****, slavery, murder, and child molestation is a completely normal and natural human activity. It's been carried on since humans first walked the earth.
Point taken.
Baby murder while outside the womb, as opposed to baby murder while inside the womb.
Baby is an emotionally laden word. Until a fetus is viable outside the womb, it's only a "potential" baby and it may be rejected at any time by the body. So long as the fetus requires the femle's body to survive and can be rejected by that body at any time, then it has no existence or identity separate from that body.
This makes no logical sense whatsoever. I'm 100% completely against patriarchy and I dislike most religions. This feeds into the common argument of: "Pro-lifers/Christians/Men need to stop trying to control women's bodies".
In the Biblical passage I quoted earlier, do you suppose if a woman had gone to a priest to ask for an abortion, it would have been allowed? Do you suppose it's coincidence that abortion became more socially acceptable only after women gained more societal power? Or that methods of abortion have been known by women throughout history, but often hidden from the men.
Nobody gives a rat about a woman's boobs, their neck, their legs, their clitoris, their uterus or any other part of their bodies. Go amputate both your arms, get a bad boob job, dye your hair green, remove one eyeball, and get a tattoo of a naked Whoopi Goldberg across your back for all I care.
Even in the most patriarchal society, no individual man ever thinks "he" wants to control a woman's body but he takes for granted his socially and legally supported rights to control and direct his wife, his right to sex, his status as leader and discipliner of the family, especially the females. Our society is definitely moving away from that degree of patriarchy, but the dregs are there in the religious support for anti-abortion policies. Your rejection of that as a reason for your beliefs about abortion doesn't mean it's any less sprung from patriarchy.
What I actually care about is the little innocent human being growing inside a woman's body that the woman created through their own willful actions but refuse to take any responsibility for except to murder it. (yes, men involved too, but still ultimately the woman's choice too except in cases of ****).
This infuriates me. Why is it "the woman" who is automatically responsible for unwanted pregnancy in men's (and religious twit's) minds? No birth control is 100% effective, even when used perfectly. Women, being human, aren't perfect and so sometimes they get pregnant even though they aren't planning to, and aren't ready to. And, surprising as it may seem to you, men who sabotage women's birth control efforts are not as uncommon as you think. Do you know what happens all too often if a woman truly and accidentally gets pregnant and Daddy isn't interested? He accuses her of tricking him because she secretly wanted a baby, denies the baby is his, pressures her to abort regardless of her feelings about it, and does his damndest to avoid any and all responsibility. So yeah, in the nice tidy world inhabited by religious twits and conservative atheists - it's woman's responsibility to be pregnant, or not, depending on what the man wants - and she's the murderer of babies if she fails to be anything but perfectly acquiescent to what the man or the religious twits expect of her.
If you want to claim that abortion is murder because its a baby that is entitled to rights from the moment of conception, then that little baby should be charged for imposing itself on the woman without her express consent and keeping her confined for those months the baby took over her body. And the father should also have to pay for inserting his seed to create the baby: perhaps a jail term or forced marriage without the possibility of divorce would be appropriate.
If you don't like abortion, start by changing attitudes about who holds primary responsibility for birth control - that would be the
people having sex, whether male or female; two forms of birth control is 100% effective. Once you've got that covered, follow up by making the care of children a societal priority, even for families who have too many kids, or families that are poor, or families that only have one parent for whatever reason. Start creating a world where all babies and children are valued and cherished by the society even after they leave the womb, and maybe the whole issue of abortion would just disappear since by and large it's social and economic pressure that drives abortion, not female selfishness and irresponsibility.