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Offline eyeball

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UFO's
« on: May 24, 2021, 01:46:18 pm »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

What to make of this now?  There's been no suggestion there's something mystical or magical going on, that the phenomenon isn't technological and either of alien origin or resulting from glitches and shortcomings in our technology.

If it is alien it's pretty cool. They must have inertial dampeners to be able to accelerate suddenly up to what some estimate is 60000 MPH and stop just as suddenly apparently without turning pilots/passengers into a thin pasty film on a 'Tic Tac's' bulkheads. This suggests an ability to manipulate gravity.

I'm curious about their politics and what we might be able to speculate given what we do know about them. They don't seem to be too strictly bound by a Prime Directive given they've revealed themselves to us. At the very least they've been careless about being seen or they simply don't care.  Why they're here could be motivated by many things but the fact we're here is probably quite important.  We've been making enough radio noise for long enough now that there's an expanding sphere of radio noise nearly 300 light years across containing almost 6000 stars.  Given our discoveries of exoplanets and inferring that every star has at least one planet we can't rule out the possibility we revealed ourselves to them first - there have been scientists who've expressed concern that we've been careless about that but what's done is done.

I wonder what they think of us?  Are we merely interesting from their scientific view or are we perhaps threatening in some way?  We're an interstellar species now, we've sent our signature and our spacecraft beyond our own solar system. That could have political and perhaps military implications for other species and civilizations around us.  Perhaps we're technologically advanced enough that we can't and shouldn't be left alone.  The differences in types of 'craft' is interesting too, perhaps they represent different factions or countries from one alien society or there could be several species visiting and studying us. Perhaps we have our supporters and detractors amongst them struggling with moral and ethical issues raised by our emergence on the interstellar scene.  Are they here to save us from ourselves or themselves from us?  Given our history the most graphic of which is probably as available to them as us thru our transmissions it could be we represent what a quintessential monster from outer space looks like. Invasive, militaristic, expansionary, venal, amoral etc etc. It probably doesn't help many of our religions and nations few themselves as chosen being's with a divine centric view of the right to be complete assholes towards others.  But then perhaps our supporters see something better and more noble that's worth saving and valuing. 

I always preferred science fiction over fantasy, was fascinated by our space endeavours and astronomical discoveries.  I have a telescope and love looking out there.  I wish I could live long enough to see how thigs turn out.

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Offline Bubbermiley

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2021, 02:04:15 pm »
It's all in the Urantia Book. Apparently.

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2021, 02:07:42 pm »
Nah...I don't buy it - To Serve Man (a cookbook) is clearly more plausible. Like I said fiction over fantasy.
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2021, 02:43:51 pm »
Our radio waves would have only extended to a radius of around 120 light years. Anyone receiving them would need to travel in excess of light speed to be here by now. Possible but unlikely. As Carl Sagan said, We live on a small planet orbiting an average star on an arm of an average galaxy. Why would anyone even be looking here?

Unexplained phenomena for sure but it hasn't been established that they are even objects.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2021, 03:35:02 pm »
There was a fellow on TV a few days ago explaining some of them.  I can't remember which channel, and I can't find the video on line either. (Cue Twilight Zone theme?)

The "USS Russell" video was the easiest.  There's a triangle in it, acting strangely.  For a triangle, anyway.  But it's viewed through a triangular apperture, apparently, and is also out of focus.  (There are a couple of stars off to the left of the object in question that also appear triangular, and appear to confirm his contention)

The "GIMBAL" video is also a FLIR video, and he said it can be explained by the object being a heat signature from the rear of a jet travelling in the same direction as the camera, with the movement attributed to the gimbal on which the camera is situated.

The "GOFAST" video, he put down to parallax.

He said he would come back on to explain others.  I'm keeping an eye out.

I did read that Fox News said we should all be very concerned, so I'm really quite relaxed about the whole thing.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2021, 04:56:23 pm »
I'm very relieved that Fox said we should be concerned.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2021, 04:57:48 pm »
Our radio waves would have only extended to a radius of around 120 light years. Anyone receiving them would need to travel in excess of light speed to be here by now. Possible but unlikely. As Carl Sagan said, We live on a small planet orbiting an average star on an arm of an average galaxy. Why would anyone even be looking here?
A radius that small would indicate we've only been broadcasting for 60 years. We've been at it longer than that I think. In any case the sphere encompasses thousands of stars. I would think they'd be looking because we've said 'here we are'.

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Unexplained phenomena for sure but it hasn't been established that they are even objects.
Well, it's probably only a matter of time and I suspect there will be more effort put into figuring it put. Congress is going to be briefed and its hard to imagine them just leaving it alone if its discussed in terms of national security.

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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2021, 05:17:10 pm »
A radius that small would indicate we've only been broadcasting for 60 years. We've been at it longer than that I think. In any case the sphere encompasses thousands of stars. I would think they'd be looking because we've said 'here we are'.
Well, it's probably only a matter of time and I suspect there will be more effort put into figuring it put. Congress is going to be briefed and its hard to imagine them just leaving it alone if its discussed in terms of national security.

The first trans Atlantic radio broadcast was about 120 years ago. Using that as a baseline, radius would be 120 light years.
Our own searches for extra terrestrial radio waves can only cover small parts of the galaxy at a time and only for limited periods. Separating what might be generated by beings from noise is also a problem.

As far as we know, light speed is a universal speed limit that is only exceeded in science fiction.

There are enough complete wing nuts in the US Congress that I will be pleasantly surprised if we get much more than entertainment.  Jewish space lasers anyone?
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2021, 05:39:17 pm »
The first trans Atlantic radio broadcast was about 120 years ago. Using that as a baseline, radius would be 120 light years.

Wouldn't it be 240 if the signals go in all directions? 120 would be straight line from Earth to the edge of the sphere, surely our fast-as-light radio signals have been broadcast in every direction by now.

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Our own searches for extra terrestrial radio waves can only cover small parts of the galaxy at a time and only for limited periods. Separating what might be generated by beings from noise is also a problem.

As far as we know, light speed is a universal speed limit that is only exceeded in science fiction.
Yes, so far as we know. Who knows what might be possible given the inertia-less behaviour exhibited by UAP's? It suggests a mastery of gravity which is something we still barely understand at the moment.  As for teasing out details from noise we're getting pretty clever at teasing out details of planets from within the glare of their stars and it's been postulated be able to even detect things like industrial pollution from spectro-analysis.

Perhaps some Tic Tac will land in front of a rover on Mars or the moon or leave a graffiti-like "Kilroy was here" sign for us to scratch our heads over.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2021, 06:07:17 pm »
Wouldn't it be 240 if the signals go in all directions? 120 would be straight line from Earth to the edge of the sphere, surely our fast-as-light radio signals have been broadcast in every direction by now.


They wouldn't be any farther from earth than 120 light years in any one direction. If you drop a rock in water, the ripples radiate outward the same distance in every direction. If extra terrestrials who could travel at light speed picked up our signals from that distance and left immediately, it would take them another 120 years to get here.

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Yes, so far as we know. Who knows what might be possible given the inertia-less behaviour exhibited by UAP's? It suggests a mastery of gravity which is something we still barely understand at the moment.  As for teasing out details from noise we're getting pretty clever at teasing out details of planets from within the glare of their stars and it's been postulated be able to even detect things like industrial pollution from spectro-analysis.

Perhaps some Tic Tac will land in front of a rover on Mars or the moon or leave a graffiti-like "Kilroy was here" sign for us to scratch our heads over.


The reason they are now called UAP's is because they are unidentified phenomena, calling them objects is conjecture.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2021, 06:31:44 pm »
They wouldn't be any farther from earth than 120 light years in any one direction. If you drop a rock in water, the ripples radiate outward the same distance in every direction.
True but they would travel 120 light years in every direction meaning the total from the farthest direction to the opposite would total of 240.  The point I was really making is that our signal has reached thousands of star systems. 
 
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If extra terrestrials who could travel at light speed picked up our signals from that distance and left immediately, it would take them another 120 years to get here.
You're assuming they're limited by the speed of light or that our signal hasn't been received and boosted even farther at faster-than-light speed. Its a safe assumption though given what we know but given what we don't know appears to be at the heart of this issue its certainly open to conjecture.

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The reason they are now called UAP's is because they are unidentified phenomena, calling them objects is conjecture.
As are the possibilities I'm raising.  I'm certainly hope the conjecture about aliens and advanced sci-fi technology is real and possible, it's something I've imagined and been interested in since I was a kid. Don't get me wrong, I've spent an inordinate amount of time trying to dispel fantastical thinking in my circle of acquaintances and I've taken real pains to ensure my own thinking is appropriate in the sense that it's based in reality and not illusion/delusion.  I'd love if it was real but I'm not about to place faith in it. I hope Congress throws a shitload of science and money at researching it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2021, 07:16:16 pm »
True but they would travel 120 light years in every direction meaning the total from the farthest direction to the opposite would total of 240.  The point I was really making is that our signal has reached thousands of star systems. 
 You're assuming they're limited by the speed of light or that our signal hasn't been received and boosted even farther at faster-than-light speed. Its a safe assumption though given what we know but given what we don't know appears to be at the heart of this issue its certainly open to conjecture.
As are the possibilities I'm raising.  I'm certainly hope the conjecture about aliens and advanced sci-fi technology is real and possible, it's something I've imagined and been interested in since I was a kid. Don't get me wrong, I've spent an inordinate amount of time trying to dispel fantastical thinking in my circle of acquaintances and I've taken real pains to ensure my own thinking is appropriate in the sense that it's based in reality and not illusion/delusion.  I'd love if it was real but I'm not about to place faith in it. I hope Congress throws a shitload of science and money at researching it.

It will still only have travelled 120 light years from earth.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2021, 08:40:53 pm »
It will still only have travelled 120 light years from earth.
That's right. And what is the radius of the sphere formed by radio waves travelling outward 120 light years in every direction? 

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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2021, 09:11:24 pm »
That's right. And what is the radius of the sphere formed by radio waves travelling outward 120 light years in every direction?

The radius us 120 light years, the diameter is 240 light years. Aliens will only be hearing the ones coming at them, not the ones going in the other direction.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2021, 09:18:19 pm »
The radius us 120 light years, the diameter is 240 light years. Aliens will only be hearing the ones coming at them, not the ones going in the other direction.
Meaning the sphere is 240 light years across and contains thousands of stars. You could have agreed to that while pointing out my error but oh well. In any case its still interesting.