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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2023, 01:12:42 am »
How is the Death of God not going well ?

Did you even read what you wrote?

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…we have to work our morality out ourselves.  It's not going well.

How is working our own morality out for ourselves not going well?

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« Reply #91 on: May 25, 2023, 06:45:52 am »
Do you not see some strife in the world?

I get that this line of question is driven by your simple distaste for religion, but can't you see that sometimes positive changes have short term or even medium-term negative effects?

The death of God is the end of a horizon of possibilities, of a directional beacon for Western culture. Like the industrial revolution, it may be a good thing, but the interregnum is terrifying.

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« Reply #92 on: May 25, 2023, 02:52:33 pm »
Do you not see some strife in the world?

I get that this line of question is driven by your simple distaste for religion, but can't you see that sometimes positive changes have short term or even medium-term negative effects?

The death of God is the end of a horizon of possibilities, of a directional beacon for Western culture. Like the industrial revolution, it may be a good thing, but the interregnum is terrifying.

Ah yes, who can forget the famously strife-free time when religion ruled everything.
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« Reply #93 on: May 25, 2023, 03:28:28 pm »
Ah yes, who can forget the famously strife-free time when religion ruled everything.

Can we not see that these things are simultaneously true:

1) The end of religion is an inevitable and overall positive evolution of human understanding of ourselves and the universe

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2) It causes a giant void, and a short/medium term existential problem in that so much of society and culture was built on religion

Are BD and SVS disputing that ?

You can talk about the problems of the end of religion without pining for religion to return.

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« Reply #94 on: May 25, 2023, 03:47:38 pm »
Can we not see that these things are simultaneously true:

1) The end of religion is an inevitable and overall positive evolution of human understanding of ourselves and the universe

and

2) It causes a giant void, and a short/medium term existential problem in that so much of society and culture was built on religion

Are BD and SVS disputing that ?

You can talk about the problems of the end of religion without pining for religion to return.

Well, what do you mean by the end of religion and what specific things are missing as a result?

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« Reply #95 on: May 25, 2023, 08:38:21 pm »
Well, what do you mean by the end of religion and what specific things are missing as a result?

Religion as a dominant cultural influence in 'the west' to use shorthand. 

What is missing ?  For many of us, nothing, but it seems to me that a segment of the population may have lost its moral ceiling, so to speak.  It's definitely a lot more difficult for leaders to demand things like caring, generosity and certain values that were ostensibly (word selected purposefully here) values held by these nations.

Of course we can question whether/why/how these were actually used but they were values that were referred to.  The fact is that there's a new landscape to moral and metaphysical public thought.  How does that affect things ?  It's worth asking.

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« Reply #96 on: May 25, 2023, 08:44:49 pm »
But if Christianity is defined by empathy, caring, and generosity, these values are rampant and out of control in our society, as discussed in the Woke Culture thread.
"I have worked hard to represent people of all backgrounds and I have always done so in a spirit of tolerance. My reference to the term 'tar baby' was a common reference that refers to issues that stick to one." - Pierre Poilievre
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« Reply #97 on: May 25, 2023, 08:59:04 pm »
But if Christianity is defined by empathy, caring, and generosity, these values are rampant and out of control in our society, as discussed in the Woke Culture thread.

Right.

The paradox is that sinners were ostracized and demonized and as a result they were invisible, but there was still more of a pulpit around caring for the 'downtrodden' and such.

Don't ask me to back any of this up, I'm exploring here... but something seems different there.  It's about open war with sinners and utter ignorance about poverty and lack of self-examination, humility etc.  Worship of materialism...
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« Reply #98 on: May 25, 2023, 09:30:39 pm »
But if Christianity is defined by empathy, caring, and generosity, these values are rampant and out of control in our society, as discussed in the Woke Culture thread.

The majority of Christians are garbage human beings.

40% of Americans attend church while less than 15% of Canadians do.
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Re: Philosophy Culture
« Reply #99 on: June 28, 2023, 09:16:05 am »
Ansley Frawley is a very unique individual with deep thoughts on society and politics - a UK academic who came from Northern Ontario FN background.

Very interesting person, though I barely ever agree with her all the way.

Here she's showing how self-focus (which is a feature and offering of the commercial and education world currently) isn't necessarily a great idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61jGzHrfgXQ

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« Reply #100 on: June 28, 2023, 10:11:45 am »
Famous German Marxist HATES 60s protest music about Vietnam.  oh well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-njxKF8CkoU

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Re: Philosophy Culture
« Reply #101 on: June 28, 2023, 11:18:09 am »
More on the Frankfurt School... the birthplace of so-called Cultural Marxism.

Cute host (age appropriate) points out that Ben Shapiro and other right-wing critics agree with the basics of what the FS said but attribute it to a kind of grand conspiracy (not sure) not properly to the profit motive of the culture industry.

Of course this is all crazy right ?  Right ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXoFpC6GdRA

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« Reply #102 on: September 15, 2023, 10:40:52 pm »
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Re: Philosophy Culture
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2023, 04:35:15 am »