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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Sports Culture
« Reply #150 on: October 31, 2023, 09:06:01 am »
Owners and players split all revenue 50/50.

So the players are defacto capitalists... I wouldn't expect that they make the decisions however:

- Doesn't surprise me if they're greedy
- Bad business practices hurt everyone
- Owners and their managers make the decisions, even if the players are on board

Nevertheless I sincerely thank you for teaching me about the revenue split...

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« Reply #151 on: October 31, 2023, 09:11:56 am »
So the players are defacto capitalists... I wouldn't expect that they make the decisions however:

- Doesn't surprise me if they're greedy
- Bad business practices hurt everyone
- Owners and their managers make the decisions, even if the players are on board

Nevertheless I sincerely thank you for teaching me about the revenue split...
I’m not suggesting that the players are greedy at all.  They’re just asking for what they’re worth.  A lot of it is based on supply and demand.  Most of the big revenue generated to sports leagues comes from television deals now.  Concessions in sports are no different than in movie theatres, etc.

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« Reply #152 on: October 31, 2023, 09:13:45 am »
Hockey-related revenue. That doesn't include concessions.
Concession revenue is hockey related revenue.

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« Reply #153 on: October 31, 2023, 09:19:55 am »
Looks like baseball wasn't able to save itself after all?

Game one was the least watched world series ever...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history%3fplatform=amp

Demographics is the thing that people never pay attention to... It creeps up on you and the next thing you know there's some huge cultural change but nobody really cares.

I've enjoyed the World Series so far, but it is certainly the case that I haven't watched more than a handful of regular season games for years.

I think it's just that the choice is far greater than it ever was.  I can now watch live soccer from Europe and with a VPN, Cricket too.  Baseball drops back in the lineup.

People can stream whatever they want, when ever they want.  Any show.  Not just sports.

Also, patience isn't what it used to be.  Baseball takes a little patience.  I like to do a sudoku at the same time.
 

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« Reply #154 on: October 31, 2023, 09:46:05 am »
Looks like baseball wasn't able to save itself after all?

Game one was the least watched world series ever...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history%3fplatform=amp

Demographics is the thing that people never pay attention to... It creeps up on you and the next thing you know there's some huge cultural change but nobody really cares.

Baseball's popularity has been in decline for over 40 years.  In fact, the NBA has pretty much surpassed the MLB in popularity.  The MLB is lucky to get 1/3 of the World Series ratings they were pulling in during the early 80s.
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« Reply #155 on: October 31, 2023, 09:49:17 am »
I went to a Bomber game earlier this year and, while the place was packed, everybody seemed to have grey hair or at least 100 extra pounds on them. So we'll see who's still around in five years

I remember it being like that at Winnipeg Stadium, when I had season tickets throughout the 80s and early 90s. Mind you, I sat on the West Side, which traditionally was the quieter grandstand.

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« Reply #156 on: October 31, 2023, 10:30:51 am »
Looks like baseball wasn't able to save itself after all?

Game one was the least watched world series ever...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38782354/game-1-least-watched-world-series-game-recorded-history%3fplatform=amp

Demographics is the thing that people never pay attention to... It creeps up on you and the next thing you know there's some huge cultural change but nobody really cares.

It's more about the markets involved, it would be a different story if it was, say, the Dodgers vs Yankees.
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« Reply #157 on: October 31, 2023, 10:58:27 am »
It's more about the markets involved, it would be a different story if it was, say, the Dodgers vs Yankees.

The Boston Red Sox vs the LA Dodgers only had an average rating of 8.3, despite being two of the most beloved teams in baseball in 2018.  Compare that with the 28.6 rating that was tuned into the Boston Red Sox vs the NY Mets in 1986.

Baseball just is not as big as it once was.

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« Reply #158 on: October 31, 2023, 11:29:11 am »
The Boston Red Sox vs the LA Dodgers only had an average rating of 8.3, despite being two of the most beloved teams in baseball in 2018.  Compare that with the 28.6 rating that was tuned into the Boston Red Sox vs the NY Mets in 1986.

Baseball just is not as big as it once was.


Both things can be true: this is a bad matchup for ratings and baseball isn't as popular as it used to be.

Also a factor: fewer people watch TV on TV than they used to.

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« Reply #159 on: October 31, 2023, 11:53:28 am »
Covid and inflation have driven up the price of everything. You also have to remember that two years ago, hockey and some other sports went a whole year with no gate or concession revenues. The players still played and were paid.
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« Reply #160 on: November 01, 2023, 09:03:50 am »
Both things can be true: this is a bad matchup for ratings and baseball isn't as popular as it used to be.

Also a factor: fewer people watch TV on TV than they used to.

Those ratings are a percentage of households tuned into the game, so they technically should be the same as decades ago. If we look at actual numbers, World Series ratings have gone from roughly 30 million in the first half of the 80s to 8.5 million today.  The ratings for the 2023 World Series are at historic lows, and are only slightly above what Stanley Cup Final games draw in the United States.

Texas is in firm control of the series 3-1, and could wrap up the series today.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Sports Culture
« Reply #161 on: November 01, 2023, 11:11:50 am »
Covid and inflation have driven up the price of everything. You also have to remember that two years ago, hockey and some other sports went a whole year with no gate or concession revenues. The players still played and were paid.

Around the time the Leafs went to the ACC the ticket price became insane.  Wealthy people pay money to keep a seat empty it seems....