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Re: SJW as an Insult
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2018, 03:19:01 pm »
It didn't always used to be pejorative.

I don't know anyone that self identified as a SJW. There might have been people fighting for social justice, but to the best of my knowledge they are not the ones that created the term.

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« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2018, 03:22:27 pm »
I don't know anyone that self identified as a SJW. There might have been people fighting for social justice, but to the best of my knowledge they are not the ones that created the term.

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The phrase originated in the late 20th century as a neutral or positive term for people engaged in social justice activism.[1] In 2011, when the term first appeared on Twitter, it changed from a primarily positive term to an overwhelmingly negative one.  During the Gamergate controversy, the negative connotation gained increased use, and was particularly aimed at those espousing views adhering to social liberalism, cultural inclusivity, or feminism, as well as views deemed to be politically correct.[1][2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior
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Re: SJW as an Insult
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2018, 03:26:44 pm »
There is nothing wrong with issues of social justice and those trying to belittle those values are the ones succeeding by devaluing the term.
You mean like belittling people's opinions because they white? Or by calling people racist because they are concerned about current levels of immigration? Or by calling people sexist for suggesting that men and women don't want the same types of jobs and expecting parity in all jobs is unreasonable? Or for calling people "transphobic" for being appalled at idea of promoting sex change operations to vulnerable teens.

SJWs get the derogatory label because all they do is go around belittling the values of people that disagree with them.
It is ironic that you don't like being fed your own medicine.

A little hint: "justice" is in the eye of the beholder. What you call justice is gross injustice to others.


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Re: SJW as an Insult
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2018, 03:32:02 pm »
From Wikipedia: More than 20 years ago, the term was generally used as a neutral or even complimentary describer. Here’s a clip from a 1991 write-up of a Montreal jazz festival, from the Montreal Gazette:

    [Quebec guitarist Rene] Lussier will present the world premiere of his ambitious Quebecois mood piece Le Tresor de la Langue, which juxtaposes the spoken word — including sound bites from Charles de Gaulle and Quebec nationalist and social-justice warrior Michel Chartrand — with new- music noodlings.

Michel Chartrand? The Quebec nationalist that supported the FLQ? Not really what I would consider positive.

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« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2018, 03:41:01 pm »
Michel Chartrand? The Quebec nationalist that supported the FLQ? Not really what I would consider positive.

??  Weird response to what was merely some background info.  The term has been used since the 1920s and was not generally used as a perjorative until around 2011. 
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« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2018, 03:51:34 pm »
Michel Chartrand? The Quebec nationalist that supported the FLQ? Not really what I would consider positive.

Did you see the example I left from ACLU blog?

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« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2018, 04:27:40 pm »
No different than "Evangelical" or "Neocon".
You know those are actual categories that specify a particular kind of religious belief and a particular kind of “conservatism” (which is actually liberalism, but whatever). Neocons aren’t all conservatives and evangelical isn’t all christians. They’re specific believes that are being criticized.
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« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2018, 04:30:28 pm »
I’m not really sure what I expect from people who claim that promoting tolerance is intolerant and criticizing racism is racist.

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Re: SJW as an Insult
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2018, 04:38:47 pm »
@dia, @BC Chick

yeah, yeah, I give.

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« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2018, 04:56:07 pm »
Funny, because I was just discussing this with an activist friend in the US.
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« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2018, 04:59:28 pm »
You know those are actual categories that specify a particular kind of religious belief and a particular kind of “conservatism” (which is actually liberalism, but whatever). Neocons aren’t all conservatives and evangelical isn’t all christians. They’re specific believes that are being criticized.
And SJWs are not all people on the left. Only specific beliefs are being criticized...

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« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2018, 05:03:38 pm »
I’m not really sure what I expect from people who claim that promoting tolerance is intolerant and criticizing racism is racist.
A little self awareness can go a long way. The problem is what you define to be "intolerance" or "racist" is not necessarily intolerant or racist. You simply use those labels to justify your actions which makes your definitions of the terms to be extremely self-serving (i.e. you believe you can never be racist because only you are allowed to decide what racism is).
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« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2018, 05:03:57 pm »
Funny, because I was just discussing this with an activist friend in the US.

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« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2018, 05:06:11 pm »
A little self awareness can go a long way. The problem is what you define to be "intolerance" or "racist" is not necessarily intolerant or racist. You simply use those labels to justify your actions which makes your definitions of the terms to be extremely self-serving (i.e. you believe you can never be racist because only you are allowed to decide what racism is).

So lets have your definition of racism.