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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2021, 07:16:30 pm »
There are basically no Communists anymore.  Anyone who is raising that is likely a troll

I think there are a lot more Marxist sympathizers than actual communists who have a real vision of a workable economic system and vote for those crappy communist fringe parties.

I think rather than some crisis of people turning to Marxism you have a rising ideology of soft do-gooders who largely just feel bad for people and see everyone as a victim or oppressor rather than demanding responsibility from anyone.  You see it in California with the homeless laws, people not being stopped when stealing from stores.  You see it in Portland and whatnot where politicians are afraid to use the police to enforce laws on rioters.  Woke is a radical victim ideology that sees most any hierarchies as evil and are out to destroy these hierarchies to give power to oppressed groups.  There's nothing wrong with helping oppressed people, but it has extended to a total worldview encompassing everything and where all our media and culture is a battlefield where people have to push some woke activist agenda.

The pacific west coast of North America, meaning California, Oregon, Washington State, and British Columbia are the most leftwing areas in North America and we're seeing the results of this ideology there, and elsewhere.  We're seeing what Hollywood is doing to our media pushing agendas.

What kind of parents are in these areas, do they discipline their children at all, or just feel bad for them all the time and let them get away with murder and turn them into entitled whiny schmucks who have never heard the word "no".  When these kids don't bother doing their homework do their teachers just give them extensions instead of holding them accountable? How do these people raise pets?  Do they let their dogs control them or do they have control of their pets?  People are becoming afraid to enforce boundaries and hold people accountable, for fear of "hurting their feelings".   These are soft people.  Grow some balls.
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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2021, 07:19:48 pm »
I agree with much of what you're saying and I'm at the point where I don't really care who gets the most seats between the Liberals and Conservatives (I used to see the Liberals as slightly better), but I don't think I could bring myself to actually ever vote conservative. 

Maybe I'll vote Communist just to prove MH's theory.

Yup.  Conservatives are filled with backwoods ignorant dumb-dumbs and the other parties are filled with ultra-PC wokies.  So basically we're screwed.  Where did the normal people go?
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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2021, 08:28:27 pm »
Problem is we don't, we'd rather kowtow than be called a racist sexist homophobe.  Same with companies/organizations/governments.


What example are you thinking of?

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« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2021, 08:30:31 pm »
I think there are a lot more Marxist sympathizers than actual communists who have a real vision of a workable economic system and vote for those crappy communist fringe parties.

I think rather than some crisis of people turning to Marxism you have a rising ideology of soft do-gooders who largely just feel bad for people and see everyone as a victim or oppressor rather than demanding responsibility from anyone.  You see it in California with the homeless laws, people not being stopped when stealing from stores.  You see it in Portland and whatnot where politicians are afraid to use the police to enforce laws on rioters.  Woke is a radical victim ideology that sees most any hierarchies as evil and are out to destroy these hierarchies to give power to oppressed groups.  There's nothing wrong with helping oppressed people, but it has extended to a total worldview encompassing everything and where all our media and culture is a battlefield where people have to push some woke activist agenda.

The pacific west coast of North America, meaning California, Oregon, Washington State, and British Columbia are the most leftwing areas in North America and we're seeing the results of this ideology there, and elsewhere.  We're seeing what Hollywood is doing to our media pushing agendas.

What kind of parents are in these areas, do they discipline their children at all, or just feel bad for them all the time and let them get away with murder and turn them into entitled whiny schmucks who have never heard the word "no".  When these kids don't bother doing their homework do their teachers just give them extensions instead of holding them accountable? How do these people raise pets?  Do they let their dogs control them or do they have control of their pets?  People are becoming afraid to enforce boundaries and hold people accountable, for fear of "hurting their feelings".   These are soft people.  Grow some balls.

Yeah, you're quoting FOX news gossip here, not actual issues so I will just let your comment stand without comment.

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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2021, 11:16:22 pm »
Yeah, you're quoting FOX news gossip here, not actual issues so I will just let your comment stand without comment.

These are my own observations.  Saying they're FOX talking points isn't an argument nor shows they're incorrect in any way.  I don't really see how any of what I said is controversial, it seems pretty basic.  Even if some person on FOX says exactly what I said that isn't an indication they are incorrect.
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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2021, 05:45:37 am »
These are my own observations.  Saying they're FOX talking points isn't an argument nor shows they're incorrect in any way.  I don't really see how any of what I said is controversial, it seems pretty basic.  Even if some person on FOX says exactly what I said that isn't an indication they are incorrect.

Not am I saying that these things didn't happen.  But they're in the mix because they satisfy preconceptions about what is the problem.

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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2021, 05:51:09 am »
Property crimes are offensive to the law and order mindset, which is primarily a right-wing mindset. That is why thefts, window breaking and so on are a feature of those conversations.

Rather than using the term wokies, which is about a cartoon of a certain kind of leftist, let's talk about factual and important events that are happening in our institutions.

It's difficult because so much news today is designed not to inform, but to evoke emotional response... Which is ultimately an entertainment.

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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2021, 06:00:22 am »
If you like, I can offer a left wing example of the same: horrible abuses of process, and crimes by white police against black people.

Is there racism and unprofessional behaviour, and brutality happening with the police?  Undoubtedly.

Are these videos evidence of this?  Certainly?

Is this problem getting worse or better?  No way to say.

Is this problem widespread?

We don't know.

Horrible images are used as propaganda for a reason: they blot out rational response with emotion.

I'd the problem was getting worse, but there were no videos, would it even get attention?

I wonder.

So making decisions around imagery will lead you to where we are going: a propaganda war.

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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2021, 08:45:05 am »
Property crimes are offensive to the law and order mindset, which is primarily a right-wing mindset. That is why thefts, window breaking and so on are a feature of those conversations.

Any rational and sensible human being should be offended by police abusing black people and aboriginal kids being abused by the catholic church,  as well as businesses and churches being burnt down and people robbing stores without being stopped.

People who think it's OK or not to get away with crimes based on the level victimhood of the group you belong to are crazy people.   It's guilt-based irrationality.
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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2021, 09:14:36 am »
1. Any rational and sensible human being should be offended by police abusing black people and aboriginal kids being abused by the catholic church,  as well as businesses and churches being burnt down and people robbing stores without being stopped.

2. People who think it's OK or not to get away with crimes based on the level victimhood of the group you belong to are crazy people.   It's guilt-based irrationality.
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« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2021, 07:03:14 am »
The left should recognize that woke corporate campaigns are a sign that symbolism, though fractious, means nothing to those who want to protect the status quo.

Although, rarely, you will find that they do care.  Yale changed the name of a college because the namesake Calhoun defended slavery. But Yale itself is named after a slave holder.  So where is the principle on this?


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« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2021, 09:54:48 am »
The left should recognize that woke corporate campaigns are a sign that symbolism, though fractious, means nothing to those who want to protect the status quo.

Although, rarely, you will find that they do care.  Yale changed the name of a college because the namesake Calhoun defended slavery. But Yale itself is named after a slave holder.  So where is the principle on this?

The principle is evolving, as is the resistance to social justice from social conservatives. That's all being woke means, that you're interested in greater social justice.

Bleeding hearts, SJW's, wokies...they're all the same thing and they've been with us ever since people could see it was wrong for cavemen to drag women by the hair into their caves and use violence and intimidation to lord it over weaker smaller members of the family, clan, tribe, country, race, species etc.

Things are evolving on other fronts as well, take environmentalism for example where the principle do unto others is becoming more akin to do unto everything.

Protectors of social injustice have been on the wrong side of evolution forever. Despite being amongst the beneficiaries they seem to hate the process a lot more than the result.
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« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2021, 10:04:44 am »
1. The principle is evolving, as is the resistance to social justice from social conservatives. That's all being woke means, that you're interested in greater social justice.

2.  Protectors of social injustice have been on the wrong side of evolution forever. Despite being amongst the beneficiaries they seem to hate the process a lot more than the result.
1. Ok, well then 'the left' can focus on other things since they have got Nike on board.  Plant a flag and let's get back to class politics.
2. Explain ?

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« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2021, 10:13:33 am »
The left should recognize that woke corporate campaigns are a sign that symbolism, though fractious, means nothing to those who want to protect the status quo.

I think the left also needs to wake up to how political parties that insincerely hitch their wagons to social justice do more to drag its heels than propel it forward. Take the snails pace of reconciliation or action on climate change for example.
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« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2021, 10:26:36 am »
1. Ok, well then 'the left' can focus on other things since they have got Nike on board.  Plant a flag and let's get back to class politics.
Exactly. The left should focus on expunging as much secrecy from our governance and political processes as possible.  Focus more on the distribution of power instead of or at least as much as they do wealth.

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Evolution is like a glacier, it just keeps coming, ultimately resistance is futile. Actually some people must love the process if the apparent hilarity and glee with which they push back is anything to go by.

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