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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2017, 08:49:14 pm »
I've been there a long time. That's why I can remember better days. Anyway, look at all the posts here. The only reason they're posting here is because they feel less constrained here than they do there. Well, and the crazies aren't here.

I have been there 14 years.

I won't get any good comments on some of the topics if I post there. 

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« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2017, 09:27:23 am »
I have been there 14 years.

I won't get any good comments on some of the topics if I post there.

Well, you are something of an elitist... so only special people would contribute appropriately.  :D

A couple of weeks ago I posted something to can.politics in the late afternoon. When I next visited the site the next day there had been no posts since I had last posted. In the old days there predictably would have been scores of new posts. So traffic is way down. And a lot of the more discerning posters have left, not just because of the moderation but the proliferation of crazies (and the moderation which comes down on anyone who makes fun of them).
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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2017, 04:16:24 pm »
1) Well, you are something of an elitist... so only special people would contribute appropriately.  :D

2) A couple of weeks ago I posted something to can.politics in the late afternoon. When I next visited the site the next day there had been no posts since I had last posted. In the old days there predictably would have been scores of new posts. So traffic is way down. And a lot of the more discerning posters have left, not just because of the moderation but the proliferation of crazies (and the moderation which comes down on anyone who makes fun of them).

1) Hey - you're saying it, I can't deny it but in my defence: I'm talking about boring, repetitive topics.  That's not an elitist thing.  It's not accurate or fair to say that I only discuss things with people who agree with me.

2) The crazies are not just crazies but boring crazies.  There have been out-there posters in the past that I could find interesting.  But the 9/11 guy, the bible lady and all the pro-Trump nuts and Muslim haters are just dull, dull, dull for the most part.

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« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2017, 09:02:46 pm »
And a lot of the more discerning posters have left, not just because of the moderation but the proliferation of crazies (and the moderation which comes down on anyone who makes fun of them).

True, I left when I was the one who got shut down for calling out a troll, but you know what really did me in?  When Greg shut down the moderating thread and told everyone who doesn't like it to find another forum. 

The whole team seems so oblivious and uninterested in hearing about the grievances of the participants, it was disconcerting. 

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« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2017, 09:28:16 pm »
That thread was ridiculous.  It went on forever, and people even trolled each other on the thread itself.

Greg probably had a bad day.  It didn't matter though because everything went back to the way it was.

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« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2017, 09:43:36 pm »
Months ago Greg promised me change, and wanted to have a conversation about the way things are and what should change.  I have yet to get a follow up message.

Michael, I don't think anyone is blaming you personally.  Things simply went south to the point where many of us didn't feel welcome anymore.
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« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2017, 10:08:09 pm »
Michael, I don't think anyone is blaming you personally.  Things simply went south to the point where many of us didn't feel welcome anymore.

Agreed. 

I mean I can see the other side of the argument too and how they want an egalitarian forum where everyone is treated with respect no matter how bat-**** crazy.  I also get why thread drifts were such a contentious issue even if I don't personally agree they were that big of a deal, but overall, it just became a bit much.

But at least now we have this hidden gem and MH even gets to be one of the appreciated participants so it's a win.

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« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2017, 11:57:08 pm »
Except when you create a forum where you can't call out the batshit crazy stuff for what it actually is, then that forum needs to burn.

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« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2017, 05:50:21 am »
Months ago Greg promised me change, and wanted to have a conversation about the way things are and what should change.  I have yet to get a follow up message.

Michael, I don't think anyone is blaming you personally.  Things simply went south to the point where many of us didn't feel welcome anymore.

Greg is busy and he leaves the moderation to cover must of the duties.  That's how he does it.

I don't think anyone was blaming me personally.  I think it's overstating it if you think you weren't "welcome".  Clearly, everybody is "welcome".

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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2017, 05:51:15 am »
Except when you create a forum where you can't call out the batshit crazy stuff for what it actually is, then that forum needs to burn.

You can call out the crazy, but you can't stop it.

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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2017, 07:35:47 am »
Complaining about moderation at MLW is like oxygen.

People complain about over-moderation and under-moderation equally.  That means it's just right.

No, it means it's terrible.  Some aspects have been over-moderated like thread drift which was never a big problem to me for many years but for some reason became a pet project for the mods the last couple of years...and also the suspensions a few years ago, which drove off many users.  And some are under-moderated, like trolling.

Greg and Charles are arrogant fools who drove that site into the ground.  They don't give a crap about the opinions of the posters, even though they sometimes give lip service & "polls".  Charles treats everyone like dumb children who are far below his mighty maturity & intellect.  Like any politician in office too long, power corrupts.

It's Greg's board, he can control how the board is and isn't moderated, so ultimately it's his fault.

That place was run like a totalitarian dictatorship, this place is run more like a democracy.  Smallc actually gives a rat without an ego & a puffed out chest getting in the way.
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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2017, 08:11:21 am »
Some aspects have been over-moderated like thread drift which was never a big problem to me for many years but for some reason became a pet project for the mods the last couple of years...and also the suspensions a few years ago, which drove off many users.  And some are under-moderated, like trolling.

Thread Drift is something that the moderators have been given as a directive to keep the discussion in the lanes.  I don't see what is such a big deal about staying on topic, or opening a new thread if required frankly. 

Trolling is a hilarious topic because 1/2 the people want you to ban one set of people and the other 1/2 want you to ban the other set.

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Greg and Charles are arrogant fools who drove that site into the ground.  They don't give a crap about the opinions of the posters, even though they sometimes give lip service & "polls".   

The site seems to still be quite active so I don't buy that argument.  They do care about the posters.

 
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That place was run like a totalitarian dictatorship, this place is run more like a democracy.  Smallc actually gives a rat without an ego & a puffed out chest getting in the way.

The personal attributes of the moderators are what they are.  Moderators you LIKE aren't going to be necessarily more successful than ones you don't, though. 

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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2017, 08:45:40 am »
Trolling is a hilarious topic because 1/2 the people want you to ban one set of people and the other 1/2 want you to ban the other set.

Yes i realize that but you also have to realize that a left-wing troll will troll a right-winger far more often than a fellow lefty, and vice versa.  Yes i'm sure a fair amount of the troll reporting is just partisan bitterness, but i see trolling examples on the left & right where it's been consistent.
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« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2017, 09:50:11 am »
... but i see trolling examples on the left & right where it's been consistent.

If people don't complain about their own side then it's going to look like a partisan issue.

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« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2017, 10:08:29 am »
If people don't complain about their own side then it's going to look like a partisan issue.

i agree.
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