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Offline The Cynic

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« Reply #375 on: November 24, 2021, 06:55:53 pm »

What also gets me about the complaint here is the idea that being open to hiring people from underrepresented groups means you have to hire someone who isn't qualified which sort of gives the game away.

That's because your ideology protects you from ever considering anything logically. If you're hiring the best, most capable person for the job you don't need hiring/diversity quotas.

And he specifically said he had a diverse workforce and was completely open to hiring whoever was the best applicant. But that's clearly not what you want.

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« Reply #376 on: November 24, 2021, 06:56:29 pm »
Already knew that Cynic was a liar, but thanks for confirming.

Already knew you were a stupid fukking twat so no need for anyone to confirm that.
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« Reply #377 on: November 24, 2021, 07:33:38 pm »
No one who has ever received a 'dumb' tag from Hardner has persisted on this site.

The shame is unbearable.
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« Reply #378 on: November 24, 2021, 07:36:36 pm »
The many ways woke culture harms all institutions subjected to it. Canada's government now seems to regard equity and diversity hiring plans as a much more important consideration in awarding science grants than the science itself. Imagine this freak trying to suggest he should be hiring on merit! Wow! What country was he born in!? Obviously not Canada!

An award-winning Canadian scientist said he has been refused two federal government grants for his research on the grounds of “lack of diversity” — even though he is originally from India and has repeatedly suffered racism.

Patanjali Kambhampati, a professor in the chemistry department at Montreal’s McGill University, believes the death knell for the latest grant was a line in the application form where he was asked about hiring staff based on diversity and inclusion considerations. He says his mistake was maintaining that he would hire on merit any research assistant who was qualified, regardless of their identity.


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/minority-professor-denied-grants-because-he-hires-on-merit-people-are-afraid-to-think

Prof loses grant for not being racist or sexist, just wow.

I can confirm that the federal gov is very racist and sexist when it comes to hiring, especially in supervisory/management/executive positions.  Virtually none of it is based on sound social science.

"Diversity", "inclusion", and "equity" are code words for anti-white racism and anti-male sexism.  Prove me wrong.
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« Reply #379 on: November 24, 2021, 07:39:11 pm »
What government and what department? You are aware that federal government departments and agencies all have separate policies, right?

Federal government.  Department is private info.

Agree.  Different departments would have different courses requirements.  So we can say that at least 1 of the many fed departments does not require woke training.
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« Reply #380 on: November 24, 2021, 07:44:03 pm »
Have a friend who is a teacher and very visible POC.  They were chosen by the board to do a presentation.  The board is mostly white teachers.  They show up and all 5 presenters the board chose are POC.  Presentation has nothing to do with being a POC.  So they made them do extra work to present something so they could show off how virtuous and inclusive the board is while the vast majority of teachers are white.

Judging people by their skin colour is gross.
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« Reply #381 on: November 24, 2021, 07:46:37 pm »
I ran the story by an authoritative source.

I will post their response later, but the short version is that the professor is grandstanding and intentionally did this for publicity.

But ok, let me post the rest later..

Post evidence and not rumours from your source if possible.
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Offline The Cynic

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« Reply #382 on: November 24, 2021, 09:00:09 pm »
No one who has ever received a 'dumb' tag from Hardner has persisted on this site.

The shame is unbearable.

You just hate it that I respond to insults from your team with insults of my own, don't you, boy? You just have to rush in to save them like a white sensitive, diversity-loving knight.
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« Reply #383 on: November 25, 2021, 06:11:20 am »
You just hate it that I respond to insults from your team with insults of my own, don't you, boy? You just have to rush in to save them like a white sensitive, diversity-loving knight.

Your assessments of me are superficial at best and wrong at worst.  You get the sense that I am a formidable discussion opponent and want to discuss with me but you don't have the knowledge to do so so you're happy to engage with me this way.


I don't hate anything.  Posts like yours are a dime a dozen - when I'm bored I go over and get this on MLW.


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« Reply #384 on: November 25, 2021, 06:12:41 am »
Post evidence and not rumours from your source if possible.

I don't have time now - but I will later.  It will be 'inside baseball' stuff, about the process but since I'm characterizing their words I won't be able to back it up if there are strong questions.  I might try to gather questions to go back to my source but they're busy doing actual work...
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Offline The Cynic

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« Reply #385 on: November 25, 2021, 09:41:31 am »
Your assessments of me are superficial at best and wrong at worst.  You get the sense that I am a formidable discussion opponent and want to discuss with me but you don't have the knowledge to do so so you're happy to engage with me this way.

There's that smug, overbearing progressive elitist attitude again. You're a cliche of the breed.

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« Reply #386 on: November 25, 2021, 10:06:24 am »
So you're saying the board of presidents is an inconsequential group, is that it? So racism is okay? And yet you and your shrill friends in ANTIFA are the ones who go crazy whenever anyone mildly conservative tries to demonstrate or give a speech. Why? It's a one-time event not even on TV? It's inconsequential? Why are you willing to break the law and commit acts of violence to stop it?

Your people are the ones talking about banning and burning books and passing laws that purge wrongthink from schools, you can shove your moral panic about wokeism up your gaping ****.

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« Reply #387 on: November 25, 2021, 10:10:24 am »
That's because your ideology protects you from ever considering anything logically. If you're hiring the best, most capable person for the job you don't need hiring/diversity quotas.

Yeah except we don't live in a fantasy world where meritocracy exists. Anyone who has ever had a job anywhere knows this instinctively to be true.

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« Reply #388 on: November 25, 2021, 10:16:53 am »
Prof loses grant for not being racist or sexist, just wow.

Prof loses grant for not meeting the requirements of the grant application. That said, i bet there's more to this story that the propaganda from PostMedia would have you believe.

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I can confirm that the federal gov is very racist and sexist when it comes to hiring, especially in supervisory/management/executive positions.  Virtually none of it is based on sound social science.

How about you provide some data to back up your claims.

I've never worked for the feds but I have worked for two different provincial governments and can attest that there are plenty of women in in supervisor and middle management roles, senior and executive leadership remains the domain of white men.

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"Diversity", "inclusion", and "equity" are code words for anti-white racism and anti-male sexism.  Prove me wrong.

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.


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« Reply #389 on: November 25, 2021, 12:28:16 pm »
Ok, the insider view on Prof Kambhampati:

- There's no way he didn't know what he was doing, so let's do away any idea that he was blindsided or surprised by the response to his application.  He was doing it to prove a point.  If you are so inclined you might think it was a publicity stunt or grandstanding.

- That said, what about the points about the EDI questions ?  Well - it is not an exception from hiring on merit first of all.    It's a free form part to show that you are paying attention to the concepts of EDI. 

- You couldn't even promise to hire a diverse group with the funding as you only get enough to hire a few grad students to assist, at most.   You would likely want to make sure that EDI concepts are understood, and the reason is to reduce the possibility of "old boys clubs" developing again.  That formation is anti-merit, by the way.

- So the prof basically thumbed his nose at the bureaucratic review by refusing to acknowledge the concept of EDI and his application got nuked as expected.  There's also an aspect of older schools being used to getting funded automatically in the past, and not being OK with the new ways - including EDI provisions.

There's nothing in the article that says the NSERC grant won't let you hire on merit.  He's saying that but it's not stated as the reason his application was rejected.  They are hoping you connect the dots to that but it's not there.
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