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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #300 on: September 10, 2017, 03:05:30 pm »
You make hyperbolic and insulting statements about groups you dislike in topic titles and throughout your posts.  Just because you are referring to a 'group' doesn't make what you are saying any less of an insult.  You don't call "ideas" stupid, you call "people" stupid.  You are one of the most consistently insulting people I've ever seen on a forum.

I'm never insulting when people make the topic of the conversation about whatever the topic of the conversation is. When they decide their self-righteousness indignation absolutely requires they express their disdain for anyone who has an opinion they dislike - ie, me - then yeah, I tend to express my sad disappointment in what a pathetic lack of maturity and intelligence they possess. Which is why you keep getting slapped down. You're so utterly self-righteous you can't post on any subject without shrilly decrying those who disagree with you.

Might I suggest you get off the internet? Stay home and don't watch TV so you'll be safe from opinions that upset you? A frail, dainty, delicate person like you has no business venturing out into the wild, where opinions aren't  properly filtered and sanitized so they won't offend you.

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #301 on: September 10, 2017, 05:41:07 pm »
I'm never insulting when people make the topic of the conversation about whatever the topic of the conversation is. When they decide their self-righteousness indignation absolutely requires they express their disdain for anyone who has an opinion they dislike - ie, me - then yeah, I tend to express my sad disappointment in what a pathetic lack of maturity and intelligence they possess.

When you start topics with insults and disdain (great word to describe your style, thanks!), as you so often do, and someone responds in kind - who is the one 'starting' it, hmmm?    If you want rational discourse, you wouldn't post the way you do.   You post stuff to get reaction and then pretend to be all so innocent and righteous when you get the reaction you were aiming for. 

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Which is why you keep getting slapped down.   
You only think you've slapped me down because I so often don't see the point in continuing to exchange barbs so I leave the exchange.   

Like now.  But don't worry, I'll be back.   ;D


Offline Omni

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #302 on: September 10, 2017, 07:22:48 pm »

Might I suggest you get off the internet? Stay home and don't watch TV so you'll be safe from opinions that upset you? A frail, dainty, delicate person like you has no business venturing out into the wild, where opinions aren't  properly filtered and sanitized so they won't offend you.

Just the kind of comments that once again proves the point.

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #303 on: September 10, 2017, 09:27:11 pm »
They're NOT doing well 5 and 10 years on. That's the point. And I don't say no one should come. I say that immigration is, in essence, like recruiting employees.
Recruiting employees, which you've acknowledged is plagued by systemic racism.

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #304 on: September 10, 2017, 09:42:28 pm »
Lets keep the insults down, shall we?

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #305 on: September 10, 2017, 09:59:59 pm »
Recruiting employees, which you've acknowledged is plagued by systemic racism.

Again, it's not racism. I'll acknowledge the results might have a  similar effect, but there isn't any intent to keep anyone of a particular race or ethnicity out of a group, but to hire people who will contribute to the group's cohesiveness and efficiency.

In terms of the example I made, I pointed out that a very religious blonde Christian would be no more likely to be hired than a woman in a burqua, and that a Ukrainian with fractured English would be as challenged as an Iranian.

In terms of immigration, the entire reason for the existence of the program is economic. Why, then, would we not recruit the immigrants who are most economically successful? That these immigrants also tend to be from cultures most similar to Canada's is a huge bonus, imho, since I like our culture a lot more than I do the cultures of the majority of our source countries.

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« Reply #306 on: September 10, 2017, 10:19:03 pm »
Again, it's not racism. I'll acknowledge the results might have a  similar effect, but there isn't any intent to keep anyone of a particular race or ethnicity out of a group, but to hire people who will contribute to the group's cohesiveness and efficiency.

In terms of the example I made, I pointed out that a very religious blonde Christian would be no more likely to be hired than a woman in a burqua, and that a Ukrainian with fractured English would be as challenged as an Iranian.

In terms of immigration, the entire reason for the existence of the program is economic. Why, then, would we not recruit the immigrants who are most economically successful? That these immigrants also tend to be from cultures most similar to Canada's is a huge bonus, imho, since I like our culture a lot more than I do the cultures of the majority of our source countries.

Your problem is that you seem to think that only wasp type immigrants are successful, and you simply choose to ignore any data that disputes that assumption.
The world is becoming a smaller place and you you need to adapt or be left behind.

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #307 on: September 10, 2017, 10:28:31 pm »
Your problem is that you seem to think that only wasp type immigrants are successful, and you simply choose to ignore any data that disputes that assumption.
The world is becoming a smaller place and you you need to adapt or be left behind.

I ignore data that disputes that? Like what? The data I'm quoting comes from Canada's immigration department, which echoes a similar study done ten years earlier. If you're asking me to 'adapt' to stupid ideas put out by people who don't bother to support them with logic or facts, then no. Ain't happening.
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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #308 on: September 10, 2017, 10:34:47 pm »
I ignore data that disputes that? Like what? The data I'm quoting comes from Canada's immigration department, which echoes a similar study done ten years earlier. If you're asking me to 'adapt' to stupid ideas put out by people who don't bother to support them with logic or facts, then no. Ain't happening.

Most of your data comes from places like the Fraser Institute and other sites that are equally right wing biased. Adapt away from that? I doubt it.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #309 on: September 11, 2017, 06:38:38 am »
Most of your data comes from places like the Fraser Institute and other sites that are equally right wing biased. Adapt away from that? I doubt it.

I see there being 3 fuzzy levels of sources:

1. Sources that strive, ostensibly, for objectivity but will fail because humans.  Newspapers and network TV news comes to mind.
2. Sources that have a clear opinion and more visible bias but still will avoid posting falsehoods.  Cable news and interest groups come to mind, such as Fraser.
3. Sources that publish falsehoods to get attention.  Most of these are web sites, or web TV like InfoWars.

As such, I think you can analyze the information from #2 by addressing the facts posted.

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« Reply #310 on: September 11, 2017, 07:27:16 am »
I see there being 3 fuzzy levels of sources:

1. Sources that strive, ostensibly, for objectivity but will fail because humans.  Newspapers and network TV news comes to mind.
2. Sources that have a clear opinion and more visible bias but still will avoid posting falsehoods.  Cable news and interest groups come to mind, such as Fraser.
3. Sources that publish falsehoods to get attention.  Most of these are web sites, or web TV like InfoWars.

As such, I think you can analyze the information from #2 by addressing the facts posted.

It's my personal policy to just ignore what the Fraser institute says when it clashes with information from a reputable source.  They have a clear agenda. 

Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #311 on: September 11, 2017, 08:09:37 am »
It's my personal policy to just ignore what the Fraser institute says when it clashes with information from a reputable source.  They have a clear agenda.

Sure, but they do put facts out there.  There are left-wing think tanks too.  I think both need to be addressed.

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« Reply #312 on: September 11, 2017, 08:35:24 am »
Again, it's not racism. I'll acknowledge the results might have a  similar effect, but there isn't any intent to keep anyone of a particular race or ethnicity out of a group
Racism doesn't require intent, discrimination does. That's why I keep reminding you that they're different.

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« Reply #313 on: September 11, 2017, 08:36:35 am »
Sure, but they do put facts out there.  There are left-wing think tanks too.  I think both need to be addressed.
Think Tanks aren't a problem. **** poor methodology is.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #314 on: September 11, 2017, 09:04:02 am »
Think Tanks aren't a problem. **** poor methodology is.

Ok.  In addressing facts, methodology is definitely in play.