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Offline MH

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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2021, 05:24:51 pm »
Yes? Contrary to the article in the OP, it's actually not that hard to find good art made by people who aren't creeps!

Very lucky for you to never have to deal with a moral quandry. 

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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2021, 07:00:40 pm »
Very lucky for you to never have to deal with a moral quandry.

It's an interesting question though.  What does an artist have to do?  I never liked Woody Allen much anyway, so it's no example for me.  But what if I found out Neil Young was a monster?  What would it do to "Like a Hurricane"?  Not much, I think.

But there was a musician a few years back who went to jail for raping babies.  I never heard his music, but if I had, and I had liked it, would I still?  I don't know.

I quite like Hitler's paintings.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2021, 08:13:08 pm »
It's an interesting question though.  What does an artist have to do?  I never liked Woody Allen much anyway, so it's no example for me.  But what if I found out Neil Young was a monster?  What would it do to "Like a Hurricane"?  Not much, I think.

But there was a musician a few years back who went to jail for raping babies.  I never heard his music, but if I had, and I had liked it, would I still?  I don't know.

I quite like Hitler's paintings.

Well... the answer is... for me... "I don't know"

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2021, 10:48:54 pm »
I'm fine with a consumer not wanting to support someone financially if they're a douche.  But even people who do bad things are still human beings, and art is an expression of someone's humanity, so I think you can choose to not support them financially while still enjoying their art if you happen to witness it.  It's acceptable for people to be punished for their actions but they shouldn't be hated and written off as human beings.
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2021, 01:14:19 pm »
Cancel culture: the attitude that if someone is saying stuff that offends us, we need to find some way to shut them up.

The name "cancel culture" is new, but cancel culture isn't new at all. It's very old, and for most of history has been the domain of conservatives and reactionaries, not progressives.


One recent victim of cancel culture: Alex Jones.  Progressives don't mention him as a victim of cancel culture, because they say cancel culture isn't real.  And conservatives don't mention Jones as a victim of cancel culture, because if they did it would make people say "maybe cancel culture isn't so bad!"  But clearly, Alex Jones has been "cancelled", and it's hard to see any downside to that.  Alex Jones had nothing worthwhile to offer.  His continued presence in the realm of ideas made society objectively worse.   Maybe cancel culture can be good after all.

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2021, 01:28:02 pm »
Cancel culture: the attitude that if someone is saying stuff that offends us, we need to find some way to shut them up.

The name "cancel culture" is new, but cancel culture isn't new at all. It's very old, and for most of history has been the domain of conservatives and reactionaries, not progressives.


One recent victim of cancel culture: Alex Jones.  Progressives don't mention him as a victim of cancel culture, because they say cancel culture isn't real.  And conservatives don't mention Jones as a victim of cancel culture, because if they did it would make people say "maybe cancel culture isn't so bad!"  But clearly, Alex Jones has been "cancelled", and it's hard to see any downside to that.  Alex Jones had nothing worthwhile to offer.  His continued presence in the realm of ideas made society objectively worse.   Maybe cancel culture can be good after all.

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It is good to cancel people with extremist and dangerous views who are hurting people. 

The problem becomes when the SJWs (using an example from the left...  my peeps, supposedly) want to cancel anyone who disagrees with them, even when those people have moderate, generally mainstream views that are not harmful.  They forget people are allowed to disagree.

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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2021, 05:41:18 pm »
One recent victim of cancel culture: Alex Jones.  Progressives don't mention him as a victim of cancel culture, because they say cancel culture isn't real.  And conservatives don't mention Jones as a victim of cancel culture, because if they did it would make people say "maybe cancel culture isn't so bad!"  But clearly, Alex Jones has been "cancelled", and it's hard to see any downside to that.  Alex Jones had nothing worthwhile to offer.  His continued presence in the realm of ideas made society objectively worse.   Maybe cancel culture can be good after all.

Alex Jones is a really stupid human being.  The sad thing is he seems like a lot of these uneducated right-leaning Americans.

The American flag should have Jones' face on it.  Cancel America?
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2021, 05:47:28 pm »
It is good to cancel people with extremist and dangerous views who are hurting people. 

The problem becomes when the SJWs (using an example from the left...  my peeps, supposedly) want to cancel anyone who disagrees with them, even when those people have moderate, generally mainstream views that are not harmful.  They forget people are allowed to disagree.

Private companies don't have an obligation to broadcast or support somebody's views/behaviour.  We can all agree or disagree on whether a certain person should be cancelled, but not on the right of companies to cancel them.  I have faith that over time capitalism will tell companies if what they're doing is right or not, so in a way society is self-regulating.

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2021, 09:24:41 am »
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2021, 11:56:34 am »
It is good to cancel people with extremist and dangerous views who are hurting people. 

The problem becomes when the SJWs (using an example from the left...  my peeps, supposedly) want to cancel anyone who disagrees with them, even when those people have moderate, generally mainstream views that are not harmful.  They forget people are allowed to disagree.

Can you cite any examples of this phenomenon?