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Re: McGregor vs Mayweather
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 09:29:00 am »
Why is this a thing ?  Boxing was ruined and it should stay that way...

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 08:00:30 pm »
Because McGregor wanted to piss off Dana White.

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 11:06:36 pm »
i think it had everything to do with the money
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Re: McGregor vs Mayweather
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2017, 10:52:24 pm »
Props to McGregor for taking this fight...    despite the money, he has cajones for stepping in there. 

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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2017, 07:09:51 am »
Boxing seems to me to be a sport desperate for attention.

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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2017, 11:03:23 am »
Props to McGregor for taking this fight...    despite the money, he has cajones for stepping in there.

Well, he fights for a living.  This time he got a $30 million payday out of it.

It sounds like he exceeded expectations, and even won the early rounds of the fight.

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Re: McGregor vs Mayweather
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2017, 11:55:19 am »
Boxing seems to me to be a sport desperate for attention.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mayweather-mcgregor-fight-toronto-1.4263543?utm_content=buffer1ba54&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

'Not good for boxing.'

You know what's not good for boxing?  Boxing.  Boxing promoters did more to ruin boxing than anything UFC ever did.

One of the things that helps MMA gain popularity and build stars is that the top fighters actually fight each other. Most of the big name MMA fighters come to UFC, where they can earn the most money. And when they get there, they fight other top fighters. It's what builds interest.  On the other hand, in boxing the promoters and managers aren't interested in building the sport, they're interested in building their own fighters until they can cash out. Here is "Kid Joe", who has built a 19-0 record by beating up chumps.  Now that Kid Joe has an impressive-sounding record, maybe he can get a spot on a big fight card, where he'll fight some other promoter's Kid Joe who also compiled a 19-0 record by beating up chumps. It's all just a bunch of manufactured hype, and I think fans see through it. It took years to get a Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao fight negotiated, and that was a rarity because they actually fought. Sometimes they never fight. At UFC the top fighters have to fight other top fighters.

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Boxing has seen a decline in fan support in recent years. Morrison says that's because the sport has no "brutal knockouts." He thinks UFC bouts draw more fans because the sport is bloodier and the fighters deliver more vicious blows to the head.
 

And then there's the actual in-ring product.  Tony says people just want "brutal knockouts".   I don't think Tony has actually watched much MMA, because for every "brutal knockout" there's several minutes of grappling or clinch-work that isn't exactly action-packed. I think one of the reasons people have lost interest in the boxing in-ring product is that it's first off very repetitive and predictable, and also that it's very artificial. By artificial I don't mean that the results are fake, I just mean that it's not really how people actually fight. Boxers throw punches at their opponents head and upper torso, and wrap up each others arms, and the referee comes over and separates them, and they do the same thing again. If somebody gets pushed into the ropes, the referee comes over and separates them, and they do the same thing again. If somebody gets stunned by a heavy shot, the referee will separate them and give the fighter a moment to recover so that he can go get punched in the head some more.  Every time something actually happens in a boxing match, the referee comes in and separates the fighters. I find it incredibly tedious.  Whereas in MMA, if the fighters wrap up each others' arms, or get pushed against the fence, or if somebody gets stung by a heavy punch, that's usually when things start to get more intense.

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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2017, 02:54:31 pm »

And then there's the actual in-ring product.  Tony says people just want "brutal knockouts".   I don't think Tony has actually watched much MMA, because for every "brutal knockout" there's several minutes of grappling or clinch-work that isn't exactly action-packed. I think one of the reasons people have lost interest in the boxing in-ring product is that it's first off very repetitive and predictable, and also that it's very artificial. By artificial I don't mean that the results are fake, I just mean that it's not really how people actually fight. Boxers throw punches at their opponents head and upper torso, and wrap up each others arms, and the referee comes over and separates them, and they do the same thing again. If somebody gets pushed into the ropes, the referee comes over and separates them, and they do the same thing again. If somebody gets stunned by a heavy shot, the referee will separate them and give the fighter a moment to recover so that he can go get punched in the head some more.  Every time something actually happens in a boxing match, the referee comes in and separates the fighters. I find it incredibly tedious.  Whereas in MMA, if the fighters wrap up each others' arms, or get pushed against the fence, or if somebody gets stung by a heavy punch, that's usually when things start to get more intense.

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Different strokes for sure because both my friend and I watching the fight last night were saying the complete opposite.  We prefer watching boxing to UFC because it's a lot more like a sport whereas MMA is more like a street fight.  I went as far as saying the only time I lost interest in watching boxing was during the Mike Tyson era because it was just about brute force and knockouts.  Watching Mayweather box is like watching a figure skater doing a really difficult move whereas watching MMA is like watching a great tackle in football. 

Some of my most enjoyable boxers were the entertainers like Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammed Ali.  There is so much strategy and endurance involved in boxing and it's not necessarily about strength, Mayweather being a perfect example.  MMA is instinct and reaction which is commendable and entertaining but not nearly as much, to me, as boxing.   


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Re: McGregor vs Mayweather
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2017, 03:09:15 pm »
About the fight....

I think McGregor did amazing, way better than I was expecting him to.  I find a lot of criticism today about his style and leaving his face open and looking like a rookie, but I think that was expected, at least from me.  I was totally expecting an unorthodox boxer against a career boxer, which is what I thought would be the biggest allure of the fight and I was not disappointed. 

McGregor dominated the first few rounds and even though he's an amateur boxer he lasted 10 rounds with one of the best in boxing history and until the round before, he was tied in points.  I went in thinking he's going to get his ass handed to him and until the 7th or 8th round I wasn't sure who is going to win.  That in itself is a win in my eyes.

I started off hoping for an upset, but when it became a possibility, I started rooting for Mayweather.  I think Mayweather deserved to have his career end as it did (if he really does retire this time). 

Initially I thought the TKO was called a bit early because there were other instances where I thought McGregor was done but he kept coming back and so I thought maybe he could've recovered from the last one as well; but as they were saying at the end, he hadn't thrown a punch in about a minute, his arms were down and in retrospect I don't think he was coming back from it.

I had read an article criticising the Boxing Association for allowing the fight to even take place because McGregor could get really hurt so I think the ref made the right call stopping it when he did.  In some ways it would remove any doubt for McGregor fans, but his health and the sanctity of the sport is more important.  He really had lost at that point.

Mayweather was a true champ.  He played his strategy beautifully.  The guy really does deserve his ranking, he's one of the best boxers I've ever seen.

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Re: McGregor vs Mayweather
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2017, 09:19:09 am »
Well, he fights for a living.  This time he got a $30 million payday out of it.

It sounds like he exceeded expectations, and even won the early rounds of the fight.

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I think estimates from the gate have him making upwards of $100 Million now. Mayweather around $300 Million.

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Re: McGregor vs Mayweather
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2017, 09:22:06 am »
MMA is more like a street fight.
MMA is absolutely nothing like a street fight.

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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2017, 10:58:51 am »
MMA is absolutely nothing like a street fight.



In the context of my response to kimmy, sure it is. She doesn't like all the rules and ref interference of boxing and I said boxing more like a sport.

There are only a few ways to hit your opponent and your stance is specified. Compare that to UFC where there are so few rules and you can hit and grapple as needed.

In context, MMA is more like a street fight than boxing.  Absolutely.

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Re: McGregor vs Mayweather
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2017, 11:14:52 am »



In the context of my response to kimmy, sure it is. She doesn't like all the rules and ref interference of boxing and I said boxing more like a sport.

There are only a few ways to hit your opponent and your stance is specified. Compare that to UFC where there are so few rules and you can hit and grapple as needed.

In context, MMA is more like a street fight than boxing.  Absolutely.

Interesting.  I've only been following this very casually, but I have a question.  Was the recent fight by boxing rules or MMA rules?  If the former, would the MMA fighter (McGregor?) have fared better or perhaps won if MMA rules had prevailed?
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2017, 01:30:31 pm »
Interesting.  I've only been following this very casually, but I have a question.  Was the recent fight by boxing rules or MMA rules?  If the former, would the MMA fighter (McGregor?) have fared better or perhaps won if MMA rules had prevailed?

They boxed under boxing rules. Mayweather was actually retired but McGregor challenged him to a boxing match so Mayweather came out of retirement for one more fight.

McGregor would definitely win MMA style because Mayweather is a boxer.

McGregor made upward of $75 mil for this fight and he earned $22 mil in 2016 in his MMA career so it's easy to se why he'd challenge the highest paid boxer to come out for a fight.

High profile boxing matches are king earners compared to UFC.
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