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Offline BC_cheque

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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2018, 04:32:52 pm »
If a kid is acting like an asshole in public and their parent is doing sweet fuck all about it, then I think anyone who has to tolerate the little shits has every right to say something, regardless of whether they've had kids or not. There are some really shitty parents out there.

Argus's assertion that we should be smacking other people's kids is ridiculous. However, there is something to be said about going out for dinner at a nice restaurant to unwind after a long week when the parents two tables over are letting their kids literally run around the restaurant screaming and climbing onto tables of other patrons.

Do you think the restaurant manager should have kids before they say something? Or do you think its the parents' responsibility to be a little more considerate of other people's space by keeping their kids in line? And what if they don't? When is it appropriate for someone else to say something?


Now you're changing the goal posts by bringing up badly behaved kids in a restaurant right after you misconstrued my argument by saying I'm shaming childless people?

I wasn't talking about kids in a restaurant, I'm talking specifically about this ridiculous type of thread... kids are assholes because their parents raise assholes because nobody smacks their kids anymore.

There are lots of shitty parents who don't set boundaries, who don't follow through with threats, who do all the kid's chores for them and allow the kids to talk back to them, of course, nobody denies that.

But this BS about making a correlation between decline of smacking and bad behaviour is nonsense and typical of someone who doesn't know what parenting is about.

Correlation doesn't prove causation. 

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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2018, 08:00:09 pm »
You can never smack/hit another parent's child.  Mild smacking of your own child on your own property is fine, in public it should usually  be avoided except in extreme circumstances.
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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2018, 08:16:56 pm »
You can never smack/hit another parent's child.  Mild smacking of your own child on your own property is fine, in public it should usually  be avoided except in extreme circumstances.

I hope you're joking?

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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2018, 08:18:36 pm »
I wasn't talking about kids in a restaurant, I'm talking specifically about this ridiculous type of thread... kids are assholes because their parents raise assholes because nobody smacks their kids anymore.

There are lots of shitty parents who don't set boundaries, who don't follow through with threats, who do all the kid's chores for them and allow the kids to talk back to them, of course, nobody denies that.

But this BS about making a correlation between decline of smacking and bad behaviour is nonsense and typical of someone who doesn't know what parenting is about.

I agree with you completely.  You don't have to physically hurt a child in order to set firm boundaries. 

The bad parents you speak of is more evidence of the ever-more pussification of our society.  Parents being afraid of making their kids "feel bad" so they avoid punishing them or following through with threats, doing everything for their kids, not making them cook or do laundry etc., paying for everything, buying them cars when they get old enough, paying for their car insurance and everything else.  Now we have had a couple of generations of adult children in their 20's and even 30's still living with their parents and still not cooking, cleaning etc. and they make excuses for them like the "tough job market" or "expensive housing" yet they expect the nicely furnished place and nice clothes etc.  Wasn't long ago parents booted their kids out of the house at 18, then the kid got married had kids not too long after that, and had real adult responsibilities.  And its not the kids' fault, it's the parents.
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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2018, 08:26:57 pm »
I hope you're joking?

Why?  I'm not saying hit your child.  I'm saying if you're sitting around the house and your child does something horrible a little smack on the bum won't kill him,  but not hard enough to make them cry. I wouldn't personally hit my kid.

You have the OP video, then you have this, a mom smacking her son who was doing protest rioting.  Most people cheered this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5aNhO7c4qw
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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2018, 08:57:28 pm »
Why?  I'm not saying hit your child.  I'm saying if you're sitting around the house and your child does something horrible a little smack on the bum won't kill him,  but not hard enough to make them cry. I wouldn't personally hit my kid.

You have the OP video, then you have this, a mom smacking her son who was doing protest rioting.  Most people cheered this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5aNhO7c4qw

Nor would I. The issue you might quell for the moment might just become a much more serious one down the road. I think there are many better ways of chastising children than resorting to violence.
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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2018, 10:10:06 pm »
You can never smack/hit another parent's child.  Mild smacking of your own child on your own property is fine, in public it should usually  be avoided except in extreme circumstances.

If it's extreme circumstances, can we hit harder ?  And in even more public circumstances ?

If my kid is being REALLY BAD can I smack him in the face with a cream pie ?  During his own bar mitzfah ?

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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2018, 10:59:31 pm »
I never assumed I had all the answers. But if your kid has no self-discipline and no manners then you failed. If your kid is a whiny bitch you failed. If your kid becomes a Donald Trump or a Paul Bernardo then you failed.


This is not true.  Parents can have an impact, certainly, but anyone who thinks parents are entirely responsible for how kids turn out has their head up their ass. 
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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2018, 11:04:30 pm »
Now I understand the difference of opinion between parenting methods involving hitting and not hitting. But clearly, from this kid's shocked response, hitting was a new experience. So I would suggest whatever other method was being used failed.

Also, kids of about this kids age, and especially boys and especially boys in the company of other boys, will behave in ways entirely different than how they've been raised.  Sometimes kids just fuck up, even good kids.  Concluding a kid has lacked discipline or his parents are no good, or that he needs to be hit more based on a SINGLE VIDEO'd incident is just plain stupid. 

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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2018, 11:18:29 pm »
You know pretty much anyone who is spouting off about kids being rotten and their parents raising them rotten is childless.  Without fail.

Because these people are apparently fantastic at raising imaginary kids.   ::)

And without fail these mamby-pamby parents who weep over someone giving their kids a whack to discipline them are the ones with the shittiest behaving kids.
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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2018, 11:22:13 pm »
And without fail these mamby-pamby parents who weep over someone giving their kids a whack to discipline them are the ones with the shittiest behaving kids.

We raised 3 very responsible and well behaved kids, and we never needed to demonstrate to them that violence is the way. Those who resort to violence are the ones raising kids who don't understand self discipline.
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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2018, 12:29:34 am »
I would venture a guess that kids that have now grown up and joined gangs who go around beating up people got there in part because they were themselves beaten up as kids. Violence begets violence. Is that not obvious?

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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2018, 12:47:43 am »
I would venture a guess that kids that have now grown up and joined gangs who go around beating up people got there in part because they were themselves beaten up as kids. Violence begets violence. Is that not obvious?

And Id venture a guess that great scientists, learned philosophers and great architects were spanked as a child and turned out to be some of our best citizens.

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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2018, 12:53:58 am »
And Id venture a guess that great scientists, learned philosophers and great architects were spanked as a child and turned out to be some of our best citizens.

And I'd venture a guess that the very best of those people learned from their parents rather than being beaten by them, which is what gave them the head start.

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Re: When can you smack a kid in the head?
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2018, 12:57:59 am »
And I'd venture a guess that the very best of those people learned from their parents rather than being beaten by them, which is what gave them the head start.

Yes...  youd be guessing.