« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 21 22 [23] 24 25 ... 174

Author Topic: Woke Culture  (Read 30722 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10258
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #330 on: November 22, 2021, 09:54:42 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on November 22, 2021, 09:40:42 pm
No, I don't see the point in listening to anyone who treats awareness as an ideology. It's such a stupid starting point it's almost insulting.

I think he just treats "wokeness" as a set of ideas based on false assumptions.  But feel free to do as you wish.
Logged
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #331 on: November 22, 2021, 10:19:08 pm »
The government doesn’t require its employees to take such courses.

Bringing up Trump’s BS shows where Cynic is coming from.
Logged

Offline Black Dog

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 9216
  • Location: Deathbridge
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #332 on: November 22, 2021, 10:21:27 pm »
Quote from: Nipples Von Graham on November 22, 2021, 08:36:40 pm
Yes this magic power is called perception.

You mean bias.

I mean you're entitled to think whatever you want, but you should also recognize that the wokeness of Star Wars is one of the least important things you could spend time worrying about.
Logged

Offline Black Dog

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 9216
  • Location: Deathbridge
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #333 on: November 22, 2021, 10:29:45 pm »
Quote from: Nipples Von Graham on November 22, 2021, 09:31:12 pm
Well i'm not endorsing his answers in the Q&A, i'm talking about the speech at the beginning.

I agree "DESTROYING AMERICA" is a bit hyperbolic, i certainly wouldn't go that far because i don't think most people believe in the ideology.  I do think it's starting to erode some of our institutions somewhat, and I think it's an ideology based on a lot of false assumptions.  If we want to fight inequality and fight for social justice, I just don't think it's the way to go.

In fact, maybe the most disturbing thing of all is that there's a decent number of well-educated academics that believe in these false assumptions.  We need our PhD's to be smarter than that.

And yet you won't shut up about it.

Meanwhile the entire conservative movement in the USA, from the grassroots to the leadership of the GOP, has turned into a violent ethnonationalist cult of personality hellbent on dismantling voting rights and securing permanent minoritarian rule but for some weird reason I can't find any Ben Shapiro videos about that.
Logged

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10258
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #334 on: November 22, 2021, 10:40:35 pm »
Quote from: Black Dog on November 22, 2021, 10:29:45 pm
And yet you won't shut up about it.

Because members of the minority that do believe in this stuff work in Hollywood and are turning my entertaining into cringe.

Quote
Meanwhile the entire conservative movement in the USA, from the grassroots to the leadership of the GOP, has turned into a violent ethnonationalist cult of personality hellbent on dismantling voting rights and securing permanent minoritarian rule but for some weird reason I can't find any Ben Shapiro videos about that.

This has nothing to the video I posted.

If you want to talk about all the many crazy GOP'ers that are legit ruining the United States of America (but not Hollywood) make a thread about it.
Logged
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley

Offline Black Dog

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 9216
  • Location: Deathbridge
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #335 on: November 22, 2021, 10:53:58 pm »
Quote from: Nipples Von Graham on November 22, 2021, 10:40:35 pm
Because members of the minority that do believe in this stuff work in Hollywood and are turning my entertaining into cringe.

Nope, this stuff is being shoehorned in by big studios trying to expand their audiences and make even more money, they don't actually care about anything else.

Quote
This has nothing to the video I posted.

If you want to talk about all the many crazy GOP'ers that are legit ruining the United States of America (but not Hollywood) make a thread about it.

Of course it does. Freaks like Ben Shapiro (who, it must be said, loves to indulge in identity politics when it comes to supporting Israel and promoting Zionism) are blowing up a bunch of low stakes anecdotes from a country of 300 million people wokeness into an urgent existential threat to stoke white grievance culture and drive people to the GOP. And people like you and that dumb **** the Cynic keep falling for it.
Logged

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10258
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #336 on: November 23, 2021, 12:18:13 am »
Quote from: Black Dog on November 22, 2021, 10:53:58 pm
Of course it does. Freaks like Ben Shapiro (who, it must be said, loves to indulge in identity politics when it comes to supporting Israel and promoting Zionism) are blowing up a bunch of low stakes anecdotes from a country of 300 million people wokeness into an urgent existential threat to stoke white grievance culture and drive people to the GOP. And people like you and that dumb **** the Cynic keep falling for it.

Or maybe instead of this conspiracy theory you've imagined he actually thinks wokeness contains a harmful set of ideas that's causing harm in the country?  Again, this doesn't address the points in the actual video.

What if, shockingly, wokeness and white nationalism are both bad sets of ideas that are destroying America?

Logged
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley

Offline Michael Hardner

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12532
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #337 on: November 23, 2021, 06:32:06 am »
Quote from: Squidward von Squidderson on November 22, 2021, 10:19:08 pm
The government doesn’t require its employees to take such courses.
 

I'm quite surprised to see that you are right.

Managers are required to take such training:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/maple-leaf/defence/2021/07/defence-team-sub-delegated-managers-new-mandatory-training-on-unconcious-bias.html

And there is training available to all employees, though it is not mandatory:
https://www.csps-efpc.gc.ca/tools/jobaids/tools-combat-racism-eng.aspx

Live and learn...
Logged

Offline Black Dog

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 9216
  • Location: Deathbridge
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #338 on: November 23, 2021, 10:24:46 am »
Quote from: Nipples Von Graham on November 23, 2021, 12:18:13 am
Or maybe instead of this conspiracy theory you've imagined he actually thinks wokeness contains a harmful set of ideas that's causing harm in the country?  Again, this doesn't address the points in the actual video.

Is this your first time encountering Ben Shapiro lol. I don't think he actually believes anything other than what will get clicks/views and sell dick pills or whatever he's shilling these days.

Anyway the guy said systemic racism no longer exists. He's an idiot.


Quote
What if, shockingly, wokeness and white nationalism are both bad sets of ideas that are destroying America?




« Last Edit: November 23, 2021, 10:44:09 am by Black Dog »
Logged

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10258
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #339 on: November 23, 2021, 12:30:02 pm »
Quote from: Black Dog on November 23, 2021, 10:24:46 am
Is this your first time encountering Ben Shapiro lol. I don't think he actually believes anything other than what will get clicks/views and sell dick pills or whatever he's shilling these days.

Anyway the guy said systemic racism no longer exists. He's an idiot.

These are just ad hominem's that don't address his arguments in this video.

As I said from the outset, the video isn't a referendum on Ben Shapiro generally I just want to discuss his specific points in this specific video, and yet here we are.
Logged
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley

Offline Black Dog

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 9216
  • Location: Deathbridge
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #340 on: November 23, 2021, 01:20:38 pm »
Quote from: Nipples Von Graham on November 23, 2021, 12:30:02 pm
These are just ad hominem's that don't address his arguments in this video.

As I said from the outset, the video isn't a referendum on Ben Shapiro generally I just want to discuss his specific points in this specific video, and yet here we are.

Do you agree with him that systemic racism no longer exists?
Logged

Offline Michael Hardner

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12532
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #341 on: November 23, 2021, 02:13:06 pm »
Quote from: Nipples Von Graham on November 23, 2021, 12:30:02 pm
  I just want to discuss his specific points in this specific video, and yet here we are.

Our advantage here is that I believe you are intellectually honest. 

Like I said, feel free to glean relevant points from his video for us to discuss....

A lot of what I see in these videos is: individual events being elevated beyond their significance, various theories and discussions around race and identity being taken out of context, interpretations and applications of said theories and discussions beyond what could be reasonably inferred etc.

But who knows ?

We're talking about social megatrends here, so it's about values and emotions - not pure logic.  My assertion is that advertising and the culture of narcissus has replaced the traditional religious mindset of deference to a higher power.  The result being that the self has been aggrandized beyond anything that Christianity would have tolerated.

Now, how am I going to prove THAT ?  It might seem reasonable to some but to others it would seem ridiculous.  And there's nothing you could prove either way.
Logged

Offline The Cynic

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 288
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #342 on: November 23, 2021, 04:23:04 pm »
Quote from: Black Dog on November 22, 2021, 08:09:09 pm
If a white person's response to hearing that they are beneficiaries of racism is to turn into a Nazi, they probably already had one foot in the jackboot anyway.

Thanks for the perfect demonstration of woke ideology. There's only two sides in the world. Your side, and "Nazis'! Fukk, you're as dumb as dog shiite. You literally can't imagine any other position! Probably because of your total lack of human empathy and how human behavior works. If you weren't such a cringing, self-hating little biatch you'd be able to understand how being constantly accused of being an oppressor and being responsible for the failure of others and then being penalized for it would cause growing resentment. But nope, you have to jump straight to 'nazi'.

Quote
You so desperately want to be a victim, it's pathetic.

You're the whiny biatch who wants to tear the system down and get revenge because of what a loser you are.
Logged

Offline The Cynic

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 288
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #343 on: November 23, 2021, 04:24:46 pm »
Quote from: Squidward von Squidderson on November 22, 2021, 10:19:08 pm
The government doesn’t require its employees to take such courses.

Bringing up Trump’s BS shows where Cynic is coming from.

I already gave you cites, you dumb fuk.
Logged

Offline The Cynic

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 288
Re: Woke Culture
« Reply #344 on: November 23, 2021, 04:28:16 pm »
Quote from: MH on November 23, 2021, 06:32:06 am
I'm quite surprised to see that you are right.

Managers are required to take such training:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/maple-leaf/defence/2021/07/defence-team-sub-delegated-managers-new-mandatory-training-on-unconcious-bias.html

And there is training available to all employees, though it is not mandatory:
https://www.csps-efpc.gc.ca/tools/jobaids/tools-combat-racism-eng.aspx

Live and learn...

That is just one single type of training. There are many others, including the one I posted. I know people who work in government. And opting out is absolutely not something which can be done without one hell of a lot of explanation which would mark you as a 'problem employee'. And it's often mandatory, as with the military. But it's not like the government usually advertises these things because they know it pisses people off. Just like advertising for jobs and saying 'whites need not apply'.
But here are a few I found who make it clear.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/regina-public-schools-move-forward-anti-oppression-training-1.5908811
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/alberta-government-to-roll-out-mandatory-indigenous-issues-training-for-public-servants
https://beta.novascotia.ca/sites/default/files/documents/1-1522/learning-and-development-public-service-commission-en.pdf
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/vision150/tracker-suivi-eng.htm
« Last Edit: November 23, 2021, 04:45:43 pm by The Cynic »
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 21 22 [23] 24 25 ... 174
« previous next »