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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #285 on: February 25, 2018, 02:52:48 pm »
So all the Canada Day face-painted are most probably not liberals then?

Ask one of those idiots what's great about Canada and he'll give you a blank look, and then spout Liberal party slogans about tolerance and multiculturalism. Ask them about Canada's history and they'll tell you we murdered natives and stole their land, and then hang their heads in shame.

They're not patriots. They're simply caught up in jingoistic celebrations.
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« Reply #286 on: February 25, 2018, 02:53:46 pm »
Is is my experience that conservatives spends about 10 times the effort whining about how horrible the county is

No, they spend their time complaining about how horrible the government is.

You Liberals have never gotten it clear in your minds that government is not the country and the country is not the government.
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« Reply #287 on: February 25, 2018, 03:06:40 pm »
They clearly don't give a **** about Canada's traditions, culture or values, aren't interested in its defense or independence, adore the idea of flooding it with people with hostile cultures and values and encouraging them to retain them, care nothing for its companies being sold off to enemies like China, put little effort into combating Russian and Chinese computer hacking or into how China manipulates its diaspora here, and sneer at anyone who thinks there is something valuable here worth saving. Idiots like Impact suggest we all leave, that we don't even belong here because the entire geographic territory belongs to the people whose ancestors were natives here when we arrived, and he and the rest revel in putting down Canada as much as possible. That includes Trudeau, who took the occasion of a speech to the United Nations to tell the world what a shithole of racism and oppression Canada is and how our ancestors did nothing but butcher and murder everyone around them.

To call them patriotic is laughable. They're the people who equate patriotism with racism.

If everyone in Canada that you despised were to suddenly disappear, who would be left?  Just a few white supremacist types, I'm guessing.


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« Reply #288 on: February 25, 2018, 03:09:28 pm »
No, they spend their time complaining about how horrible the government is.

You Liberals have never gotten it clear in your minds that government is not the country and the country is not the government.

I don't recall you whining too much when Harper was adding billions to the deficit. How come?

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« Reply #289 on: February 25, 2018, 03:15:56 pm »
Nowhere in those resources, or in any others that I looked at, did I see any mention of jails, Hitler, Nazis, or what a terrible country Canada is.  What I saw was history, based on facts (news stories, legislation, personal stories), of what the Canadian Government did in its efforts to 'civilize and Christianize' Indians and the effects this had on First Nations.  If you think I'm wrong, then feel free to find and post what I've missed.
Great. Sounds like they are, in theory, doing what I want them to do. I am only responding to the rhetoric that I hear in the media and online which makes me doubt things are that nuanced in and actual class.

To put it another way: here are *teachers* claiming that John A committed "genocide":
https://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/7515350-teachers-call-for-pickering-s-sir-john-a-macdonald-school-to-be-renamed-saying-canada-s-first-pm-committed-genocide-/

Are you really going to argue that teachers that say this kind of crap in public are going to care about the nuance in the teaching guidelines?
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« Reply #290 on: February 25, 2018, 03:48:22 pm »
Great. Sounds like they are, in theory, doing what I want them to do. I am only responding to the rhetoric that I hear in the media and online which makes me doubt things are that nuanced in and actual class.

Actually what it sounds like you want them to do is gloss over the significance of these issues because, well, it was the times back then, or, they meant well with residential schools while kids were being physically as well as sexually assaulted.

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« Reply #291 on: February 25, 2018, 05:56:57 pm »

Are you really going to argue that teachers that say this kind of crap in public are going to care about the nuance in the teaching guidelines?

Are you really going to argue that those teachers represent all teachers?   

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« Reply #292 on: February 25, 2018, 07:25:03 pm »
Are you really going to argue that those teachers represent all teachers?
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The Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario (ETFO) has approved a motion calling on school boards across the province to rename schools bearing the name of Canada’s first prime minister.
While there may be individual teachers with the willingness to teach the curriculum according to the guidelines you provided. However, a union representing teachers in Canada's largest province has publicly announced that they want nothing to do with teaching nuanced history and instead prefer radical left revisionism. At what point will you concede that I have good reason to be concerned and that simply pointing to the curriculum that may or may not be followed by individual teachers in BC is not enough to allay those concerns? Are you really going to argue that we have nothing to worry about as long there is one teacher somewhere teaching the material with the balance it deserves?
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« Reply #293 on: February 26, 2018, 08:02:03 am »
You are right, all property owners should be paying taxes to the native Canadians and that land should be subject to expropriation when the natives feel it is necessary.

This assumes that natives once were the original land occupiers of Canada.  This is a bit an inaccurate narrative. Firstly, there was no bordered polity of Canada before Europeans, North America was mostly vast uninhabited lands with some native clans spattered here and there.  Consider the aboriginal population in what is now Canada prior to Columbus was estimated at under 1 million, which is less than the Canadian aboriginal pop. today.  Aboriginals can't claim ownership of land they never occupied, controlled, or even saw or set foot on, which is the vast majority of Canada.  If a French explorer set up shop on some land in the middle of nowhere with no native activity for hundreds of km & aboriginals said "hey that's mine", well actually no it isn't, just like another clan could have moved in there.

If it's treaty land or land they once occupied & we took, then yes they have a valid point.
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« Reply #294 on: February 26, 2018, 08:36:51 am »
Aboriginals can't claim ownership of land they never occupied, controlled, or even saw or set foot on, which is the vast majority of Canada.

You mean their farmland where they raised the buffalo for food?
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« Reply #295 on: February 26, 2018, 08:38:48 am »
You mean their farmland where they raised the buffalo for food?
You mean it didn't belong to the Ukrainians they imported en masse to push the indigenous people off their traditional hunting grounds?
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« Reply #296 on: February 26, 2018, 09:39:12 am »
If everyone in Canada that you despised were to suddenly disappear, who would be left?

Smart people. Which means you'd be gone, along with most of the other brainless leftists on this site.
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« Reply #297 on: February 26, 2018, 09:39:53 am »
I don't recall you whining too much when Harper was adding billions to the deficit. How come?

I complained ten times more, a hundred times more about Harper policies than you ever have or ever will about Liberal policies.
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« Reply #298 on: February 26, 2018, 11:20:26 am »
Smart people. Which means you'd be gone, along with most of the other brainless leftists on this site.

Awww, poor little conservative snowflake.  Pontificates about "acceptance" and how important it is and has a meltdown whenever his own extreme lack of tolerance is noticed.

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« Reply #299 on: February 26, 2018, 11:30:18 am »
Awww, poor little conservative snowflake.  Pontificates about "acceptance" and how important it is and has a meltdown whenever his own extreme lack of tolerancr is noticed.

Meltdown? You asked who would be left in my perfect world and I answered. Smart people. Clearly and logically that excludes you and other brainless ideologues of the far left.
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