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Offline SirJohn

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Re: SJW as an Insult
« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2018, 10:25:18 am »
As with "Evangelical Christians" to people on the left, the most important function of the political caricature is to comfort someone that their opposition is an unreasonable monster.

Not a monster but definitely unreasonable. I think the reason I hold SJWs in contempt is the same reason I have little respect for religious extremists of any variety. Because they're not reasonable, not logical, and cling to their extremist viewpoint with no willingness to compromise or even acknowledge that others might have a right to a different one.

That wasn't a single individual, btw, but a group of them, and they are hardly alone. I could as easily have posted lots of videos of SJWs rioting or being stupid in other contexts. I saw a video the other day of a bunch of moronic SJWs parading around in Ottawa a couple of ears back demanding Stephen Harper be arrested. I mean, seriously. You can pretend its an untrue caricature if it makes you feel better, but it's not.
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« Reply #91 on: March 17, 2018, 11:04:21 am »
I could as easily have posted lots of videos of SJWs rioting or being stupid in other contexts.

So in your definition, SJWs are only those who what unreasonable opinions and riot? The "good" definition of SJWs is obsolete?

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« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2018, 11:13:48 am »
Aaaaaand....

Just browsing the last page of this argument I find a video of a single individual with an untenable viewpoint, who is being brought into the discussion of "Social Justice Warriors". 

As with "Evangelical Christians" to people on the left, the most important function of the political caricature is to comfort someone that their opposition is an unreasonable monster.

Carry on with your entertainment...

Or just an unreasonable dickhead.

Purple hair does not a monster make.

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« Reply #93 on: March 17, 2018, 11:14:16 am »
Social justice warriors in action.  :D



See, this is exactly your problem.  You call me and other posters on this forum SJW's all the time and to defend your position this is the video you post as an example of an SJW.

To compare it back to the Christianity example, that'd be like me calling Christian people Christians with the intention to insult them (when they don't see anything wrong with their faith) and then posting a video of Westboro Church as an example of a 'Christian'.

You're completely misrepresenting the ideology and attempting to malign an otherwise benign term just because you like to paint everyone who adheres to it as an extremist.

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« Reply #94 on: March 17, 2018, 11:22:16 am »
SJW is to the left what social conservative is to the right.  Neither term is an insult...  but both are awful political viewpoints.

It never used to be though.  I posted a 2011 link from the ACLU where the term was used in a positive way.  That's the way the term was historically used.

It's people like Argus that are devaluing it by using it as a pejorative.  He tries to do the same with 'progressive' as well.  People like him have succeeded in turning 'feminism' into a bad thing and I don't agree.

There is nothing wrong with people who believe in social justice and their version of painting anyone who believes in social justice as a nutty extremist needs to be disregarded and called out.

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« Reply #95 on: March 17, 2018, 11:26:44 am »
Are you sure you're the other oblivious driver?  You did create this thread and are upset at the SJW label.

I've looked over and noticed that the car next to me is flipping me off and shouting obscenities with a crazy angry look on his face.

No, I'm not angry, I'm laughing at him because I have nothing to be ashamed of about the way I was driving.
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« Reply #96 on: March 17, 2018, 11:37:40 am »
I think the term "social justice" is terribly self-righteous, as if their ideas of justice for society are the correct and only version.  Every single person has their own vision of what social justice is.  Justice is completely subjective.  Ask Socrates or Plato.

You're using the term in a literal sense, whereas the way the term is *used* is an all-encompassing ideology that believes in equality. 

If I talk about a watermelon, you can't come back at me and say it's actually a misnomer because there is no water in it.

I'm talking about the fruit.
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« Reply #97 on: March 17, 2018, 11:44:00 am »
So in your definition, SJWs are only those who what unreasonable opinions and riot? The "good" definition of SJWs is obsolete?

Definition? SJW for me is a category of behavior and beliefs. All of it fanatical and unreasonable.
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« Reply #98 on: March 17, 2018, 11:49:13 am »
It's people like Argus that are devaluing it by using it as a pejorative.

No it's people who are SJWs devaluing it by acting like ****. I don't like ****. That's why I'm not fond of religious or political fanatics and ideologues, because they're invariably ****. I make no exceptions or allowances.

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People like him have succeeded in turning 'feminism' into a bad thing and I don't agree.

No, feminists made feminism into a bad thing. Not all of them, but the extremists who came to be the voice of feminism, the ones who were shrill man-haters, who said all sexual intercourse between men and women was ****, who demanded equality of results, rather than equality of opportunity.

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There is nothing wrong with people who believe in social justice

Depending how one defines social justice, of course. That's like saying "I denounce terrorism! Except for the actions of freedom fighters, of course! THAT'S not terrorism!"

The overriding theme in all of my postings for ten years has been a belief in fundamental justice. Yet I loath SJWs for their illiberal and unjust behaviour and beliefs.
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« Reply #99 on: March 17, 2018, 11:51:52 am »
I've looked over and noticed that the car next to me is flipping me off and shouting obscenities with a crazy angry look on his face.

No, you drove up alongside him, screaming through your closed window and giving him the finger - repeatedly, several days running. And when he gives you the finger back you pretend that this is an example of his anger, rather than your shrill intolerance for people with different viewpoints.

Shrill self-righteous intolerance, btw, is the hallmark of SWJs. Congratulations on being the cliche'.
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« Reply #100 on: March 17, 2018, 11:52:45 am »
No it's people who are SJWs devaluing it by acting like ****. I don't like ****. That's why I'm not fond of religious or political fanatics and ideologues, because they're invariably ****. I make no exceptions or allowances.

No, feminists made feminism into a bad thing. Not all of them, but the extremists who came to be the voice of feminism, the ones who were shrill man-haters, who said all sexual intercourse between men and women was ****, who demanded equality of results, rather than equality of opportunity.

Depending how one defines social justice, of course. That's like saying "I denounce terrorism! Except for the actions of freedom fighters, of course! THAT'S not terrorism!"

Hey argus, remember that old adage about what to do when you find yourself in a hole? :D
The overriding theme in all of my postings for ten years has been a belief in fundamental justice. Yet I loath SJWs for their illiberal and unjust behaviour and beliefs.

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« Reply #101 on: March 17, 2018, 12:23:03 pm »
There is nothing wrong with people who believe in social justice and their version of painting anyone who believes in social justice as a nutty extremist needs to be disregarded and called out.

Everyone believes in social justice to some degree.  I was always under the impression that a SJW was, by definition, the nutty and extremist type.

At least, if I ever use the term, that's what I mean.

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Re: SJW as an Insult
« Reply #102 on: March 17, 2018, 12:26:35 pm »
I've looked over and noticed that the car next to me is flipping me off and shouting obscenities with a crazy angry look on his face.

No, I'm not angry, I'm laughing at him because I have nothing to be ashamed of about the way I was driving.

Zealots aren't known for having shame.
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« Reply #103 on: March 17, 2018, 12:34:59 pm »
Zealots aren't known for having shame.


So you think I’m a zealot?

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« Reply #104 on: March 17, 2018, 01:20:14 pm »

So you think I’m a zealot?

Don’t know. Are you?
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