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Offline BC_cheque

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« on: September 22, 2017, 07:09:01 pm »
I know everyone is really excited about the multiple threads discussing Muslims and Islam and I hate to take away your attention from a topic that is often so overlooked, but has anyone been following this story?

Apparently a woman and her kids were in the library and they witnessed a man watching explicit **** on a public computer station.  At first the library shrugged and muttered a little meh about personal freedoms, but as the controversy grew, they've now decided it's not a good idea.

First, let me say that I am not anti-**** by any means; I would even consider myself a fan.  I also have no issues with my present or previous partners watching **** and I cringe when people think it's cheating or destructive even in moderation.

But... in a library?!?  Oh god no.  There is a time and place for everything and I can't believe there was ever a question of whether or not someone's right to watch **** should override the freedom of others to go to a public library without seeing unwanted sexual imagery on a computer screen.

Does anyone here think the library is making the wrong call on this issue?


https://globalnews.ca/news/3758425/ottawa-libraries-to-introduce-new-rules-after-pornography-controversy/

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 07:18:20 pm »
I agree with you and five stars for the thread title.

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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 08:20:52 pm »
I know everyone is really excited about the multiple threads discussing Muslims and Islam and I hate to take away your attention from a topic that is often so overlooked, but has anyone been following this story?

Apparently a woman and her kids were in the library and they witnessed a man watching explicit **** on a public computer station.  At first the library shrugged and muttered a little meh about personal freedoms, but as the controversy grew, they've now decided it's not a good idea.

First, let me say that I am not anti-**** by any means; I would even consider myself a fan.  I also have no issues with my present or previous partners watching **** and I cringe when people think it's cheating or destructive even in moderation.

But... in a library?!?  Oh god no.  There is a time and place for everything and I can't believe there was ever a question of whether or not someone's right to watch **** should override the freedom of others to go to a public library without seeing unwanted sexual imagery on a computer screen.

Does anyone here think the library is making the wrong call on this issue?


https://globalnews.ca/news/3758425/ottawa-libraries-to-introduce-new-rules-after-pornography-controversy/

Was it a Muslim man?   Just kidding.   ;)

I agree the library is not the place to be looking at ****.  The library has sort of tightened its policy, but its still not against the rules.  Apparently most libraries have similar **** friendly policies.  Weird.

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 09:29:22 pm »
So ... uh, why don't library computer stations have a little more privacy?

I mean, disregarding the **** issue, people without personal computers of their own might rely on the library computer for things like banking, sending job applications, reading personal email, or any number of other reasonable uses where someone might not want a mom and her yard-apes watching over his shoulder.

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 10:06:45 pm »
I once took my little girls to Richmond Public Library, as was our wont at the time, pre internet, for a browse.  They had a major photographic exhibition on at the time, recounting the Japanese massacre of the population of Nanjing in the late 1930s.  I was forced to point out to them that a little warning would have been a good idea.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2017, 10:07:20 am »
Anyone with a PC can get as much **** as they want. Not to mention its on TV if you have cable. A guy told me once about how he was playing poker around eleven at night with his buds in the kitchen and as he went to the bathroom and passed the living room he saw his 11 year old daughter watching a **** movie on TV. When he shouted at her to go to bed she said "Aw, wait till the movie is over!"

You can't hide kids from this stuff so you might as well explain it to them as best you can. As for someone looking at **** in the library? That's kind of pathetic on several levels, but it's a big 'meh' to me.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2017, 10:09:41 am »
I once took my little girls to Richmond Public Library, as was our wont at the time, pre internet, for a browse.  They had a major photographic exhibition on at the time, recounting the Japanese massacre of the population of Nanjing in the late 1930s.  I was forced to point out to them that a little warning would have been a good idea.

I was looking at a you tube clip of Sopranos murder, and someone commented that you could show this sort of violence on TV and on You tube. But they're desperately determined that no one should see a pair of breasts.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2017, 11:19:36 am »
I was looking at a you tube clip of Sopranos murder, and someone commented that you could show this sort of violence on TV and on You tube. But they're desperately determined that no one should see a pair of breasts.
Funny enough, this is the exact criticism that the South Park movie was trying to expose.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2017, 12:33:07 pm »
I was looking at a you tube clip of Sopranos murder, and someone commented that you could show this sort of violence on TV and on You tube. But they're desperately determined that no one should see a pair of breasts.

A pair of breasts should be normal.  Even simulation of sex on TV is no problem IMO. 

However, watching explicit **** is comparable to watching a snuff film where someone is killed and their body parts are hacked off. 

Surely, I don't think anyone thinks that level of violence should be on TV?

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 12:37:15 pm »
I agree the library is not the place to be looking at ****.  The library has sort of tightened its policy, but its still not against the rules.  Apparently most libraries have similar **** friendly policies.  Weird.

It is weird, right?  Just as in a time and place for things and that not being one of them.

I suppose they could provide more privacy but then they'd run into the trouble of lewd behaviour which is a different kind of problem.

Who doesn't have a smart phone these days anyway?  There really shouldn't be a need to watch **** on a public computer in this day and age.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 01:58:44 pm »


Who doesn't have a smart phone these days anyway?  There really shouldn't be a need to watch **** on a public computer in this day and age.

People on welfare and disability often don't have smart phones, even if they do have a cell phone.  Or they may be operating on a prepay card part of the month, and doing without the rest of the month.   

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2017, 02:23:11 pm »
People on welfare and disability often don't have smart phones, even if they do have a cell phone.  Or they may be operating on a prepay card part of the month, and doing without the rest of the month.   

I guess sometimes, one just has to learn to do without...
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2017, 04:32:06 pm »
A pair of breasts should be normal.  Even simulation of sex on TV is no problem IMO. 

However, watching explicit **** is comparable to watching a snuff film where someone is killed and their body parts are hacked off. 

Whaaaa??  :o
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2017, 07:15:02 pm »
Whaaaa??  :o

You were comparing violence on TV to nudity and I'm saying that subject really doesn't have much merit when it comes to comes to a discussion about ****.

Violence on TV is simulated and often not gory unless specified as adult content.  **** is real sex and it's graphic, so a similar comparison would be a snuff film (real violence and gore).

A better comparison to the Sopranos would be a simulated sex scene in an adult-themed TV show, which frankly, is NOT a rarity.


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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2017, 09:14:46 am »
You were comparing violence on TV to nudity and I'm saying that subject really doesn't have much merit when it comes to comes to a discussion about ****.

You know that x-rated **** is now available without even subscribing to a **** channel, right? It's on the movie channels overnight.

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Violence on TV is simulated and often not gory unless specified as adult content.

Violence in the Sopranos and similar shows can be VERY graphic, very realistic, and very  bloody.

Another comparison would be horror movies, where they work very hard to make them as violently gory as possible, with decapitations, disembowelments, etc. People will let their kids go to see that but be horrified at a mild **** movie. I still remember one movie - don't even remember the name, where a woman had her entire skin torn off, to hang there like a fleshy doll, screaming... I don't remember any **** movies I saw when younger, though. They didn't leave much of an impression.
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