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Offline Michael Hardner

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Water Wars in Arizona
« on: July 26, 2018, 07:09:46 am »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/magazine/the-water-wars-of-arizona.html

I had read about depletion of aquifiers before, but I thought that there was some kind of sane management in place.  After reading this, I really don't think that's the case at all.  Arizona has been ATTRACTING water-draining agriculture businesses even as their taps run out.

These types of stories sound like leftist parodies of capitalism.  All centrists need to take notice and remind our populist brothers, sisters and nonbinaries that THERE IS A SWEET SPOT OF POLITICS BEEN HUGO CHAVEZ AND TRUMP.   Business can thrive, and social order can be funded with efficient and responsible government, without identity politics pushing everything else out.

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Re: Water Wars in Arizona
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2018, 09:37:05 am »
Business can thrive, and social order can be funded with efficient and responsible government, without identity politics pushing everything else out.
WTF? The problem in Arizona and other dry southern states is they have too little capitalism when it comes to water. i.e. they refuse to put a price on water and let it be consumed too cheaply - especially by big agricultural users.
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Re: Water Wars in Arizona
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2018, 10:46:26 am »
Government price control=capitalism?
I ll take it.

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Re: Water Wars in Arizona
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2018, 11:19:29 am »
Government price control=capitalism?
Collective resources like water need to be managed by a government monopoly. This requires some price regulation but variable pricing based on consumption is absolutely necessary.
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Re: Water Wars in Arizona
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2018, 03:44:51 pm »
WTF? The problem in Arizona and other dry southern states is they have too little capitalism when it comes to water. i.e. they refuse to put a price on water and let it be consumed too cheaply - especially by big agricultural users.

Price on water, what is next for the capitalists, a price on each breath we take?

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2018, 03:53:06 pm »
Price on water, what is next for the capitalists, a price on each breath we take?
If you don't want to pay for water then put a barrel out to collect it when it rains. If you expect someone to build an maintain a distribution network then you should expect to pay for it. Not putting a price on a finite resource only encourages waste. That said, each person could be granted a free allotment and people only need to pay for consumption in excess of their allotment. That should be enough to address concerns about people not being able to afford it.
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Re: Water Wars in Arizona
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2018, 05:54:57 pm »
If you don't want to pay for water then put a barrel out to collect it when it rains. If you expect someone to build an maintain a distribution network then you should expect to pay for it. Not putting a price on a finite resource only encourages waste. That said, each person could be granted a free allotment and people only need to pay for consumption in excess of their allotment. That should be enough to address concerns about people not being able to afford it.

Water is not actually a finite resource, but we do tend to misuse it in many ways. Of course a system that delivers it to your kitchen tap has to be paid for, but lets not water our lawns at noon when the sun is beaming down.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2018, 06:38:10 pm »
Collective resources like water need to be managed by a government monopoly. This requires some price regulation but variable pricing based on consumption is absolutely necessary.

*Hardner checks his watch wondering when the Capitalism part arrives*

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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2018, 06:39:15 pm »
Maybe they should stop pissing away their water on golf courses.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/09/28/phoenix-golf-courses-use-more-water-than-anywhere-else-in-us/72957908/

READ THE DAMN ARTICLE.  It's worse than that.   In an area where water is precious they started growing pistachio trees using a torrent of water every minute.
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Re: Water Wars in Arizona
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2018, 06:40:10 pm »
Price on water, what is next for the capitalists, a price on each breath we take?

READ THE DAMN ARTICLE
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2018, 06:41:04 pm »
Water is not actually a finite resource, but we do tend to misuse it in many ways. Of course a system that delivers it to your kitchen tap has to be paid for, but lets not water our lawns at noon when the sun is beaming down.

IT'S AN AQUIFIER - READ THE DAMN ARTICLE JESUS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. 

I would love to have the time to read the site all day but I am back in slave mode.... treasure your board time people.
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Re: Water Wars in Arizona
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2018, 06:47:37 pm »
Water is not actually a finite resource, but we do tend to misuse it in many ways.
Supplies of potable water are always finite. Annual water shortages occur even in rainy Vancouver because the demands of the population exceed the capacity of the reservoirs that are only filled during the winter.

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2018, 07:45:10 pm »
READ THE DAMN ARTICLE

Can't, wants money.  Maybe I am not the only one.
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Re: Water Wars in Arizona
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2018, 12:06:54 am »
Price on water, what is next for the capitalists, a price on each breath we take?

So pistachio farmers and golf courses should be allowed free access to water?