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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2017, 06:08:11 pm »
I didn't say it would. I said it would be short. Antifa will get slaughtered. "Getting" weapons is not the same thing as knowing how to use them.

Would that stop the violence ?  One side getting killed by the others ?

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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2017, 06:12:02 pm »
Anyway

You do know the high school dropout rate for Blacks is three times what it is for Whites, right?
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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2017, 06:12:41 pm »
I didn't read all of this but it's about tracking down opponents.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7xxmad/the-alt-right-and-antifa-are-waging-a-new-kind-of-internet-warfare?utm_source=vicefbus

You really wouldn't need much firepower to murder a political opponent by taking them by surprise, so targeted assassinations could be next.

Am I convincing anybody that this is real yet ?

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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2017, 06:23:26 pm »
Well, yes.  Some debates are over.  We don't need to debate the merits of the theory of evolution.  We don't need to debate fundamental human rights, including things like gay and trans rights.  We don't need to debate global warming. 

Debating those things as if they're debatable is more closed minded than considering them settled.

Settled? You think global warming is settled? What are we going to do about it? Don't say carbon taxes. Even if they worked (at MASSIVE cost) the effect would be virtually insignificant.

Human rights? I'm all for human rights. The ones like freedom of speech, religion, assembly, etc (you know, the ones so much of the Left hates). Some of the new ones aren't human rights. The Left has turned them into human rights. It's not a human right to be addressed by whatever made-up pronoun you desire. It's not a human right to undress and wag your wiener in a room full of ten year old girls. It's not a human right to be free of being offended or insulted, or having your religious values questioned. It's not and should not be a human right to have the government take care of all your needs. I even hear some idiots saying access to high speed internet is a human right. The idiots on the supreme court said, a few years ago, that the federal government was violating peoples rights if it tried to close down a clinic where they used illegal narcotics. Yes, using illegal narcotics is now a human right!

Not freedom of speech, though, or at least, not for people the Left doesn't like.
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2017, 06:24:29 pm »
Except you did not give example of facts

There were several studies cited in those links.  See, that's the kind of thing that's not open for debate.

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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2017, 06:25:20 pm »
You think white men are more biased in favour of hiring their own than Black or Brown men or women? Muslims or Jews or Hindus?

If you do, why? If not, why say it?

Every study but one has shown what I said to be the case.

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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2017, 06:25:48 pm »
Would that stop the violence ?  One side getting killed by the others ?

Inevitably.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2017, 06:26:09 pm »
Every study but one has shown what I said to be the case.

You didn't answer my question.
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« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2017, 06:28:14 pm »
Settled? You think global warming is settled? What are we going to do about it? Don't say carbon taxes. Even if they worked (at MASSIVE cost) the effect would be virtually insignificant.

Carbon taxes actually do work.  To have the needed effect (because AGW is settled), they would have to be something like $289 a ton.  That's why you need a combination of factors - conservation, energy efficiency improvements, coal phase out, oil phase out, carbon taxes, reforestation, carbon sequestration, etc.

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Human rights? I'm all for human rights. The ones like freedom of speech, religion, assembly, etc (you know, the ones so much of the Left hates). Some of the new ones aren't human rights.

Sure they are - you just haven't kept up with progress.

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Not freedom of speech, though, or at least, not for people the Left doesn't like.

Speech should be free - but everything has limits.

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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2017, 06:28:49 pm »
You didn't answer my question.

I think that, because it's the case.

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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2017, 06:29:31 pm »
Inevitably.

I don't see this happening so cleanly.  Maybe, but not likely.

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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2017, 06:48:28 pm »
Inevitably.

History has proven that wrong soooo many times.

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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2017, 06:59:31 pm »
Carbon taxes actually do work.  To have the needed effect (because AGW is settled), they would have to be something like $289 a ton.

In other words they don't work. Saying something would work if we were willing to massively curtail our standard of living is not the same as saying they will work. Besides, which, all a high carbon tax does is push carbon intensive industries to regimes which have no tax, thus incentivizing them to have no carbon tax.

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Sure they are - you just haven't kept up with progress.

No, not everything you think would be nice is a human right. It is not a human right to sit on your ass and do nothing and have me feed, cloth and shelter you.

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Speech should be free - but everything has limits.

Really? And who gets to set the limits? You? Progressives? Because we've already seen that to progressives, the only speech they feel should be protected is theirs.
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2017, 06:59:53 pm »
History has proven that wrong soooo many times.

Name one.
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Re: Right/Left Identity Politics
« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2017, 07:01:32 pm »
I think that, because it's the case.

So you won't answer the question. Noted. Here's another. If it's wrong for a hiring manager to discriminate because he feels that's best for his company, why is it right to discriminate because progressives  feel it's best for society?
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum