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Offline Michael Hardner

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https://gizmodo.com/uber-self-driving-car-killed-arizona-woman-while-in-au-1823891032

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/975786364892602368

"I wish humans weren't so bad at risk assessment. Driverless cars will save thousands of lives. How many human driven cars struck and killed someone today? Understandable reaction, but so damn frustrating"

Isn't this something like Wynne putting money into pharma ?

Moonlight Graham: 'Wynne did what she did not to make the health system the best it can be, but to please the most people most likely to voter for her in the next election.  It was a politically motivated move.  She's playing with people's lives and health to further her own political power, which is morally reprehensible.'

Pulling the Uber car is politically on the money, but ultimately increases the number of deaths that will happen in the future.  Right ?

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Bring on the war bots.  After all, human soldiers kill people too!

Ah, humans, we hardly knew ye...

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https://gizmodo.com/uber-self-driving-car-killed-arizona-woman-while-in-au-1823891032

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/975786364892602368

"I wish humans weren't so bad at risk assessment. Driverless cars will save thousands of lives. How many human driven cars struck and killed someone today? Understandable reaction, but so damn frustrating"

Isn't this something like Wynne putting money into pharma ?

Moonlight Graham: 'Wynne did what she did not to make the health system the best it can be, but to please the most people most likely to voter for her in the next election.  It was a politically motivated move.  She's playing with people's lives and health to further her own political power, which is morally reprehensible.'

Pulling the Uber car is politically on the money, but ultimately increases the number of deaths that will happen in the future.  Right ?

If this technology keeps the idiots who go to the pub for a few hours and then drive home, and the other idiots who drive around with their faces stuck looking into their stupid **** head phones from getting behind the wheel, then I expect a lot of lives will be saved. What I did find troubling was an article I read regarding the difficulty programmers face in dealing with a situation such as a kid who runs into the street and the car has to decided whether to run over them or swerve into the other lane possibly causing a head on with an oncoming car.

Offline Michael Hardner

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I don't think the cars will have to make that choice as it's presented.  It's what they call "an edge case".

That's a long way off anyway.

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I don't think the cars will have to make that choice as it's presented.  It's what they call "an edge case".

That's a long way off anyway.

https://www.mrblaw.com/blog/2018/03/should-self-driving-cars-make-life-and-death-decisions.shtml

The reality is that self-driving vehicles with numerous safety features can still get into accidents. In these cases, what will the vehicle be programmed to do?

A 2017 study showed that people agreed that a vehicle should kill the fewest number of people in an unavoidable accident. The issue of who those people are, however, is trickier.

If a car’s programming tells it to kill the fewest number of people, who will die? A pedestrian? A motorcyclist? Or the occupants of the self-driving vehicle?

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Humans are quite good at risk assessment if properly trained. What they suck at compared to automation is monitoring. Machines don't get distracted or fail asleep.
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When all is said and done I expect that self-driving cars will have far fewer driver-error fatalities per mile driven than human-driven vehicles.

I have a hunch that the real complaint here is going to be that if a self-driving car causes a fatality, we don't know who to blame.

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Offline TimG

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When all is said and done I expect that self-driving cars will have far fewer driver-error fatalities per mile driven than human-driven vehicles.
Some context: 10 pedestrians are killed by cars every day in the US. 1 gets killed by a robo car and it is international news.

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10 pedestrians are killed by cars every day in the US. 1 gets killed by a robo car and it is international news.

Americans drove about 3.2 trillion miles last year
Autonomous vehicles are less than 0.001% that total
Anything more than 0.04 killed is significant
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Americans drove about 3.2 trillion miles last year
Autonomous vehicles are less than 0.001% that total
Anything more than 0.04 killed is significant

Sure but 1 case does not a trend make.
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Pulling the Uber car is politically on the money, but ultimately increases the number of deaths that will happen in the future.  Right ?

I think you'd want to pull them temporarily in case there's a problem or a software bug etc.
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Sure but 1 case does not a trend make.

True, but we do know that there were 5,600 "disengagements" in Waymo (Google) cars last year. Perhaps most of those were not necessary as the human occupant made an error in taking control, but it is hard to say they all were. There also was another totally automated fatality, that one was in a Tesla which hit a tractor trailer crossing an intersection.

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Americans drove about 3.2 trillion miles last year
Autonomous vehicles are less than 0.001% that total
Anything more than 0.04 killed is significant
Basic statistics: you need more than one point to infer a trend line.

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True, but we do know that there were 5,600 "disengagements" in Waymo (Google) cars last year. Perhaps most of those were not necessary as the human occupant made an error in taking control, but it is hard to say they all were. There also was another totally automated fatality, that one was in a Tesla which hit a tractor trailer crossing an intersection.

The human still has to be responsible. A pilot can’t say, not my fault we crashed, the autopilot was on.
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The human still has to be responsible. A pilot can’t say, not my fault we crashed, the autopilot was on.

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