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Offline MH

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2018, 06:57:28 am »
There's another one this weekend: Black Panther.

I am NOT going to see this, nor am I slightly interested in the impact but I AM wondering:

Is anybody on here interested ?   

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2018, 07:10:46 am »
Is anybody on here interested ?

Casey Neistat gives it great reviews, thinks it is the best superhero movie since the Dark Knight (or something to that effect, watch his review and don't take my paraphrasing).

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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2018, 07:35:23 am »
There's another one this weekend: Black Panther.

I am NOT going to see this, nor am I slightly interested in the impact but I AM wondering:

Is anybody on here interested ?
I've read the first volume of the graphic novel reboot. It was written by Ta-Nehisi Coates, so I would highly recommend it. I'll be watching the movie, but not until it's released on video. Theater etiquette no longer exists. In my old age, I get grumpy at loud eaters, people shining their cellphones, and talking during movies.

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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2018, 09:29:37 am »
There's another one this weekend: Black Panther.

I am NOT going to see this, nor am I slightly interested in the impact but I AM wondering:

Is anybody on here interested ?

I was not that interested in the movie, but after seeing the reviews I think I will see it at some point. As cyber says, it's received excellent reviews. Everybody who has seen it seems to think it's amazing. Scanning the Rotten Tomatoes top critics reveals comments like: "transcends its comic-book origins, achieving a mythic grandeur that's nothing short of exhilarating."  "transcends the superhero genre to emerge as an epic of operatic proportions."  "It's uniquely satisfying popcorn entertainment, a triumphant trifecta of subject matter, talent and timing."  "This is 2018's first great motion picture - a title that will surely be remembered when end of the year bests are discussed."

Obviously a big focus is that this movie is based around a black character, which is a first in the Marvel world.

One recalls our earlier discussion regarding Wonder Woman, and your question of "wouldn't this be more inspiring if this were a regular woman fighting for pay equity in an office building?"   No. It wouldn't.

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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2018, 10:23:31 am »
I've only ever seen three or four superhero movies so I wasn't planning on being interested at all, but given the reviews I've seen so far, I'll give it a shot when it comes around on the TV.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2018, 12:35:23 pm »
Apparently the new Peter Rabbit movie is absolutely horrific!

Would Peter Rabbit be considered a superhero?  I like to think so...
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2018, 12:52:08 pm »
Everybody who has seen it seems to think it's amazing. Scanning the Rotten Tomatoes top critics reveals comments like:
Audience ratings on RT are only 76% compared to Jumanji, which was panned by the critics, has audience ratings of 90%. I tend to put more weight in the audience ratings myself.

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2018, 01:13:26 pm »
I’ll certainly watch it...    I just don’t get the whole “black culture” aspect to it.  It’s a Hollywood blockbuster sci-fi movie....    it’s not “Roots”.

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2018, 01:14:50 pm »
Audience ratings on RT are only 76% compared to Jumanji, which was panned by the critics, has audience ratings of 90%. I tend to put more weight in the audience ratings myself.

I don’t....   the “general public” is full of idiots.

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2018, 01:25:54 pm »
I don’t....   the “general public” is full of idiots.
People are not idiots because they don't share your taste in movies. Movies are not "better" because some self appointed movie snobs like them. The audiences provide feedback on the opinion of the subset of people that were interested enough in a movie to pay to see it. They tell us whether the walked away happy or disappointed or meh. This is useful data.

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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2018, 01:29:36 pm »
Rotten tomato reviews have little correlation to movie quality it seems, especially superhero movies.  I thought Dr. Strange and The Avengers movies were horrible.  Logan and Deadpool were great.  IMDB ratings seem more accurate because the ratings are from regular people not professional arthouse snobs who will get publicly blasted as racist/sexism/homophobe etc if they give a bad review to a movie about a victim group.

I don't care if a movie stars or is made by black people or white people or women or men or gays or armless people or people with seasonal allergies, a good movie is a good movie.  People seem to like Black Panther so I might see it at some point, but I'm getting bored of this genre & I'm a huge comic nerd, I still haven't seen Wonder Woman which looked pretty good.

Apparently it's a major cultural event now when a superhero movie features a woman (Wonder Woman), or black Africans, these characters are several decades old I don't know why people give a fuck but whatever floats your boat.
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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2018, 02:03:01 pm »
Audience ratings on RT are only 76% compared to Jumanji, which was panned by the critics, has audience ratings of 90%. I tend to put more weight in the audience ratings myself.

Yes and no.

Audience reviews are from people who were already predisposed to go see the film.  So for example audience reviews from "Saw IV" reflect the opinions of people who are already inclined to go see movies in the kidnap-torture-dungeon genre.  A positive audience review might mean "Saw IV really takes the kidnap-torture-dungeon genre to a whole new level and is one of the best kidnap-torture-dungeon movies I've ever seen!" but is of little value to somebody who isn't predisposed to see that sort of thing.

Conversely, hardcore loyalists can also be the harshest critics. "Hilted lightsabre IMPRACTICAL!  Childhood RUINED!!" type rants seem to accompany every new Star Wars release, yet people continue to go see them in vast numbers.

In regard to superhero movies... a positive audience score reflects the views of people who were already inclined to go see superhero movies.  But right now superhero movies are pretty mainstream action-adventure entertainment, so that doesn't necessarily mean that the audience score comes just from comic-book nerds.  I am expecting that it comes mainly from people who wanted to go see an action-adventure movie, rather than hardcore comic book nerds.

The 24% not-positve audience reviews might come from people who thought the movie wasn't good, but I have a hunch that some of it might be "less talking, more punching" type sentiment.

For me, when it comes to "genre" movies, I tend to pay attention to mainstream critics.  Every once in a while a movie comes along, like "Guardians of the Galaxy" or "Wonder Woman" or "Deadpool" that generates a "wow!" reaction from mainstream critics. "wow! this is completely fresh and original!" or "wow! this is way better than I was expecting!" and those are the movies I enjoy watching as well.  "Black Panther" seems to be one of those "wow!" movies.

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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2018, 02:13:36 pm »
Rotten tomato reviews have little correlation to movie quality it seems, especially superhero movies.  I thought Dr. Strange and The Avengers movies were horrible.  Logan and Deadpool were great.

Keep in mind that a Rotten Tomatoes score is just a ratio of positive reviews to negative reviews.  Black Panther has a Rotten Tomatoes rating of something like 95% right now, but that might mean that 19 critics gave it 2.5 stars out of 4, and one critic gave it 2.0 stars out of 4.  A very "meh" movie can get a very high RT score provided that most reviewers agree that it's at least a mildly entertaining "meh".

Apparently it's a major cultural event now when a superhero movie features a woman (Wonder Woman), or black Africans, these characters are several decades old I don't know why people give a fuck but whatever floats your boat.

The characters might have been around for many decades, but nobody has ever actually made a movie about them that made any money.  Before Wonder Woman, the last female superhero movie was a Supergirl movie sometime in the early 1980s, and it did so poorly that nobody has ever tried again.  As for a black superhero, there's been sidekicks like Falcon-Suit Guy or Replacement Iron Man Guy, but never the lead. Unless you count "Blade", but probably most people didn't even know Blade is a comic book and just thought it was a movie about Wesley Snipes beating the crap out of vampires.

The notion that you could make a Black Panther movie or a Wonder Woman movie and people would actually go to the theatre and pay money to watch it is a relatively recent discovery for Hollywood, and one that goes against decades of conventional industry wisdom.

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2018, 02:17:04 pm »
Rotten tomato reviews have little correlation to movie quality it seems, especially superhero movies.  I thought Dr. Strange and The Avengers movies were horrible.  Logan and Deadpool were great.  IMDB ratings seem more accurate because the ratings are from regular people not professional arthouse snobs who will get publicly blasted as racist/sexism/homophobe etc if they give a bad review to a movie about a victim group.

I don't care if a movie stars or is made by black people or white people or women or men or gays or armless people or people with seasonal allergies, a good movie is a good movie.  People seem to like Black Panther so I might see it at some point, but I'm getting bored of this genre & I'm a huge comic nerd, I still haven't seen Wonder Woman which looked pretty good.

Apparently it's a major cultural event now when a superhero movie features a woman (Wonder Woman), or black Africans, these characters are several decades old I don't know why people give a fuck but whatever floats your boat.
In simple terms, RT is more like the proportion of critics giving positive reviews, rather than some sort of weighted average of review scores. For the latter people should check out Metacritic instead.

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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2018, 02:18:40 pm »
So, Black Panther apparently did ok this weekend, to the tune of over $200 million dollars.

That's not just huge, that's huge even in comparison to most other Marvel movies.  I'm quite surprised. I thought it would do "ok" or "pretty good", but I had no idea that they'd have a blockbuster of this scale. I'm not sure whether the overwhelmingly positive reviews or an appetite for this character in particular would be the biggest driver, but whichever it is, it's pretty phenomenal.


Sorry, Michael, "superhero fatigue" has been put on hold.


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