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« Reply #795 on: November 28, 2022, 04:57:53 pm »
I did.

Do you have an actual argument, or just insults?  I don't respond to insults.  I'm here to debate issues.

Uh huh..

Are you saying this is caused by racism?  Are you saying Europeans built boat technology strong enough to cross oceans and reach other far away continents before sub-Saharan Africans did because of racism?  Do you realize that there are other variables involved in income other than racism, and that any discrepancy between races is not automatically racism?  Correlation doesn't equal causation.

My argument is that race/racism is a cause of some some POC populations being disproportionately poor and pretending poverty and racism are separate and distinct forces is silly.

I mean, the net worth of a typical white family is nearly ten times greater than that of a Black family, how do you explain that without considering the historical facts of racism?
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« Reply #796 on: November 28, 2022, 06:02:17 pm »
The term people of colour needs to be retired.  It’s just a fancy way of saying coloured people, which was deemed to be improper years ago.  And lumping all “people of colour” into one group doesn’t work.

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« Reply #797 on: November 28, 2022, 06:24:43 pm »
The term people of colour needs to be retired.  It’s just a fancy way of saying coloured people, which was deemed to be improper years ago.  And lumping all “people of colour” into one group doesn’t work.
I'm sure they appreciate your concern and willingness to speak for them.

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« Reply #798 on: November 28, 2022, 06:42:54 pm »
I'm sure they appreciate your concern and willingness to speak for them.
I’m not speaking for anyone.  I’m just telling you and your ilk, stop recycling old racist terms using new lingo. 

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« Reply #799 on: November 28, 2022, 07:10:08 pm »
I’m not speaking for anyone.  I’m just telling you and your ilk, stop recycling old racist terms using new lingo.
Me? Cite?

Thought so. Loser. LoL

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« Reply #800 on: November 28, 2022, 07:13:08 pm »
I'm sure they appreciate your concern and willingness to speak for them.

Also I don’t think an illiterate person should talk about linguistics.

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« Reply #801 on: November 28, 2022, 09:45:07 pm »
Uh huh..

My argument is that race/racism is a cause of some some POC populations being disproportionately poor and pretending poverty and racism are separate and distinct forces is silly.

I mean, the net worth of a typical white family is nearly ten times greater than that of a Black family, how do you explain that without considering the historical facts of racism?

Yes it can sometimes be a cause.  But the article focuses on racism as the overarching cause of disparities in sleep, and the factors that lead to it.

If you go back in history long enough, the answer to why a typical white family is nearly ten times greater than that of a Black family is guns, germs, and steel.  Whitey built boats that could sail across oceans before most other ethnicities, they had access to guns and gun powder, they had more advanced medicine, they had literacy.  Parts of Asia had similar.

Here's the short history of humanity:  humans are racist, violent, and selfish.  Whitey won the technology race, and so had the power to spread their racism, violence, and selfishness on everyone else.  As a consolation prize, most everyone else got access to whitey technology.

Whitey won the technology and education race and most everyone else is playing catch up.  Racism can be a barrier in that catch-up, but it's not the reason why certain groups are playing catch up in the first place.

Indigenous people were often not treated well by whitey, but indigenous people were also illiterate and didn't have an advanced writing system/alphabet etc when Columbus showed up.  They had carvings and drawings and oral teachings but no books.  They didn't have horses or domesticated animals.  They were millennia behind western europeans and many asian cultures.  Whitey has tried to catch them up in technology access & education etc, but whitey did a bad job of it (ie: residential schools, which were racist).

Bottom line is we can't expect people who were born and grew up in rural Nunavut or rural Zimbabwe to have the same outcomes as people who were born and grew up in Toronto, even if racism never happened.  Even a lot of rural white people are barely literate.  Yes we have to fix the racism in our society, but we also have to figure out how to get poor and less educated people caught up with people who have more advanced outcomes, which includes reducing racism barriers but also other important factors, like education.  This is as true within Canada/US as it is globally.

So i don't think always blaming racism and whitey for all bad outcomes (like sleep) among POC is 1. factual, or 2. constructive.  If people want to blame whitey or racism for some of it that's perfectly reasonable.
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« Reply #802 on: November 29, 2022, 10:26:44 am »
Yes it can sometimes be a cause.  But the article focuses on racism as the overarching cause of disparities in sleep, and the factors that lead to it.

If you go back in history long enough, the answer to why a typical white family is nearly ten times greater than that of a Black family is guns, germs, and steel.  Whitey built boats that could sail across oceans before most other ethnicities, they had access to guns and gun powder, they had more advanced medicine, they had literacy.  Parts of Asia had similar.

Here's the short history of humanity:  humans are racist, violent, and selfish.  Whitey won the technology race, and so had the power to spread their racism, violence, and selfishness on everyone else.  As a consolation prize, most everyone else got access to whitey technology.

Whitey won the technology and education race and most everyone else is playing catch up.  Racism can be a barrier in that catch-up, but it's not the reason why certain groups are playing catch up in the first place.

We're talking about an article about sleep deprivation, what do gunpowder or sailing ships have to do with that?

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Indigenous people were often not treated well by whitey, but indigenous people were also illiterate and didn't have an advanced writing system/alphabet etc when Columbus showed up.  They had carvings and drawings and oral teachings but no books.  They didn't have horses or domesticated animals.  They were millennia behind western europeans and many asian cultures.  Whitey has tried to catch them up in technology access & education etc, but whitey did a bad job of it (ie: residential schools, which were racist).

Bottom line is we can't expect people who were born and grew up in rural Nunavut or rural Zimbabwe to have the same outcomes as people who were born and grew up in Toronto, even if racism never happened.  Even a lot of rural white people are barely literate.  Yes we have to fix the racism in our society, but we also have to figure out how to get poor and less educated people caught up with people who have more advanced outcomes, which includes reducing racism barriers but also other important factors, like education.  This is as true within Canada/US as it is globally.

What about disparities between people who grew up in the same city but with different schools, housing, opportunities etc?

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So i don't think always blaming racism and whitey for all bad outcomes (like sleep) among POC is 1. factual, or 2. constructive.  If people want to blame whitey or racism for some of it that's perfectly reasonable.

Strawman, nobody is blaming racism for all bad outcomes.

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« Reply #803 on: November 29, 2022, 10:51:58 am »
Democrats destroyed the Black family back in the 1960s with terrible social policies.  Blacks now have an illegitimacy rate of over 70%, which is staggering, when compared to other races.  7 out of 10 Black children grow up with no father.  That's going to have a significant impact on their future success or lack thereof. 
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« Reply #804 on: November 29, 2022, 11:06:30 am »
Democrats destroyed the Black family back in the 1960s with terrible social policies.  Blacks now have an illegitimacy rate of over 70%, which is staggering, when compared to other races.  7 out of 10 Black children grow up with no father.  That's going to have a significant impact on their future success or lack thereof.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parents_in_the_United_States

The increase doesn't look *that* different from all non-white ...

Do you think that the social policies affected whites too ?


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« Reply #805 on: November 29, 2022, 11:07:45 am »
Democrats destroyed the Black family back in the 1960s with terrible social policies.  Blacks now have an illegitimacy rate of over 70%, which is staggering, when compared to other races.  7 out of 10 Black children grow up with no father.  That's going to have a significant impact on their future success or lack thereof.

When someone talking about race starts going on about the "terrible policies of the '60s" without specifics, it's safe to assume they mean the end of segregation and Jim Crow and the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the VRA and that they are, in fact, massive racists.
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« Reply #806 on: November 29, 2022, 11:13:59 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parents_in_the_United_States

The increase doesn't look *that* different from all non-white ...

Do you think that the social policies affected whites too ?


Gee I wonder what happened to Black males during that time period in queston.





To be clear, the racist war on drugs and associated mass incarceration is a bipartisan problem that began with Nixon targeting Blacks and anti-war activists, continued with Reagan and was exacerbated by Clinton. But the biggest opponents of criminal justice reform and sensible drug policy are conservatives who are, almost universally, racists.
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« Reply #807 on: November 29, 2022, 11:38:49 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parents_in_the_United_States

The increase doesn't look *that* different from all non-white ...

Do you think that the social policies affected whites too ?


Policies affect everyone.  But it’s not necessarily the increase, but the end result.  Look at how high Black and Native are on the graph.  Those kids automatically start out at a disadvantage.

Johnson’s Great Society was a complete disaster.

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« Reply #808 on: November 29, 2022, 11:53:00 am »
Policies affect everyone.  But it’s not necessarily the increase, but the end result.  Look at how high Black and Native are on the graph.  Those kids automatically start out at a disadvantage.

Johnson’s Great Society was a complete disaster.

lmao called it.

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Historian Alan Brinkley has suggested that the most important domestic achievement of the Great Society may have been its success in translating some of the demands of the civil rights movement into law. Four civil rights acts were passed, including three laws in the first two years of Johnson's presidency. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 forbade job discrimination and the segregation of public accommodations. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 assured minority registration and voting.


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« Reply #809 on: November 29, 2022, 11:57:32 am »
For context:

The Destructive Legacy of the Great Society
Government subsidies for antisocial behavior stalled decades worth of black progress.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/entitlements-welfare-public-housing-great-society-black-family-father-crime-reconciliation-11632257747