Canadian Politics Today

That's right and the devil is in the specifics.
It simply means anyone can see when outcomes are unequal where it's most obvious, which is usually after the fact and when it's too late.

I guess I should have said the problem is power but the solution needs to be applied at the other end of the pipe from which the outcomes are flowing. You're certainly not the only progressive who doesn't want to go there. Why remains a mystery to me.

It's a mystery because your contention is wrong.

Moderates, centrists and conservatives aren't that interested in campaign finance reform or expanding voting rights or any other issues that are upstream from their outcomes.

How so? Access to politicians behind closed doors is equal or it just doesn't have any effect on outcomes when access is weighted towards a small powerful influential group of lobbyists?

...the solution needs to be applied at the other end of the pipe from which the outcomes are flowing. You're certainly not the only progressive who doesn't want to go there.

They seem even less concerned with accountability.  I sense some sort of strong-man complex - a servile acquiescence to authority.  I think you're wrong to assume this is a nothing-burger, I happen to think its directly tied to why so much gets the fake-news label these days and why faith in governance is in such steep decline virtually everywhere around the world.  These are dangerous times and we're fiddling like proverbial Romans.   

I'm not saying the above doesn't happen.  I'm saying the left needs to check itself before it wrecks itself, which it already has done a wonderful job of doing.  The left and right are both a giant mess right now filled with more wingnuts than ever before.  It's quite amazing that everyone seems to be going insane.

Your issue is that you're always a hair-frigger from retreating into your defensive position of all-out left vs right warfare and always blaming the other side for everything and always assuming the worst intentions from them and not bothering to empathize or actually listen to them one bit. The anger in most of your posts is wrothing.  The sad thing is that you're obviously intelligent and capable of civil discussion but you're knee deep as a soldier in the culture war I guess.  This is true of a great many people.  The problem i think is a lack of empathy among everyone.  You're part of the problem, sorry.

What sucks is these issues are all very emotional and enraging and I get it, but we have to be better than this.  We have to get off our teams and call out BS where we see it instead of doubling-down.

Not everything criticizing racism by white people is crapping on white people as a whole.  But some of it is, and that's what i'm talking about it.  There's a point where it goes from an attack on racism to a condemnation of an entire group, and if done with bad intentions or just done poorly can get even well-meaning people's back up.

.  All i'm saying is the left needs to sometimes check itself before it wrecks itself, you've even admitted the left can sometimes go too far.

I'm sure there's some legit racists that want to ban MLK, but there's also a lot that just don't like CRT for the exact reasons they say.

So again you're pitting the right and left vs each other as if it's some p!ssing contest as to who is the bigger a-holes. Yes we know the right are bigger a-holes.  That doesn't mean the left's sh!t don't stink.

Also, the only source of power isn't just held in political office.

People are changing how people are hired and fired for political/ideological reasons or if they don't get a vaccine, sorry but denying employment decisions and school admissions etc are political too

No it's the loony left vs the racist right and each polarized minority is trying to recruit followers from the bystanders in the middle.

I was just effing with you and you believed me for some reason.  Get over it.

Do you actually believe this crap?  I think you're a rabid leftwing nutter.  Somewhere in there there's a reasonable person yearning to get out.

Some think that CRT and/or its proponents slot all individuals into groups and often assign group blame, group guilt, and group resentment for actions that individuals themselves had nothing to do with. 

I don't have a problem with CRT in general but I believe sometimes it goes nutty, because again some on the left are nutbars.

This is exactly the phenomenon I've been talking about: some fringe idea bubbles up and its seized upon by bad faith interlocutors as some new leftist orthodoxy no matter how inconsequential because they know the lie 

Not the issue.

Yeah no kidding. What's your point?

Anecdotes, anecdotes everywhere. Where's your rigorous social science research to back this up?

I think you genuinely believe this, which shows an astonishing lack of awareness of the world around us.

Oh you think I was talking about your pretending to be Black thing? LOL no, not everything is about you. I'm talking about the notion that if we just talk to and empathize with right wing people, we'd see they aren't crazy. I've tried it, it doesn't work.

I know that's what they think but that's because they are lying, stupid or both. If you want to see what they are actually objecting to,  here's a formal complaint filed by an activist group called Moms for Liberty claiming that four young-elementary books violated the Tennessee's new anti-CRT law. They repeat a lot of the claims you make, but if you read the complaints, you'll see what they are actually fighting is presenting children with historical facts that might make them feel bad. And that's the point of these laws and the anti-CRT campaign: treating white people's feelings as precious things to be protected at all costs. And thus seeing Norman Rockwell's painting of Ruby Bridges being escorted to school by federal marshals is basically the same thing as being told white people today are responsible for slavery.

Then why do you keep making it an issue?

The point is your point is incorrect.

I'm not denying people their basic legal rights, i'm just a mouth on the internet, I don't have a responsibility to put the work in because i'm not discriminating against anybody.

Doubling down on "my team's sh*t don't stink"?

There's a lot of people on the right that are indeed crazy and totally unreasonable, there's others that are.  You've put them all in the corner and painted them with a broad brush to hate on them, which is exactly how racists think btw.

What you keep doing is find the worst example and label that as the norm that everyone follows.  It's just bad faith nonsense.  The world is much more complex than your black-and-white world.

Yeah their examples are legit stupid i agree.  And yet I agree with the first part of it.  The people who wrote this are dumb.  Then again, it also goes back to my point about moralizing in the classroom.