple sitting on a shitty couch in a shitty Paris apartment while they chat and chain-smoke, but I assure you the result would be total dog-shit.


Ok, so you seek escapism.  Thankfully, Will and Grace and All in the Family snuck their medicine into some humour, subversively, so that people would challenge themselves somewhat and not escape.

As it turns out, comedy is an effective and engaging way of presenting social commentary.  There are other engaging ways of presenting social commentary too, and thankfully not all of them require an unattractive chain-smoking French couple sitting on a smelly couch bickering for 2 hours.

Yes, I agree that Toronto is fantastic.  Next time you come let me know and Joan and I will take you around...
One time, I was flying in to Toronto on a clear day. I thought to myself "finally, I will get to see the famed CN Tower!"    Every other time I had flown into Toronto, it was cloudy or late at night and so I never got to see the famous tower.  This time, though, with the sun in the sky and not a cloud in sight, I was sure it was going to happen.  As the plane got closer to the city, haze began to thicken. Soon I could see very little. Then I heard someone say "look! It's the CN Tower!"  I looked and looked, and finally I saw it for myself. A tall thin grey shape surrounded by shorter thicker grey shapes in a sea of grey haze.  I was tremendously impressed, as you can imagine.

 -k