Author Topic: So uhh.. Game of Thrones comes back this week.  (Read 559 times)

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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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After he ho-hum let-down of the white walker battle, the last 2 episodes have been horrible.  Dany went from hero to the most murderous villain of the series within 2 episodes.  Her and her soldiers were committing war crimes, burning innocent women and children.  This is so dumb.

The last 2 episodes have been by far the worst reviewed by critics and fans of the whole series.  At least I can read the books that are apparently done and waiting for the show to end to be released.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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I was thinking that the Daenarys story is a lot like the Anakin Skywalker story, in that they both had the makings of great heroes but embraced hate after tragedies in their personal lives. I've drawn up a quick reference guide to compare and contrast.

Daenarys: "the Mother of Dragons".
Anakin: "the Chosen One."

Daenarys: born under extraordinary circumstances.
Anakin: conceived under extraordinary circumstances.

Daenarys: destined for greatness by birthright.
Anakin:  destined for greatness by birthright.

Daenarys: begins the story as another person's property.
Anakin: begins the story as another person's property.

Daenarys: becomes extremely powerful.
Anakin: becomes extremely powerful.

Daenarys: builds and commands a vast military power during the story.
Anakin: becomes commander of a vast military power later on in the story.

Daenarys: betrayed or abandoned by everyone close to her.
Anakin: betrays and abandons everyone close to him.

Daenarys: turns to the dark side after losing loved ones.
Anakin: turns to the dark side in a futile attempt to save loved ones.

Daenarys: slaughters innocents in an unthinkable act of evil.
Anakin:  slaughters innocents in an unthinkable act of evil.

Daenarys: not flammable.
Anakin:  flammable.



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I watched some of the scenes of destruction again last night.

I liked the scene were Cersei arrives in the tower to watch everything.  She doesn't say anything, but the look in her eyes says that she's anticipating a great day. The idea that she might lose hasn't even entered her head. She's so confident. 

And as they go back to her several times during the episode that look is gone, but she's in denial even as she watches everything collapse. The Golden Company-- wiped out in moments. The Iron Fleet-- in ruins. The ballistas-- destroyed.   She remains desperately convinced that somehow something is going to go right for her, because it always has. When Qyburn finally convinces her that she's lost and they need to flee, we get this one little tear as she finally comprehends the totality of her defeat.

A lot of people wanted her to meet a violent end face-to-face at the hands of one of her enemies, but I think being crushed to death as her own castle collapsed on top of her was really a perfect ending for her.  Really, she was killed by her own over confidence more than anything else. Being crushed under her castle was a great metaphor for her hubris causing her downfall.

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Offline TimG

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Based on odds offered by Bookies:

Can't see why anyone believes Bran Stark is a contender.
So now the question is: how did British bettors know that no one else seemed to know?
I would also like to know if the they paid out because Bran is technically only the ruler of 6 kingdoms?
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Of all the possible outcomes, Bran ruling the Seven Kingdoms is the one that makes the least possible sense. 

Lol!


Tyrion's plan only works as long as the 7 6 kingdoms are led by reasonable rational people without greater ambition.   Otherwise everything is right back to square one, with the next Tywin Lannister plotting to put his back on the Iron Throne.

Also, when Sansa opts the North out of the 7 kingdoms, to me it seems like at that moment Yara Greyjoy ought to have piped up and said "wait, I didn't know that was an option. That thing she just did? I want to do that too."    She had already negotiated exactly such a deal with Daenarys... for her to not insist it be honored seems out of character and kind of an omission.

Nonetheless, I kind of liked the resolution. The final episode was somewhat low key, and I liked that it suggested that the years of strife would end and stability would return. Seeing the Small Council talking about boring business like finances and rebuilding the sewer system gave a sense of hope, a sense that the wars and power struggles were over and they were going to start looking after the small folk.  I'm not sure that Bronn was a great choice to be master of coin, and I'm not sure Brienne or Samwell have much management experience, but Tyrion and Davos both have relevant work experience, so I'm sure they'll be fine.

We've seen similar from Sansa over the past few seasons. Her being the one who talks about details like storing enough food for winter and feeding their armies and so on is a reminder of Catelyn Stark warning Ned about the same issues in season one. While Arya was out playing archery, Sansa was learning about running a kingdom from her mother.  Sansa has Catelyn's business sense, but also a bit of Cersei's calculating nature and Littlefinger's cunning.


Poor Jon... he lost the love of his life, twice. He knew nothing, but learned a few things along the way.  Being exiled back to Castle Black isn't so terrible. He was reunited with his puppy and the wildlings. It's where he grew into the man he became. Like his wolf, he belonged in the north.
 

I thought Emilia Clarke was really good this episode... she gave a sense that she still really believed in what she was doing, that she was so blinded by her goal of "breaking the wheel" that she genuinely didn't realize that she'd become the wheel.  A lot of people feel that her turn to the dark side didn't make sense, but I think it could have. It fell down because everything was quite rushed, and didn't feel convincing because it wasn't given enough time to develop.  Tyrion's talk with Jon put it in better context.  We cheered her on because she was destroying evil men-- it applies to the audience as well as to the characters in the show.  It was still sad to see her go.  Poor Drogon.  Lost his siblings and his mom.


As for Arya... she's sailing west, probably to kill Benioff and Weiss.


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A couple of lesser moments that gave me a giggle were at the summit of leaders, when Samwell proposes democracy and everybody reacts like it's the most retarded idea they've ever heard.  And when Sansa politely asks Edmure to sit down and shut up.

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People seemed to hate that Council meeting. I loved it.

Grown up Robyn Aryn,
Edmure Tully somehow gets to lead the Riverlands and gets dunked on by Sansa.
This Prince of Dorne that no one knows anything about looks completely disinterested.
Sam is there to represent the Reach? Why are Brienne and Davos there, come to think of it?

Sam and Bron totally won the Game of Throne. Not only is Sam the Small Council Maester, he's also the Lord of Hornhill has a wife and kids. Talk about Breaking the Wheel.

Bron becomes master of coin, because. . . and gets Highgarden so he replaces the Tyrells. What do they call Bron's house?

I would also think Dorne and The Iron Islands would pipe in when Sansa proposes NorExit.




Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Scenes from the final episode ranged from "good" to "crap", giving it a final "meh" rating.

Season 8 has been one of the most epic disappointments in TV history.  The writing was horrendous.  I'll be waiting for the books to hopefully get a final arc that isn't dog poo.  The last book should be out by 2035.

For the die-hard fans (which isn't me), Bran has been a popular guess for awhile.

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