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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2021, 09:34:19 pm »
This is such a strange issue.  There's 2 possibilities:  this is real OR the US gov is punking us, ror more specifically, China and Russia.  Why else would you deny UFO's for a century and then start leaking classified footage all of a sudden?

Tom DeLonge, an ex-member of the band Blink 182, is a UFO believer and professional enthusiast trying to educate the public on the "truth" that real UFO's exist.  He claims to have had meetings with high level members of the Pentagon who have told him they've had contact with aliens.  I believe that he believes everything he says.

It's totally possible that the US gov is punking Tom, unbeknownst to him, to help him spread their propaganda.  But really, we don't know anything for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfjwOXTDWVc

Even weirder:  Former Canadian Minister of National Defense (1963-1967) Paul Hellyer claims that the US gov told him they've had contact with aliens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFl29Uos9K8
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2021, 09:55:27 pm »
This is such a strange issue.  There's 2 possibilities:  this is real OR the US gov is punking us, ror more specifically, China and Russia.  Why else would you deny UFO's for a century and then start leaking classified footage all of a sudden?

Tom DeLonge, an ex-member of the band Blink 182, is a UFO believer and professional enthusiast trying to educate the public on the "truth" that real UFO's exist.  He claims to have had meetings with high level members of the Pentagon who have told him they've had contact with aliens.  I believe that he believes everything he says.

It's totally possible that the US gov is punking Tom, unbeknownst to him, to help him spread their propaganda.  But really, we don't know anything for sure.

Even weirder:  Former Canadian Minister of National Defense (1963-1967) Paul Hellyer claims that the US gov told him they've had contact with aliens.

Isn't the issue plenty interesting enough on its own merits? I'm reminded of that scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind where that fellow pipes up about Bigfoot during a meeting about UFO's.

No doubt the day the aliens land in an official public capacity it will be attended by a veritable freaker's ball of every crackpot with a pot to bang on.

The problem with conspiracy theories of course is that most of them often contain elements that have at least some basis in reality i.e. governments are sneaky, paranoid and systematically avoid transparency and accountability.  That's probably the mother of all rabbit holes right there.
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2021, 10:23:35 pm »
Isn't the issue plenty interesting enough on its own merits? I'm reminded of that scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind where that fellow pipes up about Bigfoot during a meeting about UFO's.

No doubt the day the aliens land in an official public capacity it will be attended by a veritable freaker's ball of every crackpot with a pot to bang on.

The problem with conspiracy theories of course is that most of them often contain elements that have at least some basis in reality i.e. governments are sneaky, paranoid and systematically avoid transparency and accountability.  That's probably the mother of all rabbit holes right there.

Maybe I'll need to see them with my own eyes.  Either way, right now they aren't affecting my life in any way (that I know of) so it's not even worth worrying about whether true or not true.
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2021, 11:03:16 pm »
Maybe I'll need to see them with my own eyes.  Either way, right now they aren't affecting my life in any way (that I know of) so it's not even worth worrying about whether true or not true.
I get that, I kind of feel the same way about commie submarines apparently sneaking around off the coast.  I've heard tales of boats suddenly being hauled backwards and under the waves by submarines caught in their trawls so I suppose there is that.

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2021, 12:13:50 am »
I don't know. Our sun is a G type star. From what I can find out astronomers have identified 512 G type stars within 100 light years of Earth. Space is a big place.
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2021, 10:17:03 pm »
I'm not an engineer, but one thing I am aware of is a principle called "Shannon's Law".   It's an information theory principle based on the principle that a communications link's usable data capacity is relative to its signal-to-noise ratio.  If we are talking about 1920s-level radio technology transmitted across interstellar distances, the signal-to-noise ratio is basically dogshit and the usable data capacity is also dogshit and therefore a hypothetical alien intelligence would be unable to distinguish between our transmissions and literal dogshit.

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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2021, 12:08:45 am »
And yet this is what we are trying to do with things like SETI and other searches for extra terrestrial life.
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2021, 12:24:11 am »
And yet this is what we are trying to do with things like SETI and other searches for extra terrestrial life.

Shannon's Law is a real thing.  Marconi's famous trans-Atlantic "s" transmission will, as it reaches the forefront of that 120 light-year radius you mentioned, be pretty much indistinguishable from "fzzzzz" or any other random noise propagating through the cosmos.

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2021, 12:48:16 am »
I flew "fing wings' and so mostly at lower altitudes. but I did have a thing swirl around me at low level over a flight in Labrador. It seemed a little bit more tan just a flash from too many beers at Suzies las night. Ya know, Makkovik. But anyway I'm still here.

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2021, 01:58:06 am »
There was a fellow on TV a few days ago explaining some of them.  I can't remember which channel, and I can't find the video on line either.

given the examples you mention, I'm quite sure you (and I) saw the same segment (I think I saw it on CNN) - "skeptical investigator" guy reviewing... explaining... UFO sightings was Mick West. A most interesting twitter feed covers those same examples

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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2021, 10:02:33 am »
I'm not an engineer, but one thing I am aware of is a principle called "Shannon's Law".   It's an information theory principle based on the principle that a communications link's usable data capacity is relative to its signal-to-noise ratio.  If we are talking about 1920s-level radio technology transmitted across interstellar distances, the signal-to-noise ratio is basically dogshit and the usable data capacity is also dogshit and therefore a hypothetical alien intelligence would be unable to distinguish between our transmissions and literal dogshit.

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Does the strength of a signal make a difference?  There were some pretty powerful commercial radio transmitters being employed by broadcasters in the 50's.  I remember reading that the first Howdy Doody shows were broadcast from one powerful transmitter and will likely be the first radio signals anyone might receive. They'd be out about 70 light years now.

I also wonder how the signals that must have been generated when atmospheric nuclear bomb testing was underway would be interpreted - as more random naturally generated noise or would they carry a sign that indicated their artificial origin?

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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2021, 05:21:38 pm »
given the examples you mention, I'm quite sure you (and I) saw the same segment (I think I saw it on CNN) - "skeptical investigator" guy reviewing... explaining... UFO sightings was Mick West. A most interesting twitter feed covers those same examples

Yes, that's the guy.  I thought he made sense, the short time he was on.  I'll have to look further into what he has to say.

Shame really.  I'd like it to be aliens.
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