Mathematics is as real as music. Neither were invented as they always existed. Humans just discovered them.

No, you are wrong there.

If mathematics is real, why doesn't PI end ? It's called a "real" number but more tellingly it's an "irrational" number. That means that it doesn't map to the real world. In fact, nothing does when it comes to mathematics, nothing does. Unless it's counting human-made things like votes, you will never get 100% precision on anything to do with the real world.

Mathematics was invented to do accounting and that's where it feels most at home.

Music is sound, and sound is real. But "music" is a human interpretation of sound isn't it ?

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I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just conveying philosophies and ideas that I have read and some I have come up with. The thread is supposed to be an exploration...