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« Reply #315 on: February 18, 2021, 07:46:18 pm »
They do.  And ... do we think that this may actually be helping Hollywood move to a better way ?

It just occurred to me now that so many vulnerable situations and so many lawyers and so many camera phones might scald the hedonistic beast into behaving.  But I have no idea, I am just asking.

I think it will, it has in other work environments.
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« Reply #316 on: February 18, 2021, 07:57:51 pm »
Japan's Olympic head steps down because of homophobic comment that women talk too much. Replaced by a woman. Karma.
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« Reply #317 on: February 18, 2021, 08:25:29 pm »
Japan's Olympic head steps down because of homophobic comment that women talk too much. Replaced by a woman. Karma.

Homophobic or sexist ?  Japan cares about this ?
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« Reply #318 on: February 18, 2021, 08:52:23 pm »
To be honest, I looked up the Tweet and thought that she wouldn't have been fired for Tweeting this as a Democrat.

In other words, the offense was inferred more than implied.  Fairly inferred, I suppose.  Am I crazy?  She was writing about the roots of hatred.

The thing that bothers me most, I think, is that some number of news outlets reported that she made "anti-Semitic remarks" which I don't think is an accurate description of what she posted, and makes it sound as if she is hateful rather than merely stupid.


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delves into her Twitter history (before wandering off to ponder whether this is comparable to Hollywood blacklisting suspected communists in the 1950s):

Earlier this week, Gina Carano, an actor in The Mandalorian, was fired from her job after a controversy over an allegedly anti-Semitic social-media post. In short order, UTSA, her talent agency, dropped her as a client.

Many media accounts have taken the anti-Semitism charge at face value (USA Today: “… an anti-Semitic Instagram Story that she shared from another user.”) The post in question, which triggered a social-media firestorm that quickly led to her firing and loss of representation, was not anti-Semitic by any reasonable definition. The post simply argued (uncontroversially) that the Holocaust grew out of a hate campaign against Jews, which it then likened (controversially) to hatred of fellow Americans for their political views:

    “Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors … even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views”

I don’t find this post especially insightful. But overheated comparisons to Nazi Germany are quite common, and, more to the point, not anti-Semitic. There is no hint anywhere in this post of sympathy for Nazis or blame for their victims.

Many of the reports of Carano’s termination string together the trumped-up offense of her post about Nazism with a series of controversial posts. The worst of them is a post insinuating elections are rife with voter fraud and should impose photo ID — a claim that, while provably false, is also a standard-issue Republican belief. The second-most controversial post in her history is a very small joke, in which she added “boop/bop/beep” to her Twitter profile, before apologizing for the insensitivity of seeming to mock the practice of including pronouns in social-media biographies.

The remainder of her case history seems to consist of commonly held beliefs. Variety solemnly reports, “Other posts, including a quote saying ‘Expecting everyone you encounter to agree with every belief or view you hold is **** wild’ and one saying ‘Jeff Epstein didn’t kill himself,’ remained.” The suspicion that Epstein was murdered is hardly unusual. And Carano’s belief that we should not expect everybody we encounter to share all our beliefs is not only widespread but utterly sensible. Indeed this seems to be the central point of disagreement between Carano and her former employer and client.

What’s most striking about the news coverage of Carano’s defenestration is the utter absence of any scrutiny of her employer or her (now-former) agency. The tone of the reporting simply conveys her posts as though they were a series of petty crimes, the punishment of which is inevitable and self-evidently justified. The principle that an actor ought to be fired for expressing unsound political views has simply faded into the background.



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« Reply #319 on: February 18, 2021, 08:59:15 pm »
Japan's Olympic head steps down because of homophobic comment that women talk too much. Replaced by a woman. Karma.

He was, like, 114 years old...  not sure why anyone is surprised that the old fella had some outdated views...

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« Reply #320 on: February 18, 2021, 09:08:14 pm »
He was, like, 114 years old...  not sure why anyone is surprised that the old fella had some outdated views...

Maybe not surprised but it is an international event in which half the participants are women.
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« Reply #321 on: February 18, 2021, 09:17:51 pm »
@kimmy correct, no anti-Semitism I can see either.

Maybe the liberal press has had it with playing fair against FIX and its ugly imitators.

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« Reply #322 on: February 18, 2021, 09:18:09 pm »
OF course they're doing it for money. When your face and likeness is tied to their company because your visage is part of their most popular franchise at the moment, everything you say publicly becomes a reflection on the company. In an industry where image is everything, they absolutely are going to control their image.

This is the same **** we discussed years ago when a firefighter got fired on Twitter. I had argued then that if he wasn't wearing his uniform, there would be no connecting him to his employer and he wouldn't have been fired. However, the moment you make idiotic comments and you look like the face of a company or are tied to that company, then the company is going to do everything it needs to do to protect itself. If you're projecting an image that they feel is harmful to their profits, they're going to jump on the opportunity to make an example of you to correct the image. Branding, image, etc. are highly profitable. An retail industry executive and I were having coffee one day and I'll never forget something he said, "Everyone thinks Nike makes and sells shoes. Nike doesn't sell shoes. Hell, they don't even make their shoes. They hire outside contractors to do that. What Nike creates is a lifestyle through image and branding. That's their product, not the actual material goods." That's how important image is. So this is why athletes who **** up get tanked and the same goes here for Gina with Disney.


All of this is true, and it's the flip side of the same coin that saw The Dixie Chicks, and Kathy Griffin, and Colin Kaepernick get shut out of their industries.   I bet a lot of people who are delighted that Gina Carano is out of the Star Wars franchise are the same people who are mad that no NFL team wants Colin Kaepernick.

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« Reply #323 on: February 18, 2021, 09:22:10 pm »

All of this is true, and it's the flip side of the same coin that saw The Dixie Chicks, and Kathy Griffin, and Colin Kaepernick get shut out of their industries.   I bet a lot of people who are delighted that Gina Carano is out of the Star Wars franchise are the same people who are mad that no NFL team wants Colin Kaepernick.

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So you think Disney wants to be associated with someone who thinks Republicans are being persecuted like the Jews were prior to the Nazis taking power in Germany? 

The analogy is just so batshit crazy...   I don’t blame any company for not wanting to be associated with that nut.

Dixie Chicks stood up against an unjust war.   This actress thinks Republicans are being persecuted.  You don’t see a difference? 
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« Reply #324 on: February 18, 2021, 09:28:06 pm »
Maybe not surprised but it is an international event in which half the participants are women.

Well, yeah...   they never should’ve hire the old fella....   I would imagine he’s probably done a lot of good things for Japan since the Shogun was in charge and they wanted to pay him back with a job that would show him some honour near the end of his long run...    they probably didn’t think he’d actually talk!! 


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« Reply #325 on: February 18, 2021, 09:32:39 pm »
So you think Disney wants to be associated with someone who thinks Republicans are being persecuted like the Jews were prior to the Nazis taking power in Germany? 

The analogy is just so batshit crazy...   I don’t blame any company for not wanting to be associated with that nut.

Dixie Chicks stood up against an unjust war.   This actress thinks Republicans are being persecuted.  You don’t see a difference? 

It is, as cybercoma and Poonlight agreed, all about the Benjamins. 

The Dixie Chicks' remarks about President Dubya were extremely unpopular with country music fans. End of story.

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« Reply #326 on: February 18, 2021, 09:36:09 pm »
It is, as cybercoma and Poonlight agreed, all about the Benjamins. 

The Dixie Chicks' remarks about President Dubya were extremely unpopular with country music fans. End of story.

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Sure...   boycotting is one thing.  Threatening is another.  What happened to them was closer to what the actress was talking about than what the average Republican is going through...  she’s a whack-a-doodle.

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« Reply #327 on: February 18, 2021, 09:57:57 pm »
Sure...   boycotting is one thing.  Threatening is another.  What happened to them was closer to what the actress was talking about than what the average Republican is going through...  she’s a whack-a-doodle.

All I'm saying is that people who like the "she's facing the consequences of using her free speech" argument need to recognize that it applies whether they agree or disagree with what's been said.

I can understand Disney deciding to cut ties with Carano after this controversy. I can also understand country stations dropping the Dixie Chicks from their playlists in 2003, and NFL teams not wanting the hassle of Colin Kaepernick.

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« Reply #328 on: February 18, 2021, 10:55:20 pm »
All I'm saying is that people who like the "she's facing the consequences of using her free speech" argument need to recognize that it applies whether they agree or disagree with what's been said.

I can understand Disney deciding to cut ties with Carano after this controversy. I can also understand country stations dropping the Dixie Chicks from their playlists in 2003, and NFL teams not wanting the hassle of Colin Kaepernick.

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Well, yes...   

So...   that leaves us agreeing that whatever the stance, private companies and private individuals can do whatever they like. 

I think we’d also agree that some stances are right and som are wrong.   History will decide?

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« Reply #329 on: February 18, 2021, 11:02:33 pm »
Right and wrong are subjective.  After months of being yelled at by woketards on Twitter, I imagine Carano probably did feel like she was being persecuted.

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