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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2018, 02:23:06 pm »
Quote from: MH on June 23, 2018, 12:16:03 pm
Isn't up to individuals to decide when/if to apologize ?  Or is Bill Maher saying that we should now start having collective morals again ?

No, he was saying we apologize too much, for giving offense that was never intended and should not have been received.
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2018, 02:24:39 pm »
Quote from: Omni on June 23, 2018, 12:26:17 pm
It certainly was not a direct answer to my question. It explains nothing as to the context of how the N word was used in this case.

It pointed out that in Hollywood, people give apologies for any offense, however unreasonable and unintended.

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And while I usually like Maher, this particular segment is rather childish as well as insensitive. Some of the apologies he tries to poke fun at are valid.


Such as? And even if you disagree with him why should he apologize?

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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2018, 03:46:19 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on June 23, 2018, 02:24:39 pm
It pointed out that in Hollywood, people give apologies for any offense, however unreasonable and unintended.


Such as? And even if you disagree with him why should he apologize?

Once again, for the umptteenth time. we need the actual context to make an informed decision. Not your biased one.
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2018, 04:25:21 pm »
Quote from: Omni on June 23, 2018, 03:46:19 pm
Once again, for the umptteenth time. we need the actual context to make an informed decision. Not your biased one.

Just what context do you imagine the word would be used in a meeting with PR staff to discuss sensitive words?
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2018, 07:49:22 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on June 23, 2018, 04:25:21 pm
Just what context do you imagine the word would be used in a meeting with PR staff to discuss sensitive words?

I wasn't in the meeting, nor were you. You like to make assumptions that suit you. I prefer to have the facts.
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2018, 11:24:03 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on June 23, 2018, 02:23:06 pm
No, he was saying we apologize too much, for giving offense that was never intended and should not have been received.

What business is it of his if someone wants to apologize ?  Has the right gone from criticizing people who tell us what to do... to now ACTUALLY telling us what to do ?
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2018, 11:25:26 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on June 23, 2018, 02:24:39 pm
It pointed out that in Hollywood, people give apologies for any offense, however unreasonable and unintended.
 

IN an industry where fractions of percentages matter, it's probably good for business.
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2018, 10:18:48 am »
Quote from: MH on June 23, 2018, 11:24:03 pm
What business is it of his if someone wants to apologize ?  Has the right gone from criticizing people who tell us what to do... to now ACTUALLY telling us what to do ?

You realize Maher is extremely liberal, right?
And since apologizing has become a very public thing forced by online outrage it's become everyone's business.
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2018, 10:56:30 am »
I really don't think Maher is so liberal.  Anyway he is suspect because of having a show that mines outrage.

Of course apologizing is a public activity.  I am trying to differentiate between people who demand civility and political correctness and people who criticize people for apologizing.  Can someone articulate a guiding prinicple for a common morality around apologies for me?
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2018, 11:08:50 am »
Quote from: MH on June 24, 2018, 10:56:30 am
I really don't think Maher is so liberal.

Why? You're reminding me of a thing he did about liberals who attack and denounce other liberals for only agreeing with them 95% of the time.

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Of course apologizing is a public activity.  I am trying to differentiate between people who demand civility and political correctness and people who criticize people for apologizing.

Apologizing to snowflakes over something that should not have offended them is not civility, its spinelessness. Like the actor who issued a grovelling apology to natives because he dressed as an Indian to attend a lone ranger themed party. BTW, it wasn't Indians who complained. Or Justin Timberlake apologizing after daring to voice his respect and appreciation for a speech given by a black man - without acknowledging his white privilege! Eeek!

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Can someone articulate a guiding prinicple for a common morality around apologies for me?

Ask your mother. She should have taught you that long ago.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2018, 11:58:41 am »
I just remember Maher as being a public figure of no determined political stripe.

If you can't articulate a principle then it tellse that you want the right to complain about people's apologies but want them to not have the same right to moralize that you have.
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2018, 01:24:37 pm »
Quote from: MH on June 24, 2018, 11:58:41 am
I just remember Maher as being a public figure of no determined political stripe.

He's pretty much as liberal as you get without going full out progressive.

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If you can't articulate a principle then it tellse that you want the right to complain about people's apologies but want them to not have the same right to moralize that you have.

You seriously want to know what a guiding principle behind apologies is? You apologize when you have done something you should not have done which has caused offense or harm. How hard is that?
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2018, 01:39:56 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on June 24, 2018, 01:24:37 pm
He's pretty much as liberal as you get without going full out progressive.

You seriously want to know what a guiding principle behind apologies is? You apologize when you have done something you should not have done which has caused offense or harm. How hard is that?

So throwing around the word "****" in a room with Negroes present is not something you should not do in your opinion therefore not requiring an apology?
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2018, 01:43:23 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on June 24, 2018, 11:08:50 am
Apologizing to snowflakes over something that should not have offended them is not civility,
You make a lot of assumptions, considering we have no idea what was said or why people found it upsetting. We do know he recognized it was inappropriate though, so it must have been pretty bloody stupid.

But hey, keep fighting the good fight. I suggest you use the n-word as much as possible. It lets people know what kind of person heard dealing with.
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Re: Should you be fired for using the N-word?
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2018, 01:56:11 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on June 24, 2018, 11:08:50 am
Why? You're reminding me of a thing he did about liberals who attack and denounce other liberals for only agreeing with them 95% of the time.

Apologizing to snowflakes over something that should not have offended them is not civility, its spinelessness. Like the actor who issued a grovelling apology to natives because he dressed as an Indian to attend a lone ranger themed party. BTW, it wasn't Indians who complained. Or Justin Timberlake apologizing after daring to voice his respect and appreciation for a speech given by a black man - without acknowledging his white privilege! Eeek!

Ask your mother. She should have taught you that long ago.

so even though you weren't in that room, you assume that the people who were apologized to are "snowflakes" and the decision to make the apology is "spineless". Why am I not surprised!
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