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« Reply #2070 on: March 15, 2023, 07:41:08 am »
Really what was new was that people weren't used to having to do risk assessments on their own. The natural anxiety was exploited by offshore interests, who inflamed the conspiracy set.
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« Reply #2071 on: March 15, 2023, 09:48:05 am »
Actually you’re quite wrong.  Parents have always had concerns with vaccinating children to some degree, but that concerned had waned due to a vigorous process of trials for safety.  These new covid vaccines never went through the normal process of trials and safety. You’re conflating existing vaccines with long term studies and data, with vaccines without that, related to a virus that doesn’t effect children in the same way as adults.

I would bet my house you are incapable of articulating how the process of testing and approving COVID vaccines differed from other vaccines.

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« Reply #2072 on: March 15, 2023, 10:02:57 am »
Really what was new was that people weren't used to having to do risk assessments on their own. The natural anxiety was exploited by offshore interests, who inflamed the conspiracy set.
The timeline for approval was significantly decreased.  Vaccines are usually tested over several years to determine possible long term side effects.

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« Reply #2073 on: March 15, 2023, 11:06:48 am »
Actually you’re quite wrong.  Parents have always had concerns with vaccinating children to some degree, but that concerned had waned due to a vigorous process of trials for safety.  These new covid vaccines never went through the normal process of trials and safety.  You’re conflating existing vaccines with long term studies and data, with vaccines without that, related to a virus that doesn’t effect children in the same way as adults.

"In 2014, a large measles outbreak swept through the Disneyland theme park in California, infecting over 50 people. Several of the children who initially spread the disease were intentionally left unvaccinated by their parents.

Outbreaks such as the one in the Disneyland theme park are becoming increasingly common due to falling vaccination rates. Undoubtedly, organized anti-vaccination groups have contributed to the drop in vaccination compliance and anxieties concerning vaccination. These groups often have a strong presence on social media and well-developed websites that attract people to their cause. But these sites have drawn very little critical attention. In order to combat falling vaccination rates, it is important for those supporting vaccination to be aware of, examine, and counter the claims of these groups."

source:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5489284/

This article is from 2017, long before COVID appeared.  The anti-vaxx movement has been extremely dangerous, and in the last few years, the World has seen the consequences of this. The anti-vaxx people are less concerned about the health and welfare of children, and more concerned about personal politics. It boggles my mind how seemingly intelligent people, such as yourself, can hold these bizarre positions.

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« Reply #2074 on: March 15, 2023, 11:23:00 am »
"In 2014, a large measles outbreak swept through the Disneyland theme park in California, infecting over 50 people. Several of the children who initially spread the disease were intentionally left unvaccinated by their parents.

Outbreaks such as the one in the Disneyland theme park are becoming increasingly common due to falling vaccination rates. Undoubtedly, organized anti-vaccination groups have contributed to the drop in vaccination compliance and anxieties concerning vaccination. These groups often have a strong presence on social media and well-developed websites that attract people to their cause. But these sites have drawn very little critical attention. In order to combat falling vaccination rates, it is important for those supporting vaccination to be aware of, examine, and counter the claims of these groups."

source:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5489284/

This article is from 2017, long before COVID appeared.  The anti-vaxx movement has been extremely dangerous, and in the last few years, the World has seen the consequences of this. The anti-vaxx people are less concerned about the health and welfare of children, and more concerned about personal politics. It boggles my mind how seemingly intelligent people, such as yourself, can hold these bizarre positions.
The anti-vaccine “community” pre-covid was like 1% of the population.  Completely overblown.  Regardless, the covid vaccines were expedited and did not follow normal vaccine protocol.  That’s a fact.  It normally takes several years to bring a new vaccine for use.

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« Reply #2075 on: March 15, 2023, 11:24:00 am »
The timeline for approval was significantly decreased.  Vaccines are usually tested over several years to determine possible long term side effects.

Why not prove to us that the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID itself. I mean you're whole argument is to downplay the negative effects of COVID (no worse than the common cold), and exaggerate the side effects of the vaccines.

You must have proof from reliable sources to validate your point..
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« Reply #2076 on: March 15, 2023, 11:26:04 am »
The anti-vaccine “community” pre-covid was like 1% of the population.  Completely overblown.  Regardless, the covid vaccines were expedited and did not follow normal vaccine protocol.  That’s a fact.  It normally takes several years to bring a new vaccine for use.

I just provided a reliable source, that the anti-vaxx movement is growing in numbers, and you respond by saying "No! You're wrong!"

Can you at least try to prove your point, rather than result to unproven rhetoric?

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« Reply #2077 on: March 15, 2023, 11:32:41 am »
The anti-vaccine “community” pre-covid was like 1% of the population.  Completely overblown.  Regardless, the covid vaccines were expedited and did not follow normal vaccine protocol. That’s a fact.  It normally takes several years to bring a new vaccine for use.

So what.

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« Reply #2078 on: March 15, 2023, 11:33:25 am »
Why not prove to us that the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID itself. I mean you're whole argument is to downplay the negative effects of COVID (no worse than the common cold), and exaggerate the side effects of the vaccines.

You must have proof from reliable sources to validate your point..

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« Reply #2079 on: March 15, 2023, 12:12:05 pm »
The timeline for approval was significantly decreased.  Vaccines are usually tested over several years to determine possible long term side effects.

Right.  So people had to assess this.

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« Reply #2080 on: March 15, 2023, 12:44:52 pm »
The timeline for approval was significantly decreased.  Vaccines are usually tested over several years to determine possible long term side effects.
You sound like a different person from when you were gushing praise and thanks to Trump for Operation Warp Speed. Amazing how a change in administration immediately brings a complete change in your worldview.

Remember this? "Thank you operation warp speed.  Thank you America.  You’re indispensable in the world. ...Thank you President Trump!"
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« Reply #2081 on: March 15, 2023, 01:21:58 pm »
Here's another good one.

Once again Gov. Covid is failing the people of New York.  Oh wait, I mean, Trump’s fault! 🤣

New York has administered less than a third of COVID vaccine it has
https://nypost.com/2020/12/31/ny-has-administered-less-than-a-third-of-covid-vaccine-it-has/


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« Reply #2082 on: March 15, 2023, 05:18:15 pm »
Right.  So people had to assess this.
I agree, but when it’s mandated, it’s wrong.
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« Reply #2083 on: March 15, 2023, 05:22:20 pm »
I agree, but when it’s mandated, it’s wrong.

It wasn't always fair as it was mandated I agree.

You may get a hint though of how normal people felt about the Vax conspiracy.  I personally didn't give a **** about people getting fired at that time, given the sheer lunacy of these people. I have since relented.  I had a sad acquaintance who got arrested a lot.

Just a pathetic conspiracy dude.  My bleeding socialist side feels sorry for his antiVax libertarian ass

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« Reply #2084 on: March 15, 2023, 05:26:01 pm »
You sound like a different person from when you were gushing praise and thanks to Trump for Operation Warp Speed. Amazing how a change in administration immediately brings a complete change in your worldview.

Remember this? "Thank you operation warp speed.  Thank you America.  You’re indispensable in the world. ...Thank you President Trump!"
Operation Warp Speed provided for funding, and provided financial guarantees for companies that spent a lot of money on research and development of the vaccines.  There’s nothing wrong with that.  The approval of these vaccines were independent of Operation Warp Speed, and was conducted by the FDA/CDC.

Anyways, this is thread drift, all because I pointed out that the only good thing about MH getting covid recently is that at least he’ll have high immunity.  But to Branch Covidians, that’s interpreted as shot against their precious vaccines.  So they feel the need to attack the basic and accepted scientific concept of your body producing antibodies during an infection and your immune system recognizing the same or similar viruses in the future.