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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #495 on: December 03, 2021, 09:59:50 am »
This is exactly what you do with the right.  Like bang on.  This is what this author did with Maher.  Your head is so far up your own arse you can't see anything but poo.

Fringe wokesters and alt-righters are both a bunch of crazy people.  I'll even say that the frothing rightwingers are at least 25% crazier than the loons on the left just so you don't go on a rant.  But go ahead, defend "your side" of the giant pile of idea feces.

Even if Maher is a hypocrite and might say something wrong or stupid who cares?  He's often bang on with so many points.  This dude is just trying to discredit him because his common sense makes him cry.  Bill Maher could shoot grammas and ra.pe babies and he'd still be right on a lot of his points.

Sorry the mean article hurt your feelings because it said your dad was a dolt. Try lying down in a safe space.

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« Reply #496 on: December 03, 2021, 10:01:18 am »
Yep.

I've been thinking about this phenomenon lately, as a facet of 'seeing everything'.  We can see ALL the Republicans and ALL the Democrats.  As when HD TV came on the scene, we now see the creases and wrinkles on the faces of the newscasters too well.

I don't think that's it. As much information as we have access to, all of it is mediated. In fact I think the perception that information is free is why we live in a golden age of propaganda and misinformation.
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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #497 on: December 03, 2021, 12:19:26 pm »
I don't think that's it. As much information as we have access to, all of it is mediated. In fact I think the perception that information is free is why we live in a golden age of propaganda and misinformation.

Arguable, but you can agree that the mediation framework has changed drastically

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« Reply #498 on: December 03, 2021, 02:08:05 pm »
Mediation starts with your own BS filter.

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« Reply #499 on: December 03, 2021, 03:31:03 pm »
Mediation starts with your own BS filter.

I think the great irony of the age is that the people who no longer trust the usual mediators of information (the press, the state etc) seem to be the most likely to lack functioning BS metres. Thus the rise of "I do my own research."

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« Reply #500 on: December 03, 2021, 04:56:48 pm »
I think the great irony of the age is that the people who no longer trust the usual mediators of information (the press, the state etc) seem to be the most likely to lack functioning BS metres. Thus the rise of "I do my own research."

Did you trust the Bush admin, Trump admin, and FOX News?

The problem isn't not trusting these bunch of corrupt filthy liars, it's that many people aren't educated to do their own research and know what is good vs bad info or even have access to it.  When it comes to vaccines I don't listen to the government or the news, I listen to my doctor.

Like I've never heard the media or gov tell people to stop using these cloth masks and walmart/costco masks that aren't that very effective and start using medical grade masks that are far more effective.  You watch any sports on TV and the athletes and coaches are usually wearing N95 masks lol.
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« Reply #501 on: December 03, 2021, 05:14:51 pm »
"They're both a-holes" is a self-serving false equivalency, the only purpose of which is to show everyone how you are a Sensible Moderate who transcends such radical ideas.

Bad ideas aren't problems because they're radical, they're a problem because they're stupid and make no sense and the problem they want to solve is either stupid or the proposed solution is stupid.

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It's not. You just struggle with politics beyond simplistic definitions tied to partisan labels.

Look in a mirror and then say that to me again.

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People have always, always been hired and fired for political/ideological reasons, you only see it as a problem when it's done for woke reasons. Why?

Actually I don't think anyone should be fired or denied employment if they're black or a woman and have thought that all my life like any reasonable person so WTF are you talking about?  If someone was fired for making pro-choice tweets and pro-BLM tweets on twitter i also don't think they should be fired.  So again, WTF are you talking about?  But guess what?  People at my workplace aren't being fired for those reasons.

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I keep stating my thesis that the woke panic is overblown, that the type of wokeness you find so offensive barely exists IRL and that woke people of that sort lack real institutional power but you simply can't grasp that point. It's maddening.

In Canada the "real institutional power" is for the most part with woke people.  Governments, teachers/profs/school admins etc.  So again, WTF are you talking about???  If you don't think it's a problem you're either blind or a willing participant.  You're colorblind except for the red maga hats you see in the crowd.

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If there are any reasonable American conservatives who have not been captured by the violent conspiratorial cult side of the party, they are either insignificant in number of too scared to actually speak up, which means they are irrelevant as a political force and to the the purposes of our discussion. But you keep trying to turn what should be a political discussion into a personal one and i'm not really interested in your ham fisted attempts to pathologize me.

Mitt Romney?  Yes that's about it.  Mitt Romney is the only member of the entire GOP who isn't certifiably insane, and he believes in mormonism.
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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #502 on: December 03, 2021, 05:33:15 pm »
Arguable, but you can agree that the mediation framework has changed drastically

Stop being a reasonable moderate MH, it only means you're a shill for the robber baron capitalist racist patriarchy **** rapist transphobes because you won't allow the far-left to tear down the entire system and replace it with something that looks like the joke human disaster societies that California, Washington state, and Oregon have turned into.  These people who can't even run their own streets without homeless people and bohemian vagabonds camping on their driveways and looting their businesses want the keys to the kingdom to remold society in their vision and how dare you question them!

The hippies that taught us it was cool to experiment with the drugs that now ravage our cities and the ones that helped us spread divorce and free sex (single motherhood) like wildfire, taught women that being a corporate slave with a dog-baby was better than raising kids, and taught men to be giant helicopter-parented wusses who are too scared of life to ask a girl on a date or stop playing video games and smoking weed in mom's basement.  If you don't bow to these naive morons YOU'RE THE PROBLEM!
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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #503 on: December 03, 2021, 07:04:28 pm »
I think the great irony of the age is that the people who no longer trust the usual mediators of information (the press, the state etc) seem to be the most likely to lack functioning BS metres. Thus the rise of "I do my own research."
Nothing wrong with doing your own research but there's not much point if you don't subject your conclusions to your own filter as well.
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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #504 on: December 03, 2021, 07:23:42 pm »
Mediation starts with your own BS filter.

I assumed the people around me all had one, and then when the BS started flying I saw them fall into it... badly.

Mainly the guy I worked with who seemed sort-of with it... who is now an anti-vaxxer and even posting flat earth stuff.  He was at university with me, even, though I didn't know him well then.

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« Reply #505 on: December 03, 2021, 07:25:31 pm »
Stop being a reasonable moderate MH, it only means you're a shill for the robber baron capitalist racist patriarchy **** rapist transphobes because you won't allow the far-left to tear down the entire system and replace it with something that looks like the joke human disaster societies that California, Washington state, and Oregon have turned into.  These people who can't even run their own streets without homeless people and bohemian vagabonds camping on their driveways and looting their businesses want the keys to the kingdom to remold society in their vision and how dare you question them!

This felt like a random word generator.  And I feel like you are being ironic but I am too baby-tired to sift through it.

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The hippies that taught us it was cool to experiment with the drugs that now ravage our cities and the ones that helped us spread divorce and free sex (single motherhood) like wildfire, taught women that being a corporate slave with a dog-baby was better than raising kids, and taught men to be giant helicopter-parented wusses who are too scared of life to ask a girl on a date or stop playing video games and smoking weed in mom's basement.  If you don't bow to these naive morons YOU'RE THE PROBLEM!

Well you are talking more about selfishness here and self-centredness which indeed is a heluva drug.
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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #506 on: December 04, 2021, 12:53:14 am »
This felt like a random word generator.  And I feel like you are being ironic but I am too baby-tired to sift through it.

No, I truly believe the leftists on the west coast are a bunch of idealistic fools who have built themselves an increasingly dystopian hellhole where nothing matters besides not hurting people's feelings.  The only part of the US that is somewhat sane is the north-east and parts of the midwest.  Blue collar working class types are my people, the urban woke, greedy white collar yuppies, and rural rednecks can all go suck it.
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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #507 on: December 04, 2021, 01:37:42 pm »
Bad ideas aren't problems because they're radical, they're a problem because they're stupid and make no sense and the problem they want to solve is either stupid or the proposed solution is stupid.

No bad ideas are only problems when they have real world consequences. Believing the earth is flat is stupid, but ultimately harmless. The widespread belief that vaccines are actually bad has real world repercussions.

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Look in a mirror and then say that to me again.

OK: you struggle with politics beyond simplistic definitions tied to partisan labels.

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Actually I don't think anyone should be fired or denied employment if they're black or a woman and have thought that all my life like any reasonable person so WTF are you talking about?  If someone was fired for making pro-choice tweets and pro-BLM tweets on twitter i also don't think they should be fired.  So again, WTF are you talking about?  But guess what?  People at my workplace aren't being fired for those reasons.

So what are they being fired for?

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In Canada the "real institutional power" is for the most part with woke people.  Governments, teachers/profs/school admins etc. So again, WTF are you talking about???  If you don't think it's a problem you're either blind or a willing participant.  You're colorblind except for the red maga hats you see in the crowd.

I can't believe you actually think teachers/profs/school administrators have more power than corporations, police, the military, the civil service, the corporate media etc. It's an absurd opinion as is the belief that neoliberal federal and provincial governments are woke.

The problem here, again, is you cannot separate perforative wokeness a la Justin Trudeau from the real thing, which requires systemic change.



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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #508 on: December 04, 2021, 01:44:12 pm »
Stop being a reasonable moderate MH, it only means you're a shill for the robber baron capitalist racist patriarchy **** rapist transphobes because you won't allow the far-left to tear down the entire system and replace it with something that looks like the joke human disaster societies that California, Washington state, and Oregon have turned into.  These people who can't even run their own streets without homeless people and bohemian vagabonds camping on their driveways and looting their businesses want the keys to the kingdom to remold society in their vision and how dare you question them!

You'd have to be a real moron to think the social problems in those places are due to wokeness and not the simple fact that those places have gotten too expensive for normal people to live in.

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No, I truly believe the leftists on the west coast are a bunch of idealistic fools who have built themselves an increasingly dystopian hellhole where nothing matters besides not hurting people's feelings. The only part of the US that is somewhat sane is the north-east and parts of the midwest.

You mean the impoverished and opioid-ravaged towns of the corn and rust belts?

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Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #509 on: December 04, 2021, 04:33:37 pm »
You'd have to be a real moron to think the social problems in those places are due to wokeness and not the simple fact that those places have gotten too expensive for normal people to live in.

You'd have to be a real moron to live in a tent than to move to a place where housing were cheaper.  And an uber moron to let homeless people built tent cities and let hooligans rob stores unchallenged and let people take over square blocks of downtown and rename it CHAZ.

Keep making excuses for dumbness though.
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