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Offline MH

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« Reply #360 on: October 22, 2018, 08:14:04 pm »
But that's like THE defining belief of Christianity. 

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That's why I came in 2nd.  I would say that I'm Christian but most rank the divinity part higher than the philosophy.

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« Reply #361 on: October 22, 2018, 08:16:38 pm »
LOL

No, Buddhism and Christianity are not close ...

I dunno... I got almost identical points... maybe 1 less for Christianity....

How are they different exactly ?  I read Siddhartha but I didn't study Buddhism

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« Reply #362 on: October 22, 2018, 11:21:29 pm »
I dunno... I got almost identical points... maybe 1 less for Christianity....

So you think some online test gives an accurate representation of which religion you should be?

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How are they different exactly ?  I read Siddhartha but I didn't study Buddhism

Well, Buddhism doesn't have a belief in a divine Jesus....  Christianity does.  That's kind of a big difference...   I'm sure there's a thousand others you can google...


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« Reply #363 on: October 22, 2018, 11:28:46 pm »
That's why I came in 2nd.  I would say that I'm Christian but most rank the divinity part higher than the philosophy.

I think most would say that you can't really call yourself a Christian if you don't accept the central premise of Christianity, no matter how much the general philosophy appeals to you. It would be like saying...

"I don't have any aboriginal ancestry, but I still consider myself an aboriginal Canadian because I care about the environment" ...

"I still like to eat meat, but I consider myself a vegan because vegetables are an important part of my diet" ...

"I don't believe that we should destroy industrial machinery, but I still consider myself a Luddite because I feel like people spend too much time on their cell-phones" ...

"I don't believe that the World Trade Center was destroyed by a US or Israeli government conspiracy, but I do consider myself a 9/11 Truthie because they make an important point about the importance of questioning what we're told"...

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« Reply #364 on: October 22, 2018, 11:51:28 pm »
I supppose you can be a “cultural Christian”....   
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« Reply #365 on: October 23, 2018, 12:03:55 am »
I don’t think one needs a religion to implement good philosophies.

Western civilization seemed to figure this out a few centuries ago with the Enlightenment but apparently we still have some hangers-on who still believe religion > rationality.

Some people like easy answers ordered on them instead of using their own brain.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.

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« Reply #366 on: October 23, 2018, 12:06:26 am »
I'm just so happy I kicked that religious crap out the door so long ago.

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« Reply #367 on: October 23, 2018, 12:19:58 am »
"I believe this and this and this, and I'm looking for a religion that fits my views" is kind of the opposite of how a religion is supposed to work, isn't it?

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« Reply #368 on: October 23, 2018, 12:57:14 am »
I believe that if there is a God in heaven and I one day get they he or she will welcome me and and say thanks for not buying into the bullshit people there use to run around killing people in my name. How 'bout a beer?

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« Reply #369 on: October 23, 2018, 05:48:11 am »
I think most would say that you can't really call yourself a Christian if you don't accept the central premise of Christianity, no matter how much the general philosophy appeals to you. It would be like saying...

Yeah but I think if Jesus could comment on this, he would say that his divinity was NEVER the central premise.  The teachings were.

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"I don't have any aboriginal ancestry, but I still consider myself an aboriginal Canadian because I care about the environment" ...

Bad analogy.

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"I still like to eat meat, but I consider myself a vegan because vegetables are an important part of my diet" ...

Bad analogy.

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"I don't believe that we should destroy industrial machinery, but I still consider myself a Luddite because I feel like people spend too much time on their cell-phones" ...

Better, but still bad analogy.

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"I don't believe that the World Trade Center was destroyed by a US or Israeli government conspiracy, but I do consider myself a 9/11 Truthie because they make an important point about the importance of questioning what we're told"...

Bad analogy.

It's more about the deterioration of epistemic integrity.  A guy shows up, takes Rabbi Hillel's teachings and transforms this and says ... "if you follow me, then you need to do this above all things: treat people as you would like to be treated".  It's brilliant, as it turns subjectivity about how you are treated by others on its head, and turns it into how to treat others.  If everyone followed this, the world would be a better place.  If HALF of people followed it, then the world would be better.

Then Saint Paul shows up, and starts promoting this idea.  He's on commission so the more converts he gets, the more fame and fortune for him... he eventually martyrs himself but his work ultimately converts the Roman Emperor.  Along the way, rumours of his magical powers eclipse the message but the message is still there, intact.

By the 20th century, the message is corrupted and people are using it 180 degrees incorrectly.

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Now, should I be blamed for following the initial message and declaring myself a true Christian ?  I say no.

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Another way to look at it: if my mom told everyone she was a hussy would she be right ?  Hussy is an old word meaning 'housewife' that changed meaning.  Maybe she is right, but maybe she should only tell her friends she is a hussy.  I don't tell people who don't know me I'm a Christian, only people who know I am socially liberal and never go to church.

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« Reply #370 on: October 23, 2018, 05:49:06 am »
I supppose you can be a “cultural Christian”....

I convinced by beautifully debauched Burner buddy... a bisexual acid lover... that Burning Man is the most Christian festival there is.

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« Reply #371 on: October 23, 2018, 09:46:12 am »
I convinced by beautifully debauched Burner buddy... a bisexual acid lover... that Burning Man is the most Christian festival there is.

He was wrong. 

And you seem to ignore everything Jesus said, except for a couple passages.  Divinity is central to Christianity, which you also ignore. 

 

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« Reply #372 on: October 23, 2018, 11:19:18 am »
He was wrong. 

And you seem to ignore everything Jesus said, except for a couple passages.  Divinity is central to Christianity, which you also ignore.

Jesus is unique in history for the amount of effort analyzing, interpreting and rewriting his words.

Luckily, over all the contradictions he said 'this above all'.

I think that interpreting such things is personal, and subjective.

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« Reply #373 on: October 28, 2018, 06:49:16 pm »
Oops.  Baby time !  :o
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« Reply #374 on: October 28, 2018, 07:24:04 pm »
Oops.  Baby time !  :o

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