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Offline kimmy

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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2019, 06:48:45 pm »
You are a verified L... stand up for your brothers, sisters and xisters...

I used to feel like part of the team, but now I've discovered I'm actually a privileged white cis oppressor. I'm actually okay with it.  Being on the top is kind of exciting. I feel empowered.

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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2019, 07:14:44 pm »
It's 2SLGBTQ+ you effing colonial homphobe!

Queer, Trans, Intersex, Black and People of Colour (QTIBPOC) is now where it's at.  Us cis white homos have to stand at the back with the straight people.

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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2019, 07:42:46 pm »
It's 2SLGBTQ+ you effing colonial homphobe!

I feel LGBTQ2SIAPWTF+ is so disjointed as to have no common purpose or meaning.

Q-- "queer" is meaningless.

2S-- "two spirit" is basically just indigenous gay people.  "two spirit" was coined by a white guy named Harry Hay, who was a gay activist and counter-culture weirdo, not an anthropologist or historian.  The scholarship behind the claim that "two spirit" people were ever revered by any indigenous cultures is pretty sketchy.

I-- "intersex" is a physical anomaly, not a sexual orientation.

A-- "asexual" is a sexual orientation in the same way that "atheism" is a religion or "off" is a TV channel.

P-- "pansexual" is a sexual orientation in the same sense that "whatever!" is a TV channel.  A pansexual is a bisexual who thinks there are more than two sexes.

There's really just LGB, and T.  L, G, B are sexual orientations, and T is the notion that sexual orientation is fake and gender is real. I don't see much common ground there.  I see increasingly less common ground as lesbians are shamed, threatened, harrassed, doxxed, and even beaten up for not wanting "girl dick" in their lives.

Get the L out!

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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2019, 07:46:32 pm »
I feel LGBTQ2SIAPWTF+ is so disjointed as to have no common purpose or meaning.

Q-- "queer" is meaningless.

2S-- "two spirit" is basically just indigenous gay people.  "two spirit" was coined by a white guy named Harry Hay, who was a gay activist and counter-culture weirdo, not an anthropologist or historian.  The scholarship behind the claim that "two spirit" people were ever revered by any indigenous cultures is pretty sketchy.

I-- "intersex" is a physical anomaly, not a sexual orientation.

A-- "asexual" is a sexual orientation in the same way that "atheism" is a religion or "off" is a TV channel.

P-- "pansexual" is a sexual orientation in the same sense that "whatever!" is a TV channel.  A pansexual is a bisexual who thinks there are more than two sexes.

There's really just LGB, and T.  L, G, B are sexual orientations, and T is the notion that sexual orientation is fake and gender is real. I don't see much common ground there.  I see increasingly less common ground as lesbians are shamed, threatened, harrassed, doxxed, and even beaten up for not wanting "girl dick" in their lives.

Get the L out!

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Being gay myself, I have to say, this whole abbreviation thing is getting out of control. Why not call it the Q or Q+ community for short? How about the "Q Continuum" for us Star Trek fans?
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2019, 07:57:32 pm »
Got to admit, it makes my eyes roll. It's just too hard to take seriously, it looks like a computer generated password. It has eight characters, the only thing missing is one lower case letter.
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2019, 08:00:13 pm »
Got to admit, it makes my eyes roll. It's just too hard to take seriously, it looks like a computer generated password. It has eight characters, the only thing missing is one lower case letter.

And perhaps a digit or two.....

I mean the numerical type.

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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2019, 08:07:55 pm »
And perhaps a digit or two.....

I mean the numerical type.

Most passwords require a minimum of one number, one symbol, one upper, one lower case letter and a minimum of eight characters. The only thing missing is the one lower case letter.
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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2019, 08:42:04 pm »
Most passwords require a minimum of one number, one symbol, one upper, one lower case letter and a minimum of eight characters. The only thing missing is the one lower case letter.

I was rolling my eyes as well.

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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2019, 08:33:29 am »
I feel LGBTQ2SIAPWTF+ is so disjointed as to have no common purpose or meaning.

Q-- "queer" is meaningless.

2S-- "two spirit" is basically just indigenous gay people.  "two spirit" was coined by a white guy named Harry Hay, who was a gay activist and counter-culture weirdo, not an anthropologist or historian.  The scholarship behind the claim that "two spirit" people were ever revered by any indigenous cultures is pretty sketchy.

I-- "intersex" is a physical anomaly, not a sexual orientation.

A-- "asexual" is a sexual orientation in the same way that "atheism" is a religion or "off" is a TV channel.

P-- "pansexual" is a sexual orientation in the same sense that "whatever!" is a TV channel.  A pansexual is a bisexual who thinks there are more than two sexes.

There's really just LGB, and T.  L, G, B are sexual orientations, and T is the notion that sexual orientation is fake and gender is real. I don't see much common ground there.  I see increasingly less common ground as lesbians are shamed, threatened, harrassed, doxxed, and even beaten up for not wanting "girl dick" in their lives.

Get the L out!

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Your transphobia is pretty disgusting, but hey...you do you. Your posts to trans people are what Argus's posts are to immigrants. You're generally reasonable about all things, but as soon as someone doesn't fit your idea of gender conformity/normativity, you lose all rationality. In fact, the more I read your posts about trans people, the more it looks a lot like "separate but equal" nonsense that racists were spouting during the Jim Crow Era. It reads exactly like that kind of hedging. "I don't hate trans people. I have trans friends. I just don't see them as part of the LGB community." You seriously hate trans people and gender queers so much that you refuse to recognize their place in the community and consequently deny pansexuals their orientation as well. It's pretty **** up and so beneath you....or at least what i guess was my mistaken impression of you.
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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2019, 08:57:28 am »
Your transphobia is pretty disgusting, but hey...you do you. Your posts to trans people are what Argus's posts are to immigrants. You're generally reasonable about all things, but as soon as someone doesn't fit your idea of gender conformity/normativity, you lose all rationality. In fact, the more I read your posts about trans people, the more it looks a lot like "separate but equal" nonsense that racists were spouting during the Jim Crow Era. It reads exactly like that kind of hedging. "I don't hate trans people. I have trans friends. I just don't see them as part of the LGB community." You seriously hate trans people and gender queers so much that you refuse to recognize their place in the community and consequently deny pansexuals their orientation as well. It's pretty **** up and so beneath you....or at least what i guess was my mistaken impression of you.

now, now...no need for personal attacks.
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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2019, 03:20:44 am »
Your transphobia is pretty disgusting, but hey...you do you. Your posts to trans people are what Argus's posts are to immigrants.

I used to care, but I just can't anymore. A few years ago when people were fighting against "bathroom bills" I was all on board. And now every day I read about some new idiocy that just makes me want to puke. Transwomen winning medals in weightlifting and track and field. Rapists and murderers declaring themselves female and getting transferred to women's prisons. Some anime-obsessed cat-girl weeaboo telling lesbians they're transphobic for not wanting to suck her "girl-dick".  Some transwoman joining an endometriosis support group to police people's pronouns and remind everybody that not all women have a uterus.  Eradicating any meaning from the word "woman" to redefine it as  some vague notion or feeling.  I just can't stand it anymore.  At this point, being called transphobic just means I'm in good company.


. You're generally reasonable about all things, but as soon as someone doesn't fit your idea of gender conformity/normativity, you lose all rationality.

I'm gender non-conforming myself.  My circle of friends and acquaintances is full of gender non-conforming people-- including butch lesbians, effeminate gay men, and people of both sexes who present themselves androgynously in  varying degress.  I'm very much in favor of gender non-conformity. What myself and the gender non-conforming people I know all have in common is that none of us are under the impression that our gender expression changes the fact that we're still women and men.

"non-binary" is a self-contradictory concept, because a gender binary doesn't exist in our society. I've never seen any non-binary person explain their gender identity without referencing harmful stereotypes.    The latest thing I've seen is "non-binary lesbians". That's an oxymoron. Imagine the mental gymnastics required to explain yourself as non-binary, but also a gay woman.

In fact, the more I read your posts about trans people, the more it looks a lot like "separate but equal" nonsense that racists were spouting during the Jim Crow Era.

Trans activists always try to draw this parallel, and it never works. Because race isn't sex.  Racial discrimination has been struck down over and over again, while sex-based protections for women and girls have been upheld over and over again.

  It reads exactly like that kind of hedging. "I don't hate trans people. I have trans friends. I just don't see them as part of the LGB community." You seriously hate trans people and gender queers so much that you refuse to recognize their place in the community and consequently deny pansexuals their orientation as well.

We're at the point now that the linked-Venus symbol that was the widely-recognized emblem for lesbians has been banned from some Pride events because it's considered "transphobic", and the "Dyke March" is being run by transwomen.  Gay organizations and gay media outlets are run by gay men and transwomen; gay women are an afterthought in all of this. Female people are non-existent in leadership in the  Look at the events that got Edmonton Pride cancelled last summer: black women with dicks fighting with white men with dicks.  Misogyny and chauvinism has been a problem for the gay community since day one, and it hasn't changed.

I'm not represented in that community, and I guess I never was.  It's going to burn itself to the ground before much longer, and I'll be glad when it does.


It's pretty **** up and so beneath you....or at least what i guess was my mistaken impression of you.

I figured. When you stop drinking the Kool-Aid the rest of the cult turns against you.

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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2019, 12:19:18 am »
I get the impression that a lot of people are still confused about divisions forming within the LGBTQ2SIAWTF+ "community". Why is there conflict? Aren't we a big happy family?

Well, not so much. On the inside, conversations like this are happening. To set the stage, this is a PSA for members of a trans-inclusive Facebook group for lesbians.  Trans-inclusive lesbian groups have apparently started using the word "Sapphic" because some people feel that "lesbian" sounds too TERFish.   Anyway, they politely asked their members to be more trans-positive by finding alternative ways to say "I'm not into chicks with dicks", and instead got mansplained.  Or Ma'amsplained, as it were.  Here's how that went:




Where are the vag1na-repulsed lesbians?  Where are the pen1s-repulsed gay men?  Where are the vegetable-repulsed vegans?

Gay women are told that there's something wrong with them if they're not interested in having sex with pen1s-people. We need to overcome our aversion to pen1s, perhaps through "therapy", so that we can be "converted", so to speak, into pen1s-positive people.

If this was coming from Jason Kenney types, people would easily recognize it for what it is: homophobia.

But because it's coming from a trans person, woke people think this is "progressive."

Woke people are too god-damned stupid to recognize homophobia if it's not coming from far-right knuckle-draggers.

It used to be that conservatives wanted lesbians to get over our aversion to pen1s, while progressives and the gay rights movement supported our right to live as we wish.  Now conservatives support lesbians living as we wish, while progressives and the GBTQ community want us to get over our aversion to pen1s. Progressives and our own supposed LGBT community have stabbed us in the back and thrown us under the bus. Woke people are garbage.





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Re: LGBTQ Culture
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2019, 06:37:26 am »
Is it coming from a trans person ?  Who is posting this ?

It seems like there's a discussion to be had.  So have it.  Someone has made a suggestion for how to look at such things, so give a response.

"Woke people are garbage" means you have given up on a resolution and are just going to fight, not helpful.

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2019, 11:26:22 am »
There's a difference between women and trans women that people need to acknowledge.  They're not the same, they have a different biology.  It's fine to be attracted to one and not the other or vice versa.
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2019, 11:52:42 am »
People now have to be "re-educated" to straighten out their dong preferences? Sounds a hell of a lot like conversion therapy to me.

I had to use dong because the auto censor doesn't allow the P word.
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