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Offline ?Impact

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Re: Oscars 2018: anybody give a crap?
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2018, 02:13:52 pm »
I thought we were talking about the 2018 Oscars, not 1990. I don't think Die Hard 2 even received any nominations so it is irrelevant anyway.

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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2018, 02:20:34 pm »
Molly's Game and the Florida Project are two terrific movies that got very little attention. (supporting actor and adapted screenplay)

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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2018, 02:25:27 pm »
It was a rhetorical question. Art is subjective and there is no real distinction between the "art" loved by small groups of people and the "art" loved by large groups of people. Nor is there is any reason to say that movies loved by small groups of people who have particular definition of what they call "art" are better than "art" in the form of mass marketed action films.
Thats’s your opinion and were it true, then students in fine arts could never be graded on their work, could they?
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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2018, 05:16:25 am »
I thought we were talking about the 2018 Oscars, not 1990. I don't think Die Hard 2 even received any nominations so it is irrelevant anyway.

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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2018, 09:38:17 am »
?  I LOVED Die Hard 2 AND Die Hard 3. 

You do realize that Die Hard 1 was the only one that was set in an office building, right?

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« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2018, 10:41:24 am »
You do realize that Die Hard 1 was the only one that was set in an office building, right?

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Why is that relevant ?   I haven't seen it anyway.

Oh right.  Office movies are artsy or ?  Dunno Kimmz, uLOSTme...

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« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2018, 01:00:56 pm »
It is the big night!

Reading the predictions and the logic behind the predictions is a reminder that these awards aren't actually about "quality".

You get rationales like Gary Oldman will win Best Actor because "he's due", or voters will give Jordan Peele the Best Original Screenplay as a consolation prize for not winning Best Picture or Best Director, or because after #OscarsSoWhite they have to give Peele at least one award.

This sort of thing happens every year... so and so gets an award because it might be his last chance and he deserves at least one Oscar for his great career. Or "man, after all the negative attention, we have to pick Halle Berry or we'll never hear the end of it" and so on.

I've added Ladybird to the list of things I plan on watching.   However, I haven't added tonight's ceremony to the list of things I plan on watching.

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« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2018, 06:36:27 pm »

It's just a show.  And it wouldn't even win the award for "Best presentation of awards in the filmic industries".

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« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2018, 06:41:07 pm »
It's just a show.  And it wouldn't even win the award for "Best presentation of awards in the filmic industries".

It's an honour just to be nominated...

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« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2018, 07:15:04 am »
Ugh the Fish **** movie won.

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« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2018, 09:17:43 am »
I had the TV on while I was doing other stuff, so I did catch much of the show.

The highlight was definitely Jimmy Kimmel and a contingent of actors invading the movie theatre across the street to distribute snacks and thank the audience for going to see movies. It was a fun and fresh segment.

The running gag with the jet ski was also a plus. Helen Mirren doing the Price Is Right model thing was a treat.  Apparently she had already won the evening by bombing tequila shooters on the red carpet before the show.

On the down side, the Star Wars cast attempting to do comedy was awkward and cringy.

Harvey Weinstein was mentioned only briefly by name, but the situation that erupted last fall figured large in the evening's events. A segment introduced by Ashley Judd, Salma Hayek, and Annabella Sciorra, three of Weinstein's accusers, featured a great amount of back-patting for increasing diversity in Hollywood, and self-congratulation for creating change. Some of the featured speakers in the segment argued persuasively for the importance of diversity and inclusion and representation.  But the amount of back-patting on display for already fixing things in the industry seemed entirely unwarranted.  Despite lots of face-time for the few women who were actually nominated in male-dominated categories, which would be ... uh, Greta Gerwig and a cinematographer... it was about the same as any other year.

What would probably be the most talked about moment will be Frances McDormand's speech. She was half hysterical with excitement during her speech, but asked all the female nominees to stand up for recognition. Then she said that they all have projects and ideas that need financing, so come talk to us. "Not at the after-party, but in a couple of days in your office."




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« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2018, 02:34:53 pm »
In her introduction of the Best Director nominees, Emma Stone made the myopic comment, “these four men and Greta Gerwig created their own masterpieces.” An opinion piece in Teen Vogue, highlights the boneheadedness of Stone’s tone-deaf comment:

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April Reign, the creator of #OscarsSoWhite, also called Emma out on Twitter. She wrote, "I'm not here for the participation trophies & partial credit some are so eager to give out. Emma Stone made a movie with Woody Allen, played a whitewashed character, and erased the importance of two men of color in a category. But she identified a woman, so.... yay?" April continued in another tweet, "Intersectionality isn't a thing that many white women do well. Emma Stone (and those applauding her) are prime examples."

Winner Guillermo del Toro is a Mexican immigrant. Jordan Peele is only the fifth black person nominated for the honour. In her zeal for activism, Stone made herself look incredibly foolish by not recognizing the importance of intersectionality to feminism these days. Her comments treat women’s equality like a gendered team sport, rather than the complex social issue that it is.

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« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2018, 06:29:18 pm »
In her introduction of the Best Director nominees, Emma Stone made the myopic comment, “these four men and Greta Gerwig created their own masterpieces.” An opinion piece in Teen Vogue, highlights the boneheadedness of Stone’s tone-deaf comment:

Winner Guillermo del Toro is a Mexican immigrant. Jordan Peele is only the fifth black person nominated for the honour. In her zeal for activism, Stone made herself look incredibly foolish by not recognizing the importance of intersectionality to feminism these days. Her comments treat women’s equality like a gendered team sport, rather than the complex social issue that it is.

Because the Oscars are about social justice themes and not rewarding great filmmaking or acting...
Which is why viewership dropped again to hit an all-time low.
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« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2018, 06:50:13 pm »
In her introduction of the Best Director nominees, Emma Stone made the myopic comment, “these four men and Greta Gerwig created their own masterpieces.” An opinion piece in Teen Vogue, highlights the boneheadedness of Stone’s tone-deaf comment:

Winner Guillermo del Toro is a Mexican immigrant. Jordan Peele is only the fifth black person nominated for the honour. In her zeal for activism, Stone made herself look incredibly foolish by not recognizing the importance of intersectionality to feminism these days. Her comments treat women’s equality like a gendered team sport, rather than the complex social issue that it is.

The left eats their own again.  Stone isn't high enough on the victim totem pole for April Reign, she's not just a feminist, but a white feminist!...whose exploitation and tone-deafness and white-washing abounds!  Black women are the true victims you see.

I think Stone was riffing off when Natalie Portman presented the Best Director at the 2018 Golden Globes and Greta Gerwig wasn't nominated when Portman said "And here are the all-male nominees."

I like intersectionality as a group of lenses to analyze social phenomena, but people have turned it into a joke with the victim-ranking and oppressor-ranking stuff.  It's a chance for people to virtue-signal how much more "moral" they are than others, holier-than-thou BS uhhg. If you want to publicly point something out to Stone, do it with a bit of respect.  People use intersectionality to divide us all into competing tribes.
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Re: Oscars 2018: anybody give a crap?
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2018, 06:53:11 pm »
The left eats their own again.  Stone isn't high enough on the victim totem pole for April Reign, she's not just a feminist, but a white feminist!...whose exploitation and tone-deafness and white-washing abounds!  Black women are the true victims you see.


Only a cisgendered white male would say such a thing! Clearly the true victims are lesbian black women!
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