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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2022, 08:46:58 pm »
Theres no actual division between social and economic issues. Also, liberal and conservative are the same product in different packaging. Both exist to uphold the status quo and both will lurch into fascism to protect the interests of capital.

I don't think this reflects ideology much.  For politicians the politics of winning and staying in power mean paying off the people who pay the campaign bills, regardless of ideological leanings.  Also, CNN editors might have political leanings but CNN largely wants to make money.  Money = power.

Also by fascism i assume you mean authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
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« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2022, 09:41:06 am »
I don't think this reflects ideology much.  For politicians the politics of winning and staying in power mean paying off the people who pay the campaign bills, regardless of ideological leanings.  Also, CNN editors might have political leanings but CNN largely wants to make money.  Money = power.

That's an ideology though.

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Also by fascism i assume you mean authoritarianism/totalitarianism.

No I mean specifically right-wing authoritarianism.

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« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2022, 09:21:24 pm »
What matters more is a subjective matter of perspective.  I think economics and culture are both important.  There is no doubt we have been brainwashed by the media economically and socially since birth.

Ok, but even if they were equally important, how much serious discussion happens on the economic side in the mainstream ?

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« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2022, 09:52:40 pm »
Ok, but even if they were equally important, how much serious discussion happens on the economic side in the mainstream ?

I don't disagree with you or anyone who says the media protects the interests of big corps and capital, so fair point.

America is brainwashed on the economic side without a doubt.  Trump and Bernie Sanders wanted to change the neoliberal status quo and the media burned them at the stake, and the old guard within the GOP have wanted to destroy Trump since the beginning, and I doubt it's because he says dumb racist sh!t.  You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization.

So I still say the media mostly leans left socially (most media comes out of NYC and LA, so not surprising) while leaning right economically, because these corps have an interest in the latter as we all seem to agree.  Gay marriage doesn't really affect the bottom line so they're free to push whatever social views they want.
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« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2022, 06:32:46 am »
And identity politics is a stand-in for the more boring and complex discussions we should have.

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« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2022, 07:11:22 am »
You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization..
Again, not just a movie but also a delightful Broadway play. You'd like it. It's cast almost exclusively by white guys, so you know it was based on merit.
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« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2022, 09:49:50 am »
I don't disagree with you or anyone who says the media protects the interests of big corps and capital, so fair point.

America is brainwashed on the economic side without a doubt.  Trump and Bernie Sanders wanted to change the neoliberal status quo and the media burned them at the stake, and the old guard within the GOP have wanted to destroy Trump since the beginning, and I doubt it's because he says dumb racist sh!t.  You're right, Disney isn't going to go out and make a movie about unionization.

So I still say the media mostly leans left socially (most media comes out of NYC and LA, so not surprising) while leaning right economically, because these corps have an interest in the latter as we all seem to agree.  Gay marriage doesn't really affect the bottom line so they're free to push whatever social views they want.


I still maintain the division between social issues and economic ones is arbitrary and allows corporations to make symbolic gestures of support to progressive causes like LGBTQ and BLM while doing nothing to actually make institutional or systemic changes and I suspect you would agree there.

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« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2022, 07:53:57 pm »
Again, not just a movie but also a delightful Broadway play. You'd like it. It's cast almost exclusively by white guys, so you know it was based on merit.

Well this references another problem with diversity hires.  Even if minorities are hired soley on merit some will still assume they aren't.

Obama was elected twice over 2 of the most decent white male (and GOP) politicians of modern times.  And Hillary would have won if she wasn't such a cold crooked crusty hag.  Most Americans probably aren't as racist or sexist as we think, and the ones that are probably aren't going to head companies that install diversity quotas anyways.
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« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2022, 07:58:47 pm »
You don't think, perhaps, the perception that Hillary was a cold, crooked, crusty hag was (just maybe) rooted in misogyny?