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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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« Reply #285 on: December 23, 2020, 02:07:48 pm »
1. I agree with what you've saying, but there can still be ANGERTAINMENT within the playing field that you have accurately laid out.
2. I also agree with this, and the overall discussion is something that I think everyone is impacted by.  I just don't see why readers of the Sun would feel the need to jump in on stories about, say, the Australian women's track team.  I don't buy that they have some elevated level of fairness. 
3. It's reactionary busybody work AFAICS.

1.  Yes agreed.

2.  I would assume people think that gender issues that affect in one english-speaking commonwealth country will often affect another eventually.

3.  Stop worrying about the Jewish holocaust you busybody.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.

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« Reply #286 on: December 23, 2020, 02:09:42 pm »
Strawman.  There is no system where somebody can be fired so-called at-will.

49 U.S. states are "at-will employment states," most with a few exceptions. Eight of those states- Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, Nebraska, Maine, New York, and Rhode Island-allow employers to fire employees for no reason, with no warning, and without having to establish just cause. Almost 75% of U.S. workers can be shitcanned for absolutely no reason at all.


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« Reply #287 on: December 23, 2020, 02:23:37 pm »
1.  I would assume people think that gender issues that affect in one english-speaking commonwealth country will often affect another eventually.

3.  Stop worrying about the Jewish holocaust you busybody.
1. Maybe.  People are into all kinds of weird things.  I'm listening to a podcast of a New York football fan who somehow fell in love with the CFL.  But there's too much distraction and entertainment in politics.  To be honest, if the parties just said "enough of this we're going to allow private groups to apply to the supreme court from now on and set policy that way" then maybe the toxicity in so-called progressive politics would dissipate.

3. Worrying about it ?  How do you worry about something that happened ?  I worry about racism because that affects me.  I don't worry about whether the Mosque on the corner is using a different dialect for their sermons but I do worry if they're preaching antisemitism.  I don't worry about whether ladies' change rooms are making everyone towel up because of transgender issues... they don't need to hear from me.
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« Reply #288 on: December 23, 2020, 03:04:52 pm »
Strawman.  There is no system where somebody can be fired so-called at-will.
Ha ha ha ha...

You should try commercial fishing for awhile, it happens all the time. New skippers often bring old crews. I've never seen tears being shed over it...they'd probably just get you laughed off the dock.

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« Reply #289 on: December 23, 2020, 03:10:47 pm »
Ha ha ha ha...

You should try commercial fishing for awhile, it happens all the time. New skippers often bring old crews. I've never seen tears being shed over it...they'd probably just get you laughed off the dock.

An employer actually does have the right to fire an employee for any reason, unless it is for one of the protected reasons in the Charter (gender, race, etc).  They just need to provide them with proper severance.  However, if it’s unionized, then it would fall under the collective agreement.

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« Reply #290 on: December 23, 2020, 03:24:08 pm »
An employer actually does have the right to fire an employee for any reason, unless it is for one of the protected reasons in the Charter (gender, race, etc).  They just need to provide them with proper severance.  However, if it’s unionized, then it would fall under the collective agreement.

There's exceptions like contracts and tenure appointments for example. But if your Joe Pipefitter and you make a Facebook post where you use the n-word...good luck dude.
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« Reply #291 on: December 23, 2020, 03:32:43 pm »
An employer actually does have the right to fire an employee for any reason, unless it is for one of the protected reasons in the Charter (gender, race, etc).  They just need to provide them with proper severance.  However, if it’s unionized, then it would fall under the collective agreement.
I've seen cases where hired skippers replace the entire crew in a matter of hours.   That sort of pagan ethos is just as often what some owners look for in a skipper.  Unionized fishermen are just about extinct on the coast near as I can tell.  You should see what happens when an owner transfers his quota onto another boat. Jobs and opportunities just evaporate like that.  Used to be we just had trollers and gill-netters rotting away at the dock but now we have trawlers with 20 years of life in them rusting away with nowhere to go and nothing to do.  It's not technological change its simple expropriation. 

There's a reason why some economists regard fishing communities as being just like canaries in a coal mine. As their little fishing economies go so go the larger economy they're embedded in.  There's lots of little drinking villages with a fishing problem all over the world now.  Rights, rights to what exactly?

As for gender in the fishing industry, I had a deckhand who wasn't even allowed to help tie up a boat when she started out as a shore-worker.

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« Reply #292 on: December 26, 2020, 01:22:01 pm »
Shady, did I clear up your confusion?   Where did you go???

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So it is still a RIGHT whether or not a doctor is there to perform it.

See where your confusion lies now?

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« Reply #293 on: December 31, 2020, 06:22:27 pm »
Ha ha ha ha...

You should try commercial fishing for awhile, it happens all the time. New skippers often bring old crews. I've never seen tears being shed over it...they'd probably just get you laughed off the dock.
Then they’d have legal grounds for a wrongful dismissal lawsuit.

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« Reply #294 on: December 31, 2020, 06:29:49 pm »
Then they’d have legal grounds for a wrongful dismissal lawsuit.
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« Reply #295 on: December 31, 2020, 07:31:09 pm »
Then they’d have legal grounds for a wrongful dismissal lawsuit.


LOL

I don’t think you’d make it fishing...  mention “wrongful dismissal” and find yourself thrown off the wharf!!

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« Reply #296 on: December 31, 2020, 08:12:36 pm »
;D
It seems like almost everyone in this forum is dumb as bricks.  I guess echo chambers tend to do that to people.

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/labour-standards/reports/unjust-dismissal.html
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« Reply #297 on: December 31, 2020, 09:18:41 pm »
It seems like almost everyone in this forum is dumb as bricks.  I guess echo chambers tend to do that to people.

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/labour-standards/reports/unjust-dismissal.html


Hahahaha
 ‘Wrongful dismissal’ lawsuits in the fishing industry...   enjoy your swim little boy!! 

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« Reply #298 on: December 31, 2020, 10:20:18 pm »
It seems like almost everyone in this forum is dumb as bricks.  I guess echo chambers tend to do that to people.
You suddenly seem to live in some weird world where everything is unicorns and lollipops where governments tell the truth and everyone wins just for participating. Trying to make a point on the basis of some principle you've never given a **** about in the past probably explains why you're cocking up so badly at trying to appear progressive.

Until recently at least I don't recall you crying to many crocodile tears over people losing their livelihoods to things like offshore out-sourcing - I recall an attitude that was more along the lines of suggesting lazy overpaid workers start putting in longer hours for less along with relaxing environmental regulations in the name of competitiveness.

You'd probably make a really lousy fisherman but I suspect you'd be a natural born fisheries official or a lobbyist for some big fishing company.
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