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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #255 on: December 22, 2020, 06:06:48 pm »
Yeah, but... really who cares ? 

Do you feel the need to crowd into a topic where you are barely impacted ?  Are you like those Republican photos where a dozen smiling male legislators are signing somebody's reproductive rights away ?

I see it as "a right to not free speak where it's not needed"...

You were not impacted by the Jewish holocaust and black slavery in the US.  Anyone is allowed to have an opinion on anything.  Especially when people are suffering or dying.

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Are you like those Republican photos where a dozen smiling male legislators are signing somebody's reproductive rights away ?

Nobody should be shamed for having an opinion, especially on a topic as important as babies being killed.  Shame on you!  ;)

Progressive PC bully Michael is out in full force today.  Those social norms are great when we agree with them, aren't they?
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« Reply #256 on: December 22, 2020, 06:14:37 pm »
What comparable restrictions are there on men's bodies?

Men can't grow humans inside them.  So there are none.  Which I don't see how that's relevant.  It's obviously a complex issue in which both sides are justified.
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« Reply #257 on: December 22, 2020, 06:34:37 pm »
Women and gays hunt.  How about a topic like vasectomies?
I bet our grandfathers would wonder if you were gay asking about that, especially around the campfire after shootin' and killin' stuff.
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« Reply #258 on: December 22, 2020, 07:10:33 pm »
You were not impacted by the Jewish holocaust and black slavery in the US.  Anyone is allowed to have an opinion on anything.  Especially when people are suffering or dying.

How many times to I have to explain that I'm not saying people aren't "allowed" to...

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« Reply #259 on: December 22, 2020, 07:18:32 pm »
How many times to I have to explain that I'm not saying people aren't "allowed" to...

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And yet you shame them.
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« Reply #260 on: December 22, 2020, 08:33:07 pm »
And yet you shame them.

Yes they are allowed to incur my shame.
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« Reply #261 on: December 23, 2020, 10:39:08 am »
Yes they are allowed to incur my shame.

I'm shaming your shame.  This is called shame shame.
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« Reply #262 on: December 23, 2020, 10:44:45 am »
I'm shaming your shame.  This is called shame shame.

I know people online who are against shaming.  Like you, they shame in other ways.

Show me a society that worked without a moral sphere.  I'll wait, suspended in cyberspace here.

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« Reply #263 on: December 23, 2020, 10:52:57 am »
I know people online who are against shaming.  Like you, they shame in other ways.

Show me a society that worked without a moral sphere.  I'll wait, suspended in cyberspace here.

It's perfectly ok to be moral, it is necessary for society to function well.  The question is how do we treat those we disagree with?

Shame is perfectly fine IMO, it's simply speech in reaction to other speech, everyone has a right to their opinion.  But then it gets messier when there is cancel culture, and people are denied or lose jobs simply for opinions.  This is legal (i think), since an employee is representing a company and people thinking negatively of an employee because of their opinion can negatively impact business/PR of a company.
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« Reply #264 on: December 23, 2020, 11:00:03 am »
I know people online who are against shaming.  Like you, they shame in other ways.

I think this is shame shame shame.   :P
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« Reply #265 on: December 23, 2020, 11:05:48 am »
Show me a society that worked without a moral sphere.  I'll wait, suspended in cyberspace here.
Every society that's collapsed had one too. Morals don't provide a guarantee.

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« Reply #266 on: December 23, 2020, 11:05:54 am »
1.  The question is how do we treat those we disagree with?

2. Shame is perfectly fine IMO, it's simply speech in reaction to other speech, everyone has a right to their opinion.  But then it gets messier when there is cancel culture, and people are denied or lose jobs simply for opinions. 

3. This is legal (i think), since an employee is representing a company and people thinking negatively of an employee because of their opinion can negatively impact business/PR of a company.
1. We 'moralize'. 
2. Why draw the line at 'jobs' ?  How about being exiled, or shunned... or denied social currency ?  The Communist Blacklist would isolate people socially.  I think that's terrible but it did happen and on a different level it has happened innumerable times before or since.
3. Yes, it's legal and understandable in a lot of ways. 

But we're drifting.  You didn't provide me an example of a society that functions without a moral centre, and without moralizing.  Calls for patriotism, loyalty and so on. 

My urging is that people pick up their socks, with respect to their duties in public debate and discussion.   Argue honestly, stop exaggerating problems, stay out of things that don't impact you.  Things like that...

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It relates to the fact that trans rights have rocketed to the top of the outrage list for readers of The Sun and The Rebel who are hungry for angertainment.


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Re: The Progressive Thread!
« Reply #267 on: December 23, 2020, 11:06:18 am »
Every society that's collapsed had one too. Morals don't provide a guarantee.

"Had one" ... get it ?

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« Reply #268 on: December 23, 2020, 11:06:50 am »
Every society that's collapsed had one too. Morals don't provide a guarantee.

Rome had a strong one.  By the end Caligula or somebody married his horse.

Trump would marry his horse.

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« Reply #269 on: December 23, 2020, 11:12:01 am »
Show me a society that worked without a moral sphere.  I'll wait, suspended in cyberspace here.

Who has claimed otherwise?