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Offline kimmy

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« Reply #300 on: February 15, 2021, 11:05:31 pm »
They say we should never meet our heroes, and in the age of social media, we get to meet everybody, in a sense.

I take some solace in knowing she was fired for this and not the pronouns thing.

I'm curious to see whether she or Joss Whedon has the more difficult time finding work in the future.

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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #301 on: February 16, 2021, 06:34:03 am »
To be honest, I looked up the Tweet and thought that she wouldn't have been fired for Tweeting this as a Democrat.

In other words, the offense was inferred more than implied.  Fairly inferred, I suppose.  Am I crazy?  She was writing about the roots of hatred.

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« Reply #302 on: February 16, 2021, 09:06:28 am »
To be honest, I looked up the Tweet and thought that she wouldn't have been fired for Tweeting this as a Democrat.

In other words, the offense was inferred more than implied.  Fairly inferred, I suppose.  Am I crazy?  She was writing about the roots of hatred.
Sure. I can see how you might think that without the context of her repeatedly saying ridiculous things. This isn't a one-off, but rather the proverbial straw.

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« Reply #303 on: February 16, 2021, 09:27:38 am »
Sure. I can see how you might think that without the context of her repeatedly saying ridiculous things. This isn't a one-off, but rather the proverbial straw.

And that's fair.  People also have been telling me that she's been talking about persecution of Republicans, leading up to this. 

I wish the world would stop being so stupid.  You should have a license, signed by me, to be allowed to state your opinion online.
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« Reply #304 on: February 16, 2021, 09:42:12 am »
And that's fair.  People also have been telling me that she's been talking about persecution of Republicans, leading up to this. 

I wish the world would stop being so stupid.  You should have a license, signed by me, to be allowed to state your opinion online.
If there were valid points about Republican persecution being made, then that would be fair too. However, she's bought wholesale into conspiracy nonsense: e.g., wearing a mask is persecution, being vaccinated is persecution, controlling crowded indoor gatherings is persecution (i.e., church closures).

People not liking you or not agreeing with your regressive values and ideas is not persecution by any sense of the imagination, least of which is worth comparing to Nazi Germany for crying out loud. Have your political opinions. If people don't like it, that's their damn right.
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« Reply #305 on: February 16, 2021, 02:25:20 pm »
They say we should never meet our heroes, and in the age of social media, we get to meet everybody, in a sense.

I take some solace in knowing she was fired for this and not the pronouns thing.

I'm curious to see whether she or Joss Whedon has the more difficult time finding work in the future.

 -k

Well one of them is talented with a track record of making bank the other is a block of wood.

Not that Whedon *should* work again but money talks.

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« Reply #306 on: February 16, 2021, 05:36:55 pm »
If there were valid points about Republican persecution being made, then that would be fair too. However, she's bought wholesale into conspiracy nonsense: e.g., wearing a mask is persecution, being vaccinated is persecution, controlling crowded indoor gatherings is persecution (i.e., church closures).

People not liking you or not agreeing with your regressive values and ideas is not persecution by any sense of the imagination, least of which is worth comparing to Nazi Germany for crying out loud. Have your political opinions. If people don't like it, that's their damn right.
I think the market basically takes care of this whole issue.  If a company doesn't like your public opinions because it thinks they're doing harm to a company they can fire you.  If consumers don't like the decision Disney made they can voice their opinion or choose to not give them their business.  Disney is doing this for money and nothing else, and their consumers will vote if this was right or not with their dollars.

Kinda sucks for Disney because a lot of people wanted her fired and a lot of people also are defending her so either way they're screwed.
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« Reply #307 on: February 16, 2021, 06:37:08 pm »
I think the market basically takes care of this whole issue.  If a company doesn't like your public opinions because it thinks they're doing harm to a company they can fire you.  If consumers don't like the decision Disney made they can voice their opinion or choose to not give them their business.  Disney is doing this for money and nothing else, and their consumers will vote if this was right or not with their dollars.

Kinda sucks for Disney because a lot of people wanted her fired and a lot of people also are defending her so either way they're screwed.

Most people don’t give a sh!t as long as the show is entertaining.  But this guy had the most interesting take on it that I’ve read:

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/2/14/22280897/disney-firing-gina-carano-was-never-a-free-speech-issue-mandolarian-star-wars

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It was about this time last year when I got a call informing me that (redacted) could no longer use me as an independent contractor. I had worked for the person breaking this news to me for years and while he acknowledged I did good work and that he had asked to keep me on; the decision was made above him. It seems some things I had written did not sit well with the person controlling the purse strings. With that I was out of a job that I enjoyed and no longer working for someone I admired and working with people I was always happy to spend time with. I didn’t like the decision, but I wasn’t surprised.

You see, when I voiced my opinion more openly about the business side of mixed martial arts, I knew my words could have repercussions. I knew who signed the checks and I knew that eventually my opinions were going to get me in trouble. When I was let go, I said nothing because I understood that my firing — for a lack of a better term — was almost inevitable. I also knew the end of my run as an independent contractor with this organization had zero to do with free speech and more to do with speech having repercussions.

So what does my tale have to do with anything? Well, what happened to me is also what happened to Gina Carano. And like my example, Disney firing Carano has zero to do with free speech and everything to do with a company reaching a point where it decided it could no longer have a working relationship with someone.
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« Reply #308 on: February 16, 2021, 09:08:13 pm »
Well one of them is talented with a track record of making bank the other is a block of wood.

Not that Whedon *should* work again but money talks.

So was Harvey Weinstein.

Wheden's problems are probably just beginning.
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« Reply #309 on: February 17, 2021, 10:39:57 am »
I think the market basically takes care of this whole issue.  If a company doesn't like your public opinions because it thinks they're doing harm to a company they can fire you.  If consumers don't like the decision Disney made they can voice their opinion or choose to not give them their business.  Disney is doing this for money and nothing else, and their consumers will vote if this was right or not with their dollars.

Kinda sucks for Disney because a lot of people wanted her fired and a lot of people also are defending her so either way they're screwed.
OF course they're doing it for money. When your face and likeness is tied to their company because your visage is part of their most popular franchise at the moment, everything you say publicly becomes a reflection on the company. In an industry where image is everything, they absolutely are going to control their image.

This is the same **** we discussed years ago when a firefighter got fired on Twitter. I had argued then that if he wasn't wearing his uniform, there would be no connecting him to his employer and he wouldn't have been fired. However, the moment you make idiotic comments and you look like the face of a company or are tied to that company, then the company is going to do everything it needs to do to protect itself. If you're projecting an image that they feel is harmful to their profits, they're going to jump on the opportunity to make an example of you to correct the image. Branding, image, etc. are highly profitable. An retail industry executive and I were having coffee one day and I'll never forget something he said, "Everyone thinks Nike makes and sells shoes. Nike doesn't sell shoes. Hell, they don't even make their shoes. They hire outside contractors to do that. What Nike creates is a lifestyle through image and branding. That's their product, not the actual material goods." That's how important image is. So this is why athletes who **** up get tanked and the same goes here for Gina with Disney.

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« Reply #310 on: February 17, 2021, 01:54:51 pm »
So was Harvey Weinstein.

Wheden's problems are probably just beginning.

Wheadon is an ****, but no one to my knowledge has said he's a rapist.

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« Reply #311 on: February 17, 2021, 07:59:32 pm »
Wheadon is an ****, but no one to my knowledge has said he's a rapist.

If the allegations so far are true, this is probably the beginning.
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« Reply #312 on: February 18, 2021, 04:52:07 pm »
If the allegations so far are true, this is probably the beginning.

Yeah maybe, but the comparison with Weinstein is, at this point, off base.

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« Reply #313 on: February 18, 2021, 05:00:30 pm »
Yeah maybe, but the comparison with Weinstein is, at this point, off base.


I wasn't trying to compare Wheadon to Weinstein, just point out how these things have a habit of gaining momentum after the brake is released.
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« Reply #314 on: February 18, 2021, 06:52:33 pm »
They do.  And ... do we think that this may actually be helping Hollywood move to a better way ?

It just occurred to me now that so many vulnerable situations and so many lawyers and so many camera phones might scald the hedonistic beast into behaving.  But I have no idea, I am just asking.