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Re: So uhh.. Game of Thrones comes back this week.
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2019, 10:44:56 am »
It will be interesting to see how Daenerys deals with John's heritage. She has shown herself to be quite ruthless in her quest for power.

Does Lineage even matter when you have two armies at your back? The Unsullied and the Dothraki don't follow her because of her House.

But then if none of the kingdoms support your claim, who cares? Clearly the North hates her and the Vale is aligned with the North. The Reach won't support her after what was done to the Tarleys.

Ruling the 7 Kingdoms by the whole "Bend the Knee or Die" approach isn't a whole lot better than anything they've seen before.

I think this Battle for Winterfell will upend the whole narrative where lineage and claims to the throne don't much matter anymore.

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2019, 10:49:28 am »
A lot of people are apparently getting impatient waiting for the big battle, but this show wasn't built around big battle scenes. It was built around characters interacting with each other the way we saw in this episode.

Gilly and Ser Davos trying to convince the little girl hat she should take shelter in the crypts.  The girl had a scar on her face that was a lot like Shireen Baratheon's.    It was a neat reminder of Davos' friendship with Shireen, which was one of the things that made him such an endearing character.

Back in season 2 (I think) Brienne tells Catelyn Stark the story of her debutante dance.  She figured out that all of the men who danced with her had turned it into a prank and were laughing at her behind her back because she was so homely.  Then Renly Baratheon came to her rescue and treated her like a real princess, and she was so deeply moved that she pledged her sword to Renly's service.  When Jaime offers to knight her, she shrugs it off and pretends it doesn't matter to her, because she thinks that she's being pranked again. But once she realizes that he really means it, it's incredibly emotional for her, just like her response to Renly.  Jaime had given her recognition and validation that she'd always wished for but never thought she was really allowed to have.

We also saw Theon reminding everybody that he'd betrayed the Starks and asking for a chance to make up for it. And we saw the scene with Samwell and Jorah, with Sam reminding us that Jorah's dad was a mentor who changed Sam's life and molded him into a man.  And we saw Sam, Jon, and the other guy from the Night's Watch reflecting on how far they've all come from when they first met in basic training at Castle Black.

I think that for some of these characters this is the last chance we'll have to spend any time with them.  I think that this episode was sort of a celebration of the past 8 years of getting to know these fictional people and a way of tying up some of their stories and sending them off in style. 

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We haven't seen any action in the first two episodes but that's because we're leading to all the action in this episode.

It is cool to see how all the stories intersect. Sam giving Jorah Heartspane was a really cool moment because Longclaw was originally Jorah's. It also means Jorah be dead this next episode.
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2019, 08:28:19 pm »
Should we do a dead pool?  Everybody picks 5 characters they think will die in episode 3, and 5 characters they think will survive episode 3, one point for each correct guess?  Or something like that?

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2019, 08:30:19 pm »
People keep saying "the crypts will be the safest place to be once the battle starts" so often that I'm sure something horrible is going to happen in the crypts.

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2019, 10:01:47 pm »
Is it weird that i want everyone to die and want Arya's awkward underage side-boob to claim the Iron throne?
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Re: So uhh.. Game of Thrones comes back this week.
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2019, 02:42:58 pm »
Should we do a dead pool?  Everybody picks 5 characters they think will die in episode 3, and 5 characters they think will survive episode 3, one point for each correct guess?  Or something like that?

I keep looking at the DVDs at the library, but have yet to commit to watching them. Maybe when the series is complete I will then binge watch it all. At the moment, I am completely ignorant on this topic (and some of you would argue on many others).

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2019, 04:53:27 pm »
Should we do a dead pool?  Everybody picks 5 characters they think will die in episode 3, and 5 characters they think will survive episode 3, one point for each correct guess?  Or something like that?

5 characters I think will die in episode 3

1. Brienne.  I think last week's moment in the sun was the culmination of her story.  I think she will die in heroic fashion in the battle, probably saving Jaime from certain death.

2. Jorah the Explorah.  I feel like somebody close to Daenarys will die, and Jorah seems likeliest to me.  His path of redemption from exiled goon to worthy son to his father has been completed.

3. The Hound.  This is a risky pick, because a lot of people expect him to survive and fight his brother later on.  I have a sense that maybe he'll die in a way that fits his character arc, his evolution from a selfish, bitter, cynical misanthrope to a man with a heart and a purpose. I think that perhaps Arya will deal with Ser Gregor in memory of the Hound.

4. The Night King.  and

5. Brandon Stark.  I have a sense that these two will end each other in some sort of mystical way. I'm not sure that Bran will literally die, but I think this is the end of him in his current form.  Perhaps his essence and memory lives on in the form of a tree spirit or a raven or some sort of mystical type deal, but I think that this episode will be the end of him in his current form.  Of course, I'm assuming the Night King's story ends here. That's a big if.  What if the Night King is victorious, the humans are routed from Winterfell, and the Night King's advance continues all the way to the end of the series?  It could happen.

I also think Theon, Grey Worm, and Tormund are probably going to die.  I wonder if Bronn will make it to Winterfell in time for the fighting?


5 characters I think will survive episode 3 (not counting characters who will be nowhere near the battle, like Cersei, Euron, Yara...)

1. Jaime. Can't picture his story ending here, there's too much left unfinished.

2. Daenarys. Can't picture the final 3 episodes not resolving her quest for the throne.

3. Jon. Because I don't think Dany's story is ending without Jon.

4. Arya. I'm not 100% sure why, but I think she might assassinate somebody (Cersei, or maybe the Mountain?) before all is said and done.

5. Tyrion. I think something awful will happen in the crypts, and Tyrion will save the day. He will probably try to be a voice of reason as Dany moves forward with her political ambitions.

I also think Samwell, Gilly, and Lyanna Mormont will probably survive.  Just wishful thinking here, no particular logic. 



I am on the fence about Sansa. If she survives, she will be a political force in the remaining episodes. But I could picture the battle against the Night King being perhaps the end of that paradigm... perhaps Dany's world view will be altered in a way that puts makes thrones and ruling seem less important to her.  Sansa's death might persuade Dany that having dominion over the North isn't important to her.  But perhaps Dany comes to that realization without Sansa dying.

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Re: So uhh.. Game of Thrones comes back this week.
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2019, 05:33:59 pm »
Sunday night, after all the dust has settled, I imagine I'll be thinking "man, how could I have been so wrong about everything?"

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Re: So uhh.. Game of Thrones comes back this week.
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2019, 12:55:19 pm »
Based on odds offered by Bookies:

Can't see why anyone believes Bran Stark is a contender.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2019, 01:22:20 pm »
Based on odds offered by Bookies:
Can't see why anyone believes Bran Stark is a contender.

You would think having a couple dragons would get you more respect than that....    ???   ???

I think Daenerys will come out on top....

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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2019, 08:34:22 pm »
Based on odds offered by Bookies:

Can't see why anyone believes Bran Stark is a contender.

Of all the possible outcomes, Bran ruling the Seven Kingdoms is the one that makes the least possible sense.  Also can't picture Sansa, Arya, or Gendry.

The six possibilities as I see them:

1. Nobody (the Seven Kingdoms cease to be ruled under one monarch.)

2. Jon, without Dany.

3. Dany, without Jon.

4. Jon and Dany as a couple.

5. Cersei.

6. Nobody (the Night King prevails and destroys everything.)

But perhaps something completely unexpected happens on the way to the fireworks factory...


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Re: So uhh.. Game of Thrones comes back this week.
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2019, 11:31:59 pm »
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can't picture Sansa, Arya, or Gendry.

Arya could take the face of whomever rules the kingdoms....   i could see that happening. 

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2019, 11:57:41 pm »
You would think having a couple dragons would get you more respect than that....    ???   ???
I will take one Arya over two dragons any day.

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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2019, 08:15:12 am »
Sunday night, after all the dust has settled, I imagine I'll be thinking "man, how could I have been so wrong about everything?"

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I have no clue what to expect this season. The first half will lead to a battle in Winterfell. I've heard theories that this is a W for humanity. The show is called Game of Thrones not Game of Fighting Ice Zombies. The story should focus on the power struggle with Cersei and not a battle for humanity against some mystic Ice Army.

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Danny and Jon/Aegon did the Dothraki dirty. Just ride into a black void and get slaughtered. Even Melissandra's assist didn't do anything.

Is Rhegal dead? Wasn't sure because everything in that episode was hard to follow. Other unconfirmed survival/deaths, Gendry, Ghost and Tormond.

Did Arya use a White Walkers face to get that close to the Knight King. In a show where you have to completely suspend reality, that's really hard to believe. But it was cool. Having the God of Death line reset to her must have been good motivation.

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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2019, 08:37:37 am »
Danny and Jon/Aegon did the Dothraki dirty. Just ride into a black void and get slaughtered. Even Melissandra's assist didn't do anything.
That was so contrived. A real battle would have had the Dothraki do hit and fade flank attacks in the *daylight*. I suspect Melissandra's bit was to add to the drama so the defenders could watch the lights go out from the castle walls.