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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #75 on: November 19, 2018, 02:29:54 am »
I loved Stan Lees work.   And I enjoy Bill Maher.   Did he disparage the man a bit too soon after he died?  Id say yes.   This joke might be funnier in a couple years.  I think its a bit of a flop now though.

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« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2018, 11:27:50 am »
I loved Stan Lees work.   And I enjoy Bill Maher.   Did he disparage the man a bit too soon after he died?
I don't think the timing had anything to do with it. I think it was the content of what he said.

The timing just made more people notice.
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Id say yes.   This joke might be funnier in a couple years.  I think its a bit of a flop now though.
Thing is, i don't think what he said was meant to be humorous. I think it was meant as a serious statement about his thoughts on comic books and their impact on culture.

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« Reply #77 on: December 01, 2018, 03:41:32 pm »
Diversity in the superhero movie genre continues to explode!

In 2016, Harley Quinn and The Joker put Clown-Americans in the spotlight and may have even helped Donald Trump become the first Clown-American President.

In 2017, Wonder Woman was a massive hit, and so were **** Hats, the Women's March, and tearing down Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby.

In 2018, Black Panther put a black hero in the spotlight and became one of the most successful movies ever.  Then Ant-Man And The Wasp put little-people in the starring role, for the first time since the Ewoks fought the Empire in Return Of The Jedi.

And later this month another huge step forward for diversity, as Aquaman arrives in theatres!  Finally a movie about fish-people, by fish-people, for fish people! It's amazing that this hasn't happened sooner, but it's happening now. And it is past time.

Of course this comes hot on the heels of last year's fish-people romance movie, "The Shape Of Water", but while that was a small release critically acclaimed art movie, this is a big budget blockbuster that will really bring the lives and stories of fish-people to the masses.

Jason Momoa stars as Aquaman.  He is best remembered as Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones, as well as starring in a Conan movie a few years back, as well as this gif of course:



And yes, as the gif says, "dis gon be gud."

While Aquaman always seemed like the most weak-ass of the Superfriends, a guy whose powers were really pretty useless unless crimes were being committed near aquariums or on boats, one can be sure that with Jason Momoa in the title role, this is not going to be some wimpy loser.   People who have seen early screenings are loving it:

"Its unabashedly melodramatic and over the top with the largest, most ambitious sense of scale imaginable."

"Its so inherently bonkers that youd have to be an utter killjoy to not get caught up in it."

"Its a good adventure movie that acknowledges exactly what it is from the start, which is a meal made almost entirely of ham."

"Ambitious, campy and so much fun."

"It is a relentless visual spectacle that knows what it is and doesnt hold back."

Earlier I was thinking I was going to give this a miss, but from the sound of it this is exactly the movie I need right now.

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« Reply #78 on: March 10, 2019, 03:04:50 pm »
All of the current run of Marvel/Disney "MCU" movies are hits, the only question is "how big?"   They come in different grades.  "Pretty big", such as Doctor Strange or Ant Man. "Big", like Thor or Captain America, "Huge" like Guardians of the Galaxy or Iron Man, and "Incredibly gigantic" like Black Panther and the Avengers movies.

The latest entry, Captain Marvel, looks on pace to chart somewhere towards the high end of "huge", but not quite in the "incredibly gigantic" range.

That's not a huge shock... Wonder Woman proved a couple of years ago that a female-led superhero movie could make money. And positioned as a lead-in to the upcoming Avengers movie, Captain Marvel had a built-in advantage that made it almost unavoidable that it would be a success.

But that didn't keep some folks from trying!

Over 58,000 user reviews were posted on Rotten Tomatoes within hours of Captain Marvel's opening Friday.  That number seems suspiciously high, because Avengers: Infinity War, among the biggest box office hits ever, didn't get 58,000 user reviews during its whole theatrical release. The CinemaScore rating-- exit polling of people who actually saw the movie-- gave it an "A" rating.  The high number of negative reviews has been attributed to a concerted effort by alt-right trolls, GamerGaters, and similar misogynists who don't like the idea of a sci-fi movie with strong female presence, non-white heroes, or anything else they consider "Social justice warrior bullshit".  Similar movements happened around Black Panther,  Mad Max: Fury Road, and Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

Rotten Tomatoes has removed thousands of reviews they deemed fake, which has the embittered troll community crying "censorship!"


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« Reply #79 on: March 10, 2019, 10:41:54 pm »
Captain Marvel is a shitty comic character. But Wonder Woman was a hit so omg Disney says they need a female flick. All the best female characters for Marvel are in the X-Men, but Sony owns the rights to those. A Storm movie would be cool, that character was pretty terrible in the movies, needs a reboot.  I always felt Spider-Woman was under-rated.



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« Reply #80 on: March 11, 2019, 06:55:13 am »
Weird. Captain Marvel got mediocre reviews, though generally positive. I couldn't be less excited for superhero films now though. The market is thoroughly oversaturated.
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« Reply #81 on: March 11, 2019, 10:35:12 am »
Weird. Captain Marvel got mediocre reviews, though generally positive.

It's not weird at all... the Gamergaters and Trumptards and 4chan turds absolutely hate that this movie exists, and organized online brigades to try to impact the reviews, spread negative rumors, and so on.  "The SJWs are taking over everything!" "The SJWs are ruining my comic books!"  "Soon you won't even be able to see a white male on TV or in a movie!"

I had a quick look at the Reddit gamergate board, and they're pretty **** livid over Captain Marvel.  They're now floating conspiracy theories as to how a movie that they knew would be a bomb made a half billion dollars in 3 days.

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« Reply #82 on: March 11, 2019, 10:52:37 am »
It's not weird at all... the Gamergaters and Trumptards and 4chan turds absolutely hate that this movie exists, and organized online brigades to try to impact the reviews, spread negative rumors, and so on.  "The SJWs are taking over everything!" "The SJWs are ruining my comic books!"  "Soon you won't even be able to see a white male on TV or in a movie!"
I hate preachy self indulgent movies but I fail to see what the issue is with these movies this crowd keeps whinging about. My pet peeve with diversity in Hollywood is notion that diversity means black/hispanic.  I would rather see a lot more east indian and east asian actors in hollywood films outside side of sterotyped roles (east asian, not just Chinese).

That said, I am more disturbed by the content designed to pander to Chinese censors. We don't need movies where anyone except the Chinese government can be the bad guy.


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« Reply #83 on: March 11, 2019, 07:33:22 pm »
Weird. Captain Marvel got mediocre reviews, though generally positive. I couldn't be less excited for superhero films now though. The market is thoroughly oversaturated.

I think I was most excited for Superman starring Christopher Reeve and maybe the first Batman.  Overall they were satisfying but not classics.  I maybe liked the first Christian Bale Batman too. 

When you think about it, there's not much of a surprise from one of these pictures.
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« Reply #84 on: March 11, 2019, 08:35:19 pm »
It's not weird at all... the Gamergaters and Trumptards and 4chan turds absolutely hate that this movie exists, and organized online brigades to try to impact the reviews, spread negative rumors, and so on.  "The SJWs are taking over everything!" "The SJWs are ruining my comic books!"  "Soon you won't even be able to see a white male on TV or in a movie!"

I had a quick look at the Reddit gamergate board, and they're pretty **** livid over Captain Marvel.  They're now floating conspiracy theories as to how a movie that they knew would be a bomb made a half billion dollars in 3 days.

It's pretty weird c'mon Kimmy.  Not sure how this movie did so well at the box office.  Wonder Woman had 103 mil opening, and that looked way better, wtf? Consider that most comic fans don't give much of a rip about this character, and the vast majority of the public have never heard of this character, and the trailers didn't look that hot, the reviews were good but not great, and Brie Larson isn't exactly Jennifer Lawrence at the box office.

Maybe lots of gals wanted to see this, given the controversy, and bf was happy enough gf wanted to see a superhero flick?
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« Reply #85 on: March 12, 2019, 12:24:12 am »
It's pretty weird c'mon Kimmy.  Not sure how this movie did so well at the box office. 

It's a Marvel movie, and it's the lead-in to the conclusion of "Infinity War". They could hardly have missed.

Wonder Woman had 103 mil opening, and that looked way better, wtf?

From what I'm reading from non-troll sources, I get the impression that WW is a much better movie. But the DC movies don't have nearly the following that the Marvel movies do, and most of the DC movies have been pretty bad. Wonder Woman was the first genuine hit for the DC movies.

One thing that set WW apart from most movies is that it just kept going and going at the box office ("Wonder Woman has amazing legs", I think somebody phrased it...)  For most movies they usually expect the final box office to be somewhere around 2.5 to 3 times the opening weekend (us Hollywood types call that the "multiplier".)  For Black Panther it was more like 3.5, which is really good.  For Wonder Woman, it was 4, which is great. (Crazy Rich Asians: about 6, which is huge.)  Despite a great start, it's not a given that Captain Marvel finishes ahead of Wonder Woman in the long run.   DC movies like Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad had much better starts than Wonderwoman, but business died off quickly (multipliers about 2.0) because the movies were crappy and word-of-mouth was bad ...if Captain Marvel has a typical multiplier of 2.5ish, it could finish with domestic gross somewhere around $375 million, which would fall short of WW.

Consider that most comic fans don't give much of a rip about this character, and the vast majority of the public have never heard of this character,

Same could be said of Guardians of the Galaxy or Black Panther.  The thing is, if comic book fans were the only ones who went to these movies, these movies would have gone extinct years ago because the studios wouldn't make any money on them.

If it was fame with the general public that set the benchmark for which comic book movies were most successful, the runaway leaders would probably be Batman, Superman, Spiderman, and the Incredible Hulk.  The first three of those characters had successful movies in previous incarnations, but their recent movies have had middling success at best-- the Spiderman "Homecoming" movie did pretty good, but not near the top of the Marvel brand. The Incredible Hulk is well known, but none of the Hulk movies were successful.

and the trailers didn't look that hot, the reviews were good but not great, and Brie Larson isn't exactly Jennifer Lawrence at the box office.

Neither is Chadwick Boseman...

Maybe lots of gals wanted to see this, given the controversy, and bf was happy enough gf wanted to see a superhero flick?

I think people are going to see this because it's the lead-in to the conclusion of the "Infinity War" story.

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« Reply #86 on: March 12, 2019, 12:29:08 am »
Not really a movie, but Rex Kramer has to be on this list for obvious reasons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwk6r8TJD2U

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« Reply #87 on: March 12, 2019, 10:14:26 am »
It's interesting that there is a Shazam movie coming out this year as well, considering he was the original Captain Marvel. He was in Whiz Comics, owned by Fawcett. DC sued them, claiming Captain Marvel was too much like Superman and Fawcett stopped publishing it. The copyright on the name lapsed and Marvel swooped in to claim it. DC wound up with the rights to the old Fawcett characters but they have to call Captain Marvel "Shazam" now.
I used to like the Shazam/Isis hour on CBS Saturday mornings as a lad, but I have a feeling they aren't bringing back Isis any time soon.

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« Reply #88 on: March 12, 2019, 01:44:05 pm »
It's a Marvel movie, and it's the lead-in to the conclusion of "Infinity War". They could hardly have missed.

From what I'm reading from non-troll sources, I get the impression that WW is a much better movie. But the DC movies don't have nearly the following that the Marvel movies do, and most of the DC movies have been pretty bad. Wonder Woman was the first genuine hit for the DC movies.

One thing that set WW apart from most movies is that it just kept going and going at the box office ("Wonder Woman has amazing legs", I think somebody phrased it...)  For most movies they usually expect the final box office to be somewhere around 2.5 to 3 times the opening weekend (us Hollywood types call that the "multiplier".)  For Black Panther it was more like 3.5, which is really good.  For Wonder Woman, it was 4, which is great. (Crazy Rich Asians: about 6, which is huge.)  Despite a great start, it's not a given that Captain Marvel finishes ahead of Wonder Woman in the long run.   DC movies like Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad had much better starts than Wonderwoman, but business died off quickly (multipliers about 2.0) because the movies were crappy and word-of-mouth was bad ...if Captain Marvel has a typical multiplier of 2.5ish, it could finish with domestic gross somewhere around $375 million, which would fall short of WW.

Same could be said of Guardians of the Galaxy or Black Panther.  The thing is, if comic book fans were the only ones who went to these movies, these movies would have gone extinct years ago because the studios wouldn't make any money on them.

If it was fame with the general public that set the benchmark for which comic book movies were most successful, the runaway leaders would probably be Batman, Superman, Spiderman, and the Incredible Hulk.  The first three of those characters had successful movies in previous incarnations, but their recent movies have had middling success at best-- the Spiderman "Homecoming" movie did pretty good, but not near the top of the Marvel brand. The Incredible Hulk is well known, but none of the Hulk movies were successful.

Neither is Chadwick Boseman...

I think people are going to see this because it's the lead-in to the conclusion of the "Infinity War" story.

Well these are all good points.  I guess the Infinity War tie-in hype makes the most sense.  I still think the movie doesn't look very good.

Pretty amazing opening considering it made more than either Guardians of the Galaxy movies and either Deadpool flicks.
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« Reply #89 on: March 12, 2019, 04:11:35 pm »
It's interesting that there is a Shazam movie coming out this year as well, considering he was the original Captain Marvel. He was in Whiz Comics, owned by Fawcett. DC sued them, claiming Captain Marvel was too much like Superman and Fawcett stopped publishing it. The copyright on the name lapsed and Marvel swooped in to claim it. DC wound up with the rights to the old Fawcett characters but they have to call Captain Marvel "Shazam" now.
I used to like the Shazam/Isis hour on CBS Saturday mornings as a lad, but I have a feeling they aren't bringing back Isis any time soon.

That's the only comic book I read.  So I was excited about Captain Marvel.  Then I found out it was a lady.  Ok.  Then I found out it was some whizbang bullshit universe.  I guess I get my Shazam now.  Is it a lady ?  A black lady ?