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« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2020, 03:42:48 pm »
First, your contention that Rowling's views are right-wing is pretty asinine.

I didn't characterize her views - you inferred that.

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Second, can you name any left-leaning speakers who have been canceled?

Bill Maher was cancelled for calling the 911 hijackers brave.  Kathy Griffin was cancelled for making a violent and tasteless joke about the president.  The Dixie Chicks were cancelled for disparaging the president.  There are other examples too.
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« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2020, 03:47:21 pm »
No one is saying everyone should read her books.  What the mob wants is for her not to be allowed to write her books because they don't like her views.  Or they don't want her to be allowed to speak/twitter or whatever.   HUGE difference.

I haven't seen that, but if true, I don't agree with censoring.  I don't think she's crossed the line into hate speech. 


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« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2020, 04:00:06 pm »
1. No.  They hide behind their handles when posting objectionable things.  Maya Forstater didn't, though.  So she got fired.
2. Why ?  Is there any way to characterize the scale of what is happening, objectively ?  Or is this the kind of thing where if it happens one single time it should be front page news ?

1. I read the ruling. Very sad.
2. Yes, the Forstater ruling is a perfect example of what is happening. objectively.
 


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« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2020, 04:09:41 pm »
This is very much like the obfuscating 'free speech' with 'free from repercussions of public perception'.

She's free to say whatever she likes.  People are free to not read her books just as much.

She isn't free to say whatever she likes, you said so yourself with your own reluctance to say what you think on Twitter.

This idea that anonymous Twits can get people fired, cancelled whatever is a new phenomena and a disturbing one. It was a very difficult thing to do before the internet and social media.
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« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2020, 04:15:46 pm »
She isn't free to say whatever she likes, you said so yourself with your own reluctance to say what you think on Twitter.

This idea that anonymous Twits can get people fired, cancelled whatever is a new phenomena and a disturbing one. It was a very difficult thing to do before the internet and social media.


Being free to do something and being reluctant to do it are two different things.

Like I said, I also chose not express my opinions about Nancy Pelosi's maskless blowout.  It speaks more about my passivity and the medium of social media than it does my *freedom* to engage in controversial opinions.

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« Reply #65 on: September 15, 2020, 04:41:56 pm »

Being free to do something and being reluctant to do it are two different things.

Like I said, I also chose not express my opinions about Nancy Pelosi's maskless blowout.  It speaks more about my passivity and the medium of social media than it does my *freedom* to engage in controversial opinions.

Your freedom comes at a high price if it has to be subjected to a bunch of abusive anonymous assholes.
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« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2020, 04:52:39 pm »
Your freedom comes at a high price if it has to be subjected to a bunch of abusive anonymous assholes.

Welcome to the internet era, anonymity will do that.  People say things online that they would never do in person, but for good or bad, this is how social media works and it's our new reality.

People have the *freedom* to a) not engage in social media.  b)  abstain from controversial opinions on social media.  c) battle it out if they have the energy.

It's not going to go away though, so complaining about it is futile.


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« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2020, 05:01:58 pm »
Welcome to the internet era, anonymity will do that.  People say things online that they would never do in person, but for good or bad, this is how social media works and it's our new reality.

People have the *freedom* to a) not engage in social media.  b)  abstain from controversial opinions on social media.  c) battle it out if they have the energy.

It's not going to go away though, so complaining about it is futile.

That's why I'm not on Twitter or Facebook.
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« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2020, 05:04:50 pm »
That's why I'm not on Twitter or Facebook.

I can appreciate that.  I'm b) I abstain from controversial opinions.  When I was younger I would be c) but I don't have the energy anymore.

This forum is as combative as I get. 

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« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2020, 05:36:00 pm »
1. I read the ruling. Very sad.
2. Yes, the Forstater ruling is a perfect example of what is happening. objectively.

I don't think I agree.  People are fired for objectionable comments constantly.

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« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2020, 05:37:03 pm »
She isn't free to say whatever she likes, you said so yourself with your own reluctance to say what you think on Twitter.

This idea that anonymous Twits can get people fired, cancelled whatever is a new phenomena and a disturbing one.

It's not new at all.

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« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2020, 05:39:45 pm »
I can appreciate that.  I'm b) I abstain from controversial opinions.  When I was younger I would be c) but I don't have the energy anymore.

This forum is as combative as I get.

What isn't controversial these days?
Same here, it's been almost two years since I posted on MLW.
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« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2020, 05:41:15 pm »
It's not new at all.

Sure is.

People had to write letters to the editor and be interviewed in person before the internet and social media.
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« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2020, 05:43:59 pm »
Sure is.

People had to write letters to the editor and be interviewed in person before the internet and social media.
How about the examples I cited?  The Dixie Chicks?  Were people complaining on the internet?

What about people who expressed PRIVATE political views, that got fired?

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« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2020, 05:53:51 pm »
How about the examples I cited?  The Dixie Chicks?  Were people complaining on the internet?


Probably, it was 2003 after all.

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What about people who expressed PRIVATE political views, that got fired?

What about them? Who did they express those "PRIVATE" views too?
Were they harassed on the internet because of those views?
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